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    I got a Bluto and built a new front wheel with a used rim for about $820. 15% coupon off at universal cycles.

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    Bluto with remote lockout $711.00 wheel build with FAT-SNO hub, about $275.00. Now just waiting for bike to arrive in the next 2 weeks.

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    Re: FatBoy with Bluto?

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    I took it on a lap on the pump track it felt good, though a bit stiff at 100psi, I dropped some air to 90psi, we'll see how that goes. I'm 170 or so without my pack on.

    I took my first ride at 80psi, below the recommendation on the fork. I'm 155lbs plus gear... and with 80psi felt like i could go lower still.

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    Bluto $643 plus salsa hub $125 (minus discounts). Luckily salsa hub has very similar dimensions to original hub flange so I could rebuild wheel with original spokes and nipples. Oh and a few bucks for a longer brake line, don't forget that or project will have delay.

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    This is on ebay this morning. Hub included for $643
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    I took my Fatboy with Bluto out on a "real" ride today - up until now I've only taken it out on solo rides at the local place that's mostly non-technical. Today I went to a place that's highly technical on a ride with one other guy who rides pretty fast. In the past with the Fatboy I had to slow down on the technical stuff, today it felt a lot more like riding any other mountain bike, I charged into rock gardens, boosted air and generally had a great time. Definitely a game changer - it was a blast and I had no problem keeping this guy behind me today. I don't have any problem keeping him behind me on my Niner, but I honestly think I was riding about as fast as I can on my RIP9.

    I have a bash guard on the bike and had to take off the front derailleur for it to fit, I need fix that - I dropped my chain to the granny 4 or 5 times throughout the ride. I guess that's not so bad, but I think I'm going to put a narrow/wide ring on so I don't drop the chain.

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    I don't want to spam, my local LBS in Anaheim Hills is installing a Bluto 80mm for me, and scheduling a setup time to dial it it. It includes all the other bits back, and it becomes part of the lifetime warranty on my Fatboy. it's $900, but after buying 3 bikes from these boys, I know they will take care of everything until it is where I want it. 900 may be more than some want to pay, but for turn key in socal, it may be what you want. If you want any info, PM me. Cheers,
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    Re: FatBoy with Bluto?

    I just ordered a 100mm bluto + salsa hub for my fatboy. Damn, someone stop the bleeding!

    I'm still having a hard time tearing down the original wheel. Does anyone anticipate going back to the rigid fork periodically? In the winter maybe? Are suspensions still desirable in snow riding?

    I could see using the rigid fork + 90mm stock wheels with bud and lou in the winter. Then build up some 80mm darryls for summer + bluto. But I'm not sure I have budget or space for an extra set of fat wheels.

    Is the bluto lockout a true lockout? Maybe that's enough should I desire to rid myself of bounce?

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    I am going to put my rigid for for winter and long gravel rides, I find Blutos lock out not to be real solid.

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    Re: FatBoy with Bluto?

    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    I just ordered a 100mm bluto + salsa hub for my fatboy. Damn, someone stop the bleeding!

    I'm still having a hard time tearing down the original wheel. Does anyone anticipate going back to the rigid fork periodically? In the winter maybe? Are suspensions still desirable in snow riding?

    I could see using the rigid fork + 90mm stock wheels with bud and lou in the winter. Then build up some 80mm darryls for summer + bluto. But I'm not sure I have budget or space for an extra set of fat wheels.

    Is the bluto lockout a true lockout? Maybe that's enough should I desire to rid myself of bounce?
    I thought long and hard about the wheel and decision on doing a new wheel or rebuilding old rim. It came down to 1):cost and 2) deciding I wouldn't go back to rigid. If I decide to go back to rigid some day I'll build another wheel with old stock hub.

    With salsa hub I reused spokes and nipples and rim and fit perfectly. A new surly wheel was going to be too much money and what the heck was I going to do with the other old wheel besides let it just sit in my basement. I also didn't like mixing rim widths. The spec rim is 90mm and I'd have to switch to 80 or 100 with other rims.

    That was decision to just reuse rim and save a few bucks. I won't go back to rigid after riding bluto! Even last winter on some boot pack that was bumpy I was longing for a shock!

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    Re: FatBoy with Bluto?

    Thanks bdundee and Hans.

    I really have no space for extra wheels and don't want to pump more money into this so I'm going to go with Hans strategy and tear the old one down. I have a feeling I'll appreciate the squish in the snow too.

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    I built a new wheel, figuring I'd swap back for winter. Who knows if that will be the case. I found a used rim locally (an mtbrer).

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    That's why I went with a Hope hub and my special conversion kit so I could use the same wheel on both types of forks. I wouldn't want an extra wheel or the cost either.

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    I also converted the stock wheel. After 5 minutes with a Bluto no way I will ever go back to rigid. I havent measured the HT angle yet, but with the 120mm fork it feels really nice. More like a trail bike than a slow cruiser bike.
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    Dang, I woke up last night and realized I should have thought this through better. I was thinking that I needed a new wheel since my Specialized hub couldn't be converted. I should have just bought a Hope hub and bought those end caps. I could have done everything with one wheel. doh! I was thinking since I didn't have a Hope hub, I might as well build a new wheel.

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    The specialized hub cant be converted. I should have said that I swapped the hub put used the stock rim. I went with the Origin 8 hub. It's the cheapest option out I've found.
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    Right. I could have just swapped the Specialized hub for a Hope and bought the end caps, one wheel, both configurations, instead I bought a Salsa hub, used rim and new spokes. Oh well, live and learn. I guess if I end up not wanting to go back to rigid, I can sell the fork and the wheel together as a set.

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    or buy a cheap frame and build a second bike for your lady friend!
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    hmmm, or a second super light bike for me (my wife won't ride if the temps get below freezing), but hmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trudo View Post
    How much for the Bluto? How much for a wheel?
    My LBS did the Bluto, Salsa Hub, wheel build and provided all the bits for $900. You can do it a bit cheaper, but they did it turn key including setting up the suspension with me. It also is now part of my long term warranty, so I am very pleased, and once you ride a fatboy with FS, you will be amazed at how well they work, cant believe they did not start this way.

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    Re: FatBoy with Bluto?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    Dang, I woke up last night and realized I should have thought this through better. I was thinking that I needed a new wheel since my Specialized hub couldn't be converted. I should have just bought a Hope hub and bought those end caps. I could have done everything with one wheel. doh! I was thinking since I didn't have a Hope hub, I might as well build a new wheel.
    Oh now I get it!!

    I discounted the hope hub because I don't have a thru axle fork on the Fatboy. But the frigging hope hub can do it all with end caps can't it. Hmmmmmmm!

    How much of a pain is it to take the wheel on and off with those extenders and a thru axle? It's a long story but I have to put the wheel on and off 3 times each time I ride. (between fitting it in the car and also storage.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    Right. I could have just swapped the Specialized hub for a Hope and bought the end caps, one wheel, both configurations, instead I bought a Salsa hub, used rim and new spokes. Oh well, live and learn. I guess if I end up not wanting to go back to rigid, I can sell the fork and the wheel together as a set.
    I don't know. I haven't built yet and I'm torn. On one hand, it might be nice to be able to go back and forth quickly.

    But unless you plan on doing that, do you really want spacers in there? The simplicity of purpose-built parts is fun too. The spacers must make it less stiff, and possibly put more stresses on the hub/axle, I'd think? And also be a little more of a pain every time you take the wheel on and off.

    What are the odds I'm really going to switch back and forth between the bluto and a rigid fork? Hmmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    I don't know. I haven't built yet and I'm torn. On one hand, it might be nice to be able to go back and forth quickly.

    But unless you plan on doing that, do you really want spacers in there? The simplicity of purpose-built parts is fun too. The spacers must make it less stiff, and possibly put more stresses on the hub/axle, I'd think? And also be a little more of a pain every time you take the wheel on and off.

    What are the odds I'm really going to switch back and forth between the bluto and a rigid fork? Hmmmm.
    They are not really spacers but new end caps all together and it makes no difference when changing a wheels. The spacing difference is only 7.5mm on each side if you go with the Hauck stolen idea spacers (still bitter over that) which is only .29 inches and I doubt you will feel any flex in that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    it makes no difference when changing a wheels.
    The spacers stick in the hub nicely? You're getting close to convincing me!

    Hauck stolen idea spacers (still bitter over that)
    Hah. Did they really get the idea from you, or was it "co-invented"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    They are not really spacers but new end caps all together and it makes no difference when changing a wheels. The spacing difference is only 7.5mm on each side if you go with the Hauck stolen idea spacers (still bitter over that) which is only .29 inches and I doubt you will feel any flex in that.
    How does it handle the disk brake location when you swap? Doesn't the disk have to move outwards relative to center of the hub? Or do you put spacers on caliper to move it inwards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    The spacers stick in the hub nicely? You're getting close to convincing me!



    Hah. Did they really get the idea from you, or was it "co-invented"?
    Yes they go in the hub and you can't tell them from the factory ones once installed except for being a little longer.
    No it was my idea and mine alone. I started this the day Bluto was announced
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    Bluto + Hope 135 Hub hack.
    Plus there is a bunch of other threads where I discussed it in here and on Facebook. Actually I am honored he used my idea I am just pissed he totally ignored me on Facebook and he used the word booya, who even says that anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by hans2vt View Post
    How does it handle the disk brake location when you swap? Doesn't the disk have to move outwards relative to center of the hub? Or do you put spacers on caliper to move it inwards?
    I used the White Brothers adapter and so do they, it moves it over about 5mm and with a little file work you can get a couple more mm. The Hauck kit comes with the adapter and the holes are already made longer. You do need to run a 180mm rotor with the WB adapter though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    I guess if I end up not wanting to go back to rigid, I can sell the fork and the wheel together as a set.
    This was my thinking. I wanted to trial the Bluto with as little cash commitment as possible, so the Origin8 hub was the ticket. Used HRD rim, new spokes. I figured if I keep the bluto, I could sell the fork and front wheel together, or if I sell the FatBoy, I'd be able to keep the bluto and wheel and build up around another frame. Building the wheel cost less than $200 and created the most options down the line for the least amount of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alshead View Post
    Building the wheel cost less than $200 and created the most options down the line for the least amount of money.
    Ok, now I feel better.

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    bdundee, is there a caliper adapter that will allow me to run a 200mm rotor and a 9Zero7 front hub? I can whip up axle spacers.
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    Anyone sell the stock carbon fork? I'm curious what the going rate on them is. It is a beautiful fork but i there is no way I'l swap back to it.
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    Bluto first run

    I took my fatboy out for its tuning run today, first off, it is a game changer for the trails I ride, and I have barely got the setup scoped out. I have sag and basic rebound done, but their is more to do, but it is very different and on the rougher trails adds much confidence that I used to rely on the tires alone to provide. I ran a bit more pressure as I had suspension and liked the rolling improvement. There are many trails along the Santa Ana River, also some "cultural opportunities" shown here, still a very good ride, with a mix of just about everything you want.
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    Will someone please tell me the bluto sucks and save my money! I now have a full XT fatboy with 1x10 race face/wolftooth, carbon bars, seat post, seat. The last piece to the puzzle BLUTO!!!!! But the $$$$$ do I really want to have a $3500 fatboy? The reviews are killing me!!! Come on christmas bonus! If I charge that my wife is really going to flip! She did just buy a $400 blender?hummm? $650 for suspension fork seems like a good deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgt View Post
    Will someone please tell me the bluto sucks
    A year ago I was swearing up and down fat bikes don't need suspension for myself anyways and was wrong. I really like having it but will be taking it off as soon as the snow flies. Oh and $3500 is nothing to have in a fat bike

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    Sorry,
    The bluto makes a different bike out of the fatboy and opens up its capabilities substantially.... Of course, I only have two days and ~60 miles on mine, but over my same trails and climbs, it is a different bike...
    YMMV
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    Re: FatBoy with Bluto?

    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I really like having it but will be taking it off as soon as the snow flies.
    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    Why?
    I don't really want to deal with the extreme cold and a suspension fork plus all the winter slop. That and I have a beautiful carbon fork just waiting for some playing time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I don't really want to deal with the extreme cold and a suspension fork plus all the winter slop. That and I have a beautiful carbon fork just waiting for some playing time.
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    Got it. Man I keep changing my mind on my wheel plan. Now I'm debating carbon summer rims. Noooooo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I don't really want to deal with the extreme cold and a suspension fork plus all the winter slop. That and I have a beautiful carbon fork just waiting for some playing time.
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    Yeah, winter slop is no good. I usually only ride in the winter when things are frozen solid, my fat boy was clean all winter thru april, when things thawed I didn't ride mostly because it would destroy the snow pack single track. Vermont winters are cold enough and no big elevation factor on things being warm low and cold up high.

    I am wondering about the cold impact on the fork, but last winter I wished for suspension to soak up the frozen bumps from boot tracks.

    Bluto and no looking back to rigid. Unless I change my mind and build up a wheel on the old hub. Ha!

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    Out here we ride in the wet/mud 8 months out of the year here and I've never had any suspension issues do to the mud or cold. As long as you change your seals/oil every 6-12 months your fine.

    When I first got my Fatboy I was amazed by the front wheel traction in all conditions. With the Bluto that traction is on a whole other level. There is no bouncing of the tire, just crazy grip as the fork eats up the bumps and the tire follows the terrain. It has taken my fatboy from occasional cruiser to the bike I'm starting to choose for most rides.
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    I got my 100mm Bluto, 1.5" bearing race, and Salsa 15mm thru-axle hub here ready to be installed.
    Now I am thinking that being able to swap between the 15mm and QR could really come in handy. Dammit you guys!

    Does anyone happen to have the Hope hub and adapter part numbers handy? Thanks!

    If I can't return it I might have a brand-new still in the box Salsa hub for sale soon.

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    I just found OUT the Black 32mm bottomless tokens wont be available until the of August. Sucks we have to wait so long!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Lynch View Post
    I just found OUT the Black 32mm bottomless tokens wont be available until the of August. Sucks we have to wait so long!
    Dude... It's like three weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    Dude... It's like three weeks.

    LOL I agree these guys are out of control!Never mind tokens...I haven't even ordered my fork yet!LOL

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    3 weeks is like 6 months in bike years during the summer! That's atleast 8 rides!
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    Well, you guys got me! Just ordered the bluto along with new XT breaks. Hope hub. Race. Thanks to all the helpful posts and thanks to Jenson for the 20% off. Can't wait!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Lynch View Post
    3 weeks is like 6 months in bike years during the summer! That's atleast 8 rides!
    More like 18 rides

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    $28 from Universal
    Hi, are you saying the air shaft can be had for $28 from universal, I went 80mm and want to go 100mm. I have don't many motorcycle forks so these don't bother me, just identifying the parts to take my 80mm Bluto to 100mm, if you have any input it is truly appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    The spacers must make it less stiff, and possibly put more stresses on the hub/axle, I'd think? And also be a little more of a pain every time you take the wheel on and off.
    After receiving my Bluto and seeing how stiff the axle is, I'm less concerned about the spacers and flex. That thing is solid!

    And for what it's worth, I'm might return my Salsa hub pending the feedback I receive in this thread about the strange spoke line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father Guzzi Obrian View Post
    Hi, are you saying the air shaft can be had for $28 from universal, I went 80mm and want to go 100mm. I have don't many motorcycle forks so these don't bother me, just identifying the parts to take my 80mm Bluto to 100mm, if you have any input it is truly appreciated.
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