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    Now whats the word with the lower bearing on the headtube. Can someone explain why we need that for bluto? Doesnt the bike have one in the flush setup? Another user recommended to get a cane creek lower race to remedy the issue. Im just curious why.

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    ^not totally sure what you're alluding to, but if you get a bluto, you need a new crown race- not a new bearing, just a race. The race on the stock carbon fork is "built in" to the fork and can't be removed. I went to my LBS and picked up an FSA crown race for a tapered fork (campy style)- they had one in a drawer and got it for less than $10 I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alshead View Post
    ^not totally sure what you're alluding to, but if you get a bluto, you need a new crown race- not a new bearing, just a race. The race on the stock carbon fork is "built in" to the fork and can't be removed. I went to my LBS and picked up an FSA crown race for a tapered fork (campy style)- they had one in a drawer and got it for less than $10 I think.
    I worded that all wrong didn't I.... Lmao. Thanks for the clarification. Noob learning here lol

    LBS got a cane creek race for the bluto swap. Thanks.

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    So reading some of the last posts I'm confused. I've got a FatBoy, I've got a Bluto, but have not made the swap yet.

    Was just planning on taking the race off the FatBoy fork and putting on the Bluto, but sounds like the fork has the race built in.

    A call to FSA did not help and I've got a part number that is wrong or doesn't exist. Google hasn't helped.

    Will a Cane Creek 1.5 crown race work fine?

    Can someone point me to an online source where I can quickly buy whatever I need?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJones View Post
    So reading some of the last posts I'm confused. I've got a FatBoy, I've got a Bluto, but have not made the swap yet.

    Was just planning on taking the race off the FatBoy fork and putting on the Bluto, but sounds like the fork has the race built in.

    A call to FSA did not help and I've got a part number that is wrong or doesn't exist. Google hasn't helped.

    Will a Cane Creek 1.5 crown race work fine?

    Can someone point me to an online source where I can quickly buy whatever I need?

    Thanks!
    Hi,

    i just got a FSA Orbit 1.5 ZS 45° # H6088, aluminum black.

    It just looks like the race build in the Fact Carbon fork.

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    Wow so you guys did 100mm! I was going to comply with the specialized recommendation for 80mm but now I'm wondering whether its advice that is supposed to be ignored. I'd much prefer 100mm but I was concerned geometry is too messed up.

    What is the axle to crown length on the 100 with and without some sag? Can one of you with the 100 do that measurement for me?

    If I measured right the stock fork is about 18.5".

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    I'm trying to decide between the 100 or 120 model. I had an 80 but sold it. I'd prefer to slacken it out a tad and run wider bars and a shorter stem. I'm leaning 120.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Lynch View Post
    I'm trying to decide between the 100 or 120 model. I had an 80 but sold it. I'd prefer to slacken it out a tad and run wider bars and a shorter stem. I'm leaning 120.
    Might as well go 120 and lower it if needed.

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    If the Bluto is like the other newer RS forks, you need to change the airspring to lower it. Not as easy as dropping in a spacer anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Lynch View Post
    If the Bluto is like the other newer RS forks, you need to change the airspring to lower it. Not as easy as dropping in a spacer anymore.
    I'm sorry I thought this was the fat forum where we are not afraid to get our hands dirty
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    So if you get the 100mm you can't just change the air shaft to get it to 120? I'm 2 maybe 3 more positive reviews from going there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    So if you get the 100mm you can't just change the air shaft to get it to 120? I'm 2 maybe 3 more positive reviews from going there.
    This I don't know, in the past with most other forks no but this one could be different.

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    I picked up a 100. Figured I can always pull it back if need be. But i have a feeling it will be perfectly fine. Next week we should be on it. Waiting for a few more parts. I'll report once shes all back together.

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    Looking forward to your review evercycling.

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    If the review is positive, please find a way to block it from my view. :-D

    If you could post your parts list that would be helpful (or hurtful depending on if you're me or my checkbook).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    If the review is positive, please find a way to block it from my view. :-D

    If you could post your parts list that would be helpful (or hurtful depending on if you're me or my checkbook).
    Haha. Lol. Ill make sure to block ya. Lmao


    So far here is next weeks parts install


    Rockshox Bluto 100mm black
    I9 front hub for bluto with adapter blue
    Cane creek race
    Truvative Noir T40 CF handles 30mm rise blue
    Niner CF RDO seatpost blue
    Tape Tubeless setup with yellow pvc rim tape

    Only thing left for now is pedals which im having a real hard time choosing.

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    I dont mind the labor, it's the $100 cost of the air shaft to make it happen I'd like to avoid. Would rather but that money toward a Growler holder for the frame!
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    everycycling - I presume from the fact there is no rim in your parts list you are using the Specialized rim on the new build? I think if I go this route I will look to build a brand new wheel so I can easily swap from suspended to rigid.

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    Specialized has the Fatboy rim listed on the parts site, but no price or inventory listed yet. It would be nice to be able to buy one and build a matching rim for people that want to swap forks back and forth.
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    I was just thinking that, have to call a dealer and see if its possible to buy the rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    everycycling - I presume from the fact there is no rim in your parts list you are using the Specialized rim on the new build? I think if I go this route I will look to build a brand new wheel so I can easily swap from suspended to rigid.
    Yeah for right now Im just going to stick to suspended and feel it out. I will definitely build out another wheel later and attach the rigid fork and just swap whenever I feel like it.

    I did get the remote lockout for the BLUTO so we'll see how that goes.

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    That's a good idea, spread the spend out by buying a rim later. Although then you have to leave two rims. Hmmmm

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    Why 2? Im just going to use the old hub and will have to get 1 rim, rim tape, spokes & tire.

    Im just swapping the front at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Lynch View Post
    I dont mind the labor, it's the $100 cost of the air shaft to make it happen I'd like to avoid. Would rather but that money toward a Growler holder for the frame!
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    ok, So I'm minutes away from the 100mm and a salsa hub purchase... either I'll build a new wheel or rebuild the old specialized rim.

    Anyone have axle to crown dimension on bluto?

    I found...
    511 A2C - 100mm
    491 A2C - 80mm

    here
    http://salsacycles.com/files/tech/Ro...structions.pdf


    thoughts on hub too?
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    * 226 grams without skewer; 291 grams w/ skewer

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    ah ha confirmed a2c here
    Bluto fork clearance pics

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    Awesome to see so many folks building them up or researching the different options.

    I think these questions have been answered, but for my own understanding and to summarize:

    1) You need a new crown race. FSA Orbit 1.5 ZS 45° # H6088, aluminum black will work.
    2) The bike rides GREAT with it at 100. Personally looking to extend to 120.
    3) My understanding is that you need the SID air shaft to extend to 120. Someone said this is around $100. Any confirmation on this BDundee? Part Number?

    Finally got to weigh my build. Comes in at 32lbs, 5oz. Not bad with a Bluto and dropper post (Stock unless otherwise noted):

    Comp Fatboy in Medium
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    Front Wheel: Holy Rolling Daryl laced to Origin8 150 hub with DT Swiss Comps
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    Both wheels set up tubeless with leading edge tape and Orange Seal sub-zero sealant.
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    Easton Havoc Carbon riser bars
    Ergon grips (trimmed to fit with twisters).
    XO twist shifters
    Command Post (older version)

    Still coming: trade out Tektro brakes with Shimano Deores (on bench waiting to be installed), Convert drivetrain to 1x10 with OneUp 42T cog and Absolute Black 28t front ring (currently on another bike).

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    spoke length

    sorry dumb question, I found spoke length calculator.

    applied dimensions for salsa hub and specialized rim

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    Quote Originally Posted by alshead View Post
    You need a new crown race. FSA Orbit 1.5 ZS 45° # H6088, aluminum black will work.
    hmm, looking here
    https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...s.php?id=10605

    one of these?

    Orbit Xtreme-Pro 1.5"

    Item#:10605-67311
    Mfg#:160-5463
    UPC:400310019905
    EAN:400310019905
    Other #s:HD4573FS5269

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    100mm bluto + Salsa hub

    ordered!


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    Awesome! Cant wait to see more bluto builds!

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    Ordered a 80mm Bluto for my incoming Expert. LBS recieved the Fasno hub (red anodized) last thursday. just waiting on bike to arrive (eta beginning to mid august) then wait for the Bluto to arrive (eta late august, early september)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hans2vt View Post
    sorry dumb question, I found spoke length calculator.

    applied dimensions for salsa hub and specialized rim

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    Hi hans,

    to calculate the spoke lenght, you must use the proper values.

    Best way is to messure by yourself, here are my values.

    Specialized Fatbike rim ERD : 538 mm (spoke ends at beginning of nipple slot)
    0,25 mm washers under the nippels
    Spoke holes are 20 mm offset
    You can correct this by using "centered" rim holes and "pushing" in the flange distance 20 mm, in your spoke calculator. Like left flange distance 24 mm, right flange distance 25 mm.

    - projekt

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    ^what projekt said. Make sure you enter that the spoke offset is 20mm.

    I find FreeSpoke to be a great resource/ calculator. Use the "Full Calculator" since most fat bike stuff isn't in the database (though Surly rims are). It'll ask you everything you need to know.

    Freespoke

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    Been reading up on fat bikes because I was thinking about buying one ....here I was thinking the FB's were simple fun to ride bikes that don't need suspenssion because of the huge tires.... guess not....lol at me being so dumb.............thread saved me a grand...thanks
    The bike is never to heavy, you are just to WEAK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by projekt View Post
    Hi hans,

    to calculate the spoke lenght, you must use the proper values.

    Best way is to messure by yourself, here are my values.

    Specialized Fatbike rim ERD : 538 mm (spoke ends at beginning of nipple slot)
    0,25 mm washers under the nippels
    Spoke holes are 20 mm offset
    You can correct this by using "centered" rim holes and "pushing" in the flange distance 20 mm, in your spoke calculator. Like left flange distance 24 mm, right flange distance 25 mm.

    - projekt
    thanks projekt for the help!!! I was missing a lot.

    for ERD I found 534.2mm on the web. I googled "erd specialized fatboy rim". Should I use that? You had 538 which is pretty close I guess. Thoughts?

    -------

    Fatboy specifications and compatibility guide

    SPECIFICATIONS AND COMPATIBILITY INFORMATION FOR FATBOY ... ERD (effective rim diameter): 534.2mm. Specialized Ground Control tire: 26 x 4.6”.

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    Just make sure when u order the air shaft that it is for a 29 NOT a 26 SID

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    Quote Originally Posted by hans2vt View Post

    Fatboy specifications and compatibility guide

    SPECIFICATIONS AND COMPATIBILITY INFORMATION FOR FATBOY ... ERD (effective rim diameter): 534.2mm. Specialized Ground Control tire: 26 x 4.6”.
    Hans,

    everyone has his own way to messure the ERD, so i guess you may messure it yourself. That way you know whome to blame, when you ordered the wrong spoke length :-)

    Because the Nipple holes are offset on the rim - the corresponding hole is 40 mm offset, you can not exactly messure the ERD of the rim. My best bet was 538 mm.

    My Fatboy has had 0.25 mm steel washers under the nipples, i replaced them with 0.5 mm brass washers. The existence & thickness of the washers must be included in the ERD.

    Next thing to decide is spoke placement in the nippels. It's about a 2 mm difference of ERD if the spokeend just touches the bottom of the nipple slot, or fills the nipple to its end. In the first scenario you could use spokes that are 1 mm longer than calculated. In the second scenario, just the opposit.

    As you see, it all depends on your methode of messuring the ERD.

    But the is a way to sort it out. Just do all your messuring and calculate the Fatboy wheels. For 3-cross lacing front wheel spoke lenght is 259 mm, rear too. If you got these values, your messuring and calculation methode is ok.

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    Placed my order with Universal today, now the wait begins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    Placed my order with Universal today, now the wait begins.
    That a boy!! Now don't go beating on it because mass produced frames can't take it

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    That was one of the most blatant trolls I've seen - zero logic, constantly changing "point". Weird.

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    Bahhh I was almost done my new bluto... But the stock brake hose is too short. I guess I need to now find a longer hose! My junk Hayes disk brakes hose has different fittings so that won't work. Stock hose length is 26 but I need like 31 inches it looks like.

    Well maybe tomorrow or the next I'll finally have it done!

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    I guess I need to now find a longer hose!
    You're not alone, my friend.

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    bb7. just sayin....

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    Got my fork from brown Santa this morning, I'm building the wheel while on conference calls today. Hope to be riding it tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alshead View Post

    Here's mine- just got her finished up last night. Can't wait to get her on the trail! 100mm bluto.


    question... when you put tektro brake on the fork, did you have the thick part of the adaptor on top or bottom? The bosses on the fork are quite different than stock fork... and I can't figure out what direction to install the brake adaptor. (which side is up and which side is down - or the thick vs. thin side - or the "long bolt vs. short bolt side.

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    Re: FatBoy with Bluto?

    Just got it done, had to put a longer brake hose on it, but everything went very well. I used a threaded rod to install the star fangled nut, it worked great, much better than trying to knock it on from the top. Need to get it in the woods!

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    FatBoy with Bluto?

    Nice job Jisch! Pic?

    Can you see my question a FE posts up about brake mounting? Even send a pic of your brake mounted?

    Mine is done minus a front brake. Waiting for kit to build a longer brake hose.





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    I took it on a lap on the pump track it felt good, though a bit stiff at 100psi, I dropped some air to 90psi, we'll see how that goes. I'm 170 or so without my pack on.

    Funny about the brake adapter as I took a picture before I took mine apart so I'd remember which way to install it. Crappy pic, and mine has Shimano brakes, but it worked for me:


    Here's the final product:

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    How much for the Bluto? How much for a wheel?

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