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    Quote Originally Posted by majack View Post
    Wow, so you have been riding since 95, that is good on you. It's not how long someone has been riding. Yea, I was also riding snow back in the day, it has no bearing on the topic.

    Yes, we have multi-use trails in MN. So then my question is why do we want to make another user group mad and against us when down the road we all might need each other to keep said trails open.

    I'm talking about the state I live in, if other states allow fatbikes on the snowmobile trails, great. But in this state, I have many other options for riding to bark up this tree. If we all want to pay to play, then it's a different deal. This way the bikers are paying thier part and no one will have an issue with the trail use.
    Go buy a pass we all can wow that's easy!

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    I think there are many valid points here, and I think the main consensus seems to be be careful and respectful. Like many other states, Maine has snowmobile trails that are groomed wide and the speed of the snowmobiles are very high as well. These are NOT areas that I would either xc ski in nor ride. I would choose to ride on trails that are much more narrow, and not as likely to be as groomed quite so often... so there is certainly traffic but not as much.

    We do pose a problem being out there, and that is something that is quite evident. For areas, that sell a pass, then I would encourage folks to buy one if you are going to ride the trails. If you live in area like Maine, that doesn't have a pass, then make a donation to the local snowmobile club and help out with trail maintenance.

    The overall concern here is safety and not potentially getting into an argument where more trails could be closed to us.

    Enjoy the remainder of the snow everyone, and be safe!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatslide24 View Post
    I just want to give you a hardcore snowmobiler's take on this topic.

    The problem I see with shared trail use with other activity's is safety and liability to land owners.
    As it has already been said here, People don't pay attention or they drink and drive, do drugs etc.. It really isn't any safer than being on the road.
    As a user of the trails described I think I would be worried about my safety even more on a snowmobile than walking or on a bike. An accident with another sled is likely to be atleast as dangerous to you as it would be to a cyclists. And while riding on a snowmobile you have very little chance to hear approaching vehicles so less opportunity to avoid them. I think if it is safe for you to ride a snowmobile on the trail it is as safe to ride a bicycle.

    Craig

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbutter View Post
    I'm from Wisconsin currently we cannot legaly ride on snowmo trails here and I'm trying to Change that

    What are the laws where your from.
    How well is this activity recived
    Riding snowmobile trails in Wisconsin is not illegal, but it's not always a great idea, either.

    Riding the multi-use state trails like the Badger, Military Ridge and the like is flat-out legal if you have a current state bicycle trail pass.

    Riding snowmobile trails on private land might be a gray area, but I'd point out that they are generally designated as being for snowmobile use only. Riding those isn't a great idea for two reasons:

    1. They're not engineered like roads, so comparisons between the two don't really hold up very well. Snowmobile trails aren't subject to the same regulations that govern other motorized traffic, like sight lines, grades, etc.

    2. The use arrangement between the snowmobile clubs and the landowners doesn't currently include bicyclists as legit trail users. I'm not sure anybody knows exactly what the implications are, but riding there without the liability agreements negotiated by the clubs could really open a can of worms if there's a crash fatality.

    None of this means we couldn't come to terms with the clubs, just that we haven't yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatslide24 View Post
    I just want to give you a hardcore snowmobiler's take on this topic.

    The problem I see with shared trail use with other activity's is safety and liability to land owners.

    Bottom line is... a multi use trail it isn't good for either of us.

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    Thanks for your input, but I feel you may be off on landownership and recreational liability as-well-as your view on multi use trails. Unfortunately you did not list what State you live in so I can only give you a reference from the American Council of Snowmobile Associations ACSA-American Council of Snowmobile Associations-a national organization that was formed to unite the snowmobile community. BTW I am not a lawyer but from my understanding these rights also protect the land owner even if they collect fees for the land with the trail only if they are getting the money from land leased to public agency.
    Table 1: State Recreational Use Statute Information (06/2008)
    Statute Number and Web Link
    Alaska:
    Alaska Statutes 09.65.200 and 34.17.055 Alaska Statutes: AS 09.65.200. Tort Immunity For Personal Injuries or Death Occurring On Unimproved Land. http://touchngo.com/lglcntr/akstats/...Section055.htm
    California:
    California Government Code 2-2-3-2-846
    CA Codes (civ:840-848)
    Colorado:
    Colorado Revised Statutes 33-41-101 thru 105.5
    LexisNexis® Legal Resources
    Connecticut:
    Connecticut General Statute 52-557(f)
    Connecticut Recreational Use Statute
    Idaho:
    Idaho Code 36-1604
    http://www3.state.id.us/cgi-bin/newi...id=360160004.K
    Illinois:
    Illinois Compiled Statutes 745-65-1 thru 7
    745*ILCS*65/**Recreational Use of Land and Water Areas Act.
    Indiana:
    Indiana Statutes 14-22-10-2
    Indiana Code 14-22-10
    Iowa:
    Iowa Code XI-2-461C.1 thru 7
    Iowa Code 461C.2
    Maine:
    Maine Revised Statutes Annotated 14-1-7-159(A)
    Title 14, §159-A: Limited liability for recreational or harvesting activities
    Massachusetts:
    Massachusetts General Laws I-21-17C
    http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/21-17c.htm
    Michigan:
    Michigan Compiled Laws 324.73301
    Michigan Legislature - Section 324.73301
    Minnesota:
    Minnesota Statutes 604A .20 thru 27
    http://ros.leg.mn/bin/getpub.php?pub...stat.604A.20.0
    Montana:
    Montana Code 70-16-301 and 302
    http://data.opi.state.mt.us/bills/mca_toc/70_16_3.htm
    Nebraska:
    Nebraska Revised Statutes 37-729 thru 736
    http://uniweb.legislature.ne.gov/leg...ge=s3707029000
    Nevada:
    Nevada Revised Statutes 41.510
    NRS: CHAPTER 41 - ACTIONS AND PROCEEDINGS IN PARTICULAR CASES CONCERNING PERSONS
    New Hampshire:
    New Hampshire Revised Statutes XVIII-212:34
    Section 212:34 Duty of Care.
    New York:
    New York General Obligations Law 9-103
    Laws of New York
    North Dakota:
    North Dakota Century Code 53-08-01 thru 06
    http://www.legis.nd.gov/cencode/t53c08.pdf
    Ohio:
    Ohio Revised Code 1533.18 thru 181
    Lawriter - ORC - 1533.18 Recreational user definitions.
    Oregon:
    Oregon Revised Statutes 105.672 thru 700
    http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/105.html
    Pennsylvania:
    Pennsylvania Statutes 68-11-477-1 thru 7
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    South Dakota:
    South Dakota Codified Laws 20-9-12 thru 18
    http://legis.state.sd.us/statutes/Di...e&Statute=20-9
    Utah:
    Utah Code 57-14-1 thru 7
    http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE57/57_10.htm
    Vermont:
    Vermont Statutes Annotated 12-203-5791
    thru 5795
    The Vermont Statutes Online
    Washington:
    Washington Revised Code 4-24.200 thru 210
    RCW 4.24.200: Liability of owners or others in possession of land and water areas for injuries to recreation users ? Purpose.
    Wisconsin:
    Wisconsin Statutes 895.52 thru 525
    Wisconsin Legislature: 895.52
    Wyoming:
    Wyoming Statutes 34-19-101 thru 106
    http://legisweb.state.wy.us/statutes...ss/title34.doc

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    Quote Originally Posted by ridebikeme View Post
    ...snip
    We do pose a problem being out there, and that is something that is quite evident. For areas, that sell a pass, then I would encourage folks to buy one if you are going to ride the trails. If you live in area like Maine, that doesn't have a pass, then make a donation to the local snowmobile club and help out with trail maintenance.

    The overall concern here is safety and not potentially getting into an argument where more trails could be closed to us.

    Enjoy the remainder of the snow everyone, and be safe!!

    Well said I concur.
    In Alaska the winter trail grooming money only comes from snowmachine registration or local clubs/nonprofits. The nonmotorized groups (mushers, bikers,skiers) can not support state grooming if they do not own a snowmachine, but they can form their own club/nonprofit or join an existing one.

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