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    Fat is a state of mind.

    My "Trail/Enduro/All Mountain Bike" TM got jealous of all the fat bike snow posts.

    So when my buddy, who has a Surley Instigator (4.8" up front, 3" in back), called me up and said "Hey, snow ride tomorrow morning. You down?"

    I didn't have much of a choice. It was about 15 degrees F out there this morning and snowing.







    I was faster than the guy on the fatbike.

    15 miles of snow, deepest I got was about 6"-8" of drift. 2.4" @ 15 PSI, 2.35" @ 18 PSI.

    One of these summers, when the Fat Bike market gets saturated and nothing's moving, I'll pick up a frameset and start lacing some wheels. Until then, My All EnduroTrailTM bike will suffice.

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    Wow, you are awesome. One ride and you're the top rooster in the yard.

    I could explain the difference between a fat bike and a regular bike, or you could actually read some of the 7364 threads in this forum. Try some soft sand with your skinny tires, or perhaps even the same snowy trail on a different day. Or just continue the trolling because with one ride, you already know everything there is to know about the difference between fat tires and skinny tires.
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    Thbbbbff;

    If you could ride at all, it was an easy ride. An any-bike ride. You couldn't have ridden what I did today in 3" of snow. Fatbiking IS a state of mind sometimes, but methinks you are on the wrong continent.
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    "I don't have what you have (and secretly want to) so I'm going to tell you about how you don't need it and what I have can do it better" was basically what I read here. What would us guys who have many different mountain, road, and fat bikes (and have actual experience) know though... we're just fap happy bandwagoners, right?
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    I want a fatbike, just haven't built it yet. And I'm not going to jump on one of the less expensive options (Nashbar, Bikesdirect) yet.


    Calm down fellas, there's plenty of snow for all of us.

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    It's the wide Q Factor from the 100mm BB, bunches our panties every time.
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    I spent 2 years trying to convince myself that I didn't need a fatbike too. Now I ride with friends more often (on our fatbikes) in the snow then we ride our mountain bikes in the summer.

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    Sounds like you had an awesome time in the snow and with your friends. You don't need a fat bike to ride in the snow as you've discovered. A fat bike just provides another option for snow riding, it's not the only option.

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    As awesome as you are now, you would be even awesomer on snow with some fat tires to match your head.
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    FNFAL, you seem to be missing the point. You took the time to come to a Fatbike subforum to talk about how you went on a snow ride and were faster than a fatbike. You did not ride a fatbike, you do not own a fatbike, and you did not talk about fatbikes other than saying you would possibly like to get one someday. This is not a "snow bike" subforum, it's a fatbike subforum, so your post comes across as trolling because it sounds like you are stating that your bike is better than a fatbike, in the snow, based on one ride. I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just letting you know why people are bothered by your post. If you want to brag about how your non-fatbike rides in the snow, go to a forum that isn't about fatbikes. I don't post about how cool my 26" Fatbike is in the 29er forum because... you guessed it... it isn't a 29er.

    Speaking for everyone (which I don't have permission to do) we LOVE people who are new to fatbikes and have something constructive to say about them. It's a great niche of the bike industry and we like to see others experiencing it. There are threads about people who have ridden them and just don't get it. Most of the responses are along the lines of "glad you tried it, sorry it's not for you." It's not that we aren't happy for you that you had a great ride. Great rides are AWESOME! It's more that your post comes across as condescending to fatbikes. Being a niche area that a lot of people just don't "get", we are a bit sensitive to that when it's based on very limited experience. (at least I am)

    I hope you get a fatbike someday, and I hope you love it. They are awesome bikes, though not for everyone.

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    Re: Fat is a state of mind.

    APPREHEND THE BLASPHEMER AT ONCE!

    When did the fat section become overrun with crybabies? Come on guys. I like my Pugsley, but I definitely don't feel like my personal identity is being compromised when someone doesn't heap praise onto fatbikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coloradogoose View Post
    FNFAL, you seem to be missing the point....
    This +1

    The point of a fatbike isn't speed. It's a tool to take you where other bikes cannot go.

    If you're able to ride a skinny wheel bike in the conditions, it wasn't really fatbike territory. Most of us here spent years riding skinny bikes in the snow too, so we do know the difference.

    However sometimes a rider's skill transcends the conditions and he can ride stuff on an ordinary bike that other less skilled riders can't manage even with the best bikes. Perhaps you are that awesome rider, or maybe the snow wasn't that deep.




    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    APPREHEND THE BLASPHEMER AT ONCE!...
    Nah, I just think he got carried away with an excess of enthusiasm, but crucifixion follows the second offence...

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    This says it better

    Quote Originally Posted by ntm1973 View Post
    As an experiment, I took my knard wheels for my pugsley to the trail with me last time I did a snow ride. It is a well used park with lots of packed snow. I figured it would be the best case scenario for the 29er+ setup. I ran 7psi tubeless with the knards. I also brought along my fat wheels just in case. The 29er+ ride lasted about 20 minutes and I was back at the car changing my wheels. They did fine on hard packed snow but the soon as it got a little loose in a few areas, I just didn't have any traction/float and had to walk. I am sure the dirt wizard tires will be better in the snow than the knards but there is just something about those big high volume tires on the pugsley that will be impossible to reproduce with a 29er+ wheel setup. Those 29er+ wheels did feel nice and fast on the hard pack though, I am looking forward to some all day rides mountain rides in the summer.


    I think the 29er+ concept has a lot of potential but it just doesn't have the volume to do what a fat bike does.
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    I'm just glad he was out riding.

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    Well;

    He did +rep me for my comments, so he's not really as contrary as he sounds. He's just... contrary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    APPREHEND THE BLASPHEMER AT ONCE!

    When did the fat section become overrun with crybabies? Come on guys. I like my Pugsley, but I definitely don't feel like my personal identity is being compromised when someone doesn't heap praise onto fatbikes.

    Not everyone has to like your bike. Learn to live with it.
    I think it's because we're all a little bit on edge due to The Great Fatbike Backlash that's going on right now. I let him off the hook because he says he wants a fatbike, and because the other bike was not a fatbike (3" rear wheel - I mean, c'mon!).

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    My mind is in a Fat Bike state!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    My mind is in a Fat Bike state!
    That's the kind of place to be!

    Fatbikes are awesome. I've always wanted to build one up. Don't jump on me for plowing through powder with my 26" hardtail, it's out of necessity.

    Fatbikes are showing up on Tour Divide as well. There were plenty of sections back in 2011 that I would have loved to had bigger tires than my 2.0 Crossmarks.

    And guys, don't think I'm calling fatbikes a "useless fad". I've been riding 650b on my main bike for nearly four years. Trust me, I've heard the "Fad" arguments before!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FNFAL View Post
    ...Fatbikes are awesome. I've always wanted to build one up. Don't jump on me for plowing through powder with my 26" hardtail, it's out of necessity....
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    Hey;

    Like somebody said, we've all been riding our skinny bikes in the snow for years. Problem was, not much. Not much riding unless there was not much snow. Now, there is no consternation when the ruler says over 4" You can go and ride. The only question is can you develop the knowledge and the mental toughness to try and work over/through/around/with the conditions. Skinny is on the trainer. Fat is out there bringin it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailMaker View Post
    Hey;

    Like somebody said, we've all been riding our skinny bikes in the snow for years. Problem was, not much...
    It was pretty hard work.

    Still is, but there's less bike hiking involved.



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    FNFAL,

    I know it probably wasn't your intention to incite a negative response but you would probably get a similar response if you went to the down hill forum and said how you are taking a rigid 29er downhill and thus insinuating that big travel downhill bikes are overkill for the Red Bull Rampage.

    Pretty much +1 on what everyone else said, just adding:

    It's always the Indian, not the arrow. The important thing is to get out and ride, it sounds like you had a good one. Being faster isn't ALWAYS the goal of the ride. You're more likely to remember the rides you spent talking to your friends, not dropping them.

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    'Rung what you brung' nothing wrong with that, but as it's said 'water seeks its own level'

    He was lucky the conditions allowed him to ride the ride, at some point he may encounter conditions that he won't be able to ride his skinny tires in the snow, then, he won't have the right tool for the job. A fat bike is just another tool in the stable, and a fun to ride tool they are !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ntm1973 View Post
    FNFAL,

    I know it probably wasn't your intention to incite a negative response but you would probably get a similar response if you went to the down hill forum and said how you are taking a rigid 29er downhill and thus insinuating that big travel downhill bikes are overkill for the Red Bull Rampage.

    Pretty much +1 on what everyone else said, just adding:

    It's always the Indian, not the arrow. The important thing is to get out and ride, it sounds like you had a good one. Being faster isn't ALWAYS the goal of the ride. You're more likely to remember the rides you spent talking to your friends, not dropping them.
    Don't be so sure of FNFAL'S benign intentions. Had a run in with him before. An innocuous exchange about multiuse trails ended up with neg rep for me and him schooling me on his favorite automatic weapons.
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    Nice try guy. A regular mountain bike is no fat bike. I have a 29er with 2.4 tires on Blunt 35 that measure out 2.5 and they have nothing on a any fat tire I've ridden. Most fatbikes I've ridden are pretty slow, but they go where no other bikes can go. If I could ride a regular mountain bike around the city like I can a fat bike, I wouldn't have a fat bike. I know that every other bike I have is faster. Heavy wheels and tires feel super slow especially when you don't need them, like days when you could ride a 29er through a few piles of light powdery snow. Then again, I saw a 22lb fatbike recently and IMO the Pugsly seems especially slow.

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    I think everyone's already covered all the bases but I will still add my .02 worth.
    Like everyone else I have ridden my normal MTB in the winter, where my fatty takes over is days like yesterday. Fresh wet snow with rain, tons of slush in the woods in the low areas. Was still hard on the fatty and still had to walk a few sections but other than that my 2.4 would have stopped working 100 meters into the ride and I would of had to turn around an go home or push the bike the entire ride. Is the fatbike slower, hell yeah but out riding this time of year isn't about speed it just getting out and having fun. It's even better when you pass hikers and they just stand in awe of your tires, not one person has had a negative comment, everyone is just so blown away but the size of the wheels. Most are " I can't believe your out riding in this and holy shit look at those tires"
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    We all agree our fatbikes are "slow", but what is fast?

    Is it a momentary burst of speed while you're fresh, or is it a good average speed over a substantial distance?

    The reason I raise this is that in the last 3 years when I have used my fatbike in the StrathPuffer 24 hour, I have done a personal best twice, and equalled my previous personal best. I've done 9 of those races, always on single speed rigid bikes. The previous bikes are top quality lightweight 26" and 29er, yet I'm doing better on my Pug which is twice the weight and is well known as "slow".

    (At my age it's not a question of me getting faster or fitter, it's more of a question of delaying the inevitable deterioration )
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    I did a group ride yesterday in 2-3" of mashed potatoes. I was on my fat bike, while everyone else was on regular mountain bikes - mix of 27.5, 26 and 29ers. I had a slight advantage climbing straight up hills, I was getting more traction than anyone else. Turning in this stuff was equally difficult for everyone, with the guy on the 27.5 doing much better than anyone else, which I think was more of a skill thing than anything else. I'm running Floaters, I'm sure Nates would have done better, but it was one of those days where cutting through and floating over the snow gave the same results (more or less).

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    Hey;

    This is not going to be earth shattering, just blather, but I find it an interesting study in "flotation." I rode Saturday in 3-4" of week old 34* snow. I only put in about 2 miles, and yet was quite gassed by the end. Please allow some exception for my out-of-shape Winterness, to some degree. I did most of my riding through open forest where there are no trails. Side-hill (5-10* pitch) glacial morraine territory littered with 2-4' high humps and mounds over the entire surface. There is no flat ground here, and the deciduous floor area is covered with a super thick layer of decaying leaf matter, old branches, and various deadfall. This type of odd rocky terrain also generally promotes very shallow/wide root growth, so there were plenty of those to deal with, quietly lurking in their camouflaged state.

    In thinking back on it, I could not have done that with any other bike. I had to zig zag may way up the hill to keep moving, partly due to traction, partly the grade, and partly my own limitations, and even that proved difficult. There were many stalls, slips, and plain old rest stops to get my breathing/heart rate back down. If I chose my line well, through the standing and downed trees and smaller humps - which is hard to do while you trying to simply get through, let alone clean, the stuff you are currently on without stalling or crashing - I could ride fairly successfully. If I got too busy or distracted by techy stuff under my wheels or crashing through gauntlets of dead pine branches, it was 20' and stall kind of stuff. There was no hike-a-bike involved, just the challenge to keep moving by pedal. Quite a challenge it was. My kind of riding.

    I could not have done that on any other bike. A very strong rider possibly could have had variously equal success in the dry summer on a skinny bike, although it would have been immensely difficult, but no chance at all even in this shallow blanket of white. I doubt I could, on a skinny bike in the dry. It occurs to me that the snow made it easier in some sense. Yes, the slightly apple sauce snow made traction moderate, but it's thin depth got me into the terrain below, just a bit. I aired up the Nates just a bit from pure deep snow settings (up to 6-7F/R) to sink better into the forest "carpet" underneath and milk it for grip. The snow acted as a bit of a filler, leveling the surface. So too did it mask what was underneath. A classic trade of pluses and minuses.

    I'm sitting here thinking, "Velo knows what I'm talking about." Yep, my kind of riding. Fat roolz. Blather, off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    APPREHEND THE BLASPHEMER AT ONCE!

    When did the fat section become overrun with crybabies? Come on guys. I like my Pugsley, but I definitely don't feel like my personal identity is being compromised when someone doesn't heap praise onto fatbikes.

    Not everyone has to like your bike. Learn to live with it.
    You obviously aren't a 'real' "fatbiker".
    I can tell because you didn't say "fatbike" at least 6 times in your post.

    I doubt anybody in the DH forum would give a damn if someone shared their experience about DHing on a rigid 29er, because they're still downhilling. Same with the DJ/BMX forum - it's about a common type of riding insted of just a common shopping outcome. I know a many people put a lot of emphasis on WHAT you ride rather than HOW you ride it, but IMO, gear cliques are lame. And I have yet to figure out what the difference is between 'fatbiking' and plain old 'riding'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    I doubt anybody in the DH forum would give a damn if someone shared their experience about DHing on a rigid 29er, because they're still downhilling. Same with the DJ/BMX forum - it's about a common type of riding
    Yes it is, the riding of fatbikes. As someone else already pointed out, this is the FATBIKE forum, not the SNOWBIKE forum. They are not interchangeable. Fatbikes aren't just for riding in snow. I know more than a few people that ride their fatties all year. So in essence, you agree with the person you are arguing with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    I know a many people put a lot of emphasis on WHAT you ride rather than HOW you ride it, but IMO, gear cliques are lame. And I have yet to figure out what the difference is between 'fatbiking' and plain old 'riding'.
    I have 3 thoughts on this:

    1) If we say we agree with you, will you promise to go away? (We'd be lying about agreeing with you.)

    2) A "gear clique"? That's French for the sound my bike makes when I shift, right?

    3) Fatbiking IS a lot like regular riding, except it's better because you're not there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    ...And I have yet to figure out what the difference is between 'fatbiking' and plain old 'riding'.
    Perfectly valid differentiation.

    We all know what is being referred to when someone talks about downhilling, or bmxing.

    Maybe you're not taking your bike into the unreachable places...
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    This whole things sounds like the old 27.5 is not the real sweet spot of wheel size and 26 is dead 29 is the new 26 LOL, lets face it we all ride what we ride and we will justify it till our last breath. It all boils down to we are all out riding on two wheels having fun and thats what its all about right. I consider all my bikes the right tool for the right job, for deeper snow and muddy spring riding I have my fatty, when the trails dry up then out comes my FS 29er and for my trials I have a trials specific bike, could I do all of this with one bike, sure I could would I have as much fun HELL NO! I have yet to buy a road bike I just can't force myself to do that. I don't want to be in the "roadie clique" LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Perfectly valid differentiation.

    We all know what is being referred to when someone talks about downhilling, or bmxing.

    Maybe you're not taking your bike into the unreachable places...
    I know it's just a stupid esoteric type of thing, but I'd say if taking your bike into 'unreachable' places, or even riding on terrain that is typically unridable on any other type of bike, was strictly the definition, then I might think 'fatbiking' might be be uniqe enough to be seen as an actual distinct riding discipline. But lots of people don't do any of this, but still seem to call what they do 'fatbiking', as if buying a bike with extra floaty tires somehow makes the riding they're doing unique. But it's clear from what I see in this forum that 'fatbiking' has only one thing that defines it - somebody bought one.

    For example, with downhilling, it doesn't matter what bike you ride. If you spend the day riding it up a chairlift and down a mountain, you went downhilling. Same goes for dirt jumping, trials, park or street riding, BMX racing (yes you can race BMX on a mtb), XC riding, whatever the discipline. None of these are defined solely by the purchase of a certain slightly unique style of bike, but by the actual type of riding done (mainly determined by terrain). If you ride your DH bike around the local XC loop, are you DHing? Obviously not.; you're doing the same type of riding anyone else is doing there. But run a little extra float in your tires, all of a sudden, you're taking part in some magical new and singular activity. The OP here went on a ride with a guy on a fat bike. They both covered the same terrain, at the same time. You would say one guy is 'fatbiking' (and possible get a little misty about it), the other is....well, he's doing something different. But as far as I can tell, there's no difference whatsoever except what they swiped their credit cards on. It just seems kinda contrived (and in some cases, pretentious) to me.

    Not that there's anything wrong with riding huge tires if that's what makes you happy. Hell, more power to you if you're riding them in the types of conditions they were developed for. I think it's cool as hell to see some of the pictures, etc here of people really pushing what's possible to ride, on bikes that have been specifically customized to allow it. I've had a few snowy rides lately where I would've seriously like to have some more float myself. But on the days I reach for the bike with the biggest tires, I wouldn't consider myself doing anything but plain old XC riding, particularly if it's in conditions that could be ridden on any bike, which is what I see a lot of 'fatbikers' doing with them. So, IMO, cool bikes? Yes. Distinct type of riding? Not at all.

    (And please take this in the tone in which I meant it, which would be post-ride, around-the-fire, old fashioned friendly ball busting. It's really not important at all. Like I said, just esoteric hair-splitting to counter a small bout of boredom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    I know it's just a stupid esoteric type of thing, but I'd say if taking your bike into 'unreachable' places, or even riding on terrain that is typically unridable on any other type of bike, was strictly the definition, then I might think 'fatbiking' might be be uniqe enough to be seen as an actual distinct riding discipline. But lots of people don't do any of this, but still seem to call what they do 'fatbiking', as if buying a bike with extra floaty tires somehow makes the riding they're doing unique. But it's clear from what I see in this forum that 'fatbiking' has only one thing that defines it - somebody bought one.

    For example, with downhilling, it doesn't matter what bike you ride. If you spend the day riding it up a chairlift and down a mountain, you went downhilling. Same goes for dirt jumping, trials, park or street riding, BMX racing (yes you can race BMX on a mtb), XC riding, whatever the discipline. None of these are defined solely by the purchase of a certain slightly unique style of bike, but by the actual type of riding done (mainly determined by terrain). If you ride your DH bike around the local XC loop, are you DHing? Obviously not.; you're doing the same type of riding anyone else is doing there. But run a little extra float in your tires, all of a sudden, you're taking part in some magical new and singular activity. The OP here went on a ride with a guy on a fat bike. They both covered the same terrain, at the same time. You would say one guy is 'fatbiking' (and possible get a little misty about it), the other is....well, he's doing something different. But as far as I can tell, there's no difference whatsoever except what they swiped their credit cards on. It just seems kinda contrived (and in some cases, pretentious) to me.

    Not that there's anything wrong with riding huge tires if that's what makes you happy. Hell, more power to you if you're riding them in the types of conditions they were developed for. I think it's cool as hell to see some of the pictures, etc here of people really pushing what's possible to ride, on bikes that have been specifically customized to allow it. I've had a few snowy rides lately where I would've seriously like to have some more float myself. But on the days I reach for the bike with the biggest tires, I wouldn't consider myself doing anything but plain old XC riding, particularly if it's in conditions that could be ridden on any bike, which is what I see a lot of 'fatbikers' doing with them. So, IMO, cool bikes? Yes. Distinct type of riding? Not at all.

    (And please take this in the tone in which I meant it, which would be post-ride, around-the-fire, old fashioned friendly ball busting. It's really not important at all. Like I said, just esoteric hair-splitting to counter a small bout of boredom.

    Wow, all that philosophy and your still missing the point ! Quite simply, it's about the individual experience, not your perceived experience of what others do for whatever reasons. I ride fat, therefore I am. Now leave us alone !!

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    Did somebody just slap some snow on their skinny bike and made a long a$$ post?

    Why so much attempt at pigeon-holing to hate any one particular kind of bike.. See the same here as when I did a lot of singlespeeding. Haters will always be haters

    For fekk sake its just another bike but this time with2 obscene rubbers that still need a pair of legs to pedal. Ok a little more legs at times.

    Like it, have the cash, spring for it and ride as deem fit.
    I even do a lot of things with mine that it is "not" suppose to and pay the price for it. But then I'm gonna go out now and do more stoopid stuff after pressing the "post" button.

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    For fekk sake its just another bike but this time with2 obscene rubbers that still need a pair of legs to pedal.
    Exactly my point. So what's with all the people getting gushy and making it out to be so much more? You can't pretend that's not blatantly evident in this forum. Saying 'fatbiking' is some unique type of riding is the same as saying 'full suspensioning', '29ering' or 'wide handlebarring' are also actual styles of riding, as opposed to just one of a million choices you can make wrt your equipment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danaco View Post
    Quite simply, it's about the individual experience, not your perceived experience of what others do for whatever reasons.
    So, you're saying that the OP WAS actually 'fatbiking'? That was his individual experience from the sound of it.

    Nope, cuz 'fatbiking' is purely dependent on some arcane equipment guidelines. Didn't buy the 'right', very specific equipment? You're experience doesn't matter.

    Whatever, if labelling what you're doing as something special makes you happy, then go ahead and be happy about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    I know it's just a stupid esoteric type of thing, but I'd say if taking your bike into 'unreachable' places, or even riding on terrain that is typically unridable on any other type of bike, was strictly the definition, then I might think 'fatbiking' might be be uniqe enough to be seen as an actual distinct riding discipline. But lots of people don't do any of this, but still seem to call what they do 'fatbiking', as if buying a bike with extra floaty tires somehow makes the riding they're doing unique.

    ....But on the days I reach for the bike with the biggest tires, I wouldn't consider myself doing anything but plain old XC riding, particularly if it's in conditions that could be ridden on any bike, which is what I see a lot of 'fatbikers' doing with them. So, IMO, cool bikes? Yes. Distinct type of riding? Not at all...
    I can't really speak for what others do because almost all my riding is done solo, so I don't see other riders very often.

    A typical ride may have me riding up to 15 miles on the road, then on to general trails (natural and forestry track) for many more miles, and then across country (no track) which will include bogs, deer paths, carrying the bike, chucking it over 7' high deer fences, dragging it through heather and such like. Other times, I'll head straight up the hill at the back of my home, and spend several hours covering maybe 3 miles while investigating archeological sites and my wheels will not touch a track or trail at all.

    To me that's all fatbiking, not x% roadbiking, y% trailriding, and z% fatbiking.

    Then again, I have been known to set off on my road bike, and do exactly the same sort of ride as described above (with obviously more hike a bike involved). Probably categorise that as trail riding.

    Looking at it from a different angle. When I ride my fatbike on a trail, I will be riding it in a completely different manner to my skinny mtb. On the skinny mtb I'm actively checking out every obstacle to work out how to get around/over it. On the fatbike I don't bother, I just plough on. The difference in the riding style needed was brought home to me forcibly today when I took my old 1x1 out for a trot. Suddenly I needed to have my full attention on the track rather than what was around. It was actually quite embarrassing how often I got caught out on a trail I don't even have to think about normally. So even if the fatbike is just used on a trail, it's a different riding style and worthy of the name, fatbiking.

    I can see what point you're trying to make, but it's reminiscent of the "how many angels fit on a pinhead" type discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    So, you're saying that the OP WAS actually 'fatbiking'? That was his individual experience from the sound of it.

    Nope, cuz 'fatbiking' is purely dependent on some arcane equipment guidelines. Didn't buy the 'right', very specific equipment? You're experience doesn't matter.

    Whatever, if labelling what you're doing as something special makes you happy, then go ahead and be happy about it.
    So you're the self-appointed arbiter of what's acceptable to be enthusiastic about?
    Is it acceptable to be enthusiastic about mountain biking in general?
    About a particular brand of bikes?
    About a mountain biking destination?
    About a mountain biking organization?
    About a brand of beer?

    Are fatbikes worthy of the hype? That's totally subjective. Here's my perspective: I've been a mountain biker for 26 years, more XC and adventure oriented rather than DH or extreme stuff. I do enjoy occasional racing, riding rocks, getting stupid and drinking beer. I ride maybe 150-200 days a year.

    I admit to being a gearhead. I appreciate well made bikes and parts from both engineering and aesthetic angles. I also appreciate how a well made and/or innovative piece of gear can improve the riding experience.

    Unlike the differences among 26/27.5/29" wheeled bikes, the experience of riding a fatbike is significantly different. You may not like the difference, but I do, and it appears that at least a few thousand others do as well, so you might want to consider that there's more to it than simply the novelty factor. Specifically, I like the stability, the suspension-without-suspension feeling, the traction, and yes, even the handling. But unlike some others, I think semi-uncontrolled bouncing around in rock gardens is fun. I'm 3 years into the "fad" and my other bikes rot in the shed. I will officially go on record as saying that the fatbike hype IS warranted.

    You continue to expend a fair amount of time explaining your viewpoint, which would appear to be: "I think fatbikes are OK, but not really all that great. I just don't like the people who ride them."

    (BTW, you might gain a shred of credibility if you admitted whether you've ridden one enough to pass judgement.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Exactly my point. So what's with all the people getting gushy and making it out to be so much more? You can't pretend that's not blatantly evident in this forum. Saying 'fatbiking' is some unique type of riding is the same as saying 'full suspensioning', '29ering' or 'wide handlebarring' are also actual styles of riding, as opposed to just one of a million choices you can make wrt your equipment.

    Like the bikes, hate the overblown hype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Is it acceptable to be enthusiastic about mountain biking in general?


    (BTW, you might gain a shred of credibility if you admitted whether you've ridden one enough to pass judgement.)
    Sure, You can even be enthusastic about your choice of tire size, if it's really so wildly exciting to you. Doesn't mean every time you ride, what you're doing is so unique compared to what everyone else has been doing forever that it's a legitimate new genre, or that tire width choice somehow rises to the 'lifestyle' level, as some of the more gushy folks seem to think.

    You don't have to ride every tire on the planet to understand the concept of large tires / low pressure. It's not a some big mystery. There are advantages and disadvantages. I've been riding long enough to form an opinion re: when people are jumping on a bandwagon and getting all evangelical about some piece of gear or other being the be-all and end-all. Near as I can tell, the majority of people who own fatbikes fall into a couple camps - those that actually use them regularly in conditions that call for them, and everybody that ever bought a set of Mary Bars for their rigid SS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Near as I can tell, the majority of people who own fatbikes fall into a couple camps - those that actually use them regularly in conditions that call for them, and everybody that ever bought a set of Mary Bars for their rigid SS.
    FWIW, I'm friends with a guy who is in both camps.

    Now that I think of it, I bet Velobike would be in both camps too. Simultaneously during one ride.

    I think the idea of "fat biking" as a verb died for me when I got spanked in pedals-deep powder by a racer fellow riding - in front of me - on a CX bike. He looked like the wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man, but I realized a good rider can take any bike into any conditions, and that fat bikes have practical limitations that aren't worth the price of entry for many, and perhaps too many people find out too late.

    That said, if I only could have one bike, it would be fat bike. Can't imagine not having one.

    Actually I'm without one right now and I'm going a LITTLE CRAZY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Sure, You can even be enthusastic about your choice of tire size, if it's really so wildly exciting to you.
    Sometimes I dream of my 4" tires, their supple 180TPI sidewalls glistening with droplets of fresh cool water from a mountain stream, inflated to perfection with 6.5psi of imported air from the Colorado Rockies, and I can't help but think, man, is that slapheadmofo guy a douche.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    .... Near as I can tell, the majority of people who own fatbikes fall into a couple camps - those that actually use them regularly in conditions that call for them, and everybody that ever bought a set of Mary Bars for their rigid SS.
    Dude, I think you fell off the trail there. I just got back from a 20+ mile ride on snowmobile trails with a few friends, including a long-ass climb to the top of a mountain. Two of us were on fat bikes, two were on FS bikes with 2.3" studded tires; we all made it the whole way. The difference was the fatbikers were riding virtually everything and the MTBers were walking, at times a lot. There is no doubt the two of us riding fat had a whole lot more fun, and all four of us would agree on that.

    For me, that's what it's all about. I've owned an original purple Pugs for almost 8 years and still love it for these kinds of conditions. It will never be my year-round bike. I would like a set of Mary bars to make my old wrists more comfortable, but am not sure how those fit in the conversation...

    I get that you understand the concept of big tires, but until you ride one in conditions they were made for you're not going to understand a lot of the people in this forum. Take Daren's bike for a rip and you may have your mind blown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    I can't help but think, man, is that slapheadmofo guy a douche.
    I just wasted 5 minutes of my life reading this thread and that's about all I got out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    ...Near as I can tell, the majority of people who own fatbikes fall into a couple camps - those that actually use them regularly in conditions that call for them, and everybody that ever bought a set of Mary Bars for their rigid SS.
    You're talking like a sad fashionista troll.

    Your comment about Mary bars demonstrates a staggering depth of ignorance. It's not some fly-by-night fashion accessory.

    Mary bars are simply a slightly larger version of a bar which has been in widespread use in this country for over 80 years. Over those decades it has been very popular with people who were riding mountains, on of course, rigid singlespeed bikes (usually fixed wheel).




    Mary bars on a rigid singlespeed that does considerable mileages.






    Mary bars on a rigid singlespeed that does considerable mileages.







    Mary bars on a rigid singlespeed 20 hours into a 24 hour solo ride.







    Predecessor to Mary bars on a singlespeed over 8 years ago.







    The people I know who use Mary bars do so because they are comfortable when they are spending long periods in the saddle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Sometimes I dream of my 4" tires, their supple 180TPI sidewalls glistening with droplets of fresh cool water from a mountain stream, inflated to perfection with 6.5psi of imported air from the Colorado Rockies, and I can't help but think, man, is that slapheadmofo guy a douche.
    But when you think about it, who's really the douche? Me, for having an opinion based on a lot of years riding that I can (arguably) back up, or you, who gets so butthurt that there are people out there who don't immediately fall down and worship at their tire choice, they need to jump to the personal attacks?

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    I drank the cool aide for the first few years of owning a fatty but now I prefer to hang it up in favor of other steeds when conditions call for it. I do believe the hype has steered a few in the wrong direction over the years but most have been very happy. Still when winter rolls around it's all about the fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    But when you think about it, who's really the douche? Me, for having an opinion based on a lot of years riding that I can (arguably) back up, or you, who gets so butthurt that there are people out there who don't immediately fall down and worship at their tire choice, they need to jump to the personal attacks?

    Pot, meet kettle.
    Sorry, I'll admit there's a possibility you're not a douche.

    As for backing up one's opinion, I laid out a list of reasons for my opinions, plus my background so you could maybe see where I was coming from. You won't even answer a simple question of whether you've ever ridden a fatbike. Your posts are full of insults - to fatbikers, singlespeeders, even Mary bar users!

    You may have a valid point buried in there somewhere, but I'm still not sure what it is. (Also, "butthurt" is the favorite word choice of failed trolls everywhere.)

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