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    Fat Dillinger!!


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    Wow, give me four please!

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    Mmm. Suddenly my buying only 1 Dillinger this year seems like premonition! Next year I can move my current Dillinger to the back of my Pugsley, and throw a new 5" one onto my HRD front rim. That should do better in the snow than what I have now...

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    Any bets on the price? Number to beat is $170 for the studded snowshoe xL

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    can't wait for the claims of superior traction in snow
    Love my regular Dillingers, I hope that they increase the stud count to account for the increased width on these new tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willum View Post
    Any bets on the price? Number to beat is $170 for the studded snowshoe xL
    A 3.8/4.0 studded Dillinger is something like $225.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars_D View Post
    Love my regular Dillingers, I hope that they increase the stud count to account for the increased width on these new tires.
    But if the lugs are bigger, and the spaces are bigger, on the 5, vs the 4, wouldn't the stud count remain the same? How many more lugs/studs could they fit?

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    A faster rolling 4.7" tire? I'm sold!!!

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    Man... I JUST finished my bike with Bud and Lou. I woulda got these if they were available.
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    My grip studded bud/ Lou (90 studs total) is superior as far as ice safety goes compared to my Dillingers. And I can just unscrew them when spring hits...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    no doubt you people in AK with the awesome crust rides I've seen want these but I'm thinking most places with snow either want float ~ or ~ skinny studded tires that cut down to the ice for grip. The float and ice traction together doesn't make sense here often.

    Us people in Idaho like em too. When you ride rutted icy farm roads with occasional wind drifts to a snowy trail in the woods which has off camber icy spots in where the sun hits, its fun to not even worry about slipping on any of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    The float and ice traction together doesn't make sense here often.
    True that.

    Still, good to have more choices!
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    Yeah I could care less about a studded version, I want big, fast, at a reasonable weight.

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    Here is the competition's offering:

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Yeah I could care less about a studded version, I want big, fast, at a reasonable weight.
    Same here. I have Bud and Lou for grip, I need another set as big but for better roll. I will mount up a faster set of tires on another set of rims. Just don't know what tires yet. I still want some grip but need better roll for smooth trais.

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    I love my Bud and Lou but I just finished a ride on the beach. I can actually feel the knobs buzzing the sand. That's gotta be rolling resistance.
    My buddy with HuskerDus leaves me in the dust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    I love my Bud and Lou but I just finished a ride on the beach. I can actually feel the knobs buzzing the sand. That's gotta be rolling resistance.
    My buddy with HuskerDus leaves me in the dust.
    Yeah, most of our rides are on very rough rocky, gravely terrain so Nates and Bud/Lou are great for that but when we ride a milder place like the erie canal towpath, beaches, or some of the local rail trails we don't need all that aggressiveness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    no doubt you people in AK with the awesome crust rides I've seen want these but I'm thinking most places with snow either want float ~ or ~ skinny studded tires that cut down to the ice for grip. The float and ice traction together doesn't make sense here often.
    Well, I commute all winter (and ride trails) on fat tires in AK, but there's really no reason not to have studs on the fat tires, except for when one is riding in the summer. There are plenty of times when you come upon overflow on a trail that has frozen solid (or even worse, has a layer of water on top). These situations are extremely slick and studs help immensely. We can sometimes walk-around, but sometimes we have to turn back without studs due to it being too dangerous. At other times we get rain and freezing rain that goes solid in a couple days, leaving all the commute paths relatively dangerous. I don't have a problem if I go slow and stay "centered", avoiding sharp turns, but again, studs would be helpful. My next tires will likely be dillingers or something similar.

    The most prevalent use of skinny studded tires that I see here in AK is for commuting, after the snow has been cleared off the paths. They are worthless on many days where the snow has piled up on said paths.
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    Having Never been on a Dillenger, how is the dry/loose traction and how is the rolling resistance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Well, I commute all winter (and ride trails) on fat tires in AK, but there's really no reason not to have studs on the fat tires, except for when one is riding in the summer. There are plenty of times when you come upon overflow on a trail that has frozen solid (or even worse, has a layer of water on top). These situations are extremely slick and studs help immensely. We can sometimes walk-around, but sometimes we have to turn back without studs due to it being too dangerous. At other times we get rain and freezing rain that goes solid in a couple days, leaving all the commute paths relatively dangerous. I don't have a problem if I go slow and stay "centered", avoiding sharp turns, but again, studs would be helpful. My next tires will likely be dillingers or something similar.

    The most prevalent use of skinny studded tires that I see here in AK is for commuting, after the snow has been cleared off the paths. They are worthless on many days where the snow has piled up on said paths.
    I try to ride from my house most days, and the bike path here is ice flow, death, that studd front has saved me several times when the rear tire spins out. Without the studs, I doubt I would ride to the trailhead, and instead drive like so many of my riding friends. Studs extend my ride, and keep the truck parked on the weekends.

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    I've been riding Dillingers all winter and the last thing I want in them is more rolling resistance.

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    Fat Dillinger!!

    I'm on my second winter with Dillingers. Even without studs, they'd be excellent winter tires. They are definitely on the light/low rolling resistance end of the spectrum, with more than enough grip for most conditions. I love my Nates, but the Dillinger is more oftentimes the right winter tire for the job.
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    Ok. Anyone ride Dillinger's in the dirt and gravel? How do they perform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    no doubt you people in AK with the awesome crust rides I've seen want these but I'm thinking most places with snow either want float ~ or ~ skinny studded tires that cut down to the ice for grip. The float and ice traction together doesn't make sense here often.
    Float and traction makes perfect sense if you have varying conditions in the same ride like going from soft snow to icy sections. If you have studs in fat tires, when you don't need them in snow you don't even know they are there, but when the terrain changes to a section of ice or sketchy stuff, they will give you the desired grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    Ok. Anyone ride Dillinger's in the dirt and gravel? How do they perform.
    I have not see any dirt in Steamboat Springs since October. 5-8 inches expected overnight, snow currently blowing sideways.

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    I have a few internet friends that have them and they like them. They are smaller riders though, and fast regardless of what tire you put under them.

    Imho if you are smaller and concerned with speed buy them, if you are larger then they may not offer enough traction compaired to a Nate type tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    thought y'all might like to hear that it's raining with snow melting here today. Ice and slop everywhere...

    pretty good conditions for the tire I poo pooed just days ago

    can I get a haha?
    I got where you where coming from and usually studs and wide tires are counter productive.

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    Looking for Big Fat Studs? Check Out the New 45NRTH Dillinger 5!

    I don't see how 115mm=5"?

    Kinda disappointed with the size, if this is true that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Looking for Big Fat Studs? Check Out the New 45NRTH Dillinger 5!

    I don't see how 115mm=5"?



    Kinda disappointed with the size, if this is true that is.
    I agree... probably went that way to accommodate more frames than a bud/lou... Still not horrible though.

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    I don't mind seeing it a little smaller if it keeps the weight down but don't call it 5" then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I don't mind seeing it a little smaller but don't call it 5" then.
    I'm sure your wife wouldn't agree with that statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I'm sure your wife wouldn't agree with that statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by easterntide View Post
    My grip studded bud/ Lou (90 studs total) is superior as far as ice safety goes compared to my Dillingers. And I can just unscrew them when spring hits...
    I am really new to this and I sure could have used studs on my tires which could have prevented me from wiping out on black ice that wasn't visible (a layer of fine snow covering the ice covered asphalt parking lot) Would have spared me from a fractured pelvis. This has been one ROUGH winter for SE Mich.

    Removable studs intrigues me. Where can I get them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kris7047th View Post
    I am really new to this and I sure could have used studs on my tires which could have prevented me from wiping out on black ice that wasn't visible (a layer of fine snow covering the ice covered asphalt parking lot) Would have spared me from a fractured pelvis. This has been one ROUGH winter for SE Mich.

    Removable studs intrigues me. Where can I get them?
    Black ice is frost that forms on bare asphalt. We get the situation you described here a lot, snow, packed snow, or slushy packed snow due to vehicle travel (still way below freezing) over solid ice. That's one of the most dangerous situations we encounter. Even straight ice is sometimes not that bad due to the frost that forms on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Black ice is frost that forms on bare asphalt. We get the situation you described here a lot, snow, packed snow, or slushy packed snow due to vehicle travel (still way below freezing) over solid ice. That's one of the most dangerous situations we encounter. Even straight ice is sometimes not that bad due to the frost that forms on it.
    It was about 1/4" thick because of a large snow bank that had been plowed from an adjacent parking lot, melting with water running across the parking lot entrance where I was, plus buildings shading the entrance from the other side preventing it from melting until the sun made it's way around .. about noon and then it all melted away. It was SLICK. After I fell a guy in a car behind me helped me up. We both looked down and our reactions .. "WHOA ... ICE" We very carefully walked over to a pavilion where I was meeting up with friends. He didn't want to leave me, but I told him to go. My friends would be there in a few minutes. This happened on a downward slope from the street, across the parking lot .. to the pavilion which is located along a river. The parking lot was recovered some months previously so it was smooth. I was close to my destination and braking .. which no doubt caused me to wipe out on the ice. I just didn't know I was on ice.

    So .. yeah .. I am looking into getting the type of studs that can be removed, or getting a good studded tire for next year (I PRAY that we have a milder winter next year)

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    $250 studded, $175 without, available in the fall, all per this website (with a pic):
    Faster Fat Bikes, Cyclocross Debuts Among Top Hits At 'Frostbike' Show | Gear Review | Gear Junkie

    Think I'm gonna grip stud my Bud & Lou, although I hate hate hate the pricing.

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    More Info here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Half a pound heavier than the Dillinger 4, for an extra 7mm on 100mm rims. Close call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars_D View Post
    Half a pound heavier than the Dillinger 4, for an extra 7mm on 100mm rims. Close call.
    I kinda thought the same thing, I mean it's smaller than Bud and Lou with less tread height and almost the same weight. I can only armchair this one right now but pass as of right now. I was hoping to see around 1350g the same weight as the ground controls.

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    Has anyone put serious miles on their nicotines yet? These have the same studs and I can't imagine them lasting more than a season. 45nrth doesn't have the beat track record with actually testing their products before releasing them either.

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    From the 45NRTH website, it looks like the Dillinger 5 is now available for purchase. If anyone has a set, I'd love to hear how the real-world, production tires are measuring out. In my case, I'm interested in measurements on either 82mm rolling darryls or 100mm clownshoes or both, but any data could be useful.

    Pre-production data suggested that they might come in at an in-between size, in the BFL range. Hoping that's still the case.
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