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    Pepper, I love the Chesters I have on my Diamondback! Plain awesome pedals. I may put a set of orange ones on the Stolen.

    OZ, that KM is such a sweet bike! You've been a ridin' beast lately!

    While hiking, Deb did talk about getting a fat bike again, so she's definitely interested. I doubt we'll ever stop hiking, because we love it (as well as camping), but I would love to share rides with her. Speaking of which, recommendations for a sub-$1000 entry level fat bike that comes in small? She's only 5'1", so it needs to be a little beast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surly in OZ View Post
    Hi G, 41 movies is some marathon, more bike miles need to balance the equation
    I agree: My butt is sore from sitting in theaters so much. It is ameliorating that the first half of the film festival was during pretty crappy weather .. I find it best not to be out in too cold air and wet roads with the idiocy of traffic around here.

    Yesterday when I was riding it was 72°F ... shorts and t-shirt weather! ... and delightful. There are a couple of cooler, rainy days later in the week so I must make the most of the good weather while it's available. I'll be out there today again, maybe do the longer loop. I was noticing that there's a portion of the San Tomas Trail that I haven't ridden yet so it's time to explore it.

    BTW: My ever curious mind was thinking of how lovely and light weight that Santa Cruz Carbon Fiber bicycle was. Is there any like machine in the fat bike world? I've pretty much decimated my toy fund for this year already with bits for the motorcycle (not sure if you're interested in the details there, but let me know if you are and I'll tell you about it) ... but a pedal-power-only truly lightweight fat-tish bike would be a nice Xmas or Spring 2019 self-gift.

    onwards!
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    G - look at the purple Salsa Fargo 27.5 plus bike. It has 3” tires and drop bars like a road bike. I test rode one...while it is faster than a fat bike, it is still pretty sluggish for road/gravel for my tastes. A lot of people really like them though.

    If you want some thing for primarily road riding, I’d look at something like the Specialized Sequoia, AWOL or Salsa Vaya. They all have taller head tubes for a comfortable geometry and they can take a fairly larger tire compared to a road bike. A nice balance of speed and comfort in my opinion.

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    If you want a truly lightweight fat bike, look at the Sarma Shaman. 22 pounds.

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    Poking around on the notion of a lightweight fat bike, I saw this from Specialized:

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    Fatboy Comp Carbon

    Dang, that's purdy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramarren View Post
    Poking around on the notion of a lightweight fat bike, I saw this from Specialized:

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    Fatboy Comp Carbon

    Dang, that's purdy.

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    The 2017 version is on close-out at ERIK's for $2399.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyHun View Post
    The 2017 version is on close-out at ERIK's for $2399.
    Thanks!

    Well, they have one 2017 size L demo for sale at that price. If I were thinking of buying right now, and had decided on this bike, and wanted an L size, I'd snap it up. But I'm still in "feeling out the terrain" mode as well as considering that buying in December this year or January of next year is probably when I would want to do it, if I do it.

    I'm also not sure yet whether I want to go with the 4" tires on the bike, due to the compatibility problems with the VTA bus system's bicycle carriers. It might behoove me to think about a 2.5" tire as maximum width so I can take advantage of the bus transit capabilities.

    All of this stuff is very early rumination, though, so all input is helpful!

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    The Sarma is lighter, more exotic, and sells for the same price as that marked down Specialized. It's a much cooler bike, so looking for a while may well suit you.

    If you're worried about tire size and racks on mass transit, you probably want something else entirely, G.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ramarren View Post
    Poking around on the notion of a lightweight fat bike, I saw this from Specialized:

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    Hi G, well if you want a light fat bike that would be my pick. The first fat bike I rode was at a Specialised demo day. It was the top of the line carbon everything and it was an amazing ride. One day my Farley will get a set of light carbon wheels, or if Specialized ever sell fat bikes down here again I will look at something similar to this.

    If you are looking at 2.5 inch tyres I would that a look at the Surly range. The Troll and Ogre come standard with those. Not the lightest bikes but a great ride and you can make just about any changes that you want.

    In one of my LBS today and they had a great looking Breezer bike. The Radar Cafe looks like a really fun bike, I did not feel the weight but it had good size tyres and the price on the web seem to make it a bargain. Might be worth a look to see if they are for sale in your part of the woods.

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    'Course, if you really want the lightest fat bike, this little beaut weighs less than 19 pounds in certain spec (though on the Lamere site, the lightest one is 21):

    https://www.lamerecycles.com/fatbike
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    Thanks for the Surly reference, OZ. I'd not gotten to their website yet.

    I'm not monomanically obsessed with the "lightest possible" bike ... I can't (or simply won't) afford to spend what that costs. Doesn't really make sense for me anyway since I'm a big guy who rides on the street at a modest pace. Money wise: About $2000-3000 is my range.

    I'm more concerned with a particular feel and riding dynamic than I am with tire size and most other considerations. I *love* the way Sumo feels when I'm riding it, power on or off. I'd like a bike that retains that feel and is half the weight. It doesn't have to be the fastest, the lightest, or the "best" ... it has to be high quality, durable, and provide the right feel. It would be nice if it could fit in the VTA bike racks. I want 2.5" or larger tires because I don't want suspension. There is a particular set of Schwalbe 2.5" tires available in 27.5 inch that I found amazing when I test rode a bike with them ... didn't like that bike at all, but I loved those tires.

    Looking at the frame and chassis specs, that Specialized Fatboy Comp Carbon in the M or L size has almost exactly the same specs as my iZip Sumo E30 does ... that's an encouraging possibility. Lace up a set of 27.5 rims for it with those Schwalbe tires and it could be the right one.

    I'll go hunt up a local dealer who carries Specialized bikes. My friends across the street carry Trek and Santa Cruz mostly. And the same for Surly...

    Fun fun fun! The motorcycle project takes priority for the next month or two, I have a few things I need to sell to raise funds, and then I can think about whether I really want (and can find a place to store) another bicycle. But I love the fun of looking at them anyway!

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    I'm just happy you are looking at non e-bikes, G!
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    Fuse is in the shop for yearly maintenance. MLB offers a deal to get them looked over and tuned up. It gets me in the mood and ready for the riding season to bloom to full time.

    I had to get out today, sitting at work is making me crazy I have been doing stretching and core work but they aren't doing it. I got out on my Crosstrail today, it felt good...... windy and cold (39°) with some snow flurries. I need a better warm hat to ride with. I just threw the one I had on that sucked in the trash. I can't wait for spring.

    Be safe everyone.

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    I don't envy you easterners the cold.

    Here's my new ride. Front has a flat, so I'll get that fixed shortly. Crazy how pure the BMX geometry is.

    I took off the top tube decals. Blah.

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    Edit: Flat fixed ... now, to sort out whether I'll keep that dinky saddle ...
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    DH: I like all bikes, all two-wheelers, really. I love to ride, been riding since I was eight—riding anything with two wheels. Being disabled to where I couldn't sit on a motorcycle or ride a bicycle was like having half of my heart ripped out with a rusty fork. It took a long time to get back.

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    Had a fun time visiting bike shops around the area here that sell Specialized brand bikes. Met a few really nice people at the shops. One of them specializes more in mountain and trail biking ... and turned out to be really well informed, helpful folks. They came up with several new ideas to think about. Learned a good bit from talking with all of them.

    No one had the Specialized Fatboy Comp Carbon in stock for me to look at or test ride, unfortunately. I did see the 3" tired model ... the Specialized Fuse ... in several different versions. hmm hmm hmmmm.

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    Hi Chief hope you get an early spring, you guys seem to have had a real hammering the last month or so.

    I suppose it will make the spring rides all the sweeter.

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    Hi DH, looks like trouble

    You won't be sitting down much so give the saddle a run before you swap it out.

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    Hi G, ah bike shops I find it best to avoid them as they always seem to have something I never knew I needed to I see it on the rack

    I would have looked a Specialized Fuse had they been around when I was putting the Monkey together. I see a guy getting around town on his and he is always having fun.

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    Hi Pepper, I came across something today when looking to add a bottle cage to the fork of my Farley.

    Goggle up "Gorilla Cage" from Free Parable, its a neat mounting system that converts the single point to a three bolt system. And they make a neat bag and strap accessory to go with it. Might let you take some of the load out of your backpack.

    The prices seem very reasonable too for $88 in OZ you get the mount, dry bag and strap system. I will be talking to my LBS about one.

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    Hi everyone, picked the Farleys wheel up this morning and I am keen for a sunset ride soon, sorry Chief and Mike you won't want to hear this but the heat is a killer at the moment. A late burst of summer the next few days with temps in the high 30's C (100F) so I hope it cools down late and I can give the Farley a much needed spin.

    Well the Monkey looks like I will be adding a suspension fork to it, an X Fusion McQueen. My LBS recommended it to me and just done some research on it and looks great. Now just about timing it right with my much better half

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surly in OZ View Post
    Hi Pepper, I came across something today when looking to add a bottle cage to the fork of my Farley.

    Goggle up "Gorilla Cage" from Free Parable, its a neat mounting system that converts the single point to a three bolt system. And they make a neat bag and strap accessory to go with it. Might let you take some of the load out of your backpack.

    The prices seem very reasonable too for $88 in OZ you get the mount, dry bag and strap system. I will be talking to my LBS about one.

    OZ.
    I've seen that one before
    On amazon.com it's $36.95 US.
    I think I'm in pretty good shape and now it's just getting out for an overnight next month to see if I want to make any changes.
    Then there's always the cage in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmKAZ5qlqvE - it was this video and the Growler kickstarter that made me really interested in fatbikes a couple years ago
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyHun View Post
    Pepper, I love the Chesters I have on my Diamondback! Plain awesome pedals. I may put a set of orange ones on the Stolen.
    I have RaceFace pedals on all my bikes for now - have really liked them: the Trek and Kona have Chesters and the Growler has the Aeffects. I can't say I prefer one over the other in terms of ride or feel. The Aeffects have a visual appeal and are a little lighter and I got a good deal on them. Still, hard to go wrong with Chesters.
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    DH...that is an awesome bike. My son is an ex-bmxer. He would love that.

    G...the Fuse bikes are nice. I test rode a Fuse Comp. I had it narrowed down to the Fuse and Timberjack. Very similar bikes. There were minor things I liked more on the TJ but the main reason I bought the TJ is I prefer that LBS. I am sure I would have been very happy with the Fuse as well.

    Here is my TJ. Pretty much stock except for the saddle, grips and it is tubeless. Cool thing about having the front suspension is that you can lock it out on smoother surfaces for more efficiency.


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    Nice!

    Having fun doing research ... was looking at the Breezer, Salsa, Sara, and Surly websites. There are good bike shops around here that carry all of these makes, although most don't generally have the fat bikes in stock (they sell better over the hill in Santa Cruz, not here in Silicon Ditch).

    Since I only ride on street or hardpack dirt roads that are well graded, the extra weight incurred by a suspension fork is something I'd rather avoid. Of course, I could buy something that is otherwise suitable and swap out the fork. I test rode a bike with the Schwalbe Moto-X 2.5" tires once upon a time and while I hated the bike, the tires were superb ... so a 27.5 with these tires would do me well. But the bikes that appeal to me most are the 4x26" models, it seems, so I have to decide whether I really need/want the VTA bus transit capability.

    Fun fun fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surly in OZ View Post
    Hi DH, looks like trouble

    You won't be sitting down much so give the saddle a run before you swap it out.

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    Hey, OZ. Love reading your updates!

    I have tried the saddle out and found it wanting. This will be its replacement:

    https://www.sourcebmx.com/en/us/Ecla...yABEgJUnfD_BwE

    I do actually intend to ride about seated at times, and the stock saddle is horrid.

    Terry, I never raced BMX, but I loved the bikes I built as a kid, and this thing is definitely a Wayback Machine! I need to start practicing manuals.
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    On another note, we looked at the Fuji Wendigo 2.3 for my girlfriend, but its standover is still too high by quite a bit. I'm seriously considering getting her a Framed Mini-Sota, which I think would be perfect for her.
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    Another fun time today visiting bike shops and looking at stuff.

    No one yet seems to have any of the Salsa models in stock to look at. I saw the Specialized Fuse ... pretty nice, better without the suspension front end, though. Also have a Santa Cruz model that looks good, could do that as a frame-up build with a carbon fork that would put it in the right price range etc. Another possible is a leftover Specialized Crave SL build-up: aluminum frame, fixed carbon fork, add a cassette and derailleur, etc, could come out very low for a very light and sporty little beast...

    So many possibilities! It's fun to learn and explore them while I decide on what I really might want ... and then whether I really want to spend the money for it.

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    Oh yes: one of the dealers had the Breezer brand in stock. I looked at a couple, looked nice, but I could tell that they weren't too keen on selling them. Just no real passion for the brand there ... they were more interested to show me a Marin and a Transit. (Both of which were pretty nice anyway.) But again, little in the fat bike realm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramarren View Post
    Oh yes: one of the dealers had the Breezer brand in stock. I looked at a couple, looked nice, but I could tell that they weren't too keen on selling them. Just no real passion for the brand there ... they were more interested to show me a Marin and a Transit. (Both of which were pretty nice anyway.) But again, little in the fat bike realm.

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    Marin has a nice 27.5+ bike in their lineup, the Pine Mountain. They even sell a version with a rigid fork for under $1000. But you're right, LOTS of options!

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    So, the brand new Stolen needed a new chain. The one they shipped it with was too short. So I bought an orange KMC 510!

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    Wow, is this thing a workout! Definitely ride more out of the saddle, since even with the seatpost at maximum extension, you ride with your knees caressing your ribs. I rode it about three miles around the neighborhood. Very different ride from either of the other two bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ramarren View Post
    Another fun time today visiting bike shops and looking at stuff.

    No one yet seems to have any of the Salsa models in stock to look at. I saw the Specialized Fuse ... pretty nice, better without the suspension front end, though. Also have a Santa Cruz model that looks good, could do that as a frame-up build with a carbon fork that would put it in the right price range etc. Another possible is a leftover Specialized Crave SL build-up: aluminum frame, fixed carbon fork, add a cassette and derailleur, etc, could come out very low for a very light and sporty little beast...

    So many possibilities! It's fun to learn and explore them while I decide on what I really might want ... and then whether I really want to spend the money for it.
    I'm riding a Fuse and love it. I get back on my Crosstrail too.

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    Our early spring was in February. We had some great days, 60's, 70's and lots of 50's. March has chilled it down a bit and been windy. The trails I usually ride are wet and soft. Less water and some sun will help that. I'm waiting, not patiently mind you. I've been out a few days and have enjoyed it. The wind has been a pain, but it's better than being stuck inside.

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    It looks like it's going to be overcast and chilly all day, but not raining. So maybe I can get a ride in today. That would make me happy! It would have been nice to ride yesterday, there were periods of sun and dry, but I was caught up in getting the car sorted out (new front wheel bearings and alignment) and busy visiting bike shops while it was in the shop. Can only do so much...

    Yeah, the wind or rain is usually the stopping factor. I don't mind the chill, but being blown about or soaked does not make me happy.

    My pedal-only bike search is getting narrower. I want to see three bikes ... It's a pain that so few of the ones I'm interested in are available at any of the local dealers. I'll have to go farther afield just to look at them.

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    I ordered a set of CST Cheyennes for the Zeke. I don't like street tires on a BMX bike. They limit where you can go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyHun View Post
    I ordered a set of CST Cheyennes for the Zeke. I don't like street tires on a BMX bike. They limit where you can go.
    LOL! DH, you and I have such utterly, totally different notions of what we're into these bike for... .

    Three more bike shops today. The field is narrowing down quite a lot when I started researching tires. There are very few fat street tires for the 27.5 rim diameter ... no Black Floyds, Schwalbe Moto-X up to 3" only, etc. Also, I measured the rack on a bus today: even a 3" won't fit. 2.13 will, and 2.5 can be squeezed on. What this means is that the one complete bike that incurs the minimum effort to have what I want is the Specialized Fatboy Comp Carbon, likely in a medium size frame. It has all the right equipment already, just have to change out the tires, seat, and grips like I did with the Sumo.

    The only other realistic option, I think, is to buy a frame only and build up what I want from there. That can be a fun exercise, although I suspect that it will cost more than what the SFCC would cost. Whether it would be as good a result ... well, that just depends on how well I researched all the bits and know how they'd work together.

    One of the shops today had the Salsa Mukluk on the floor, but one of the models with the suspension fork. Nice looking bike regardless!

    Fun fun fun. But it's time to put this aside for a bit and let it percolate in my hind brain. Also, the MotoGP of Qatar is this weekend and the first day's practice is available to watch now...

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    Once upon a time, Moto GP was interesting, much like Formula 1. Alas, it really hasn't been for some time, IMO. The personalities that made it great are largely gone.

    Got out on the Zeke again. Ordered a longer seat post and a different saddle, too. Tuning it for constant short haul (less than 10 mile) use.

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    Hi everyone, bike is looking great DH bet its a fun ride, in small doses

    G building bikes from a frame is fun if you like looking and researching all the parts. Will likely cost more than a complete build, and you can only blame yourself if something is not right

    Case in point my Monkey is getting a X fusion fork soon and possibly a dropper post. Thats the thing with bikes get the right frame and build or change it to suit you.

    Anyway I have my sons car for a few weeks so I took the chance to throw my F/S bike in the back and drive over to Awaba Mountain Bike park. I have ridden the Monkey over that way but never bothered with the trail network. Ended up riding a ten km loop with plenty of up and down. I was testing some Schwable tyres, Smart Sams in this case worked out great. The Ergon grips where the star of the day, plenty of padding and with the bar ends built in not cool but very comfortable.

    A picture of the trails.

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    Have a great weekend.

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    Cheers, OZ. Definitely a short haul bike, but damn if it isn't a right blast to crank on.

    Love the look of that trail system. Nothing like that here in the desert, though up in Flagstaff there are some nice wooded trails.

    I'll probably take the Zeke and bopp to breakfast tomorrow morning, and then take the behemoth out to Desert Classic on Sunday.

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    Another area of this bike that needs upgrading is braking: The brakes are in adjustment-and plain suck. The bike is disc brake compatible, but I'm thinking of getting a much better U-brake out back-and then looking at running a front brake.
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    OZ! That trail looks like great fun!

    Quote Originally Posted by Surly in OZ View Post
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    G building bikes from a frame is fun if you like looking and researching all the parts. Will likely cost more than a complete build, and you can only blame yourself if something is not right

    Case in point my Monkey is getting a X fusion fork soon and possibly a dropper post. Thats the thing with bikes get the right frame and build or change it to suit you.
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    Yes, it's what I've always done with motorcycles and bicycles: get the right basic bits, modify the rest to suit. Two wheelers are wonderful this way, four wheelers get way too complicated and expensive—I've done it but only at tremendous cost.

    I've spent some time looking at the Sarma Shaman GX Eagle as well this afternoon/evening. I'm a little leery of the service and support issues with direct sales only for a bike manufactured in Russia. It sure looks like both a good deal and a good bike, and would be perfect as a base for a build up from a frame set.

    But I'm still leaning most towards the Specialized Fatboy Comp Carbon. I've got to find a dealer who has one in stock.

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    What gets lost in the hand selected build sheet is that a bike isn't just off the shelf, it's the owner's personal creation.
    Sometimes a select build can be brought in well under budget based on the price of a complete from the same source as the frame. Careful shopping can get components less expensive and of higher quality.

    In the end, you end up with your very own creation as opposed to someone else's creation. Rewarding? Yus, as a matter of fact, it is highly rewarding.

    Things to keep in mind are component sizes that are compatible, such as axle length, seat post size and BB shell width to name a few. Knowing the specifications of the frame and fork chosen are imperative to a successful build.

    My bikes are all of custom component selection for that unique ride.

    G, stop and think carefully! A "3" tire" is rarely 3" in the real world! My 2 pair of Nobby Nic 3.0's are literally 2.7 according to my L. S. Starrett caliper as mounted on i45's @12 psi. Around these parts the bike capable buses have arms with divots that you rest the top tube of the frame on and straps are provided, allowing even Sumo to catch the L...

    DH, that little BMX is looking like a fun factory! Can you say Street Session?? There hasta be some good sections in your town for it! Be observant in your travels for good elements that need ridden by us grey haired bastages!!

    OZ, that trail is waiting for the 3.0's and a wide open throttle rip through the curves!!
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    I build most of my bikes from the frame up. Although I did buy my fatbike and Timberjack as completes. I can’t say I’ve ever really mananged to save money building my own bikes. For me, I just enjoy doing the work and putting something together that is uniquely mine.

    Oz nice looking trails. Maybe a trip back there with the monkey when you get the front suspension?

    I got in a cold and very windy ride on the Vaya a couple of days ago. I think Mother Nature had it out for me. No matter which direction I turned, I had a stiff headwind. Even a tough day on the bike is better than not riding! Two weeks till my first biking overnight of 2018.

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    Thanks everyone, yep building from the frame up is fun,costly but fun and indeed having the end result like no other is great.

    On the Movie front G, my wife and I avoided the worst of the heat this afternoon and went to see "Three billboards outside Ebbing Missouri" not often a movie lives up to the hype, but this one did truly excellent.

    Banshee and Terry, I hope to have the Monkey over there tomorrow if I can swing the car as the temps forecast mean the a very early start will be required. And I will be taking a proper camera as there are some very nice sections of trail to snap.

    The price of the X fusion fork is cheap enough compared to Fox/Rockshox options that I might be able to swing a X fusion dropper post onto the Monkey at the same time. Riding the F/S bike today with a dropper post highlights to me the advantage of one. It really made some sections of the trails much more manageable for me to ride.

    Was going to have a late night watching the Milan San Remo race, however this year it does not seem to be broadcast on free TV down here. Not too upset, although if thats the case with the Paris Roubaix in a few weeks this baby will be throwing the toys out of the cot

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    Wade, don't make me show you my left shin after some (bad) practice bunny hopping off curbs!

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    G, the disadvantage of Sarma is counterbalanced by the fairly big reduction in cost (compared to other bikes). How cool it would be to own a Siberian fat bike!

    OZ, I still enjoy watching bicycle racing. Something about it remains majestic-and the athleticism is beyond description. Did you happen to see Icarus? I really enjoyed that film. Three Billboards is FANTASTIC (though I'll admit to having been happy that The Shape of Water won the best film Oscar). Just saw Annihilation after reading the trilogy it is based on. I think that film is available to you on Netflix. If you enjoy heady sci-fi and haven't seen it, check it out.

    I got a set of cool little strap on lights with my Zeke order. I'm sipping coffee, but will probably strap those on soon and head out for a pre-sunrise breakfast burrito.
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    OZ, what a great looking place to ride. That's making want my Fuse back from the shop even more to get into the trails that I can ride here now in this wind. The thin tires on my Crosstrail are getting into the mud and making it tough going in the soft conditions.

    I tinker with stuff on my bikes I don't have the room, know how or the ability to pick all the parts for a self build..... or patience. I have fishing gear spread out for the season getting ready to start in the basement. Hooks to replace on lures.
    The shed is full of yard gear being stored over the winter.

    Can't wait to ride today. I'm hoping to get a call from my LBS today or tomorrow that it's done and get a ride there and then ride the Fuse the 15 miles down the canal to home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    What gets lost in the hand selected build sheet is that a bike isn't just off the shelf, it's the owner's personal creation.
    Sometimes a select build can be brought in well under budget based on the price of a complete from the same source as the frame. Careful shopping can get components less expensive and of higher quality.

    In the end, you end up with your very own creation as opposed to someone else's creation. Rewarding? Yus, as a matter of fact, it is highly rewarding.

    Things to keep in mind are component sizes that are compatible, such as axle length, seat post size and BB shell width to name a few. Knowing the specifications of the frame and fork chosen are imperative to a successful build.
    Not lost on me... I love building things for these very reasons!

    However, experience doing so has only very rarely ended up being less expensive. But that's not so much of an issue. The real issue is that I have very little space to work in, to store extra components and tools required, and the investment in all those tools for what will likely be a one-time job is way out of proportion to the gains I'll get from doing the job, regardless of how satisfying the job might be.

    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    G, stop and think carefully! A "3" tire" is rarely 3" in the real world! My 2 pair of Nobby Nic 3.0's are literally 2.7 according to my L. S. Starrett caliper as mounted on i45's @12 psi. Around these parts the bike capable buses have arms with divots that you rest the top tube of the frame on and straps are provided, allowing even Sumo to catch the L...
    Well, the other way is often true as well: The Black Floyd's on Sumo are sized as 26x3.80 inch, for instance, but on the bike they measure 4.2" wide. They don't fit the channel at all, the tire ends up sitting on the edge of the channel lip at best. And the hold-down arms with divots don't fit the bike well at all because of the steep drop of the top tube from head to the short seat tube... both of the potential fat bike frames I'm looking at have a similar steeply angled top tube very similar to Sumo.

    For all these reasons, discarding the notion that I will always be able to use the transit system bike racks, knowing the available street tires that will be suitable, and looking for a complete bike that is as close to what I want in geometry, feel, and equipment to start with become the necessary starting point for this endeavor. I've found three other available tires besides the Black Floyds that will be suitable—all 26x4.00 nominally—so that becomes the starting point.

    Analyzing the frame specifications, the closest to Sumo I see is the Sarma Shaman GX Eagle and then the Specialized Fatboy Comp Carbon. Both are a little more close coupled spec, would seem to be a little faster handling, SFCC a little moreso; that's not necessarily a bad thing.

    Equipment-wise: Both as complete bike builds come with Sram GX Eagle, derailleur, shifter (12 speed), and Sram Level TL hydraulic disk brakes. Sumo has a Shimano derailleur and shifter (Shimano SLX M670; 10 speed)) and Tektro M735 hydraulic disk brakes. Any preferences there? Since I haven't found either of these bikes to test ride yet, I have no personal experience to bank on. I really like the controls on Sumo.

    Fun fun fun...

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    SRAM hydraulic brakes have been only so-so historically. For hydraulics, Shimano generally comes out on top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyHun View Post
    SRAM hydraulic brakes have been only so-so historically. For hydraulics, Shimano generally comes out on top.
    Swapping from Shimano to hope was like equipping a Toyota SR5 with brakes from a one ton Ford Super Duty.

    And ya need a hell of a lot more scars on dem shins, Mr.!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyHun View Post
    SRAM hydraulic brakes have been only so-so historically. For hydraulics, Shimano generally comes out on top.
    I found a direct comparison of the Tektro M735 disk brakes against the top line Shimano offering last Spring when I bought Sumo. That report concluded that the Shimano had very slightly better ultimate stopping power than the Tektro, but that the Tektro had superior feel and were easier to modulate. The Tektro also use mineral oil rather than brake fluid, which is more environmentally friendly and less likely to cause damage if there is a spill. They ended up recommending the Tektros on that basis.

    I have no info yet on these SRAM brakes. I'll have to see if I can find some similar bike that uses them and test ride with them. I have no desire to spend money unnecessarily, but I really love how Sumo's brakes work! For a large, heavy bicycle, it stops superbly and the feel is terrific, even from way up past the 20mph assist limit. If I don't like the SRAMs, I'd swap to them in a jiffy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    Swapping from Shimano to hope was like equipping a Toyota SR5 with brakes from a one ton Ford Super Duty.

    And ya need a hell of a lot more scars on dem shins, Mr.!!
    I'm workin' on it!

    Hey, buddy: Supposedly the Zeke is disc brake ready. I think I want to replace the rear brake with a disc. Any idea what kit might work?
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    G, my big beast has TRP mechanical discs and I like them fine and dandy. I'm very much not sold on hydraulics at all for the sheer love of simplicity.
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    Not a debate... I just prefer the feel and low maintenance of hydraulic brakes.

    Love the Tektros on the Sumo! The way they can haul the 56 lb bike and my 250 lbs down from a 30 mph downhill blast to a stop with absolute control using four fingers is just astonishing. They out-brake several of the older motorcycles I once had.

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    Not debating a bit. Just not a fan of hydraulics on bikes while very much a fan of disc brakes.

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    A Farley day's out...

    Hi everyone, the planed return to the Watagans did not happen this morning and with a beautiful day dawning and the winds kind the Farley came off the rack for a spin along the beach.

    One thing about riding on sand it does not matter about your brakes because if you stop peddling you stop on a dime

    I took the entrance just over halfway along the beach and stopped to air down the tyres, 3 and 4 psi in this case.

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    As you can see in the background 4wd love this beach as its one of the few open to driving on. And many come up from Sydney to drive on the sand, and promptly get bogged. My son and his mates spend plenty of time dragging new 4wd's out of the super soft sand. Most of them don't know about letting air out of their tyres and get stuck as soon as they hit the sand. And as you can see from the next few photos the beach has been chopped to pieces and on a fat bike its a tough ride.

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    I want to ride down that hill one day but with all those ruts its a recipe for trouble.

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    As you get further north on the beach the 4wd's are not allowed to travel and the beach is taken over by people walking their dogs. And the riding gets much easier.

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    Managed not to get chased this morning

    Soon I reached the cliff face at the Northern end of the beach and took this view to the south.

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    Did I mention that the tide was high this morning, had to dodge a few waves along the way.

    Before I left the beach a few photos at the Shark Tower needed to be taken.

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    The rocks and tower are a photographers favourite around here, on any given sunrise or set you will spot a few hoping for a great sky backdrop, me included

    Looking south with surfers and lifesavers enjoying the morning.

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    Off the beach and air up the tyres and head for home along the Fernleigh track. I took a posted track that in spring is full of wild flowers, today it was just peaceful away from it all.

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    The track was sandy and narrow as it twisted and turned on its self. None of the trees had trunks bigger than your arm, until I came across this beautiful sight.

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    An absolute highlight of the day, the perfect peaceful place.

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    A great way to end the ride that all happens so close to home. They call Australia the lucky country and sometimes thats right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyHun View Post
    I'm workin' on it!

    Hey, buddy: Supposedly the Zeke is disc brake ready. I think I want to replace the rear brake with a disc. Any idea what kit might work?
    The majority of disc systems will work, provided the frame/fork has the mounts in place. Adapters will take care of fitment and rotor choices.

    For those that have issue with hydraulic brakes on bikes, I refuse to ever own another set of cable stoppers for a multitude of reasons, not limited to the lack of silky smooth operation. There are wild claims that DOT systems don't work in subzero conditions, utterly and patently false!
    Is DOT better than mineral oil or vice versa, no, they both perform excellently. Mineral oil can be sluggish in very cold temps but still works.
    DOT fluid is easier to deal with since cleanup is plain water.
    As for maintenance, my collection of bikes has been trouble free for years of service.

    Most importantly, setup and proper alignment is imperative to braking performance. Yus! I am very particular with brakes.
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    My touring and bikepacking bikes have mechanicals. I carry a spare shift and brake cable. I have zero interest in having hydraulic brake issues when I’m a day or two from a bike shop and carrying a basic tool kit.

    I always run hydraulics on my mountain bikes. Can’t beat the stopping power...

    No “right” answer in my opinion....just depends on the application

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    I just want nothing to do with leaks, broken lines, fittings, etc. that could come from a get-off. I cut my teeth on cantilevers and then V-brakes, so mechanical discs are beauts to me and I don't want to go beyond a larger rotor and some experimentation with pad compounds.
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    I've never, in many years had a leak, let alone and broken hose, fitting ore otherwise. I do run organic pads on my rigs for the holding power they possess over metallic or sintered pads.

    And, if I do ever hafta deal with brake issues, there is no bike shop that I entrust the job to other than my office.

    I do still own an original Mongoose Cos Cruiser from the dawn of Mongoose' time... With Mafac anti's (Still to this day one of the lightest cant's ever produced) Pfft! Rim scrubbers, how ever so primitive!!
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    I'm beginning to realize that I like primitive.

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    I do all my wrenching as well, but I don’t carry my workshop with me on a bikepacking trip. I carry a fairly basic toolkit.....Multi tool, mini leatherman, quick link, a few zip ties, some duct tape wrapped around the pump, etc. Trust me, if given the option of riding or pushing the next 200 miles, you’ll visit any bike shop you can find.

    Rarely do folks have issues with brakes in general, although last summer my buddy clipped a hydraulic brake line on a local trail...so it does happen. To me, the ease of repair and amount of tools needed to fix mechanicals make it a no brainer for bikepacking or touring. So that’s what I went with when I did the builds. Some agree, others don’t.......

    I prefer hydaulic brakes for mountain biking in general. I have them on four of my other bikes.
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    OZ! Lovely ride, nice pictures too.

    It was a somewhat chilly and blustery day yesterday, but I was itching to roll, my legs were feeling lumpy from a week's worth of miserable weather and mucking about with the car. So I went out for a fast jog in the afternoon for a small variation on my usual loop, expecting to get a bit wet. The clouds were pretty threatening as I headed towards San Jose; I was sprinkled on several times, dropping my temperature even further. But I pushed on and enjoyed the sensation of drifting the bike through a few corners on the damp streets—Woo Hoo! Felt like it does in the dry on the motorcycle! and that was with the power assist completely off!

    On the way back after the turnabout, the wind started to kick up but the sky in front of me was clearer. I used a little bit of power as the wind shifted into a headwind at various moments ... One section had me storming up a bit of the path to the park exit and executing a neat little "slide and skid" turn on the switchback at the crest of the little hill. There were a couple of cyclists sitting on the bench there, taking a rest, and I got a little cheer for my efforts, I rang the bell for them as a thank you. Then pound up to full speed, over the railroad bridge, and burn down the back streets to home before another cloudburst opens up just as I rolled Sumo into the front door of my building.

    Great little ride, 10.7 miles in 52 minutes, about 85% power off. I know my legs are ready for a pedal-only bike now: They can surely handle it if I can do that with a 56 lb beast like Sumo.

    I'm almost certain that I'm going to go with the Specialized Fatboy Comp Carbon. It has all the equipment I want (save the Black Floyd tires and Ergon grips) just as it rolls out of the dealer, it has geometry very close to Sumo but just a little bit faster/more close-coupled, and the dealer I talked with about it (Mike's Bikes in Mountain View) seem like good reasonable folks who will give me a good deal. Two decisions remain: which color (the electric green or the nightshade black; I wish the red was still available but that was a 2016-2017 color) and which size (M or L). The only problem with choosing the latter is that no bike shop within 100 miles has any in stock for a test ride... It should weigh in at about 26-28 lbs total and will feel like a feather next to Sumo.

    onwards!
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    As I said: No debate on the brake type for me. I prefer the hydraulics for my riding; I'm not considering any bike or frame-up build that doesn't include hydraulic disk brakes.

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    And for urban riding, I can see why you would want hydraulics, since our cars and motorcycles use them to great effect. I'm sure they are better, but my bicycles will all remain mechanical in the braking department.

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    Fantastic season-opener MotoGP race this morning! Outstanding racing ... first to third place podium finishes separated by only .8 seconds, down to about 10th place covered within just less than 15 seconds of the winner! Peak speed by the winner just a shave shy of 218 mph. Intense final lap with three swaps by the racer leaders! Very very cool stuff!

    And it's warmer than yesterday, and dry outdoors. Time for a ride.

    onwards,
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    Hmm ... Color choices ...

    black:
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    I wish last year's red was still available, but either of these is pretty nice anyway.

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    Okay ... Green: I'm drawn to both of them for different reasons, but the Green will enhance visibility on the road. And a Medium size frame.

    Now to work on "when" ... and what price I'll get for it. Time to go back to the dealer for a bit of a chat.

    Of course, I'm also looking to see if any good, clean used 2017s are available. I'm not against saving some money. But in the 2018s, they did upgrade it to a 12 speed rather than a 10 speed, and they moved up a notch on the disk brake system components too.

    I took Sumo for about a 15 mile ride today, running a different route then my usual loop. I turned power on for a total of less than a thousand feet of that, to speed up launch at a couple of busy intersections; this is, to me, where Sumo's weight poses the most difficulty in riding power off. I was just practicing to see what to expect of my legs on a longer ride without the electric assist. It's not a fair comparison because Sumo is so much heavier, but it gives me an idea...

    No problems, fifteen miles with a half-hour break for a light lunch (half sandwich, cup of soup) in the middle of it didn't wipe me out, it just got me a little bit tired and sweaty. This is good. My quads were burning a bit as I arrived home, a good burn.

    Full steam ahead, damn the torpedoes!

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    Other than riding the BMX bike to get groceries this morning, I didn't do much bike related stuff. We went to a movie dinner showing of Strange Brew tonight with incredible Canadian food and some of the most incredible beers on the planet.

    Taking the Zeke to work with me in the van tomorrow. Going to get out and ride on my break.
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    Thanks G, its hard to take a bad photo on a morning such as that.

    As for you Fatboy, if the 2018 is not a stretch I would go that way, the upgrade to Eagle is worth the price alone.

    I would have the safety Green model myself and I would have the LBS install a dropper post. They are not just for rowdy single track, they make getting on and off the bike much easier.

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    Hi OZ!

    I've lined up most of the funding for the 2018 FCC already, now it's more a matter of dickering with the dealers to get a decent price and placing the order. The one hesitation remains: I haven't even seen one in the flesh to test ride, and I'm a little uncomfortable buying an expensive bicycle without a test ride. An inventory search shows none in stock anywhere within 100 miles or more. That will be part of my negotiation with the dealer...

    I saw the Fuse model has a dropper post fitted as standard, it looked interesting and like it might be useful even to me for street riding. I'll add that to my set of things to discuss with the dealer. Hmm:

    • Bike itself
    • Surly Black Floyd tires
    • Ergon grips
    • Better seat if it needs it
    • Dropper post
    • Fit an odometer/speedometer unit (I like having a distance and speed readout)



    I have a second set of mounts for my running lights so I can swap them from the Sumo to the FCC in a minute. I have to look into getting a second link-lock carrier for the FCC so I can do the same with the ABUS link lock.

    Getting excited now.

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    Hey everyone. Im new around here. Just picked up my first Fatty about a month ago. Got one for both the wife an I. My first bike since my early teens (Currently 30). Wanted one for some additional exercise and as another activity that my wife, daughter and I can enjoy as a family. I was 307 lbs when I first got the fatty and am already down to 288. It's been a blast so far hauling my daughter around in the Weehoo bike trailer around some mild paths and beginner trails. The wife and I are going to start adventuring out to some more rugged terrain and really enjoying these bikes.

    This is my 2018 Motobecane Lurch FS. Yes I know the controversy with Bikes Direct but its been a great ride so far and I plan to upgrade down the road.
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    Dtrimpi87: There may be controversy about BD elsewhere, but none here. Nice looking rig! Welcome to OldBear's channel. And congrats on the weight loss. You have come to the right thread with some very nice folks from all over the globe to cheer on your efforts!!!!

    SurlyInOz: I can feel the warm breeze coming from your photos; keep them coming, please. They give some of us hope that yes, one day, spring and summer will one day come.....

    G: Nice looking bike there; can't wait to here of your ride reports on that ride.


    I'm working on my wireless hotspot that has been throttled down as I have exceeded my monthly data maximum. But there is a ride report to share, so I will try to post that up, using this 256 data speed in the next post.....

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    Ride Report for 19 March 2018--Lock 1 Towpath Damage Report

    Destination: Homebase to Lock 1, Delaware & Raritan Canal Towpath at Bordentown, NJ, northbound to Trenton, NJ, then a side trip into historic RiverView Cemetery in Trenton, then street running back to Bordentown, then home.....

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    Miles:25.5
    Average Speed/Maximum Speed: 10.8/27.7mph
    Odometer: 3940 miles
    Range remaining in battery on High motor control setting: 16 miles/37%
    Motor Controller Setting: High
    Weather: Mostly sunny. Slight breeze Cold, 45 degrees estimated

    Notes: First ride since the last ride report made here........Cold once again, wore multi shirts/vest/balaclava under helmet/winter riding gloves.............Winter still will not let go............Northeaster Storm Number 4 for March is on tap for Wednesday of this week. Tomorrow is a rain event, followed by the Nor'Easter.............Snow totals predicted for this area? 4 to 8 inches..............Lots of downed trees, broken tree limbs and tons of power outages from last Nor'easter last week with more to come this week............Pretty much done with winter around here. Wanted to get this ride in before the fun times of shoveling super-heavy snow on Wednesday, lol............I wanted to see what happened to the Lock 1 towpath following this unprecedented round of coastal storms hit this area; before this next one makes a muddy mess of the paths. So here goes...........

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    Lock 1 Lock Chamber, D&R Canal Towpath, Bordentown, NJ. I am going to be real interested to see if the state park personnel address this downed tree that has fallen into the lock chamber. NJ is basically tapped out of money, despite it being one of the most highly taxed states in the USA. At a minimum, it is unsightly. The Lock 1 portion of what is considered a state park is the red headed stepchild to the more popular D&R towpath that runs from the Princeton, NJ area to New Brunswick in addition to the feeder canal that runs from Scudders Falls, NJ to Frenchtown NJ. This towpath does not see the bike traffic those other two canal towpaths do....
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    Uh oh. Just a couple hundred feet from the Lock 1 pedestrian bridge over the historic but abandoned Lock 1 lock chamber....
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    The problem is this: I usually don't bring the key to unlock the battery from the frame. And this bike ain't no carbon fiber 20lb beauty. It's times like this that helps settle the argument about ebikes being either a bike or motorbike. Lifting it up & over this mess makes it a mini-motorcycle. But that's okay; for those vines on the side of the tree are poisonous. I had to break some of the branches away as I did not want them brushing against my face while lifting this thing over. Note to self: next time.....bring the freaking bloody battery key.

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    Ride Report for 19 March 2018--Lock 1 Towpath Damage Report Part 2

    Part one was cut short as this wireless tripped off, so here we go.....
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    Next downed tree, northbound. Old tree, too. The hole where the roots once were were a good 4 feet down.
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    The sad thing of this, I suppose, is the old stone work for the canal walls were likely breached by this tree breaking loose. This stone work can be seen by a canoer or kayaker in the old canal itself. I doubt any towpath walker or bicyclist on the towpath has a clue as to the stone walls; made by Irish laborers who also dug out this canal by hand. Another time, another age.
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    Northbound on the towpath and this one has seen it's root system ripped out. Just a matter of time before the next storm or wind event drops it into the old canal. Maybe this storm coming this week......
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    Final knockdown, a hundred feet south of the North end entrance of the towpath, at Duck Island, Trenton, NJ. Like it was just peeled from the tree. The ground in our area has been super-saturated with rain and snow melt; coupled with the heavy snows and winds from these storms.....Really makes one think about venturing on this towpath in windy weather; you just never know when these things could come down.

    I did not want to revisit lifting this tank-bike over that mess near Bordentown, so I bucked up and went inside Trenton to get back to Bordentown at Route 206......down Lalor Street and onto South Broad Street. A note of thanks to the brain dead Fed Ex Driver who was stopped at the Independence Plaza as I was proceeding down South Broad at about 19-20 mph.....Driver looks at me and still decides he's gonna come out onto South Broad and in an instant decided he was gonna lose his job if he tee-boned me. At this moment, I too had my back brakes locked as this SOB was pulling out right in front of me. And that, my friends, is how quick your day can end badly......

    Hope your rides are less adventurous then mine....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dtrimpi87 View Post
    Hey everyone. Im new around here. Just picked up my first Fatty about a month ago. Got one for both the wife an I. My first bike since my early teens (Currently 30). Wanted one for some additional exercise and as another activity that my wife, daughter and I can enjoy as a family. I was 307 lbs when I first got the fatty and am already down to 288. It's been a blast so far hauling my daughter around in the Weehoo bike trailer around some mild paths and beginner trails. The wife and I are going to start adventuring out to some more rugged terrain and really enjoying these bikes.

    This is my 2018 Motobecane Lurch FS. Yes I know the controversy with Bikes Direct but its been a great ride so far and I plan to upgrade down the road.
    Welcome to the Bear channel! As a matter of fact, The Bear himself has a BD issue bike! What matters here is that you're getting out and taking care of yourself and having a good time doing so. As you are just starting out, work yourself up carefully so you get stronger and healthier without injury. Good job on beginning the weight loss! Fat has never been so good.
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    Welcome Dtrimpi87!

    Shedding that excess weight feels so good, I know. My high water mark was 315 ... I felt like a heavy balloon! ... and I'm now down to about 257 on the scale. My doctor did a body-fat-mass analysis and swears I've gained at least 15 lbs of new muscle so that means I've lost about 63 lbs of fat so far.

    Keep on going! It gets better and better.



    Went to see a movie this morning, then over to the bike shop again. I test rode the Specialized Fuse Carbon: it's geometry and equipment are similar to the Fatboy Comp Carbon, but it's on the slimmer tires and has the suspension fork. Nice machine, but I'm set on the FCC ... I just like the dynamics of the larger tires.

    It seems the FCC model is in short supply here in CA at present, I may have to reach out of state to get one.

    I had a few other errands to do afterwards. When I returned home, the sunshine and temperature was very nice so I took Sumo out for a 10 mile ride late in the day. It's much easier now that we're on DST and the sun is lingering so much higher in the sky than it did a month or so back. Today I wanted to run fast so I went with power for the entire ride ... I stuck with ECON and TOUR power levels, pumped it hard. Average speed for the ride was 17.5 mph ... it was fun and exhilarating.

    Have to say: I just love to ride. Bicycles, ebikes, motorcycles ... Enjoy the heck out of all my riding.

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    Hi G, If you need a bike computer I would recommend the Garmin Edge 25 I have one and its great little unit. Not too pricey, small size on the bars so you won't have a problem mounting it. Has all the basics that you need and you can blue tooth it to your phone, and the Garmin website keeps track of your rides in a very easy to use way. You can even use the Garmin heart rate monitor with it.

    Mine is about 18 months old and has been rained on many times and its never given a problem. Every other speedo that I have used over the years cannot hold a candle to the Edge 25.

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    Hi Dtrimp, welcome to one of the more friendlier places on the net. No one will judge you by your bike just encourage you on your Fat Biking journey. Sound like you are off to a great start and having family involved should keep the weight rolling off and the fun at a high.

    We all look forward to some ride reports as you get out and explore.

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    Hi Mike, sound like you are going to need a bigger saw

    You must be at the end of this bad weather soon, if its any help we have a low pressure forming of the coast now with the promise of a few days of heavy rain. Especially at 5.30 tomorrow morning when I am due to ride to work unpacking the rain gear when I finish here.

    So all that snow melted and now you are getting a refill, must be a sight to see as it comes and goes. The bike looks great, even when you are running light. Hope you get your well earned Spring soon.

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    After weeks of being closed due to wet conditions, the local single tracks were open to mtb yesterday. Temps were up near the 60s. I already had my Vaya in the car so I did 20 miles on the paved trails. We’re looking at possibly 3-6” of snow by tomorrow but then temps back up to 40-50s and rain after that. I have a feeling it will be weeks before the mountain bikes areas are open again.

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    Great to see all the discussion and ride reports and most of all pictures!
    I had planned to go to Beerfelden Germany which is a lift-supported bike DH park; I've heard good things but not been there... unfortunately was too cold/snowy so I headed to a local park I found online with a couple friends. Turns out to be a BMX park will really steep kickers and crazy high lips... not really rideable for me, but we did find a few lines and rode around 20 or so laps... and good for me to get used to the Wozo!
    Was sick yesterday and heading on vacation tomorrow for a week or so, so probably no riding or MTBR for a while!
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    Feel better, Pepper!

    OZ,

    Thanks for the reference on the Garmin Edge 25. I saw one at the dealer yesterday (they wanted over $200 for it, I see it's retail list at $170, Amazon lists it at $157, and refurbished ones are $110 ... ). Looks like a good unit.

    It's proving to be difficult to find the 2018 Fatboy Comp Carbon anywhere in CA. Seems I might have three options now:

    1. See if a Salsa Mukluk SLX 1x11 is available locally (same geometry, actually one notch better equipment, a little less expensive)
    2. Bring in a 2018 FCC from out of state (Eriks lists them available in various stores in Minnesota/etc). Same price, negotiable shipping.
    3. Buy a new 2016 FCC from a dealer in Alabama ... he's offering it for $1000 off the new 2018 price, plus $100 shipping. Same frame, most equipment the same, Shimano Delore brakes rather than SRAM and the 10 speed cassette and shifter rather than the 11 speeder. And it's the beautiful red color, which I really like...


    I'd rather deal with a local dealer, to be honest, but that red color and $1000 off leaves a lot of free cash to upgrade the brakes and shifter components if I so chose. The red is real pretty:

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    And the Salsa Mukluk aint bad looking neither:

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    Fun fun fun ...

    Rainy nearly all day today and tomorrow by the weather report, so it's time to fire up the car and go bike shop visiting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Surly in OZ View Post
    Hi Mike, sound like you are going to need a bigger saw

    You must be at the end of this bad weather soon, if its any help we have a low pressure forming of the coast now with the promise of a few days of heavy rain. Especially at 5.30 tomorrow morning when I am due to ride to work unpacking the rain gear when I finish here.

    So all that snow melted and now you are getting a refill, must be a sight to see as it comes and goes. The bike looks great, even when you are running light. Hope you get your well earned Spring soon.

    OZ.
    Hi Surly. "Preciate the kind thoughts, could use them. Outside, the snow and ice is falling, awaiting the big stuff to come in tomorrow. Expecting anywhere from 6-12 inches. 4 coastal northeast storms in one month is out of the norm. The problem is that the trees have taken a beating from previous storms and the stuff that falls from the sky out of these coastal systems is wet and heavy with water moisture, unlike the light and fluffy stuff that rides in with the Alberta Clippers from out west.

    I was actually thinking the other day of making a run up this path with my trusty Katana Boy Japanese hand saw, as I did earlier in January. This stuff here will have to be addressed by the state of New Jersey parks personnel when they get around to doing it. I expect more stuff to fall to the ground if we get the snow predicted for tomorrow.

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    A long and amusing day of bikey things. But in the end, I took the Specialized Fatboy Comp Carbon out of Alabama ... A brand new FCC for $2000 seemed like too good a deal to pass up—I can do a lot with that extra $700-$1000.

    I stopped in to my local bike shop this morning and asked them if I bought a bike out of state would they receive it and do the setup/prep for me? "Sure, no problem at all." When I told the sales guy about the Alabama bike, his eyes widened and he just said, "Buy it!"

    I also went to another shop that carries the Salsa line, another really good guy runs it. We worked out doing a frame up build of a carbon Mukluk (...since the 2018 Mukluk SLX 1x11 complete model are also completely sold out and he's waiting for the 2019 model to be released!...). He could build me one for slightly less than $3000 with upgraded equipment compared to the standard SLX 1x11 model, but then when I told him about the bike in Alabama, he said instantly, "Buy it! That's too good a deal to pass up!"

    After I arrived back home, I responded to the inquiry I'd sent on the Alabama bike last evening. A response came back from the dealer almost instantly ... so I called the dealer immediately. I'm glad I did, it's always great to talk to the people you do business with directly. He seemed like a good, honest guy over the phone. Some errors on the listing he told me about straight up: The bike is actually satin black, not red, and a 2017 not a 2016. The satin black was the first one that I went "oooh" over, so what the heck? 2017 and 2016 are almost if not actually identical on equipment. I'll likely do some upgrading to the drive and/or brakes, but I'll get it here, put my preferred grips and tires on, and do some riding on it first to see what's what.

    I expect it's going to be pretty nice just as it comes anyway, and I'm going to enjoy the heck out of it. To my eye, it's definitely a prettier bike than the Mukluk and in terms of equipment and function they seem just about identical.

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    I'm jazzed.

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    Lots of good pictures guys. Mike, I'm running across the same thing as you, downed trees on the trail from the winter waiting to be clear. I went on my first singletracks ride in what felt like forever. (In reality it was only two weeks). There were several times I had to hoist my bike over a big tree.

    I was in South Bend, Indiana and I ran into a father and son out on the trails. We had a nice chat and the dad invited me to join his riding club when I am in Indiana. That is about 1/3 of my travels so this could be cool. One of the things I dislike about traveling so much is I am never able to participate in those types of group activities. Family time takes priority 1 when I'm home and I can't commit to weekday events. The position is good, the company is good and my boss is great but I don't think I want to do this forever. I will be exploring new roles in the company next year. Fortunately my boss is supportive of that goal. In the meantime I will keep exploring new trails when I can.

    The ride at South Bend was very cool. I tried a back section that is particularly technical and filled with short punchy climbs. I tried it once before early in my riding and couldn't do it. Last night I cleared it. That was a pretty great feeling.

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    TexMex: Thanks! Thinking now that what we are experiencing back east is actually a problem now extending to the fringes of the midwest; super saturated ground causing these big trees to come down; based on your observations in Indiana. It's gonna be a lot of work bringing these trails back to standard. But first, we actually have to get out of this weather pattern of constant snow/rain and overall winter cold. Welcome to the first day of spring!

    Sounds like you found a nice group of people to ride with!

    Doctor Pepper: Get well, and soon. Looking forward to reading of your overnighter when that ride comes. I have been real hesitant on getting out and ride in the days we've had without wet roadways and trails and I'm gunshy about getting another respiratory infection as I had a while back. Just don't want to go down that road of getting knocked back for a good month.

    G: What a buy, congrats. I paid 2100 for my new 2016 Fatboy, with a lot less of a quality spec of components compared to that carbon bike.

    Sea Story for you: I took my old school Trek to my Iowa river boat tender in the late 90's. I had outfitted my Trek 9000 with Aerospoke Rims, a five spoke plastic/carbon and aluminum set up, front and rear. I still have this bike and it's use a few years ago actually got me into this fatbike game. One day when we were moored up in our homeport, I broke the bike out of the ship's hold for a ride along the Mississippi north of our homeport. I leaned the bike against a large capstan used to move big sized wire and rope during our buoy handling operations and went inside the boat to get something or the other...... When I came back out, the bike had fallen on the deck of the barge; the front fancy 5 spoke Aerospoke rim/wheel striking a large steel eye welded onto the main deck; shattering the rim into a thousand little pieces. 325 dollars later, not counting shipping, my new 5 spoke Aerospoke rim arrived via the postal service. Not a happy moment, seeing the ruined rim, just a simple fall.

    I think there is a moral to that story worth taking note of.....

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    Thanks Mike! I'm pretty jazzed now. There are a number of nice little upgrades possible to the FCC but I'll wait to see how I feel about it after riding a bit before pushing to them.

    The LBS guys will get the setup and prep money as well as Garmin Edge 25, Ergon Grips, and tire money ... so they're pretty happy about it too. They are not a Specialized or Salsa dealer, or an iZip dealer for that matter (they do Trek, Santa Cruz, and Brompton), but they've been doing all my service work since I got Sumo and we've got a good rapport going. And...

    Ouch! That broken wheel is the kind of thing that just wrenches my gut. I hate seeing good machinery broken through happenstance and accident. Looked at another way though, I'm glad it broke when you weren't riding on it.

    (I was looking at Sumo's brakes last evening. I'd forgotten that they are actually a set of TRP Slate 4 calipers (four piston both front and rear) acting on 180mm rotors. If I am not thrilled by the Shimano Deores on the FCC, I think I'll upgrade to these ... They are just terrific with amazing stopping power, great feel, and very easy to modulate right to the limit on the street. They've never faded at all, even when pulling my and Sumo's bulk down from a fast, long downhill stretch at well over the electric assist range limit. And the levers fit my fingers perfectly. They might be a bit of overkill for a bike that's less than half the weight and for the rapidly becoming smaller me, but eh? LOL! )

    Sorry to hear about all the nasty weather back east again. We're in a bit of March Mess here this week: lots of rain and blustery cold wind. But I keep finding little portals in the chill, wind, and wet so I can get out for a blitz even if only a short ride.

    onwards!
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    G, why not set the bike up yourself?
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    Why not set it up myself? Because a) I don't have a good place to do it, b) I'm not all that experienced as a bicycle mechanic, c) I don't have the relevant equipment to do it right (stand, the lightweight end of standard tools, the special tools, etc), and d) I've never set up or worked on a carbon bike before and I need to learn what needs doing properly.

    Never mind that I like having a good relationship with the local bike shop and the way to fuel that is to do business with them as apropos. Every time I go in there for service, I learn a little more.

    I'm sure I can figure all this out myself with time and a little practice, but without investing in all the bits that would make working on the bike practical, convenient, and fun (which I don't really have room for anywhere) I'd rather trade off a little money for someone to do it right for me.

    I have just enough space, skills, and the right tools to do light work on my motorcycle in a fun, efficient, and satisfying way. I leave the bigger jobs to a shop even on that.

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    Okay, just curious. This little kit is enough to do most everything:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...f_rd_i=3405621
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    G - looking forward to hearing about the Fatboy. Mine is the aluminum body/carbon fork and I am really happy with it. Mike and I both put 40 risers on to bring the bars up slightly.

    Park tools makes a nifty t-handle torque wrench. I never touch carbon parts without knowing the torque specs and use a torque wrench. A very wise investment for all bike parts...not just carbon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyHun View Post
    Okay, just curious. This little kit is enough to do most everything:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...f_rd_i=3405621
    Looks like a nice small kit. There are some specific things in it that I don't have and are likely appropriate for the bicycle. I'll put it on my wish list and maybe order one, once I look through exactly what's in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry66 View Post
    G - looking forward to hearing about the Fatboy. Mine is the aluminum body/carbon fork and I am really happy with it. Mike and I both put 40 risers on to bring the bars up slightly.

    Park tools makes a nifty t-handle torque wrench. I never touch carbon parts without knowing the torque specs and use a torque wrench. A very wise investment for all bike parts...not just carbon.
    Thanks Terry! Now I can't wait for the FCC to arrive.
    Not sure I need any risers yet, I'll see when it gets here.

    That t-handle torque wrench looks might handy for the small stuff. I do have a very nice Precision Tool torque wrench for the 3-15 Nm range ... Bought it at the bicycle shop, it's they one they use there. The range happens to fit a number of the smaller fasteners on my motorcycle too.

    Using a good torque wrench is good practice when working on most any machinery, really. Using a poor quality torque wrench can be more destructive than using none at all, however.

    To give something back: I recently found a lovely little set of small hand tools in metric sizings that I recommend highly! I've been using the SAE version of this toolset for 25 years or more, they're excellent quality and last very well. The price (even including pretty expensive shipping) is a bargain... Boxer Hand Tools (Metric).

    G

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    For torque wrenches, Snap-On is the best.
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    N'oreaster Storm-21 March 2018, 6:40 PM

    3 hours earlier, wanting to keep up with the snowfall around my car and boat, I did some preemptive shoveling, snow blowing and snow removal from the top boat tarp so she won't cave in under the heavy weight of the snow. 3 hours later, with the snow fall substantial in the 3 hours past and with the snow still coming down with a predicted end around 10 pm, I thought to recheck the boat tarp and snap a few Fatboy photos in the snow......
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    By the dogwood tree... The tree took a good hit in the last storm, breaking off a few branches.
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    By my homebuilt Microtrawler. I can't risk the snow weight much longer so after I'm done with these photos, I'll knock the snow off.
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    Looking at the stern end of the Microtrawler. It's an easy trick knocking off the snow from underneath the top; the angle of the top makes quick work, the snow slides right off. But let it go long enough and it can put a lot of stress on the pvc frame. The original set up I built collapsed because of snow. I've found the 2" pipe works great. The boat itself will require minimal snow removal on the main decks and aft. Inside, she'll be bone dry. Heck, I could go out there right now, light off my little wood/charcoal stove and be as snug as a bug in a rug as the cabin begins a nice and cheerful warm up.....
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    I like this rear suitcase carrier, made by Ortlieb. When setting up the Fatboy, I wanted the ability to use it as a true touring bike; so I purchased front and rear panniers, this suitcase and the handlebar bag, all made by Ortlieb and all in this cool Hazel Brown/Black color, which unfortunately, is no longer made. Note too the new 40mm rise Spoke handlebar. I have the saddle height pretty much where the bike is comfortable again to ride. Read far back in this thread and you'll read of my like of the twist grip shifters. But ya know, after using the Shimano trigger shifters on the Full FatSix, I think I changed my mind. One day I'd like to go with a Sram trigger shifter in lieu of these twist grips....
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    I had to saw up quite a few large branches broken off this Eastern White Pine tree after the last storm and looking at the severe droop in the branches, I won't be surprised if there are a few more after this snow storm leaves town.
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    Night and day difference from a few days ago when this road was clear and I set off for my Lock 1 Damage Report Ride....
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    3 months from now I'll be bitching about the 99 degree heat with 100 percent humidity with no end in sight.

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    G: I think you've done the right thing in using your friendly, local LBS. The personal, professional expertise a trusted bike shop can bring is worth their weight in gold. My LBS, who did a terrific job rebuilding rims for the Fatboy and earlier, my Trek Soho DLX to accept the new Schmidt SON28 dyno hubs I supplied them; shockingly closed their doors forever a few months ago. I miss them folks; Bicycle Pro in Bordentown, NJ. Not sure who I can turn to now....


    After a few years and near 3000 miles on the Fatboy, the bike was really a pain to ride once that 30 mile barrier was passed, and I never really figured as to why. Was it the seat; a semi-hard Brooks Cambium 17? Or more likely the flat handlebar coupled with little rise? Riding the new Full FatSix, with it's padded Selle Royal saddle and a nice riser handlebar really drove home the fact that the Fatboy was no longer a comfy ride. I've yet to put miles on the Fatboy after I put on the 40mm rise Spank Spoke handlebar; but the small ride in the nearby development while figuring the most comfortable saddle height confirmed there was a world of difference in comfort level with this new riser bar.

    But everyone has to reach their own particular comfort level; but it's food for thought.

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    Fat Biking and health-img_3132.jpgMike, that snow is beautiful. Soon enough it will be gone. I am still in Indiana and hit another trail in Bristol. My wife called me and said the schools back home were closed from snow. Not here, sunny blue skies and warm. Snow doesn't bother me, heat doesn't bother me, I only complain if the trails are closed.

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    TexMex: Strange it is how one state to the west and things are dry and warm while back home in Ohio, it's not! I always found weather fascinating, first in my old days fishing on the local creeks and rivers here and later in my old job on the water. It's an ever changing thing, weather.

    Hopefully this stuff will clear out in several days so I can get down to the Lock 1 towpath and see what the conditions there are like.

    Nice picture there, I can imagine myself on that trail right now!

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    Addiction comes in many flavors.

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    Rode all around the riparian preserve this afternoon. Probably only about four miles, but on this bike, that is about perfect. Rabbits have been busy, as there were billions of them; ducks, coots, quail, all out in numbers.
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    Hi everyone, made it to work yesterday and today dry coming home yesterday I have never ridden through such rain. There was not one part of me that was not soaked to the bone

    Just beat the rain home to day and took the Monkey in to the shop to get the new fork and dropped post installed. With luck I will pick it up tomorrow, and then go away for the weekend so there will be no riding

    Nice looking bike and at a great price G, I am with you about supporting your LBS. I get very well looked after by the guys at Drift Bikes. I can do the little things myself, the Park Tools website with their videos make a great learning place. But anything else and its off to the shop.

    Will be interesting to see how you set up and the ride comparison between your bikes G. Seems like you are going to have some fun. Which seems to be passing you by at the moment Mike, I am sure spring will come soon... or later

    Nice trail Mex, crazy to think that not to far away is copping a winter blast.

    DH seems like you are getting along fine with the new bike, not trying to gouge your shins out anymore. Single speed must be a workout and those skinny tyres too.

    OZ.

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