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    Fat bike pricing

    How long until there is a decent 1k fat bike (complete), or better yet a complete 29 fat bike ? What makes a Krampus worth 2k ?

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    On-one fatty?? Many people are delighted with them!!

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    I agree, The reason that I don't own a fat bike yet is that I can't justify spending 2k on a steel bike with no suspension. if Walmart can sell one for $200 theres no reason for them to be more than 1k. At this point its just supply and demand, people will pay it, so why would theybring the prices down?
    That being said on one sells a pretty nice rig for $1500
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying_Scotsman View Post
    On-one fatty?? Many people are delighted with them!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

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    I'm sorry, not trying to be a jerk, but this topic is well past even being a proverbial dead horse.

    Limited production drives up costs. You want a niche product that actually performs, expect to pay something for it, end of story. In all honesty, a $1K MTB is pretty entry level in terms of a truly trail worthy beast.

    Ask anyone who is willing to give an honest answer, how well the Walgoose POS rides on trails, for real riding. It's a toy, just like any FS rig from Wallyworld. Fine for the sidewalk, not so much, the singletrack.

    When they make a bike with full Shimano Altus or Sram X3, and a price close to your desires, folks will buy them, and immediately do one of two things.

    1, get in the interwebz, and complain vociferously about how sh*tty the component spec is or,

    2, throw a ton of new parts at it, bringing the cost up to around what the current market offerings are.

    Buy one used if new is too much for crying out loud.....
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    Re: Fat bike pricing

    I'm on mobile so I can't post the "beating a dead horse" emoticon. But yeah... been whined about many times on here. Basically to sum it up: walmarts fat bike is a piece of junk with heavy junk parts. How much have you payed for good parts on your normal mountain bike? Well add that to the fact that fat bikes are a very small niche and low quantity parts runs cost a lot more to do. Which is why you have tires that cost more than mass produced car tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    beat me by less than a minute
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    I like how everyone seems to have the same immediate knee jerk reaction,dead horse or not...Walmart-walgoose...when I'm talking about 1K. Is a 10 speed krampus really worth that much more than a karate monkey or trucker ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-track-mind View Post
    I like how everyone seems to have the same immediate knee jerk reaction,dead horse or not...Walmart-walgoose...when I'm talking about 1K. Is a 10 speed krampus really worth that much more than a karate monkey or trucker ?
    Apples to oranges man!!

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    You will be hard pressed to find a "decent' traditional 26" or 29" Hardtail MTB that is trail ready for under 1K - or maybe I am just very picky when it comes to components/frames.
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    I dunno, but I got an On-one ss Inbred demo with reba/b-7 disc for 1k when 29ers were bursting on the scene...not about to pay 2x for a rigid 1x10 krampus .

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-track-mind View Post
    I dunno, but I got an On-one ss Inbred demo with reba/b-7 disc for 1k when 29ers were bursting on the scene...not about to pay 2x for a rigid 1x10 krampus .
    What about small production numbers are you not understanding?

    Go and find some mass produced 29x3 tires, or 50mm 29er rims, and a frame built to take them, that you can buy for Wallyworld prices, and get back to us....
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    [QUOTE=MendonCycleSmith;10601546]What about small production numbers are you not understanding?

    Go and find some mass produced 29x3 tires, or 50mm 29er rims, and a frame built to take them, that you can buy for Wallyworld prices, and get back to us....[/QU
    1 k is not a Wallyworld price, sport.

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    The bicycle business is typically low margin, particularly the bikes themselves. If a bike company (or any company) comes up with something new that's in demand, they have a short window of time to make decent money before others copy the idea. Very few people are getting rich in the bike business. Some do OK, some barely squeak by, and lots more go out of business.

    For me, bikes are my salvation from a life of sloth and depravity. How can I put a price on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    I'm sorry, not trying to be a jerk, but this topic is well past even being a proverbial dead horse.
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    Buy one used if new is too much for crying out loud.....
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    This fatbike pricing conspiracy hoax is getting really old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-track-mind View Post
    Is a 10 speed krampus really worth that much more than a karate monkey or trucker ?
    Yes it is if you want a bike with specialized tires and rims on it with a specialized frame designed and built to run those tires and rims.

    If you don't want 'em then no and you should buy a Karate Monkey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-track-mind View Post
    I dunno, but I got an On-one ss Inbred demo with reba/b-7 disc for 1k when 29ers were bursting on the scene...not about to pay 2x for a rigid 1x10 krampus .
    So you got a used single speed with a Reba fork for a grand a few years ago

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    The day I see a bike dealer driving around in a Rolls Royce or Mercedes limo, I'll believe the pricing conspiracies.

    Apparently the way to make a small fortune with a bike shop is to start with a large one...
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    Fat bike pricing

    Amazing when people live in a free market system but seem to have no understanding of it.

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    I rode a Walgoose last night. Dear lord.

    I told my cash-strapped buddy to return the POS as soon as he can.

    There is an obvious reason why it was $200. There has to be a run of used fat bikes coming for sale once all the new models come out this Fall. It is a no-brainer to save up for a real fat bike, even if used, than go with something like that. The way we ride our fatties locally, that thing wouldn't last a mile, which he was trying to do. It is in no way an off road bike- the gearing on it is ridiculous!

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    Second hand pugsley will run you about a grand these days, if it's cherry.....less if it's not. Lot's of us caught fat-bike fever riding one. I'd love to find an old purple pug!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~gomez~ View Post
    Second hand pugsley will run you about a grand these days, if it's cherry.....less if it's not. Lot's of us caught fat-bike fever riding one. I'd love to find an old purple pug!
    There was a lightly used Necro for $1400 OBO last week on CL around here. Cheaper than the new basic version....
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    I don't know, man. I got my 2012 standard Pugsley at REI for just under 1300. Just have to watch for the deals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~gomez~ View Post
    Second hand pugsley will run you about a grand these days!
    Awesome new semi-custom Pugsley for sale right now in my neck of the woods... $1300. Tell me that's not a deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    Awesome new semi-custom Pugsley for sale right now in my neck of the woods... $1300. Tell me that's not a deal.

    <img src="http://www.morcmtb.org/classifieds/data/2/large/image7.jpg" width="700">
    Dude. $1300 is not under $1000.

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    The tires and wheels are expensive. The frames and components don't seem to be out of the norm to me.

    $300+ and $1k wheelsets really add up quick.

    Of course, now that I think about it my racing ralph's and Project 321 lefty Arch Ex wheelsets are almost the same amount. LOL

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    Re: Fat bike pricing

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    Dude. $1300 is not under $1000.
    Yeah... the conversation kind of went to fat bike prices in general if you read other comments. I was demonstrating that.
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    That On-one inbred is $1400 new and the On one fatty is only $150 more. Surly's karake monkey is $1200 and the trucker is over $1300. The small market of fatbikes going to raise the production price due to lack of demand. Pricing out a Moonlander by component, just the fat bike specific parts Frame set, wheel sets, tires and BB hit nearly $2k, the rest of the components are over $600. So you have less than $400 to produce a frame, forks, wheels, tires and the bottom bracket. Find those and you can have your $1k fatbike.

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    I agree with many here. I paid around $1000 for my barely used Pugsley shipping included. I paid less than $1,000 for my Cannondale sl4.
    The Pugsley is great fun and the Cannondale has a cheap fork and junk wheels which would put you well over $1,000.
    I dont think the market is out of line....you have to spend over $1,000 for any type of bike that you plan on doing a lot of trail riding with unless you dont mind bargain basement components.
    All nice bikes are expensive...you can either buy what you want and enjoy, or deprive yourself because you think it is too expensive. Its your money, you decide what you want.
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    I paid $1500 for my Ogre complete. I paid $1800 for my first Pugsley complete like a year or so earlier. Both I paid full MSRP. Given they both had the same parts specs except for the fatbike stuff, I'd say $300 is a fair difference when at the time there were no other mass produced fatbikes available. I'm not sure how that was an unreasonable MSRP.

    Also, considering my full squish 29er was $4,500 (and it not being a top of the line bike), stuff in the $1,500-1,800 range is fine by me. Contrary to what the OP thinks, I think the Pugsley's current price point and build spec on the completes are a great value.

    I've ridden my Ogre and first and then second Pugsleys enough now to realize Surly does a very good job in terms of value and balancing performance versus cost.

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    the price is kind of steep.but when i ride my bikes and feel the difference of having spent a little more for something higher up the food chain of equipment, i end up feeling that it's pretty much a fair deal having exchanged hard earned money for something someone spent time perfecting.

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    Come ON now!

    Everyone knows that Surly, Salsa, 9Zero7 etc all get together on the winter solstice, slaughter a goat, and swear a blood oath to keep prices artificially high, and supply unnecessarily low, just so they can all afford bigger private jets to fly to their private compounds in the south Pacific and put their progeny through Harvard and Yale.

    Don't they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Come ON now!

    Everyone knows that Surly, Salsa, 9Zero7 etc all get together on the winter solstice, slaughter a goat, and swear a blood oath to keep prices artificially high, and supply unnecessarily low, just so they can all afford bigger private jets to fly to their private compounds in the south Pacific and put their progeny through Harvard and Yale.

    Don't they?
    As long as they ritually slaughter the goat in a humane way and eat it, I'm OK with that. Barbecued is best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    As long as they ritually slaughter the goat in a humane way and eat it, I'm OK with that. Barbecued is best.
    Mmmmmmm, barbecuuuued priiice fixxxiiinnnnggg goooaaat...nom!

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    Overall I think the prices are pretty comparable and it can be done on a budget, and as people have stated here, you buy a good XC bike or AM bike, it is not going to be cheap, why should a niche bike such as a Fatbike be cheap when they are produced in low numbers, my Mukluk framebuild has been affordable compared to my Santa Cruz Heckler build, and the frame was cheaper on the Mukluk. If you want cheap, get the Walgoose (if you are in the US) it might not be as great as a pugsly or others but at least you have a Fat Bike 8)

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