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    Fat Bike Inverted Forks Are Here!

    They-re Here!

    I've been waiting on these for months after hearing that a Taiwan manufacturer was planning to build them. They hooked up with Bikeman here in the USA as a distributor and now have them up on their web site.

    I've considered a Lefty conversion but decided to hold out for the real-deal.

    I've got a straight ordered for a Mukluk 2 and a tapered for a Beargrease.

    More details coming as soon as I get-em mounted...

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    Hate when that happens...

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    Day late and dollar short.

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    Cheaper, lighter, better... Lefty IS the real deal! IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtuck1 View Post
    Cheaper, lighter, better... Lefty IS the real deal! IMHO.
    Lefty is Ugly, not lighter, cost can be about the same, offset wheel required. less travel, performance is great though! IMHO

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    I dunno why offset wheel is such a bad thing since I've been beating the everliving crap out of offset Pugsleys for years now.

    Ugly? I don't get it, the inverted Fork-Of-Many-Names isn't exactly a pinnacle of industrial design.

    Anyways, I do dig the new fork, but I think in the end I'd still have gone with the Lefty, if only because I know I'll be able to get parts and service for years from Craig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtuck1 View Post
    Cheaper, lighter, better... Lefty IS the real deal! IMHO.
    I seriously considered the Lefty... The set up requires use of the older movable clamp style Lefty (pre-2008), so a modern OPI upper, bonded clamp, or carbon, won't work. Craig Smith at Mendon certainly has it all worked out and there are a lot of conversions on the trail. Overall weight is about dead-nuts equal.

    I looked at the german:A Flame USD ($$$ and heavy) and was concerned about support and decided to wait for what I knew was already being developed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    I dunno why offset wheel is such a bad thing since I've been beating the everliving crap out of offset Pugsleys for years now.

    Ugly? I don't get it, the inverted Fork-Of-Many-Names isn't exactly a pinnacle of industrial design.
    There is nothing wrong with an offset but it has limitations. I am building a fatty around a set of trailtech 47mm rims which can't be done with a lefty and offset. I am not saying I'm a huge fan of this inverted fork either so I am going to hold off a while to see what other options come out....I know I ask for a lot

    oh and trust me I thought hard about a lefty but just couldn't do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtuck1 View Post
    Cheaper, lighter, better... Lefty IS the real deal! IMHO.
    negative on all counts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    I dunno why offset wheel is such a bad thing since I've been beating the everliving crap out of offset Pugsleys for years now.

    Ugly? I don't get it, the inverted Fork-Of-Many-Names isn't exactly a pinnacle of industrial design.

    Anyways, I do dig the new fork, but I think in the end I'd still have gone with the Lefty, if only because I know I'll be able to get parts and service for years from Craig.
    yes fugly and yes the inverted fork is a highly successful design on many fronts.
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    I am very happy with the Lefty!
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    ouch it's hurting my eyes now lets focus on the REAL suss fork this thread was made for.
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    The new fork is nice but you ain't gonna stuff a Bud on a Clownshoe in there. For that Lefty is the only answer for now.

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    I'm sticking with a Lefty.
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    Lets have a Lefty vs. Carver comparo before anyone even gets their hands on one.



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    I'm sure the new fork is great. For me and any one else running a tire over 4" and a rim over 80 mm it wont work so it's not a choice to be had.

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    Facts are facts. No battle there. If they made it to fit 5" tires on Clownshoes I would be looking too.

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    Just don't see the point in spending 900.00 on an unproven fork,
    when I can spend 500.00 on something that most seem to be happy with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    Facts are facts. No battle there. If they made it to fit 5" tires on Clownshoes I would be looking too.
    the fact is not everybody wants or needs it to fit a 5" on CS so yea no battle for those who want that option...otherwise it's a great addition to the fat bike scene.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loudviking View Post
    Just don't see the point in spending 900.00 on an unproven fork,
    when I can spend 500.00 on something that most seem to be happy with.
    if the design didn't prove itself over the last yr of testing from various people, venues it's been raced and thrashed at it never will.
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    So maybe someone can explain to me what is so bad about
    a Lefty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nvphatty View Post
    the fact is not everybody wants or needs it to fit a 5" on CS so yea no battle for those who want that option...otherwise it's a great addition to the fat bike scene.
    Wait a minute, you just quoted me in reverse.

    A few posts ago.
    I'm sure the new fork is great. For me and any one else running a tire over 4" and a rim over 80 mm it wont work so it's not a choice to be had.

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    Ok, let me rephrase my question, who has a Lefty and likes it?
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    I has one on my 907, and I really likes it...it was on my Prophet a few years ago, got the all new solo air internals nearly two years ago now (big improvement over the original oil/coil), as well as a little love from Craig @ MCS along with the clamps, and it's been problem free--just the occasional bearing reset that takes about 3 minutes or so. Super plush, but push button lockout for climbs, and a downhill segment KOM or two--good times. Offset Marge Lite wheel build I did myself and so far not a hitch...

    Look for a circa 2005 cannondale prophet with lefty max (for example), you might find a local deal, and Craig can resurrect the Lefty and make it new...sell the frame and recoup enough to pay for the clamps. Then ride the crapski out of it... It's a very viable option, but there is more legwork involved in making it happen.

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    I have 3 lefty bikes including the 2 Fatbacks pictured below and a 26" Scalpel. Love them all! I personally would be a little concerned about wheel deflection while cornering (or any other side load) with this new inverted fork. They must have some high end technology going on in those legs to keep the axle perpendicular at all times. There is a good reason why they put braces on conventional double leg forks. I understand how the OEM motorcycles do it but I don't know if that will translate to bicycles.

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    Thanks guys for the responses, will forge ahead on the Lefty.
    And some Chiclets for the responses.....
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    At the risk of sounding like a fanboy for my own "creation" thanks folks.

    One thing, since I prefer actual info be what's out there?

    Lefties can get up to 110 (perhaps more in certain configurations) bdundee earlier stated they have "less" travel than the new offering.

    I too, am happy there's more options forthcoming, some folks will just never get over the "ick" response, whatever!


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    Fat Bike Inverted Forks Are Here!

    Send me one of each, I'll be happy to compare them and report back here with results. I do it for you guys.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    At the risk of sounding like a fanboy for my own "creation" thanks folks.

    One thing, since I prefer actual info be what's out there?

    Lefties can get up to 110 (perhaps more in certain configurations) bdundee earlier stated they have "less" travel than the new offering.

    I too, am happy there's more options forthcoming, some folks will just never get over the "ick" response, whatever!


    And thank you for taking my call about the Lefty, will be in touch shortly
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    MCS it was also stated that lefties are heavier than the new fork. I dont have a scale at the house but I'm sure you have weighed one. Can you state the weight? The new Carver is 4.6#. I don't believe my lefty is that heavy even with the hub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    Facts are facts. No battle there. If they made it to fit 5" tires on Clownshoes I would be looking too.
    Here is another guy who would have purchased had they built the fork around CS on Bud/Lou tire combo.

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    Funny how this thread turned to Lefty is better or New fork is bad... The OP was talking about a new fork on the market. I am just happy that there are options. Some will want a lefty some will get an inverted fork let's be happy for all that manage to get suspension on a fatbike ;-)
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    Jumping on the CS with Bud/Lou bandwagon

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post

    Lefties can get up to 110 (perhaps more in certain configurations) bdundee earlier stated they have "less" travel than the new offering.
    Sorry my bad I didn't think they would do 110. And sorry if I offended anyone with a lefty but as I stated this new fork doesn't turn my crank either. I want to be able to swap wheels between bikes and a lefty just doesn't allow me to do that. I don't think there are lefty haters just people who would prefer something else for their own reasons and that's perfectly ok.

    P.S. It was a proud lefty owner that started the battle

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    Why am I reading two pages of drivel about the Lefty? That's not news.

    Clearance for 5" rubber isn't a real limitation, for MOST riders. The conditions where max float are king(sand, deep snow, mud, etc) are not conditions where a suspension fork is beneficial, or at least necessary. Dry, technical trails and rock chunk necessitate suspension, but are not appropriate for Bud and Lou on Clown Shoes.

    For every rider on a 5" Bud/Lou, there are probably another 10 riders with 4" tires on 82mm rims. There is a market for this fork. No need to defame a product you haven't ridden to justify the purchase you've already made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    Can you state the weight?
    4.67 lb, or 2100 gm, with the full, uncut steerer.

    bdundee, thanks, no worries, got a full nights sleep regardless
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    For the record I think the new fork is great, like I already said.
    Every one seems to be hung up on their own tire size. I am for all tire sizes. That's why my issue with new forks and or new frames that will not accommodate 5" tires and 100 mm rims seem to miss the mark. Why would you limit yourself to the 4" world while building something new? I completely understand that some will never want a 5" tire but what if you do? What if others do? If designing and building a new product why not design it to fit the the current available tire offerings? You would then be able to run any tire rim combination you choose. Every one wins then.
    Also for the record I don't just ride around the yard on my 5" tires and Clownshoes I ride the local trails and lots of technical trails in NC. Technical stuff is not just for 4" tires.

    (If the fork/frame don't fit you must acquit)!

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    Its OK to fill this thread with lefty talk as there are already two other threads on the Fork-With-Many-Names
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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    Its OK to fill this thread with lefty talk as there are already two other threads on the Fork-With-Many-Names
    And, Lefty is an inverted fork too
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    And, Lefty is an inverted fork too
    Ok here is one of my fears with the new Fork-With-Many-Names (can we shorten that btw). I have a tendency to tip over (aka crash) in rock gardens not often but when I have I have scuffed the lowers on various forks which is really no big deal but my fear is when I tip with a inverted fork and I scuff the lowers, well couldn't that become more of an issue.

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    No fork out there makes it easier to change a tire than a Lefty...

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    I would speculate that when you factor in the weight of the 15 mm thru axle and the 135 mm hub the weight advantage tips in favor of the Lefty. I have no more than $700 invested in each of the Lefties I own and that includes the $280 PBR upgrade, MCS clamps, and service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtuck1 View Post
    I would speculate that when you factor in the weight of the 15 mm thru axle and the 135 mm hub the weight advantage tips in favor of the Lefty. I have no more than $700 invested in each of the Lefties I own and that includes the $280 PBR upgrade, MCS clamps, and service.
    this is NOT a lefty thread thank you very much
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    Fat Bike Inverted Forks Are Here!

    Lol, pretty sure it is...


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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    Its OK to fill this thread with lefty talk as there are already two other threads on the Fork-With-Many-Names
    i'm afraid not so take it elsewhere
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtuck1 View Post
    I would speculate that when you factor in the weight of the 15 mm thru axle and the 135 mm hub the weight advantage tips in favor of the Lefty. I have no more than $700 invested in each of the Lefties I own and that includes the $280 PBR upgrade, MCS clamps, and service.
    Dude go away your points are well taken, maybe start a thread on saving the world from evil forks. Turn to Lefty and Repent....

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    It's not a thread jack. The thread naturally progressed in that direction. The thread jack was when the OP started a new thread when there were two existing and in depth discussions of the new fork. Oh wellllll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    It's not a thread jack. The thread naturally progressed in that direction. The thread jack was when the OP started a new thread when there were two existing and in depth discussions of the new fork. Oh wellllll.
    Do you even know what the term "thread jack" means? Starting a new thread is most definitely NOT thread-jacking.

    Back to the original topic, does anybody know the details on this fork yet? Single air? Dual air? Coil spring? Lock-out? Cost of just the hub (for those with multiple front wheels)?

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    Yes, I do know the definition, I was using the word metaphorically I suppose. But you've simply proved my point by asking more questions about the fork- go look at the two other threads on it!

    Here:

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    Thanks, the Carver thread doesn't have any answers but the Sandman one does (assuming the Carver and the Sandman are in fact identical).

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    That's it. I'm going rigid. You guy's have turned me off suspension of any form! I shall throw all my suspension parts in the yard and run them over with my tractor. This Fat Bike forum was the last bastion of sanity on this site and now it's all askew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    I shall throw all my suspension parts in the yard and run them over with my tractor..
    So what kind of tractor do you have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    So what kind of tractor do you have?
    Massey Ferguson. Off topic, I know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    Massey Ferguson. Off topic, I know!
    Rigid or suspended?

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    Sounds like fat bikes have become the Android of the mountain biking world...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Rigid or suspended?
    Only comes rigid, but if Cannondale made a lefty for it I would buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    Massey Ferguson. Off topic, I know!
    Nice, now this is an enjoyable conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    Massey Ferguson. Off topic, I know!

    John Deere FTMFW!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    That's it. I'm going rigid. You guy's have turned me off suspension of any form! I shall throw all my suspension parts in the yard and run them over with my tractor. This Fat Bike forum was the last bastion of sanity on this site and now it's all askew.
    How 'bout a rigid carbon Lefty? Hoping to put it together this fall.

    Been planning this all along, but have spending too much time on the new carbon proto I put together earlier this summer.

    Have started on #2 after much testing. Had a really big 230 lb guy on it this weekend that said he breaks everything - (has to be true because a few years ago he showed me the cracks he put in an early Bontrager steel frame!)

    Still together.
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    I love my fat lefty, and the weight could certainly be brought down to below what any other fork is by machining the clamps some more. That said, since Cannondale isn't coming out with their own fat ready version any time soon, it's great to see the Fork-With-Many-Names, or I think we can just start calling it the Carver fork, because that will be the brand most readily available, on this continent anyways. Or we could call it by the name those who made it give it: SASO SUDTS5331-110

    This really opens the door for somebody to come out with a Full suspension production fat bike. It could have been done with converted revamped old lefties, but the supply would have been very limited. I am pretty sure the SASO fork can be made in quantities necessary for one of the big brands to do a hardtail or FS model on a large scale if requested.

    BTW, Anyone know if this fork in it's various names is available with different rakes, or what it's rake is?
    The one thing I don't like about my lefty is that even with the wheel dished as close to the leg as possible, and the rake maxed out, it still doesn't have enough rake to avoid self steer tendency due to increased trail from the slack HTA caused by the tall AtoC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by autodoctor911 View Post
    I love my fat lefty, and the weight could certainly be brought down to below what any other fork is by machining the clamps some more. That said, since Cannondale isn't coming out with their own fat ready version any time soon, it's great to see the Fork-With-Many-Names, or I think we can just start calling it the Carver fork, because that will be the brand most readily available, on this continent anyways. Or we could call it by the name those who made it give it: SASO SUDTS5331-110

    This really opens the door for somebody to come out with a Full suspension production fat bike. It could have been done with converted revamped old lefties, but the supply would have been very limited. I am pretty sure the SASO fork can be made in quantities necessary for one of the big brands to do a hardtail or FS model on a large scale if requested.

    BTW, Anyone know if this fork in it's various names is available with different rakes, or what it's rake is?
    The one thing I don't like about my lefty is that even with the wheel dished as close to the leg as possible, and the rake maxed out, it still doesn't have enough rake to avoid self steer tendency due to increased trail from the slack HTA caused by the tall AtoC.
    Isn't the A2C adjustable on a Lefty? Not enough to solve this issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by autodoctor911 View Post
    Or we could call it by the name those who made it give it: SASO SUDTS5331-110
    As proud as I would have been if "the Fork-With-Many-Names" stuck (FWMN?), I think it would be hilarious to refer to it as the SASO SUDTS5331-110 all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Testmule View Post
    How 'bout a rigid carbon Lefty? Hoping to put it together this fall.

    Been planning this all along, but have spending too much time on the new carbon proto I put together earlier this summer.

    Have started on #2 after much testing. Had a really big 230 lb guy on it this weekend that said he breaks everything - (has to be true because a few years ago he showed me the cracks he put in an early Bontrager steel frame!)

    Still together.
    If it can come in under 600g like the Carver, it would be great. Leftys rule due to how little twist they have compared to a standard fork, but as a rigid, it would have to be all about weight saving (and cool factor, no doubt)

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    carbon peg leg

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    Velobike, he probably has a thing or two that might interest you
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    This Fat Bike forum was the last bastion of sanity on this site and now it's all askew.
    yup it sure is and over a NEW product for those wanting / waiting for a traditional suss fork but the unilegged crowd has seen it fit to fugg this thread up multiple times and continue to post pics unrelated to said topic. sad sack of shat i must say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nvphatty View Post
    yup it sure is and over a NEW product for those wanting / waiting for a traditional suss fork but the unilegged crowd has seen it fit to fugg this thread up multiple times and continue to post pics unrelated to said topic. sad sack of shat i must say.
    Seriously though, what value did this thread add to begin with? It splintered discussion even further from two established threads.

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    I just asked about the Lefty in relation to the Carver fork......
    Don't like it,tough sh!t! Just wanted a comparison.
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    yep just replying to loudviking... You'll hear a lot of us yowl about our lefties because we like 'em. New fork might be the cats pj's but would have been a short thread I guess since not much input on it yet. Get some people riding it then we can have it out properly preferably with racing and beer involved...

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    So many choices now!

    For the comments on this fork not fitting the biggest tires or tires with a clown shoe - the guys from Carver did say that they fit a BFL on clown shoe with 5mm clearance, and also set up 4.8" tires on 68mm rims with about the same clearance. SOOOOO... I'm guessing the new Fatback 4.2" meats that Gomez just posted will fit the Carver/11nine inverted forks on clown shoes A. O. K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    So many choices now!

    For the comments on this fork not fitting the biggest tires or tires with a clown shoe - the guys from Carver did say that they fit a BFL on clown shoe with 5mm clearance, and also set up 4.8" tires on 68mm rims with about the same clearance. SOOOOO... I'm guessing the new Fatback 4.2" meats that Gomez just posted will fit the Carver/11nine inverted forks on clown shoes A. O. K.
    exactly, but someone will come along a diss it anyway as they have already. One would think the FAT community would be a bit more receptive to new useful products such as this fork and what it brings but based on this thread, not.
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    Without the official Carver Bikes hat on, I'd just like to put it out there that the 11Trans-SASOJavelina9 and the Lefty are both WAY stiffer than they look. They're roughly the same weight and same travel, to boot. We have set up our full suspension fat bikes with both and, in my humble opinion, you can't go wrong either way.

    Regarding tire clearance, I am using a Bud set up tubeless on a Marge Lite rim (112mm max width). I have not experienced any rubbing and don't foresee any unless the tire gets seriously unseated or the rim goes significantly out of true. The largest possible setup, Lou on a Clown Shoe, should have a 121mm maximum width (roughly the same as the fork's clearance) so this is very unlikely to work. A Bud on a clown shoe would be 119mm, also probably too close for comfort. While we have not tested them yet, the numbers would indicate that 5" tires on 82mm rims should be compatible with a few mm of clearance on each side.

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    From the OP's first post:
    I've considered a Lefty conversion but decided to hold out for the real-deal.
    So when guys who actually have and ride Lefties say "wait a minute, my suspension option IS a real deal" some of you are surprised? New suspension option is cool, but you can't throw down like that and not expect a little pushback. More importantly, buy one of the new forks, ride it hard, and give some real live feedback on how it performs...that's a useful thread.

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    So has anyone not affiliated with Carver, Bikeman.com, or the Industry in general, put some miles in on this fork, and can give a real world review of the damping performance and spring performance in all three travel selections, and give a down honest opinion of the stiffness of this fork? Do retailers really expect us to trip over each other trying to buy something that we sort of desire, but are VERY skeptical of?
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    Re: Fat Bike Inverted Forks Are Here!

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    So has anyone not affiliated with Carver, Bikeman.com, or the Industry in general,
    From the other Carver fork thread:

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    Pros:
    East coast trail (roots/rocks) performance has now put the fatbike back to where my former fox equipped 26er full squish was. i can now put my weight neutral or forward and just hammer as hard as i can. I've added a few more lbs of air to the tires as well and I'm rolling faster than i could w/o the fork. thought you still have to try to balance the front and the back, so keeping the back at about 9lbs for general trail riding feels good but i'm riding more out of the saddle then previously. the fork allows you to ride faster and the back kicks harder as a result.
    My biggest concern now it that this past weekend the new fork allowed me to out ride my ability. i was going through mottled sunlit trails waaay faster than i could have w a rigid (carver carbon fork previously and usually ran about 8lbs of air).
    i have not noticed any stiffness issues either pro or con, so i'll take that as a pro. albeit heavier than my carver carbon fork i ride it isn't doing anything odd in roots or rocks. On chewed out fireroads its ridiculously nice.

    Cons:
    there is slightly more stiction in comparison to the fox forks i've had but i'm trying some judy butter tonight to see if that helps.
    small bump compliance on slow terrain isn't great. i may have too much air still (60lbs for me, i'm 170lbs, and 45lbs for her and she's 110).
    any less than 40lbs of air and the fork sags under its weight so there's a fine line.
    the QR hurts when you close it by hand. significant mechanical advantage to the lever helps make it really really tight but the physical shape of the lever isn't hand friendly. i'm snugging it w my hand and then pushing it closed w the sole of my shoe...that works fine actually.

    initially i was thinking it'll be perfect for 3 seasons and i'll take it off for winter. now...i have my doubts honestly. the fork has a lockout lever and except for commuting or climbing i dont' like riding the bike now w the fork rigid.
    personally i think this is likely now the 'new normal' for me for fat.
    I've loaned it to 3 friends while out on rides. Each has said that it feels much much better than rigid.

    She will now be selling her full squish mtb and using the 9zero7 + fork for all endurance and UCI styled 2hr racing. its SO much more confidence inspiring for her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    From the other Carver fork thread:
    Duggus, thank you. Yes I read that at Carver's site. I am always skeptical at feedback posted at the vendors site. Seems a vendor can edit what they want to at their own website if they were so inclined. As twisted as it seems, I would value hearing several "MTBR style rake them over the coals" type real world reviews.
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    I've got two of the Carver forks in hand. The only thing between me and getting it mounted is a couple parts and a 400+ mile road bike ride in Michigan from Lansing to Sault Saint Marie that runs Wed-Sun. Then I'll get to work updating my Beargrease and a buddy's Mukluk. The Beargrease is awaiting some parts from Hope to convert my Fatsno QR hub to 15mm. The Mukluk wheel will get laced to the hub that came with the fork as the Salsa front hub cannot be converted.

    I doubt I'll be trying it in each of the travel positions unless I don't like 110mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjdog800 View Post
    I've got two of the Carver forks in hand. The only thing between me and getting it mounted is a couple parts and a 400+ mile road bike ride in Michigan from Lansing to Sault Saint Marie that runs Wed-Sun. Then I'll get to work updating my Beargrease and a buddy's Mukluk. The Beargrease is awaiting some parts from Hope to convert my Fatsno QR hub to 15mm. The Mukluk wheel will get laced to the hub that came with the fork as the Salsa front hub cannot be converted.

    I doubt I'll be trying it in each of the travel positions unless I don't like 110mm.
    Sorry if the info might already be out there but ... does it come with some links or a manual that shows a blow-up of the fork or say anything about the system in use there.. like open bath or sealed cartridge type etc.

    Asking as the first thing I usually do is open up any new fork and check thru oil level and butter it up more from the inside if necessary.. would be nice not to run into unexpected "uh oh"
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    Exactly: we have no real information about this fork. It appears to be of Taiwan manufacture, distributed to a few businesses worldwide right now, We have NO IDEA how it works. Unfortunately, it's the only game in town, and I for one, am not willing to dish out $900 dollars for a hope. There are $1000.00 forks for other wheel sizes on the market that are complete crap in the damping and spring "feel" department, let alone, the flexy department. This fork could be, after more than 10 people have bought and ridden one for more than 5 days, a total piece of crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Exactly: we have no real information about this fork. It appears to be of Taiwan manufacture, distributed to a few businesses worldwide right now, We have NO IDEA how it works. Unfortunately, it's the only game in town, and I for one, am not willing to dish out $900 dollars for a hope. There are $1000.00 forks for other wheel sizes on the market that are complete crap in the damping and spring "feel" department, let alone, the flexy department. This fork could be, after more than 10 people have bought and ridden one for more than 5 days, a total piece of crap.
    Yeah, but soon everything will be frozen here, we'll be riding fatbikes, and in the middle of winter after you've been pounded on rigid all winter long, you're going to think a rockshox quadra 5 is gold coming from a moose's a$$. See how it works? In 4 months you'll forget how suspension rides... But yeah, if this singlecrown inverted fork is torsionally stiff, it will be the first ever in mountain biking.
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    axle 15mm only and dropouts without bolts to keep it tight ? it doesn't talk to me much
    i hope i'm wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by anvil_den View Post
    Sorry if the info might already be out there but ... does it come with some links or a manual that shows a blow-up of the fork or say anything about the system in use there.. like open bath or sealed cartridge type etc.

    Asking as the first thing I usually do is open up any new fork and check thru oil level and butter it up more from the inside if necessary.. would be nice not to run into unexpected "uh oh"
    thanks
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    There is an 8 page owners manual that describes the operation (right side damping, left side air spring) and warranty from the Taiwan manufacturer handled through the dealer. Parts etc. are or will be available. Doesn't have an exploded view, which would be nice, but does recommend maintenance intervals and describes how to adjust the travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFX big foot View Post
    axle 15mm only and dropouts without bolts to keep it tight ? it doesn't talk to me much
    i hope i'm wrong
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    Re: Fat Bike Inverted Forks Are Here!

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Duggus, thank you. Yes I read that at Carver's site. I am always skeptical at feedback posted at the vendors site. Seems a vendor can edit what they want to at their own website if they were so inclined. As twisted as it seems, I would value hearing several "MTBR style rake them over the coals" type real world reviews.
    That was actually from a forum person, not the Carver site. So probably the first review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Exactly: we have no real information about this fork. It appears to be of Taiwan manufacture, distributed to a few businesses worldwide right now, We have NO IDEA how it works. Unfortunately, it's the only game in town, and I for one, am not willing to dish out $900 dollars for a hope. There are $1000.00 forks for other wheel sizes on the market that are complete crap in the damping and spring "feel" department, let alone, the flexy department. This fork could be, after more than 10 people have bought and ridden one for more than 5 days, a total piece of crap.
    So I was lucky enough to get my hands on one of the first Trans Fat forks. Itís got the tapered steerer and 15mm thru axle. I have it on a 2013 Carver OíBeast which is my 2nd Carver (the first one was a ti 96er which I have set up as a half-fat bike).

    I rode a first generation Mukluk for years and including in the Vermont 50 bike race. That was (and is) a great bike but really beat me up on rocky New England downhill trails. When I got my new Carver with the steel enabler fork (and ti bars) I was impressed that the ride was smoother and attributed it to the frame material (Ti).

    I had my Trans Fat fork installed on the same bike earlier this week and have about 10 miles on mixed trails. All I can say is Holy SH**T. Itís a remarkable change and I donít think Iíll go back to rigid except when there is snow on the ground. The axle to crown is a bit longer and I like that when getting the gravity assist. I am a big guy (285#) and the fork seems very stiff and I get full travel with 120psi in it and no tire rub with a lightweight Larry on a Marge Lite. I was never happy with the early generation 29er forks (REBA) because of the flex and this is way better. I increased my tire pressure and seem to ride faster on the road to and from the trails as a result. The bike also handles better with more air in the tires. The bike gained 2 pounds and now sits at 32# even with durable parts (XT, 180mm rotors, gravity dropper, Thompson stem, etc) and marge lite rims and Q tubes.

    I know a lot of people knock the upside down forks but I like that the stanchions are not getting covered in all that muck from my tire and as long as they can make it stiff (and they did) I am happy. Plus the thru-axle front wheel is easier to take off vs my New Surly hubs with bolts. All in all I am a huge fan. The only downside for me seems to be the money invested but this seems to eliminate the ďneedĒ for a suspended fat bike to keep up with my friends on the downhills. I canít compare it to a lefty and hope someone will do a back-to-back test at some point. Carver / Bikeman is a great shop to deal with. If you ride fat in the summer I think itís worth a try.

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    Thanks for the review^^^ I still worry about tipping over in the rocks and scratching the stanchions where I would normally scratch the lowers which is no big deal. Just something I need to work through I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Thanks for the review^^^ I still worry about tipping over in the rocks and scratching the stanchions where I would normally scratch the lowers which is no big deal. Just something I need to work through I guess.
    Now I am thinking of Road Warrior mods for these inverted forks... like some sort of "side shields" that would connect to the axle and then along the side just long enough to cover the exposed stanchions. Wouldn't have to be that strong... just enough to protect the sides. Hmmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    ^ didn't the mavs have something like that?
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    doesn't lizard skins make some kinda fork boots? just use those?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TitanofChaos View Post
    doesn't lizard skins make some kinda fork boots? just use those?
    Generally not a good idea, they soak up any lube on the stanchions and having something resting on the stanchions the entire time accelerates wear. There are some situations where people use them and they might be warranted, but that is rare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Yep.
    Huh... I hadn't seen that fork. Are those sides removable? Carver should jump on top of this and make some carbon sides like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    Huh... I hadn't seen that fork. Are those sides removable? Carver should jump on top of this and make some carbon sides like that.
    Yep. This is also a semi-viable fatbike fork. 3.x" tires only with trials rims will fit. No personal experience, but a number of people on this forum have done it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bear Spleen View Post
    Sorry for the delay, here's an additional snippet.
    Any chance that there's a pic on the damper side

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    I think MCS was one of them before he finnered out the lefty
    Yep, played with both the SC and DUC.

    SC was better for clearance (RD with a 3.8 Nate *barely*), but crummy on flex.

    DUC was crummy on clearance (RD with 3.8 Nate rubbed at full travel due to bulged uppers), but solid for stiffness.

    Matters not, since it can't be used, but the newest version of the "fork that cannot be mentioned so as to keep NV happy" uses a crap guard quite similar to the Mavericks.....

    If the Carver one doesn't offer it currently, they'd best get on that, pronto!
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    How is it a company like X-Fusion can put out a new fork (also made in Taiwan) for several hundred $ less?

    I guess also for the same reason an ordinary carbon frame can be had for several hundred vs the couple thousand carbon fat frames are not.


    I know, markets, demand, ect..... Still is a little unbelievable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forrestvt View Post
    How is it a company like X-Fusion can put out a new fork (also made in Taiwan) for several hundred $ less?

    I guess also for the same reason an ordinary carbon frame can be had for several hundred vs the couple thousand carbon fat frames are not.


    I know, markets, demand, ect..... Still is a little unbelievable.
    That's it right there. How many fat bikes are sold for every normal one? Fraction of a percent I'd imagine...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Matters not, since it can't be used, but the newest version of the "fork that cannot be mentioned so as to keep NV happy" uses a crap guard quite similar to the Mavericks.....

    If the Carver one doesn't offer it currently, they'd best get on that, pronto!
    Thats a full time J O B with long hrs. Be happy the new product has hit the market for the masses regardless of guard or not it'll sell plenty.
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