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    The Fat Bike Bubble Is Gonna Burst

    Alright, we all know that recently a lot of people have gotten involved in producing Fat Bikes and related items. The flood of new gear ( would I be safe to say 90% of the gear is new bikes, not new rubber, boots, racks, etc? wtf) has introduced the possibility of "owning" a fat bike to many whom couldn't afford the initial offerings.

    I appreciate that everyone is trying to get a piece of that pie, but what 99% of new (sub $1k) fat bike owners won't be able to afford is all the gear required for multi-season adventures they see so many pictures of others enjoying, much less the repair and maintenance associated with what most would consider typical fat bike use (i.e. extreme conditions). Not only will they be put off my some of those prices, they might actually get offended when they walk into the shop (after that awesome fat bike river adventure) with a toased bottom bracket or trashed rear hub and have to put up anywhere from $50 to $xxx? to get it fixed, only to expect it to happen again the next time they venture off the beaten path (if they don't perform their own repairs).

    Then winter rolls around and they want to utilize clipless....HOW MUCH!! wtf? Stick a tree branch through your bud, lou, or nate, and need a new tire after only 20 miles....HOW MUCH!! wtf?

    While I do see a lot of people being able to afford the initial invenstment of the bike, I invision a lot of bikes staying in the garage, broke down, or left unused because it just costs too much to operate.

    I had a friend who bought a nice used z06 vette a few years back, and showed it off to all his friends. Did monster burnout and launched that thing off the line every chance he could (which is fairly typical for vette fellas). When it came time to put new tires on the back of that piggy....he shit a brick. Found a pair of tires and quickly put that car back on the auction block. We wanted to play sooooo bad, but found it costs wayyy too much.

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    I am one of the newbies who bought a cheap fat bike (Motobecane) - the lower price allowed me to come to terms with buying a bike that had a strong chance of only seeing snow use (around here that's typically 6-8 rides per winter). My regular bike is a RIP9 - 29er FS with 5" of travel. I have a hardtail that sees no use because its just not fun to ride, there was a chance the fat bike would fall into that category as well, so I didn't want to spend big money to find that out.

    After riding the FB4 for almost 4 months I'm ready to dive in deeper and buy a lighter fat bike. I'm scouring the 'net looking for a deal. Perhaps I am in the category of shocked at the prices of these things, but I think/hope this bubble is creating less expensive options. I understand why some things are expensive, but other parts its pure gouging, someone is making a lot of money on some of this fat bike gear. Sure some of the expense is due to low quantity manufacturing, but not all.

    I guess I'm just saying these cheaper options have brought some (like me) into the fat fold and I plan on staying here for a long time. I love riding my fat bike and look forward to riding one that's 7 or 8 pounds lighter eventually.

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    A thought:

    most of the people who want to try fatbiking live where there is snow. And since they want to try fat biking, there's a good chance they're already at least semi-athletic. Some of them probably already own bikes.

    You know how much gear I had to buy when I bought my first fatbike? None.

    Because I already have cold weather gear from xc skiing, cycling, snowshoeing, etc.

    I have winter gear just for getting to the office in my car because I live where it gets cold. My wife, who does not care much for bikes, already has all the gear she needs to go ride in the winter because again, she lives where it's cold. She has shell pants, pac-boots, coats, jackets, etc. Not because she's a super athlete but because that's just what you have when you live where it snows and gets cold.

    Because otherwise you go insane.

    Here is the grand total special winter gear I have bought for fatbiking since I started 3 years ago: A pair of clipless boots. Cost, around $100, because they were on sale. (I have the LG boots the Fasterkatts were based on). I wear them in fall and spring on my road bike, as well.

    Everything else, I already had.

    You could make this same argument for anyone getting into any winter sport- XC skis cost how much?

    You could make this argument about cycling in general- "How much are a set of wheels? are you F'ing kidding me?"

    Fatbikes are pocket change compared to what average riders will drop on a road bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    ...I appreciate that everyone is trying to get a piece of that pie, but what 99% of new (sub $1k) fat bike owners won't be able to afford is all the gear required for multi-season adventures they see so many pictures of others enjoying, much less the repair and maintenance associated with what most would consider typical fat bike use (i.e. extreme conditions)...
    I think you're totally wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckfiddious View Post
    A thought....
    Fatbikes are pocket change compared to what average riders will drop on a road bike.
    This^^^

    My wheels for my road bike alone cost more than my new fat bike.

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    I got no clue what typical fat bike usage is .. retired my 29er to ride my 8k$ fatbike all year, got HuskerDu, Knard, Lou, BFL spares and don't worry about repairs as my drivetrain is standard X0 with normal priced bottom bracket that just has a 100mm tube instead of a smaller and rest are Hope parts so easyly replaceable.


    Ohh, wait you said <1k$ fatbikes .. Well imho they got the same issues as other <1k$ Mountainbikes in regards to parts quality and chance to break things.

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    In my neck of the woods there are a butt-ton of people who have bought fatbikes in the last 2 years although only a small handful actually ride them. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next few years. If the bubble/fad bursts there might be a lot of very lightly used fatties for sale. Either way, I'll be still be riding!

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    Had to chime in here cause I'm someone saving for a fatty. Not sure if I'm going with the more budget route or not at this point. But I have time to see how the budget bikes hold up.

    I could write a boom on how wrong op's post is. Some points already made. Simple matter though, more ppl own them, more options that come out. No more costly than any other bike. Those of us that live in places that get an actual winter already have gear for the weather. And its not expensive to make yourself comfortable for snow riding if u do some research. Hell I am happy and comfy with only a couple hundred spent on gear.

    Repair costs I have to lol at. Those that can buy a fat bike either can do the work themselves or can afford repairs. I and many i know can do the work themselves. Yes I see plenty ending up in garages but that's said for every type of bike.

    And I could go on, no bubble bursting, just options will grow to fill the need.

    But this with all o biking though is a serious issue of why in the hell are bicycle parts far more expensive than auto parts. Tires for example, for bike or car cost the same but bike tires last 1/4 as long.

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    Well, maybe all of these poor people should have used their pennies to buy a case of cat food to feed their families instead of a fatbike. Perhaps they should use these contraptions as transportation to go out and find a job. The war is over. The bums lost!

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    Sorry to post a large graphic, but I saw this this morning. These graphics say that the current generation of fat bikers are not bike naive. Whether this is a fad, who cares. Ride more, whine less is a motto that has served me well over the years.



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    The crazy thing is when you look at a budget fat bike build and a budget regular bike build. Take a look at the part spec on a Kona Wo for example - that's at best a $800 "regular" mountain bike, but an $1,800 fat bike! Really the only significant difference is the rims, hubs and tires. That's a difference, but $1,000?

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    Reading this thread, I just realized I've never even seen any of the inexpensive fat bikes.
    I build wheels for a shop that sells Surly, Salsa, Borealis, 9Zero7, Fatback and now, Ventana.
    The bikes leave the store as quickly as they come in and people drive for hours to get there to buy bikes.
    Living on Long Island is kind of like Fantasy Land. While the recession was in full swing a few years back, there was no shortage of people buying new cars or eating out or whatever.
    I'm even surprised at the amount of fat bike sales I'm seeing. Went riding last Sunday and saw three others on the same beach I was on.
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    Thanks for the interesting "infographic," heyyall. These things aren't for dilettantes.

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    I take it the OP doesn't own a fat bike. Maybe the Surly bubble might let some air out of the tires marginally but fat biking in general won't burst but will keep on expanding year after year as long as the trails keep producing snow/dirt/mud/ice/sand etc

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    The Fat Bike Bubble Is Gonna Burst

    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I appreciate that everyone is trying to get a piece of that pie, but what 99% of new (sub $1k) fat bike owners won't be able to afford is all the gear required for multi-season adventures they see so many pictures of others enjoying, much less the repair and maintenance associated with what most would consider typical fat bike use (i.e. extreme conditions).
    This might be the most condescending and mis-informed post I've ever seen in any bike forum anywhere. Why are you making this assumption?




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    Quote Originally Posted by mn_biker View Post
    This might be the most condescending and mis-informed post I've ever seen in any bike forum anywhere. Why are you making this assumption?




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    After your here a while you will not ask that question again! lol! And Yes the OP owns a fat bike.

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    We keep driving the prices up, longing after new things like 190/197 T/A rear hubs and 142 T/A front forks and 6" tires and full carbon frames and 1100g tires and 110mm carbon rims and and and. A basic fat bike like a Pugsley is fun, versatile and practical for all-season recreation riding and even beyond. It's staggers my mind that people are spending $5K+ on fat bikes.

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    Lots of folks buying fat bikes in NH. Lots of folks riding them.
    Lots of folks planning to buy a fat bike.
    Lots of folks having fun. Its become a 'movement' around here and the trail grooming is a big part of it. We cross train on snow shoes and skis and then ride the trails we pack.
    I even know roadies that have given a lot of their road time to their fat bikes.

    They 'ARE' relatively inexpensive, are fun to bling out and there is a bike for every pocketbook.
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    Well the bubble isn't about to burst where I am. Tomorrow I pick up my new Surly Pugs that I basically spec'd out as an Ops. Are they pricey? Yes. Are they flying out of my LBS? Yep. I'm 59 yo wanting to get back in mtb'ing; I have the means to afford one, I don't want to race, I don't need to keep up with anyone and I have oodles of places I can ride either by myself or with a group. I'm doing it to stay fit and once I checked these things out (fat bikes) I had to have one. I don't give a rats ass what anyone else thinks of fat bikes but I see myself riding this thing for years to come. And I'll do it with a smile on my face and stay fit at the same time.

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    I personally don't care if anyone thinks its trendy or a fad or whatever the word of the day is, they are fun and I enjoy riding mine. It's a free world and if you don't wanna ride a fatty then don't buy one, it's that simple.

    I do agree that the price of tires and some gear is ridiculous but as they grow more popular the price will come down, it always does with anything. But other than the tires and rims the stuff on my fatty is no different than any other parts on any of my bikes.

    Take everything with moderation, sure I could spend a load on my fatbike, carbon rims, frame bla bla, I have no reason to, I plan on riding it only when its total shit out, that's
    what its for why would I dump 5k into a bike I am going to abuse.

    As far as it breaking down, if you take care of it and keep it clean and well lubed it will last and perform as good and as long as any bike. Even if it needs a new drivetrain every winter a new SLX cassette and chain is a cheap tune-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roundtheworld View Post
    I take it the OP doesn't own a fat bike.
    He does. However, he is a known troublemaker. Beware.

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    If you find yourself getting all uppity about whether this is a "fad" or "none of your business how much my bike cost, I can afford it", or "fat biking is not dying", etc. Go back and read the OP's post. It's far more narrow than a general rant against fat bikes.

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    All major bicycle styles have gone through a tremendous growth faze that saw many people buy new expensive bicycles that mostly hang in the garage. When the off brands get in the mix then entry prices come down and the percentage of underused machines goes up. But it also introduces more people to the sport and there become more hardcore members.
    We saw this with "10-speed" bicycles in the 70s-80s and MTB in the 80s-90s and full suspension more recently. Now it appears that fat bikes are the hot new style. I expect the market to grow rapidly short term with a leveling off of growth longer term.

    As mentioned winter fat biking doesn't take much special gear beyond what most athletic people in cold climes already have. And fat bikes are not just for snow. They also excel in sand and are lots of fun on MTB trails and general exploring.

    It sure is an exciting year for fat biking!

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    I am very disappointed in Ohio. Fat bikes appear to be very unpopular here. Though not surprised as they still appear to be a rarity even in the lake effect "snow belt".

    I get crazy looks every time Im out on my old pugs.

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    The bubble is going to burst?

    Pssh. Running the air pressure too high. When in doubt, let it out.
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    way to poke the hornet's nest!

    that said, i just got back from a 10 mile 2+ hour snow ride in 15 F temp (with stopover at a pub for a cool one).

    ridiculously slow speed but sweating profusely. big ass smile on my face afterward.

    never had so much fun before. the $1800 on the moonie was the best money i've spent on a bike - ever-. and everyone i know that has one feels the same way.

    it is an exercise / explore/ get out-of-the-godddamn-basement / laugh / hard to get hurt on / machine.

    doesn't get mouch better than that.

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    What happens when the bubble burst? Will the DOW loose a couple thousand points and send our economy into a tailspin?


    I think fat bikes are just getting off the ground. It may seem like fat bike mania right now because it has been a long hard winter in many parts of the country and people are going stir crazy. In 2012, I rode all winter on my 29er and would see fat bike tracks, I though, "I don't need a fat bike because I'm riding the same trails as them." This winter is a completely different story. There has been snow on the ground nearly all winter and most of the places wouldn't be much fun on a skinny tire bike. Even on a fat bike it is pretty hard going.

    We are seeing capitalism at work. More products will end up chasing the same dollar. This is great for us consumers as we will have more options and hopefully we see economies of scale at work with better/cheaper tires sooner rather than later. I think manufactures are weary of getting caught with to many units on hand in a niche market as evidence by the big players only putting a toe in the water and scarce availability from Trek and Specialized. It's a great time to be on a fat bike but I think it will even be better in 3 years.

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    Okay guys/Gals !!your all over THINKING This , STOP It STOP It ,AAAAHHHHHHH , Now look what done .
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    Why the **** does everyone think New Zealand is part of Australia!

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    Fat bikes rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OFFcourse View Post
    Why the **** does everyone think New Zealand is part of Australia!
    Just cause we know it hurts ya down under dare. (;
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    Quote Originally Posted by OFFcourse View Post
    Why the **** does everyone think New Zealand is part of Australia!
    Because you both have the same accent.
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    Lets hope so I can pick up a used carbon fatty for a good price.

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    Re: The Fat Bike Bubble Is Gonna Burst

    It's funny how "big smile" or something similar is so often used when people describe riding a fat bike. I think it took no more then 100 yards into my first fat bike ride before I was grinning like the butcher's dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    who isn't ?
    Hmmm. Maybe one of the new guys?

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    hey OP!

    seriously

    what did you intend your post to add to this forum?
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    iT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT AND I FEEL FINE........

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    I ride a fat bike, my wife rides a fat bike, my sister in law rides a fat bike, my brother in law rides a fat bike, twelve of my friends ride fat bikes, a local shop has sold over thirty fat bikes this year but some how I think this fat bike thing ain't going to work!!! lol!

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    OP- thanks for the info, not sure what I'll do with it, but thanks.

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    Yup. It's about to burst.

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    Yes indeed, those 29'ers are just a bubble that's gonna burst any second now!
    This isn't a "you're doing it wrong" topic.

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    I read through the posts and many have made valid points that only help add to the validity of my predictions. I think many were too offended to realize that the majority of people posting have been on a fatty for less than 1 year, and are in fact part of the bubble.

    I might have made a mistake by assuming most would use their fat bike like I do. I ride river banks, sand and gravel pits, through the woods blazing trails, in the slush, snow, freezing rain, -10f and sometimes even on dry single track on sunny days. I feel the above conditions are the apitamy of fat biking.

    Yes, some have the gear to go out and ride in the snow, but others who don't will experience a pretty hefty hit to the wallet, if you intend to buy equipment that will last.

    I did not mean to imply that I am against the new bike designs, I just don't think many realize what flooding the market will create.

    Good tires will always cost big money, good clothes and equipment will always cost big money. Do the majority of fat bike owners own the correct tools and have the correct knowledge to maintain their bikes as often as some riding conditions require?

    Just for shits and giggles I will throw some numbers out on a decent winter setup.

    Head to toe.

    1) Good Snowboarding Helmet (which I prefer for many different cold riding temps).$100
    2) Headband $30
    3) Balaclava $30-90
    4) Goggles $100+
    5) Base Layer $30-100
    6) Mid Layer (gotta be wool) $60+
    7) Outer Layer $60+
    8) Gloves $30-100
    9) Pogies $50+
    10) Base Layer Bottom $30+
    11) Mid-Layer Bottom $50+
    12) Outer Layer $30+
    13) Boots $100-330

    I am sure there are some things I am forgetting, but I feel that I listed the low end of most products. But that is over $800 worth of stuff if you don't have any winter riding gear. Yes, you can get away with some things that are cheaper or aren't exactly meant for winter riding, but eventually you will be wanting what works and what lasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I read through the posts and many have made valid points that only help add to the validity of my predictions. I think many were too offended to realize that the majority of people posting have been on a fatty for less than 1 year, and are in fact part of the bubble.

    I might have made a mistake by assuming most would use their fat bike like I do. I ride river banks, sand and gravel pits, through the woods blazing trails, in the slush, snow, freezing rain, -10f and sometimes even on dry single track on sunny days. I feel the above conditions are the apitamy of fat biking.

    Yes, some have the gear to go out and ride in the snow, but others who don't will experience a pretty hefty hit to the wallet, if you intend to buy equipment that will last.

    I did not mean to imply that I am against the new bike designs, I just don't think many realize what flooding the market will create.

    Good tires will always cost big money, good clothes and equipment will always cost big money. Do the majority of fat bike owners own the correct tools and have the correct knowledge to maintain their bikes as often as some riding conditions require?

    Just for shits and giggles I will throw some numbers out on a decent winter setup.

    Head to toe.

    1) Good Snowboarding Helmet (which I prefer for many different cold riding temps).$100
    2) Headband $30
    3) Balaclava $30-90
    4) Goggles $100+
    5) Base Layer $30-100
    6) Mid Layer (gotta be wool) $60+
    7) Outer Layer $60+
    8) Gloves $30-100
    9) Pogies $50+
    10) Base Layer Bottom $30+
    11) Mid-Layer Bottom $50+
    12) Outer Layer $30+
    13) Boots $100-330

    I am sure there are some things I am forgetting, but I feel that I listed the low end of most products. But that is over $800 worth of stuff if you don't have any winter riding gear. Yes, you can get away with some things that are cheaper or aren't exactly meant for winter riding, but eventually you will be wanting what works and what lasts.
    Wow, the troll is strong with you today. What are you trying to prove? Why do you have to demonstrate your biking is superior to others?

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    I bought a -gasp- walmart fat bike and added gears from another old bike. Have put on about 300 miles so far. Total investment - about $250. Extra gear I had to buy - zero.

    When I take out one of our snowmobiles it's a tank of gas and oil each trip. A trip up state is a three hundred dollar day - with food and gas. If you stay overnight add a couple hundred.

    Dude needs to get a reality check and get off his high horse.

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    The Fat Bike Bubble Is Gonna Burst

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    Head to toe.

    1) Good Snowboarding Helmet (which I prefer for many different cold riding temps).$100
    2) Headband $30
    3) Balaclava $30-90
    4) Goggles $100+
    5) Base Layer $30-100
    6) Mid Layer (gotta be wool) $60+
    7) Outer Layer $60+
    8) Gloves $30-100
    9) Pogies $50+
    10) Base Layer Bottom $30+
    11) Mid-Layer Bottom $50+
    12) Outer Layer $30+
    13) Boots $100-330

    I am sure there are some things I am forgetting, but I feel that I listed the low end of most products. But that is over $800 worth of stuff if you don't have any winter riding gear. Yes, you can get away with some things that are cheaper or aren't exactly meant for winter riding, but eventually you will be wanting what works and what lasts.
    The only gear on that list that is "exactly meant for winter riding" is a pair of pogies, and maybe the boots, depending.

    I don't have a fatbike. Maybe I will one day, but I enjoy Nordic skiing this time of year. Between that and other year-round activities, I have all the rest of it, several times over. And more. This point was already made- most people who are getting into winter riding are like me, and already have all that.

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    Damn, I live 3 miles from the beach in South Mississippi and was not aware I needed all the winter gear for our average 50 degree winter temps. Maybe you can post me a link to what the proper attire would be.

    I purchased a Framed Minnesota 2.0 because I could easily afford it and didn't need to put it on a credit card. It is exactly what I wanted to play in the sand and get a good workout during the "cooler" and wetter months. I also want to start commuting to work and don't want to lock up my carbon road bike in a parking garage while at work.

    Do I believe there is a fatbike "tax"...yes. It is just part of the game. As more people get into the sport, prices will come down. If the players in the market now don't adapt, they will disappear.

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    Wow, the troll is strong with you today. What are you trying to prove? Why do you have to demonstrate your biking is superior to others?
    I don't know what it is. The lack of sleep, too much time spent at work, or a dryer that keeps turning off on its' own. I don't feel superior in any way, but maybe my typing suggests different.

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    Damn, I live 3 miles from the beach in South Mississippi and was not aware I needed all the winter gear for our average 50 degree winter temps. Maybe you can post me a link to what the proper attire would be.
    Your experiences don't apply here. Try finding your gear @ www.iheartbbc.com

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    jonshonda I think you have been hanging out with that grumpy old guy bucksomeone...too much, go ride your bike!

    Oh and I fixed your cold weather gear list...

    1)hip flask $30
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    jonshonda I think you have been hanging out with that grumpy old guy bucksomeone...too much, go ride your bike!

    Oh and I fixed your cold weather gear list...

    1)hip flask $30
    2)whiskey $39
    Noted!

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    The Fat Bike Bubble Is Gonna Burst-image.jpgThat's the problem with people who buy dryers. They just don't realize the expense of owning one. The fabric sheets. The electricity they consume. Or the gas. And when they break down who is going to be able to afford the repairs... Soon there will be broken dryers littered in back yards across
    America.

    If only they had known...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I read through the posts and many have made valid points that only help add to the validity of my predictions. I think many were too offended to realize that the majority of people posting have been on a fatty for less than 1 year, and are in fact part of the bubble.

    I might have made a mistake by assuming most would use their fat bike like I do. I ride river banks, sand and gravel pits, through the woods blazing trails, in the slush, snow, freezing rain, -10f and sometimes even on dry single track on sunny days. I feel the above conditions are the apitamy of fat biking.

    Yes, some have the gear to go out and ride in the snow, but others who don't will experience a pretty hefty hit to the wallet, if you intend to buy equipment that will last.

    I did not mean to imply that I am against the new bike designs, I just don't think many realize what flooding the market will create.

    Good tires will always cost big money, good clothes and equipment will always cost big money. Do the majority of fat bike owners own the correct tools and have the correct knowledge to maintain their bikes as often as some riding conditions require?

    Just for shits and giggles I will throw some numbers out on a decent winter setup.

    Head to toe.

    1) Good Snowboarding Helmet (which I prefer for many different cold riding temps).$100
    2) Headband $30
    3) Balaclava $30-90
    4) Goggles $100+
    5) Base Layer $30-100
    6) Mid Layer (gotta be wool) $60+
    7) Outer Layer $60+
    8) Gloves $30-100
    9) Pogies $50+
    10) Base Layer Bottom $30+
    11) Mid-Layer Bottom $50+
    12) Outer Layer $30+
    13) Boots $100-330

    I am sure there are some things I am forgetting, but I feel that I listed the low end of most products. But that is over $800 worth of stuff if you don't have any winter riding gear. Yes, you can get away with some things that are cheaper or aren't exactly meant for winter riding, but eventually you will be wanting what works and what lasts.


    I have multiple sets of all the above except I am maybe lacking on the snow board helmet as I only have 1. I also have cold weather underwear not noted but I guess some will need to budget for those darn undies. As a runner/skier/winter biker these are items I have had for years so not going to need to spend money on them. I also occasionally road bike in the winter as our Canadian highways do occasionally clear enough on the shoulders to allow for some insanely cold road bikes where you have natural and man made wind chills that can easily reach into the -40 Celsius range. Cold has never stopped me yet and I enjoy the challenge on trying to ride in the coldest days of the year just to prove to myself that I am a true Canadian. I would rather ride in -30 than +30. Once you have the gear the fun part is picking the right items that will allow you to beat the elements. Maintaining good health would be worth spending all the amounts you are crystal balling above x 100 and to me at this point biking is extremely cheap when compared to taking the family up to the ski hills on the weekends. I have fun either way and I am sure others have loads of the above like me well before they ever added a fat bike to their winter fun options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Your experiences don't apply here. Try finding your gear @ www.iheartbbc.com
    That's the same website where I first met your wife. She sure is a lot of fun!!

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    While not as dire as the orig poster seems to think, he does have a point.

    But some of it cooks down to the crowd you ride with.

    Surprisingly, few posters seem to be concerned with access issue in this thread; a poorly equipped rider can modify his or her pace to accomodate his gear, but only if he has a safe place to ride. With the exploding numbers of fatbikes pressuring areas that may not be friendly to us, I see that as a bigger issue.

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ID:	869141That's the problem with people who buy dryers. They just don't realize the expense of owning one. The fabric sheets. The electricity they consume. Or the gas. And when they break down who is going to be able to afford the repairs... Soon there will be broken dryers littered in back yards across
    America.

    If only they had known...
    You actually bring up a great point GiantTurd. You would think that with so many people owning dryers that everyone would know exactly what to do to remedy the problem. But I promise you that 95% of people would have either called a repair man, or said f it and replaced it with a new one when confronted with a issue similar to mine. There are hundreds of appliances discarded every day by people who either don't have the money, time, or resources to get them fixed. They either stop using it, or simply replace it with a new one.

    But I have the ability and motivation to try my best to fix it before I resort to paying for someone else to do it. It took me over 2 hrs, but I repaired the problem, which involved removing almost every part of the dryer to accomplish. 2 hrs of my time saved me well over $100.

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    I like how your concern with the discarding of dryers is an attempt to demonstrate how your frustration with yours is far superior than other people who either don't have the money (poor people), time (lazy people) or resources (poor lazy people). No superiority complex here...

    You almost for a second had me believing that your concern for dryers was that you did not wish it to end up in a landfill but then you own a dryer to begin with, so I should have known.
    Now the repairman is poor, your clothes are dry and the $100 you saved can be used to pay for the electricity the dryer uses in the next three loads.

    I think I'm just being a smarta** because of all this sleeping in, then spending most of the day out riding my bike and the rest of it drinking beer in my underpants :-p

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBBaron View Post
    I am very disappointed in Ohio. Fat bikes appear to be very unpopular here. Though not surprised as they still appear to be a rarity even in the lake effect "snow belt".

    I get crazy looks every time Im out on my old pugs.
    There's a few of us locals in the Dayton area that have fatbikes and ride them a lot.

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    "GiantTurd" - I like it. A name change might be in order.

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    If your fix doesn't work, maybe this would be helpful.

    Lack of air flow. This could be due to a kinked/crushed vent, a buildup of lint in the dryer itself or in the vent, or a failing blower.

    First, look behind the dryer (*MOVING IT AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE*) to see if the hose has become kinked or otherwise blocked. If it's kinked/crushed, you've found the problem.

    Next, turn on the dryer (set it to a non-heat setting so it doesn't shut off right away), and check for air flow where the vent exits the house. Then disconnect the vent hose from the back of the dryer where it connects to the wall (leave it attached to the dryer), and check the air flow there.

    If the air flow is much stronger at the dryer than outside, you've got a restriction in the in-wall vent line (most likely lint build-up, but it could be a piece of clothing, or even an animal or animal nest). Unless it's a short, straight vent run, you'll probable need a service call to fix it.

    If the air flow is still restricted, remove the hose from the back of the dryer and clean it out (run a broom stick through it, knock it to loosen up the lint build-up, etc).

    Nothing in the hose? Check the air flow at the back of the dryer. Still low? You'll have to open up the dryer case to do any more. Access varies from brand to brand, but typically the front comes off.

    Does your dryer make a squeeling noise when it's running? This could be indicative of a blower fan slipping on it's shaft, which would result in reduced air flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I read through the posts and many have made valid points that only help add to the validity of my predictions. I think many were too offended to realize that the majority of people posting have been on a fatty for less than 1 year, and are in fact part of the bubble.

    I might have made a mistake by assuming most would use their fat bike like I do. I ride river banks, sand and gravel pits, through the woods blazing trails, in the slush, snow, freezing rain, -10f and sometimes even on dry single track on sunny days. I feel the above conditions are the apitamy of fat biking.

    Yes, some have the gear to go out and ride in the snow, but others who don't will experience a pretty hefty hit to the wallet, if you intend to buy equipment that will last.

    I did not mean to imply that I am against the new bike designs, I just don't think many realize what flooding the market will create.

    Good tires will always cost big money, good clothes and equipment will always cost big money. Do the majority of fat bike owners own the correct tools and have the correct knowledge to maintain their bikes as often as some riding conditions require?

    Just for shits and giggles I will throw some numbers out on a decent winter setup.

    Head to toe.

    1) Good Snowboarding Helmet (which I prefer for many different cold riding temps).$100
    2) Headband $30
    3) Balaclava $30-90
    4) Goggles $100+
    5) Base Layer $30-100
    6) Mid Layer (gotta be wool) $60+
    7) Outer Layer $60+
    8) Gloves $30-100
    9) Pogies $50+
    10) Base Layer Bottom $30+
    11) Mid-Layer Bottom $50+
    12) Outer Layer $30+
    13) Boots $100-330

    I am sure there are some things I am forgetting, but I feel that I listed the low end of most products. But that is over $800 worth of stuff if you don't have any winter riding gear. Yes, you can get away with some things that are cheaper or aren't exactly meant for winter riding, but eventually you will be wanting what works and what lasts.


    I've had my fatbike for 3 years now. But I've been riding in the winter for 20+ years now and already had all of the winter riding gear I needed. I didn't have to buy a single bit of gear.

    There's a few things on your list that I question the need for most folks. Here in Ohio I ride down to about 5 degrees F (I realize we don't get as cold as other areas so this reply is probably more locale-related than anything). I don't need goggles and I wear a regular cycling helmet with my beanie or balaclava (depending on temp) under it. Didn't need Pogies, my Pearl Izumi Lobster gloves get me down to 5 degrees just fine. Didn't need special boots, the winter Sidi's I was riding with before my fatbike purchase work just the same on a bike with 4" tires.

    The only things I had to purchase were two spare tubes and I splurged for a rack on the rear to carry tools and tubes (and my handsaw).

    I think that most folks buying a fatbike are already riding during the winter so they mostly already have what they need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thickfog View Post
    Yup. It's about to burst.

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    Ha! Funny to see this here.

    With regards to the original post, I do see a goodly number of people who purchased fatbikes and overestimated their capabilities / difficulty and aren't riding them very much. I strongly suspect that there'll be a wealth of used fatbikes for sale this spring and next autumn. While there are a LOT of fatbikers out riding here in SE Michigan, I think there's also a lot of fatbikes just sitting in garages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c0nsumer View Post
    ...I do see a goodly number of people who purchased fatbikes and overestimated their capabilities / difficulty and aren't riding them very much...
    I'm expecting to see this too. Fatbiking in the snow is hard work, it just gets you further than an ordinary bike, and requires a decent level of bike fitness.

    Some will stick with it and get fitter and keep riding.

    Others will simply find it too hard. Then they will go on the forums to rubbish fatbikes and insult their riders, and get mortally offended when one of the insultees tells them they are an unfit fat tosser. Next step - sell the bike.
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    WOW... IS there a lot of butt-hurt going on in this thread!!!

    Some of you guys sure feel attacked easy.

    And I don't believe 90% of the people posting here actually got the point of the thread. But keep on...

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    I came for the hate, and stayed for the dryer advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancake Adventure View Post
    I came for the hate, and stayed for the dryer advice.
    me too.... :/)
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    the OP is overreacting... how many ppl actually put the bikes into the wear and tear such that it requires a new BB after every ride?

    don't even compare the z06 expenditure pattern to owning a fat bicycle...

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    There have been tons of fat bikes sold around here and the market is getting flooded with them. That is good for me! I cant wait to buy a used fatbike for cheap off of someone who only used it a couple times. They are fun, pretty cheap, and its a great substitute for when we have a foot of snow.

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    The laundromats around here suck. Some really sketchy looking individuals hang out there, so you have to watch that your clothes don't get stolen.
    I bought a used washer and drier (old already, but both of 'em worked just fine) from the local used appliance dealer back in 1992, and they didn't die until 2006. They were $100 each. Never had any problems with them. Had to replace an old hot water hose, but that isn't a problem. When they finally went kaput, all it took was a phone call, and the same outfit I bought 'em from sent a truck over for free to pick them up for recycling.
    Now I have new "energy star" appliances that work even better and use much less electricity.

    As far as fat bike criticism goes, I can't understand why anybody would rag or rant on other people's personal choices in matters such as this. Its not as if a bicycle were as offensive a thing as say, a 4-wheeler!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancake Adventure View Post
    I came for the hate, and stayed for the dryer advice.
    Winner!

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    I just bought my wife a new washer and dryer using my tax return. Now I'm panicking because of all of the unforseen costs. Damn it!
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    I didn't read most of this thread because it looked to be a cesspool of internet waste, but one on-topic comment:

    I don't own a fatbike but I have a hard time believing there will be any large bubbles bursting given the number of people saying it's the most fun bike they own. There's some magic there, and hence the bikes will stick around.

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    OP if this is some sort of trolling, I don't quite understand it. You're not making anyone angry...

    If the bubble bursts, then fantastic eBay deals will appear for people who want to play in the soapy film that is left over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OFFcourse View Post
    jonshonda I think you have been hanging out with that grumpy old guy bucksomeone...too much, go ride your bike!

    Oh and I fixed your cold weather gear list...

    1)hip flask $30
    2)whiskey $39
    George Dickel # 12 Tennessee whiskey, about $25.00 and a clean canteen ss water bottle you already have.....

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    Wait, biking costs money and I have to wear warm clothes when it's cold? Dammit. Lived in New England all my life and never thought to buy multi purpose, sporting wear in polypro, wool, silk or fleece. Rats. I'll just buy their dusty bike and flip them or come up with a rental fleet, whoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I read through the posts and many have made valid points that only help add to the validity of my predictions. I think many were too offended to realize that the majority of people posting have been on a fatty for less than 1 year, and are in fact part of the bubble.

    I might have made a mistake by assuming most would use their fat bike like I do. I ride river banks, sand and gravel pits, through the woods blazing trails, in the slush, snow, freezing rain, -10f and sometimes even on dry single track on sunny days. I feel the above conditions are the apitamy of fat biking.

    Yes, some have the gear to go out and ride in the snow, but others who don't will experience a pretty hefty hit to the wallet, if you intend to buy equipment that will last.

    I did not mean to imply that I am against the new bike designs, I just don't think many realize what flooding the market will create.

    Good tires will always cost big money, good clothes and equipment will always cost big money. Do the majority of fat bike owners own the correct tools and have the correct knowledge to maintain their bikes as often as some riding conditions require?

    Just for shits and giggles I will throw some numbers out on a decent winter setup.

    Head to toe.

    1) Good Snowboarding Helmet (which I prefer for many different cold riding temps).$100
    2) Headband $30
    3) Balaclava $30-90
    4) Goggles $100+
    5) Base Layer $30-100
    6) Mid Layer (gotta be wool) $60+
    7) Outer Layer $60+
    8) Gloves $30-100
    9) Pogies $50+
    10) Base Layer Bottom $30+
    11) Mid-Layer Bottom $50+
    12) Outer Layer $30+
    13) Boots $100-330

    I am sure there are some things I am forgetting, but I feel that I listed the low end of most products. But that is over $800 worth of stuff if you don't have any winter riding gear. Yes, you can get away with some things that are cheaper or aren't exactly meant for winter riding, but eventually you will be wanting what works and what lasts.
    You begin the post admitting to mistakenly assuming that everyone rides their bikes the way you do yours... but yet proceed to double down on that mistaken assumption.

    Many people can get by with only a couple items from your list. Here's how. They take their normal riding clothes and add layers from their existing wardrobe. It doesn't have to be bike specific or perfect. Most people own a sweater and a light weight shell or windbreaker. Add a hat, some wool socks and a any decent pair of gloves and you're good to go.

    On tonight's 15F ride I'll be wearing nice gloves, skull cap and multiple layers of my normal gear under my normal wind proof shell. Here's what that looks like:
    Bobsledema - January 2nd 2013 - YouTube
    Or a daylight ride:
    Roaring Run - 2013-02-17 - YouTube

    Not everyone's rides resemble this but that's where much of the recent fat growth has come from.

    You can spend $800 but you don't have to. If you can afford it and want it, great! Otherwise, throw on some more layers, a hat and gloves. Problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    While I do see a lot of people being able to afford the initial invenstment of the bike, I invision a lot of bikes staying in the garage, broke down, or left unused because it just costs too much to operate.
    You have some good points, but I had to laugh at this a little. One of the main reasons I rode my fat bike a lot this summer is to keep maintenance costs down on my high end 29er. I can replace the entire drivetrain on the fat bike twice for the price of the cassette on the 29er....

    If you think it's expensive to have fun and recreation in your life, remember the price of not having fun and recreation in your life is even higher. Cardiologists and bartenders are much more expensive than bike maintenance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfiler View Post
    You begin the post admitting to mistakenly assuming that everyone rides their bikes the way you do yours... but yet proceed to double down on that mistaken assumption.

    Many people can get by with only a couple items from your list. Here's how. They take their normal riding clothes and add layers from their existing wardrobe. It doesn't have to be bike specific or perfect. Most people own a sweater and a light weight shell or windbreaker. Add a hat, some wool socks and a any decent pair of gloves and you're good to go.

    On tonight's 15F ride I'll be wearing nice gloves, skull cap and multiple layers of my normal gear under my normal wind proof shell. Here's what that looks like:
    Bobsledema - January 2nd 2013 - YouTube
    Or a daylight ride:
    Roaring Run - 2013-02-17 - YouTube

    Not everyone's rides resemble this but that's where much of the recent fat growth has come from.

    You can spend $800 but you don't have to. If you can afford it and want it, great! Otherwise, throw on some more layers, a hat and gloves. Problem solved.
    Agreed - there is no need to spend big money on the accutrima that first season out the gate.

    Yeah, I alot of people will. But those are the same people who will end up posting their bikes on Craigslist in a year with claims such as "ridden 25 miles" or "practically new." And you know what I say to them? Go drop 10 K on everything you "need" for winter fat biking. Just let me know when you post it for sale so I can take it off your hands.

    It's the same with any sport or hobby activity. You'll have the folks who do it to throw the money at all the top gear as a way to show their status and then you have the folks who do it because they love it.

    I started commuting by bike year round well before I got a fat bike and my first year was in the most broken down, raggady-arsed gear possible. And even in that raggady gear, I rode in many, many days at -20F and still have all my body parts.

    Here's my gear list: Multimodal Alaska Adventures: Corpus Christi Carol

    Edit: Should've read all the other posts first. Dryers are where its at. I have a dryer. It dries my raggady-arsed clothes. I ride my bike. Yeah

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    This Fat Bike "bubble" is no different than any other segment of cycling. Most new bikes get ridden once or twice and then disappear into the garage/shed/backyard. We can only hope the unused Fat Bikes get re-homed to be used as intended.

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    I agree with the OP.

    Now, if you own a fat bike and dig riding it in the snow - that is awesome. Good for you. This is not a knock on fat bikes.

    I've heard from too many riders they ain't much fun - especially when you've got to shell out a wad for a bike that most will ride primarily in the winter and play a far second fiddle to a real mountain bike when the snow clears.

    My KM is outfitted for the winter just fine with studded tires. I stick to packed snow backroads and it is easy and a great way to get outside and keep my "bike legs" through the winter.

    When the snow does get deep enough I hit the XC skis. Having done both xc skiing and mtb for many years, I can say there is no comparison in the "smile per dollar" comparison.

    XC skiing blows mtb out of the water in the "smile per dollar" chart.

    5 year old, high-end, leather boots that fit like a glove will probably last me another 10 years ($250). Wax-able all purpose xc, metal edged skis (got a few pair on blow-out) plus Voile 3 pins... skis and bindings maybe $175. High-end poles, maybe $50. Wax maybe $5 per year average. Outdoor gear - already have. This setup will likely last 15 years.

    Before anyone gets themselves all bent out of shape I'm not dissing fat biking. I almost bought one this year. I'm just posting my thoughts in hopes others who are on the fence get all the cards on the table before shelling out big money on a bike that may get only a handful of rides a year. Doing an "all things considered" analysis is the way to go about a big purchase. When researching that is why I come to these boards. Hopefully these words will either allow someone to feel more confident about their purchase or their decision not to.

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    I agree with the OP.

    Now, if you own a fat bike and dig riding it in the snow - that is awesome. Good for you. This is not a knock on fat bikes.

    I've heard from too many riders they ain't much fun - especially when you've got to shell out a wad for a bike that most will ride primarily in the winter and play a far second fiddle to a real mountain bike when the snow clears.

    My KM is outfitted for the winter just fine with studded tires. I stick to packed snow backroads and it is easy and a great way to get outside and keep my "bike legs" through the winter.

    When the snow does get deep enough I hit the XC skis. Having done both xc skiing and mtb for many years, I can say there is no comparison in the "smile per dollar" comparison.

    XC skiing blows mtb out of the water in the "smile per dollar" chart.

    5 year old, high-end, leather boots that fit like a glove will probably last me another 10 years ($250). Wax-able all purpose xc, metal edged skis (got a few pair on blow-out) plus Voile 3 pins... skis and bindings maybe $175. High-end poles, maybe $50. Wax maybe $5 per year average. Outdoor gear - already have. This setup will likely last 15 years.

    Before anyone gets themselves all bent out of shape I'm not dissing fat biking. I almost bought one this year. I'm just posting my thoughts in hopes others who are on the fence get all the cards on the table before shelling out big money on a bike that may get only a handful of rides a year. Doing an "all things considered" analysis is the way to go about a big purchase. When researching that is why I come to these boards. Hopefully these words will either allow someone to feel more confident about their purchase or their decision not to.
    Hiking is cheaper than fat biking. Hopefully these words will either allow someone to feel more confident about their purchase or their decision not to.

    Fatbiking doesn't have to be more expensive than what you call "real" mountain biking. (Which makes it sound like you think that fat biking is fake.) You can get an entire fat bike for the price of a fox fork. That fat bike can be ridden with regular winter clothing. It is only expensive if you choose to make it expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    I agree with the OP.

    Now, if you own a fat bike and dig riding it in the snow - that is awesome. Good for you. This is not a knock on fat bikes.

    I've heard from too many riders they ain't much fun - especially when you've got to shell out a wad for a bike that most will ride primarily in the winter and play a far second fiddle to a real mountain bike when the snow clears.

    My KM is outfitted for the winter just fine with studded tires. I stick to packed snow backroads and it is easy and a great way to get outside and keep my "bike legs" through the winter.

    When the snow does get deep enough I hit the XC skis. Having done both xc skiing and mtb for many years, I can say there is no comparison in the "smile per dollar" comparison.

    XC skiing blows mtb out of the water in the "smile per dollar" chart.

    5 year old, high-end, leather boots that fit like a glove will probably last me another 10 years ($250). Wax-able all purpose xc, metal edged skis (got a few pair on blow-out) plus Voile 3 pins... skis and bindings maybe $175. High-end poles, maybe $50. Wax maybe $5 per year average. Outdoor gear - already have. This setup will likely last 15 years.

    Before anyone gets themselves all bent out of shape I'm not dissing fat biking. I almost bought one this year. I'm just posting my thoughts in hopes others who are on the fence get all the cards on the table before shelling out big money on a bike that may get only a handful of rides a year. Doing an "all things considered" analysis is the way to go about a big purchase. When researching that is why I come to these boards. Hopefully these words will either allow someone to feel more confident about their purchase or their decision not to.

    But I don't like to cross country ski.


    Isn't "fat bikes are a fad" for Fridays? I thought the schedule was as follows: Ride report Mondays, Tubeless Tuesdays, Which tire Wednesday, Pot Luck Thursdays and Fat bike Fad Fridays?

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    The Fat Bike Bubble Is Gonna Burst

    I don't argue that a lot of the fat bikes being bought won't get as much use as imagined. A lot of people are probably more likely to buy them now that they're widely available. And maybe I'll find a deal on a lightly used one in a year or so. But I think it's more of an emerging market than a fad. What I disagreed with in the OP was the claim that most (snow) fat bike buyers are unprepared for having fun in the snow and cold.

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    OP,

    You aren't wrong..all that stuff is expensive, but not everyone needs it. I don't like the cold so I don't go out for hours or anything under 30 degrees. All I need is a coat, hat, gloves and some warm pants and boots. No biggie. For those that love winter, they already have the stuff they need.

    The only thing new people are finding out is that riding in the snow isn't as easy as they thought it would be. Then it's a decision to learn to ride in the snow and/or keep it for summer usage. At least the resale value is high.

    Unless you are into upgrades or ride your bike so hard you constantly need parts, you don't need to do much maintenance. I've had mine for a couple of years w/o needing anything other than a chainring and a couple of tubes.

    It isn't so much as a bubble bursting is that everything evens out. Those that love their bikes keep them and those that don't sell them.

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    How many here are *suffering* the extreme winter temps and deep snow this year? Pot holes anyone? The roads in my town were bad enough, but they are really horrible and getting even worse after this winter.

    Umm .. I'm thinking my fat-bike is gonna get a LOT more use than my road bike with the warmer weather too because that bike will either roll right over or bounce out of the holes that aren't getting fixed fast enough (if they ever do get fixed) Something some of you might want to consider too.

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    The circa-2003 29er board is calling, they want their bubble panic thread back.

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    You're a moderator. Is there any way you could make this happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    WOW... IS there a lot of butt-hurt going on in this thread!!!

    Some of you guys sure feel attacked easy.

    And I don't believe 90% of the people posting here actually got the point of the thread. But keep on...

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    Lets say I really enjoy riding bicycles. As in I put more than 11,000 miles a year on them. The total spent on of my three season bikes and equipment is, lets say, $15,000. I'm not just talking about My 4 bikes, but also all my tools to maintain and repair them, bike packing gear, clothing, electronics, etc. How is it unreasonable for me to buy a Surly Pugsley for $1600 and extend my riding season for the fourth season?

    I already have all the clothes I need to be comfortable outside in the winter because prior to owning a fat bike, I was still an outdoor person so I found other ways to enjoy myself out doors in the winter. Riding in the snow is easy on components as long as you brush it off before you put the bike away and keep everything lubed with a proper lubricant for cold temperature use...The bike pretty much gets ridden 3 months out of the year and then rarely comes back out, as opposed to my 3 season bikes that get used hard for 9 months out of the year, so wear and tear is actually less, leading to less frequent major overhauls. So now, by increasing my spending on riding by a little more than 10%, I can ride for 33% more time during the year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
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    Fatbikers = more fragile than high school girls
    This is becoming a common theme in a lot of threads here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtuck1 View Post
    This is becoming a common theme in a lot of threads here.
    Yep.

    AND IT SURE IS BORING TO TALK ABOUT
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    Quote Originally Posted by OFFcourse View Post
    I like how your concern with the discarding of dryers is an attempt to demonstrate how your frustration with yours is far superior than other people who either don't have the money (poor people), time (lazy people) or resources (poor lazy people). No superiority complex here...

    You almost for a second had me believing that your concern for dryers was that you did not wish it to end up in a landfill but then you own a dryer to begin with, so I should have known.
    Now the repairman is poor, your clothes are dry and the $100 you saved can be used to pay for the electricity the dryer uses in the next three loads.

    I think I'm just being a smarta** because of all this sleeping in, then spending most of the day out riding my bike and the rest of it drinking beer in my underpants :-p
    Must be nice!

    It is true, I could outfit my dryer with the nicest gates belt drive system, chris king bearings for the drum wheels, a harmonic damper to keep vibrations down, sharpen the fan blades to help bite through the air. I could put a glass pack in the vent to give it a nice sound, and use the hair from a fox vagina to help filter out the lint. But I don't need those things to dry clothes....and if anyone saw my dryer they would refer to me as a hipster of the dryer world.

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    As a thinking out loud prospect, the question/statement is a valid one.

    The light hearted/serious rib jabs seem to be coming from the place of a too narrow of a perspective ruled by one's own experience.

    Not everyone will invest in a fat bike for the same end use. If bought on hype/lust, what are the prospects of satisfied ownership?

    My observation is that people buy more bikes than are used; they sit unused for a host of reasons, some, unrelated with the enjoyment of riding.

    If those who purchase a fat bike have a basic understanding of their capabilities and limitations, then the investment stands to be worthwhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    The crazy thing is when you look at a budget fat bike build and a budget regular bike build. Take a look at the part spec on a Kona Wo for example - that's at best a $800 "regular" mountain bike, but an $1,800 fat bike! Really the only significant difference is the rims, hubs and tires. That's a difference, but $1,000?

    I really agree with this, but alas I forked over north of 2200 for a Moonlander, where the only outstanding component on it is the XT Rear Derailleur....I already trashed the 36T ring, and had my BB replaced. Surly Salsa and the likes are defiantly raking in the cash....but again, I still bought one, and I love it.


    Oh and thanks for the info about the Dryer....going to go fix mine now.
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    This Fat Bike Bubble is only going to get bigger…

    This Fat Bike Bubble is only going to get bigger…Bigger Tires
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    Can we get back on topic and talk about dryers already?

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    What with all the dryer lint and butt-picking, this is a fun thread.

    Yep, its been durn cold, in MN anyway, and when its 30 below, it takes careful consideration when choosing attire: here in MN we all own stuff designed to keep ice fishermen and construction workers warm, but that won't work on a bike.

    I know. I tried it, and learned about sweaty clothes and cold. The "activewear" gear I have is good to about 10 above. Freeze your boy-parts off at 30 below.

    Maybe another year without 50-days-in-a-row of subzero?

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    I read this the other day...

    The trip to the States did provide opportunity to observe another culture, more specifically the cycling culture there. It's probably wrong to cast judgment on an entire culture based solely on my encounters with half a dozen locals, but hey I'm not about pole every American cyclist.

    Two things stood out though, the first, and at this point, it's important to put this in context. This was the middle of a California Winter, we're talking 25 degrees Celsius under clear blue skies. My attire was full short sleeve order. Everybody else was sporting arm, leg warmers, gilets and a few riders choosing ear warmers. The second, much more surprising fact was peoples reactions to my route distance. It was just over 100 kilometres (60 miles in their money,and I'm not sure if they all understood the difference).

    Clearly the coffee shops are a lot closer to home for these weekend warriors.
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    I've seen no sign of them slowing down in New Hampshire.

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    Don't really care;

    ... As long as the bubble gets the companies to push development far enough that there is a good supply of worthy hardware on the market before it busts. Say... after the $400 Fat suspension fork comes out. Pop it then.

    What'll be the next fad that The Deflated will flock to?
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