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    Escalator Review

    ~100 miles with a good mix of conditions - snow, frozen chunky snow and dirt.
    Terrain - single-track, snow machine packed trails (not groomed)
    Mounted on 100 mm rims

    Love the width and lay of the knobs. Great traction with no great feel in resistance. Has good turning characteristics and doesn't feel like its pulling. The rubber feels really, really, nice and grippy being a 50 durometer rubber at a 180 tpi.

    BTW, these have just become available and we have'em comin...

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    Very cool! Did you happen to weigh them pre mounting? Also just took delivery of my Beargrease. Rides so sweet! Happy to be here.......

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    LBS weighed 2 tires, the lighter of the two came in at 1280g, not sure what the other one weighed in at. Much higher than I expected.

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    Mmmmm......me too! One site I was on said "approx 1100gr" so that's a ways off that mark. Be interested to hear what others chime in with. Thanks

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    A few more were measured at the LBS, lightest of them being just over 1200g. Sounded like there may have been some challenges getting them to the 1100g which caused the weight to increase. If I was a betting man I would guess these will range between 1200-1300g.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawkeM View Post
    A few more were measured at the LBS, lightest of them being just over 1200g. Sounded like there may have been some challenges getting them to the 1100g which caused the weight to increase. If I was a betting man I would guess these will range between 1200-1300g.
    So they don't have the studs, but weight about the same as the tires that do (my Dillingers weigh 1260 each)? Something is wrong.

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    glad i kept my 1200 gm Hu Du's

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    locally here the shop weighed 6 with an average of 1290.... screw that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawkeM View Post
    A few more were measured at the LBS, lightest of them being just over 1200g. Sounded like there may have been some challenges getting them to the 1100g which caused the weight to increase. If I was a betting man I would guess these will range between 1200-1300g.

    I just picked out your post because it seems that this is on the right track. On Facebook there was quite a to-do regarding the weight thing, and 45NRTH responded saying that the publicized weight was taken from pre-production samples. Then after testing they realized that the 180TPI casings were too fragile and guys testing were getting punctures too often. So 45NRTH had a layer of rubber added to increase the durability of the Escalator, and obviously this increased the weight.

    Unfortunately, 45NRTH never retracted the original claim of weight, and so the end users are getting a bit of a surprise without any explanation, (until this Facebook encounter earlier today proffered up the story I am repeating here).
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    Makes sense...something had to be screwy. Glad to hear the real weight tho cause it was tempting! Thanks for sharing. Not gonna happen for me.......

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    it's also possible that they just showed up from Asia at that weight and the durability is cover story...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2silent View Post
    locally here the shop weighed 6 with an average of 1290.... screw that!
    Balls! Feels like a bait and switch. I knew I should have held out for the ultralight Larry... I wonder if my LBS can cancel my order?
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    I was planning on using these but talked myself out of them, at least until they were out in the wild. A lighter HD would be sweet, but the new kevlar 120tpi Larry I recently picked up actually weighs more than my first run Larry. So I diverted the funds laundered from my family to other things thinking these would fall short. I'm glad I spent the cash elsewhere, but disappointed the escalators might be too good to be true.

    How are they wearing? I wondered if the 180 casing and minimal(relative) tred (with holes for studs no less) would hold up. If they were appreciably lighter it might have been worth it....
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    I guess I got the lightest of the batch at 1271g and 1204 g. Still would add 1/2lbs+ to the bike weight over my planned build. My shop is going to let me return them so that is good.

    The tread is also a lot taller and more aggressive looking in real life than in photos on the web. Not what I want for a snow racer, but I think this is the best tread pattern I have seen thus far for snow riding if you aren't concerned about rolling resistance or weight. The Dillengers then would be the ultimate winter tire.
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    Forgot the photo!Escalator Review-imageuploadedbytapatalk1354305769.099434.jpg

    Also, does anyone know when the Ultralight Larry's will be available?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FishMan473 View Post
    Balls! Feels like a bait and switch. I knew I should have held out for the ultralight Larry... I wonder if my LBS can cancel my order?
    Who cares about grip anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR2ebike View Post
    Who cares about grip anyway...
    A lot of people. Did you not read my later comments?


    Quote Originally Posted by FishMan473 View Post
    Not what I want for a snow racer, but I think this is the best tread pattern I have seen thus far for snow riding if you aren't concerned about rolling resistance or weight. The Dillengers then would be the ultimate winter tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FishMan473 View Post
    but I think this is the best tread pattern I have seen thus far for snow riding if you aren't concerned about rolling resistance or weight. The Dillengers then would be the ultimate winter tire.
    Have you not seen the Bud and Lou?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Have you not seen the Bud and Lou?
    costello??

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    I don't know that size of knobs/tire weight is the ticket for snow... it seems to work "interestingly". For example, nothing in 29" was better than racing ralphs, at least not in the races I did.

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    I was able to check some out in the flesh earlier, the knobs are pretty burly. I think they are more like a light Nate than a light HD
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    feels like a thread jack. Lets here from people how own and have ridden the Escalator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenfin View Post
    feels like a thread jack. Lets here from people how own and have ridden the Escalator.


    are you saying that the weight of a tire that is primarily marketed as the "weight weenie" fatbike tire isn't worth discussing?

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    JayP - hard packed single track climbs (not at "float" psi) Which do you think is better Husker Du or Escalator? My rear Larry is not cutting it anymore given our lack of snow and going Nate looks to be overkill for 95% of the time. I could care less about weight and have not paid attention to any buzz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FishMan473 View Post
    A lot of people. Did you not read my later comments?
    Yea, you are waiting for the ultra larrys

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    I saw high 1200's to low 1300's.

    Not bad considering the amount of rubber knobbies.

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    Bearbait - You actually nailed it. More grip then a Larry and not on the extreme end of a Nate. I ran the Husker Du's all last year and they are sweet, especially on a Marge rim. But really digging the all around performance of the Escalator and it gives a nice profile mounted on a 80 or 100.
    At this point of fat tires I am really discovering the differences of how all the different tires perform differently on different rims.
    Performance will out weigh weights in my opinion, especially riding ~5 mph on snow...

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    I mounted and rode a set this weekend on hard pack, mud, sand and wood. I was really happy with the grip and rolling resistance of the tires. I mounted the rear with the chevrons going forward. The rubber is really sticky so I am guessing they will wear quickly if you are only trail riding, but they grip really well.

    Weights are 1212 and 1228 for my tires.

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    Thanks Jay,
    that helps... our winter so far is a frozen and smoother version of summer riding, you still want the fat tires, but it's rally speed mountain biking. The BFL's are collecting dust. cheers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay P View Post
    Bearbait - You actually nailed it. More grip then a Larry and not on the extreme end of a Nate. I ran the Husker Du's all last year and they are sweet, especially on a Marge rim. But really digging the all around performance of the Escalator and it gives a nice profile mounted on a 80 or 100.
    At this point of fat tires I am really discovering the differences of how all the different tires perform differently on different rims.
    Performance will out weigh weights in my opinion, especially riding ~5 mph on snow...

    -JayP

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    1192g (with one stud installed) and 1246g here

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    1248 for mine.

    I have only ridden on an endo. Until the new escalator. I would change the name to STANDUP. That's what you get to do with this tire. Rolls nice. I set it tubeless, tire pressure seems more susceptible to air temp differences than my tubed endo did. I had to finish a race with less 1.5 psi, (I aired down to much before the race) and the bead lock held on my uma 90's. Thanks Speedway, they set it up tubeless for me, it only cost $25, well worth it in my eyes.
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    Just rode my escalators with 240 nokian studs,removed from extreme 294. Awesome ride almost like adding suspension. Supper grip the trails were imposible to walk on.Very cool!

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    I grabbed a pair of Escalators last week. Weights with the sales package were 1280g +/-2grams per tire on the LBS ParkTool scale.
    I actually weighed six tires and picked out the lightest ones. 1280g with sales package were the lowest of the batch and the heavier ones were around 1340g.

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    I also did a custom stud profile with 120 per tire using studs taken from Ice Spiker Pro tires.
    Installing the carbide core studs with the aluminium outer shell was very easy. Just took a craft knife without the blade and used the handle to push the studs in. Also tried a few with pliers and that was easy also. So studding the Escalators is not tricky and could be done without any specific studding tools in this case.
    Last edited by Sandzsteedt; 01-19-2013 at 11:53 AM. Reason: Forgot to mention studs.

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    Anyone measure how wide they are ,say on 80mm & 100 mm rims ?

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    Hi, it seems that I would have a chance to get a pair of Escalators to my 2nd fatbike (I would like to get 120 tpi HuDu's, but it seems that the next batch will not be available until next fall), but I'm a little worried that they will wear out in summer use - as it would be nice if they had enough knobs left to insert some studs to them when the next winter comes. So, experience and comments about their durabilility would be appreciated.

    Also interested in about their rolling resistance in hard surfaces when compared to, say, Larry/Endo combo I currently have in my pugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay P View Post
    Bearbait - You actually nailed it. More grip then a Larry and not on the extreme end of a Nate. I ran the Husker Du's all last year and they are sweet, especially on a Marge rim. But really digging the all around performance of the Escalator and it gives a nice profile mounted on a 80 or 100.
    At this point of fat tires I am really discovering the differences of how all the different tires perform differently on different rims.
    Performance will out weigh weights in my opinion, especially riding ~5 mph on snow...

    -JayP
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