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    DT Swiss BR2250 Rim

    Hi Guys...
    Have any of you checked out the DT Swiss Fat Bike rims?

    DT Swiss - BR 2250 Classic

    They look really cool, and light...but the holes must require a special rim tape. Anyone own these?

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    I'm interested in these as well. No one seems to have much info on them, though.

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    Enduro Mag does...

    First Look | DT Swiss Big Ride BR 2250 Classic Fatbike Wheelset | Enduro Mountainbike Magazine

    These are some really lightweight fat wheels and still 80mm rims for 4"+ tires!
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    Looks to be knock off of the Specialized Fatboy Rim. Could use any old rim tape or the rim strip available from Specialized.

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    I've built 6 of these so far, and I have a few more in the queue.

    They are light, they build well, and they have a solid bead lock so they set up well tubeless.

    Surly's basic rimstrips work fine for tubes, you can add layers of tape/foam/etc... if tubeless is your thing.

    They are not the same as Specialized's rim, nor are they a knock off.

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    Nice looking, lightweight wheel set! Depending on the street price, I may consider picking up a set of these so I don't have to tire swap in the winter. Are they 190mm QR compatible though? The website says 190x12mm/197x12mm? I thought 190mm was x10mm? Too many standards!!!
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    Lots of people (not me) have ridden these on the Les Fat, as the DT wheelset comes from the manufacturer as an upgrade on that bike. Pivot says it drops a pound versus their stock rolling Darryls and Hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willum View Post
    Lots of people (not me) have ridden these on the Les Fat, as the DT wheelset comes from the manufacturer as an upgrade on that bike. Pivot says it drops a pound versus their stock rolling Darryls and Hubs.
    Not to nit pick, but the standard wheelset on the Pivot Les Fat is Mulefut Rim with Salsa Hubs. I tried to talk Pivot into selling the DT wheelset to me ala cart since I received my Les Fat as a gift and wanted to upgrade but they would not oblige.

    I demo'd another Les Fat with the Pivot upgrade DT Wheelset and they are super solid. I would give them a chance if carbon is not in your wheelhouse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I've built 6 of these so far, and I have a few more in the queue.

    They are light, they build well, and they have a solid bead lock so they set up well tubeless.
    Where are you buying these at?

    They are not the same as Specialized's rim, nor are they a knock off.
    I guess I was referring to the fact that the weight saving cut outs look virtually the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    I guess I was referring to the fact that the weight saving cut outs look virtually the same.
    That's because they are. DT Swiss made the rims that come on the fatboy.

    These are just a slightly skinnier version and matched up with the new big ride hubs.
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    Ahhh...makes sense now. I guess my original comment wasn't too far off base

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I've built 6 of these so far, and I have a few more in the queue.

    They are light, they build well, and they have a solid bead lock so they set up well tubeless.

    Surly's basic rimstrips work fine for tubes, you can add layers of tape/foam/etc... if tubeless is your thing.

    They are not the same as Specialized's rim, nor are they a knock off.
    mikesee:

    I purchased a set of Mulefut-based wheels from you last year, set up with Surly strips and the wide Scotch tape. It's been working great for me, solid for a year now including super-low pressures during the winter.

    Is this the same setup you are using for the DT Swiss rims?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by c0nsumer View Post
    mikesee:

    I purchased a set of Mulefut-based wheels from you last year, set up with Surly strips and the wide Scotch tape. It's been working great for me, solid for a year now including super-low pressures during the winter.

    Is this the same setup you are using for the DT Swiss rims?

    Thanks!
    I'm not riding the DT rims, just building them. I install a Surly strip and tape if the customer desires it, but that's as far as my direct knowledge go, because I've never set one up tubeless myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I'm not riding the DT rims, just building them. I install a Surly strip and tape if the customer desires it, but that's as far as my direct knowledge go, because I've never set one up tubeless myself.
    Ahh, got it. Thanks! I'm likely getting a built DT wheelset soon (otherwise I'd be ordering them from you) and was trying to figure out what setup to go with. I think I'll just do the same as you did on the Mulefuts.

    Thanks!

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    Fat-bike did a review of the Huraxdax from Maxx with BR2250's on it.

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    Just to clarify, these are built using the DT Swiss 710 rim?

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    Jep
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    I just ordered a pair of the 710 rims through my builder

    Just hoping he can get a set quickly

    He's going to lace them to existing hubs using new sapim spokes

    I am pretty psyched to go tubeless on this bike. Blew a tube on the first ride, which makes me crazy

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    Anyone know why the DT rim un-built is branded 710 and the built wheels are 2250. Are they different in some way?

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    Same

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    The number references the weight- although the BR2250 wheelset I just got weighs 2230gr (1080 front and 1150 rear)

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    DT Swiss BR2250 Rim-image.jpgDT Swiss BR2250 Rim-image.jpg
    DT weights are spot on.
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    My front was 1050g w/o rim strip; DT Swiss rim strip weighs 60g. My rear wheel matches yours.

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    Great rim, very easy to go tubeless.

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    That's pretty damn fugly - no rim strip eh?

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    I like the two opposite triangle look I think I'll cut my carbon rims to look like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit21 View Post
    That's pretty damn fugly - no rim strip eh?
    Seems to be working well without it, so why add any xtra weight (about 16g setup now)? OK, the change to get some sticks to go trough it are higher, but been riding with an almost the same setup for ~200 hours without any problems (if you don't count in a couple of split sides of the tire). The vacuum bag plastic is pretty tuff stuff... And now I can see when to put a fresh patch of Stan's in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    I like the two opposite triangle look I think I'll cut my carbon rims to look like that.

    HA!

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    I would advise against Tyvek tape. I'll have more on this in the future, but both myself and a friend tried it with the DT rim strips and it didn't stick well enough to the rim to hold when in the sun. The tape then pulls back from the bead seat, causing a leak to the rim holes.

    I've got some new rim strips on the way, then I'll be trying again with 3M 8898.

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    I would like to see one person try the Sun tape sold for this purpose on these rims - just to satisfy my curiosity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c0nsumer View Post

    I've got some new rim strips on the way, then I'll be trying again with 3M 8898.
    Are you going with narrow tape to seal the edge of the rimstrip, or wide, to cover the whole thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scot_douglas View Post
    Are you going with narrow tape to seal the edge of the rimstrip, or wide, to cover the whole thing?
    I've got a roll of 72mm wide tape, so I'm planning to do one pass down each bead seat overlapping in the center. I really wish I had the 96mm tape so I could do an edge-to-edge application (via trimming with a razor blade). Hopefully this'll be fairly smooth along the center and not leak.

    It's the same tape that mikesee used on my Mulefuts, and this has been working well for 1.5 years. With a similar internal width I think / hope it'll be okay?

    The adhesive on the Tyvek tape sure is hell to get off of things...

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    Good to know! I bought the 72mm roll as well when I tried to make the wheels on my DD30 tubeless (failed - practically no bead shelf) - and I've been waiting for time to do the new 2250's. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scot_douglas View Post
    Good to know! I bought the 72mm roll as well when I tried to make the wheels on my DD30 tubeless (failed - practically no bead shelf) - and I've been waiting for time to do the new 2250's. Thanks.
    Here's the OE rim strips as well: https://item.ebay.com/121574248897

    The Tyvek tape gunked mine up so much that I chose to spend the $8 on new strips vs. spending an hour and $3 in Goo Gone to remove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    What tape you all using?
    It's almost like the last few posts in this thread didn't happen.

    Tyvek tape is a no go. 3M 8898 is what I'm going with next.

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    That link is for a case. You got some to spare??

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    I think mike c was selling some. Alternately, a number of people, myself included, have used 3m 8087 on mulefuts. It's available on Amazon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    That link is for a case. You got some to spare??
    Poke around on Amazon - I was able to buy a roll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotooutdoors View Post
    I think mike c was selling some. Alternately, a number of people, myself included, have used 3m 8087 on mulefuts. It's available on Amazon
    I have a case of the 8898 tape in 72mm width rolls. Happy to ship 'em to US or Canadian addresses.

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    Looks like I can't pm you mike, but I'll take a roll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    Looks like I can't pm you mike, but I'll take a roll.
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    site says 675 for the bare rim - not bad

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    Wow…That was Easy

    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit21 View Post
    I would like to see one person try the Sun tape sold for this purpose on these rims - just to satisfy my curiosity.
    This turned out to be a lot easier than I thought it would be. I used the Sun rim strip and tape along with a pair of Stan's valves and Maxxis Mammoth EXO tires to set up a BR2250 wheel set tubeless. Installed the rim strip and tape, then installed the tires with tubes and aired up to 25 pounds in order to secure the tape to the inside of the rim. Let the air out, broke a bead, removed tube and installed the valves. Added four cups of Stans to each a tire, and used a floor pump to air up. The Mammoths grabbed the bead shelf and sealed up almost immediately. After that it was just a matter of doing the Stans shakey-shakey and lay the wheels on each side for a bit, although this almost seemed superfluous as there was no seepage, weeping, or air loss. Overall, one of the easier tubeless setups I've performed. I guess time, and a few rides, will tell if the tape continues to adhere to the rim and remain airtight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c0nsumer View Post
    The Tyvek tape gunked mine up so much that I chose to spend the $8 on new strips vs. spending an hour and $3 in Goo Gone to remove it.
    PPG DX330 takes it right off. Naphtha does a pretty good job too. Both are safe to use on painted surfaces unlike lacquer thinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wdonegan View Post
    Installed the rim strip and tape, then installed the tires with tubes and aired up to 25 pounds in order to secure the tape to the inside of the rim.

    I think this step is oft overlooked. Definitely the best way to ensure the tape has a good seal. Also good idea if the tires are new to help get the bead to shape.
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    I set my BR710 wheelset up tubeless this weekend. There was some trial and error. I'm running the Vee Rubber Bulldozers. First I tried this:

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A7I5IP2/ref=biss_dp_t_asn

    No go. Then I tried this:

    5 in. x 1000 ft. High Performance Stretch Wrap

    I had tor rewrap the front once, bit now it seems to be holding. I think the rims are great. Super light and built up pretty easily.

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    The larger cling wrap goes on easier, but you'll have to trim it after ;o)

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    DT Swiss BR2250 Rim

    So, I got some new wheels brewing, some special blue tape (thanks Mike), some stans valves and goo, and some tubeless ready tires. Am i gonna be all set, or do I need to take some scissors to a set of tubes and make some rim strips?
    I ask here, because the hoops on the new wheels are the br710.

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    Rim strips are for sissies:
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcaino View Post
    I think this step is oft overlooked. Definitely the best way to ensure the tape has a good seal. Also good idea if the tires are new to help get the bead to shape.
    Agree. I didn't do it on my 29er rims and paid the price. Had to re-set up my tubeless setup in Colorado when I burped on a rock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    So, I got some new wheels brewing, some special blue tape (thanks Mike), some stans valves and goo, and some tubeless ready tires. Am i gonna be all set, or do I need to take some scissors to a set of tubes and make some rim strips?
    I ask here, because the hoops on the new wheels are the br710.
    Just use a rim strip and the tape you got from Mike, or go split tube - not both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vmk View Post
    Rim strips are for sissies:
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    I think this looks awesome!
    Can you elaborate on this process?
    You used a vacuum bag?
    What size and where can you buy it?
    Did you use anything else like glue or tape to keep it in place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit21 View Post
    Just use a rim strip and the tape you got from Mike, or go split tube - not both.
    Thanks, I'll let ya'll know how I make out.

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    DT Swiss BR2250 Rim

    I picked my wheels up yesterday, the tape went on kind of sloppy, but settled in nicely with a tube/tire pumped up over night.
    Before-after.

    Edit: it's largely a technique based thing. And having the right tools. A decent size compressor is a must, as is some tubing and a good air nozzle. After that, as long as your tape job is good, you're all set.
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    I had some tough luck with this blue stuff. 3 times, 2 different wraps, it just wouldn't seal up. Gorilla tape worked like a charm first try (again). It's not ideal, cuz it's certainly heavier, but it'll do for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    I had some tough luck with this blue stuff. 3 times, 2 different wraps, it just wouldn't seal up. Gorilla tape worked like a charm first try (again). It's not ideal, cuz it's certainly heavier, but it'll do for now.
    What specific tape are you referring to when you say "this blue stuff"? 3M 8898?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    I had some tough luck with this blue stuff. 3 times, 2 different wraps, it just wouldn't seal up. Gorilla tape worked like a charm first try (again). It's not ideal, cuz it's certainly heavier, but it'll do for now.
    It may have been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but it's important to pull the tape *really* tight when installing, and equally important to install a tire/tube aired up to ~20psi for a few hours to get the tape stuck down good before proceeding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c0nsumer View Post
    What specific tape are you referring to when you say "this blue stuff"? 3M 8898?
    Yes.

    Edit, and it definitely sat overnight, with a tube installed to get it all set up. For whatever reason it seeped. Seeped enough that I'd have had to rely on the stans to seal it up, which isn't necessarily confidence inspiring.

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    how do these compare to carbon hoops? They seem to be pretty close weight wise, but how flexy are they in comparison to carbon?

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    Writing about the spech's one: Not worth being replace by Carbon hoops because of weight, strong etc. As for flexy, i'm not shure you can tell the difference between it and a nextie 65 but i know i can't. ;o)

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    So, I still haven't set my BR2250 wheels back up as tubeless, but when I do I'm going to try one of two things:

    1) I got a set of the Fatty Stripper latex rim strips (FattyStripper Tubeless Solutions) and they look like they'll work out great.

    2) I got a line on 96mm polypropelyene tape. Basically, the same as Stan's stuff... I should have a roll by the end of next week. This should be able to go bead to bead, which'd be ideal.

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    Those fattie latex strips look like a very nice solution.

    It looks like I need to rewrap the rear with plastic wrap this weekend. I've never had tubeless set up problems on my 29ers.

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    These issues don't come up with non-hole-y rims either, particularly ones that also have bead locks.

    I think carbon rims with a bead lock are the proper way to go, then you'll just need a wee strip of tape to seal the spoke holes. (Or go the HED route with rubber gaskets around the spokes.)

    But, for those of us who are not up for paying for that, additional measures will have to be taken...

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    I was surprised how much leakage I got around the spoke holes with the saran wrap. Also my cur rate (amazon sourced Chinese) valve stems have not been a winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nbwallace View Post
    I was surprised how much leakage I got around the spoke holes with the saran wrap. Also my cur rate (amazon sourced Chinese) valve stems have not been a winner.
    I'm not. Plastic wrap like that is incredibly thin.

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    Technique is key and strength is in numbers for the plastic wrap method. I've had reliable results with 10-15 wrappings (it really doesn't weight much). Also it helps to put the wrap on so that the tires torque tightens it rather than loosens it. Be sure to carefully mount the tire and use plenty of soapy water spray to keep the tire from ripping holes in the wrap layers.

    Finally, I got this tip from the fattystrippers owner- use a small piece of tube as a washer under the valve stem. This gives a better valve stem seal.

    I also bought a set of the fattystripper liners and some of their bling strips and will be mounting them up with my snow tires. I'm hoping they are remountable solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paochow View Post
    I also bought a set of the fattystripper liners and some of their bling strips and will be mounting them up with my snow tires. I'm hoping they are remountable solution.
    I also bought a set and think they'll do well with the spray adhesive method he recommends.
    For now, I'm giving 8898 tape another go - last time, I wasn't aware of the tire-with-tube conditioning to fully seal the tape seams. I'll have the fattystrippers as a backup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paochow View Post
    Finally, I got this tip from the fattystrippers owner- use a small piece of tube as a washer under the valve stem. This gives a better valve stem seal.
    I picked up some small rubber washers from Lowe's that I'm going to use for the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttakata73 View Post
    I think this looks awesome!
    Can you elaborate on this process?
    You used a vacuum bag?
    What size and where can you buy it?
    Did you use anything else like glue or tape to keep it in place?
    Any hot seal-able plastic will work. No glue or tape needed, but you can add layers of "what ever" between the rim and the plastic, if you want to minimize the risk of puncture trough the rim holes. Have used this for this summer and there's been zero problems. I used a green laminating plastic (for vacuum packing) the other day when I switched to Knards: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-s..._41_21_Pro.jpg

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    I wish DT made them at 65 mm. According to my unscientific calculations they would be around 560 grams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scot_douglas View Post
    I also bought a set and think they'll do well with the spray adhesive method he recommends.
    For now, I'm giving 8898 tape another go - last time, I wasn't aware of the tire-with-tube conditioning to fully seal the tape seams. I'll have the fattystrippers as a backup.
    How did the FattyStripper install go? Any feedback?

    An install video was posted after you got your rimstrips... Installation of FatBike Tubeless RimStrips

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    Still waiting for snow - Hand studded a set of snowshoe XL's and just bought a set of JJ 4.8" tires....

    Decisions, decisions.

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    In for this thread as I now own these wheels. Having read thru this thread, it sounds like Gorilla Tape works. And is easiest.

    I think I'll go that route
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    Kind of reviving an old thread here, but has anyone used the Mulefut tubeless kit? I have Mulefut's on my Farley and those are almost as holey as these rims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AthleticAL View Post
    In for this thread as I now own these wheels. Having read thru this thread, it sounds like Gorilla Tape works. And is easiest.

    I think I'll go that route
    I know this is 9 months ago, but hope you didn't find out the hard way how sucky it is to remove gorilla tape residue. I won't ever be doing that again. Easiest way is split tubeless. And much cleaner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    Looks to be knock off of the Specialized Fatboy Rim. Could use any old rim tape or the rim strip available from Specialized.

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    Hi Guys. I'm looking for an all-round/lighter wheelset for my Salsa Blackborow. I have the stock wheel set (clownshoe on salsa hub) with Bud and Lou. I mainly ride groom single track during winter, maybe 25% softer snow or more challenging conditions. During summer, my Blackborow is my "backup bike" but still see a lot of technical single track.

    My initial plan was to build a 65mm chinese wheelset (LB or nexties on DTswiss hub). I would use it with JJ 4.8 in the summer to get a rounder profile and maybe with studded tire for icy condition or very firm groomed conditions in the winter. I would keep my clown shoe wheelset for softer snow. In seems Dtswiss BR2250 wheelset could be another option for my need. 2 pounds lighter than my clown shoe, better hub, rounder profil in the summer. I could either keep my clownshoes or stud my bud/lou and use BR2250 as my one and only wheel set.

    The Dtswiss wheelset is 880$can plus duties. Big ride hubs+plus chinese carbon hoops at least 1000$ plus duties + spokes/built fees (no idea how much more it represents).

    What do you guys think? Nothing like real world experience! Thanks in advance

    EDIT: price for BR2250 WITH star ratchet upgrade and chinese without. So more like 1100can$ vs 880 for BR2250
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    I run DTSwiss on Nexties, they are great wheels.

    The main benefit of those carbon rims is the ease of going tubeless. Instead of needing to worry about the cutouts and covering such a wide area with a cut tube or layers of really wide tape and a rim strip, you just need one or two thin loops of tape over the spoke holes.

    But, the trade-off is that the DT Swiss rims are more robust for rock strikes and whatnot.
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