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    Rougher ride tonight...

    Rough ride tonight...
    It was getting a bit dark but I took the Dolo for a ride on some gravel/sand roads I normally don't hit. Would have "washed out" on some of the curves tonight w/all the lose sand from the recent runoff! The tire pressures are good now (more stable temps & hitting the desired "max" at +40F works WAY better than at only +20F! LOTS of volume there to expand & contract! Should have "thunk" that one through a bit!) Anyway, it did pretty good on some seriously steep ascents & descents with washouts, holes, etc. Next I'd like to hit some "sage-brushy" open fields I saw the other night while visiting some friends - the sort of stuff I really want to analyse the whole fat-bike concept for - can I go where I would on a horse? (Yep, I KNOW it'll be slower, etc. - tried a "mixed" ride years ago w/a "typical" mountain bike on some trails w/the wife & daughter on their horses - not very "congruent" - bike way slow uphill & too fast downhill!) Anyway it was a nice "break" after building some garden boxes & I worked up a good sweat. I can hit good speeds on the downhills (gravely, sandy & pavement - lots of "breakup" right now...) and the bike seems responsive enough - no "control" issues. (probably 30~35 MPH max on the steep descents.)

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    Thanks for the technical info - I knew I was "off" a bit but was comparing 1x9 & 1x10 drive-trains w/my current setup. I saw some promising other 3-ring cranks at Free Cycle tonight when I took back the Shimano "Hyperglide" (NOT "Velocitor" - not sure where I came up w/that? Sorry!) w/24/34/44 rings.These had similar, smaller rings - I need to take the bike back to Missoula on the carrier next week (Spring Break! Whee!) and just do the swaps there on their stands. Hopefully it won't push out to far from the frame... :\

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    Quote Originally Posted by ward View Post
    ...One thing I do notice with folks just discovering fat biking, is that almost everyone starts out with WAY to much pressure for riding anything but pavement and often they're a little disappointed. I came across a guy w/ a brand new Mukluk on a local trail... was bouncin' all over the place. He said he'd "let them down" to 15psi. He's an experienced cyclist and thought that was "low" pressure. When I told him he needed to get them down into single digits he looked at me like I was nuts. Gauge might help the new comers get there a little quicker. I really like having one to get them up to 20ish for the pavement sections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    Why I started this thread for small pressure gauge. The Meiser gauge that I bought works great. I did later pick up a digital SKS gauge but I like the Meiser better.

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    Wet Ride - 27Mar14 - Bitterroot Valley, Montana

    I tried to go where "the deer (but no antelope) play" - was a "no-go" for the sage-brushy/rocky/steep stuff... I ended up staying on roads & an ATV track for the ride. About 45 degrees F. Rainy & sleety ("graupel" here in Missoula...) Tires were at about 16 PSI. Saw a fox, several mule deer, ospreys & hawks. Some Bob-whites... Sunny when I started but the left side of my head was numb by the time I got home - wind from the SW & rainy...
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-wetride-1of6-27mar14-.jpgI couldn't make any headway as there were too many rocks hidden in the grass. Also it was real steep here. (I needed a lower gear yet than what I had with the Shimano Magarange (13-34) freewheel and the 28-38-48 front chain-rings.) I was trying to follow the mule-deer & elk trails on this hillside near Iron Cap on the east side of the Bitterroot Valley.
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-wetride-2of6-27mar14-.jpgLooking South over Iron Cap. About 45 degrees F, windy with mixed rain and sleet ("graupel" here near Missoula, MT). I'm panning left to right in the following pics...
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-wetride-3of6-27mar14-.jpgNow looking S, SW over Iron Cap.The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-wetride-4of6-27mar14-.jpgLooking west
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-wetride-5of6-27mar14-.jpg Now oriented North West... that's the "Big Ditch" at the bottom of the pic. Irrigation system on the East side of the valley - dry this time of year.
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-wetride-6of6-27mar14-.jpg Looking East toward the Sapphire Mountains... tires for this ride were at 16 PSI. (contributed to my issues on the rocky terrain - wanted to "bounce" off rather than conform & climb over!)
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-wetride-ditchrd-27mar14-.jpg Looking East down the Maintenance road along the irrigation ditch (gated road, so no vehicular traffic...)
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-wetride-end_of_rd-27mar14-.jpg End of ride. It was too wet to shear any more sheep today - so "played hooky" while the wife was in town w/her mom. Cold, hot & sweaty - all at one time! (My wife asks me "Why is this 'fun?!?'")
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    Quote Originally Posted by rotaidalg View Post
    ...Tires were at about 16 PSI...
    Quote Originally Posted by ward View Post
    ...He said he'd "let them down" to 15psi. He's an experienced cyclist and thought that was "low" pressure. When I told him he needed to get them down into single digits he looked at me like I was nuts...
    And the above was for tires less fat than yours.

    Surly Pugsley 3.7 Deformation Over Obstacle - YouTube

    Now try 12, 10, 8, 6.
    Once you're close, vary it by one lbs., then a half.
    Over time, you'll discover what works best (for that bike, those tires/tubes & your weight) on different terrain.

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    I'm 6'2" and geared up I weigh about 235 lbs. I have found that 10-12 psi works good for hard packed trails and pavement. 5-6 psi for snow, and 8-10 for sand.

    Just my .02...

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    Drive-train gear changes - yet again...

    Thanks, Canoe, for the straight dope on the gearing... for now I've yet to get that measurement on the rear diameter - so I defaulted again to the "29 w/2.3 in. tire" on Sheldon Brown's gear calculator...

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-01-crankdtl-29mar14-.jpg Alivio crank w/ 24-34-42 chain rings - 175mm long cranks... KMC chain not a problem on "IG only chain-rings". Chain no longer rubs rear tire but I had to reconfigure my front derailleur setup.
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-02-rtsidevw-nwcrank-29mar14-.jpgThe Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-03-dolomitegrratios-29mar14-w-175mm_cranks.jpg New chart from Sheldon Brown's gear calculator. Shows gear inches...

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-05-solvedchainrub-29mar14-.jpg No more chain rub at rear tire.

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-06-rtsdpdlclrnc-29mar14-.jpg Right side crank clearance at chain stay...

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-07-lftsdpdlclrnc-29mar14-.jpg Left side crank clearance at chain stay.

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-04-frntdrllrtopvwdtl-29mar14-.jpg View from top of the new front derailleur mounting. (I had to abandon my previous clamp - it snapped as I torqued it down. This is actually my clamp from the initial setup (this is the third iteration...) but I had to drill out the threaded portion to allow passage for a heavier long bolt to allow mounting of the derailleur at the front of the clamp. Thanks to Free Cycle Missoula for the plethora of old parts to allow for prototype fabricating "on the fly"!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rotaidalg View Post
    Thanks, Canoe, for the straight dope on the gearing..
    No material difference.
    Your charts is giving 20.4 through 93.5 gear inches.
    Stock tire without measuring for weight & PSI, is 20.7 through 94.9 gear inches.

    Your gain ratio changed from 1.81 through 8.1, to 1.55 through 7.09 with the 42/34/24, then the 175 mm crank radius ratio of 2.13 brings that to 1.50 to 6.89.

    Rather different from the stock 37.8 through 75.5.

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    Replaced the stock bottom bracket bearings. They were greased enough to work (and were clean, uncontaminated), but there were air spaces. So not enough grease for good heat conduction (bearing life) nor enough to be completely packed to prevent water from getting into the race.

    I had a spare set of new cups & bearings sitting around for the Beast. They fit the Dolo.
    YST Sealed BSA Cupset with Bearings (for under $10). BSA means they're the "English" size. # CR5042 BB-611NW
    (Note that this is dry bearings in a race that you will have to grease. "Sealed" refers to the rubber seal that encompasses the axle shaft.)
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    No surprises. Installed the fixed cup filled with grease, completely filled the races with grease, bearings over the axle, slide the axle in, filled the adjustment cup with grease and fitted it on. Lots of rotating while tightening the cup, until no play in the axle. Prior to reaching that point, lots of turning resistance in the axle. Once the play was gone, the axle turned wonderfully freely. Significantly smoother and freer than the stock bearings & grease. I used a silicone grease.

    I used the same grease to repack the front and rear hub bearings and set their play, (both had the same air voids as the BB, as did the headset, which I also topped up). The front hub still turns slightly rough, likely due to having arrived new with the cups so tight that the front axle would not turn. Rear was smooth; gave the rear wheel a moderate spin and it was still spinning close to the same speed a minute later when I stopped it so I could do something else. Heavy wheel...

    Since the wheel was off, I threw the used MF-HG40 14-34T on too.

    Since it was apart for the BB, doing this at the local bike recycle/DIY shop, I grabbed a used $7 unknown Shimano 22-32-44T ring/crank to try out, using the stock 170mm alloy arm on the left. I ran out of time at the shop, so I don't know if the stock chain will work through the range, nor have I set the derailler up yet.

    UPDATE 2014-07-15: Sealed Bearing Cartridge available now in 100mm square taper.
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite
    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-vp-components-square-taper-100mm-bb-cartridge-vp-bc63.jpg

    As of 2014-08-15
    Quote Originally Posted by VP-USA
    Currently: The BC-63 is available in 11 sizes between 137.5mm and 164mm. They skip every 2-3mm just like 68/73mm shell but nothing even close to the 189mm you are looking for.
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    I did a round-trip to Stevensville & back - 16.2 miles total. Took me right at 1 hour to get there - but I stopped to answer a couple incoming texts, took a detour through a plowed (not freshly plowed though) section of a field & then again through a boggy, mucky section - including a soppy ditch - in my lowest gear this was all a breeze. Ride in was with 12 PSI rear & 10 PSI front- Too soft w/the stock tread as the sidewalls keep trying to "grab" & pull on the steering. In Stevi I inflated to 14 front and rear & had much less rolling resistance, etc. (didn't try any more "off-road" stuff though) & made it home in exactly 48 minutes. (Had a bit of a tail-wind as well) I was a little worried about the newer front crank as it says "IG chain only" & all I could find regarding this is possible "un-scheduled" derailing of the chain. Well, w/my stock chain (KMC) in its skewed line I have to have the inner side of the front derailleur set to keep the chain on the smaller ring as-is. However, under "load" w/the cross-country stuff & couple of severely steep small climbs on the route, everything functioned well - & no more chain rub! (Which had more effect, at slow fat-bike speeds, than I would have thought possible on my ride of a few days previous!) I think I've got things where I want them for now. Thanks again, Canoe, for your input & data. (I like the sealed BB bearing idea!)
    I did get some Vee 8's via UPS today so my next "tests" will be a ride in the "stock" tires followed by another in the new ones to see if I detect any differences... (I suspect I will!?!)

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    I have one as well and with only a few tweaks and painting the rims black...its a damn good bike for the price!!! Not going to worry about dropping it on a rock or falling in a ditch.

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    To, The Norseman, Amen Brother!

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    Has anyone bought a Dolo that lives north of the 49th parallel? I stopped in at Walmart tonight here in Calgary and spoke to the manager to see if they could get them (Dolo and Brutis) brought in. She said she'd have to look into it for me.
    I know some people ordered direct from Pacific but does Walmart have an exclusive on these?
    Thanks in advance
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGDog View Post
    Has anyone bought a Dolo that lives north of the 49th parallel? ...
    I know some people ordered direct from Pacific...
    As far as we know, Walmart is currently the exclusive source, with a few people managing to order direct from Pacific. If you order from Walmart.com (U.S.) they ship within the States and for free. Order from Pacific, you pay for shipping; this may mean you can pay Pacific to ship it to Canada. You'd have to ask Pacific. (watch out for getting dinged/ransomed for "broker fees" from the shipping company in Canada; as in, an additional $150 in "broker" fees or they don't deliver, plus HST, plus the danger of a "big box" fee...)

    You can purchase online from Walmart.com with a Canadian credit card (they have instructions on how to enter an international billing address; I won't say how, as that may change over time) but you need a U.S. shipping address. From that U.S. shipping address:
    • you'll have to have it re-shipped to Canada (shipping, "broker" fees, etc.), or
    • drive down and pick it up yourself from your U.S. shipping address.

    I purchased online from Walmart.com, had mine shipped "free" to a UPS Store close to the border, drove down to the States, paid the UPS Store $5 USD, drove back into Canada paying HST at the border.
    There was a mysterious $2.97 shipping fee on my Walmart invoice: but I bought around 10:15 a.m. on the first Tuesday, it shipped late afternoon that same day and it arrived around 12:30 noon on that Thursday, so I'm assuming it was an expedited shipping fee. I drove down to the States on the Friday (an hour down, an hour back), assembled Friday evening, out in the snow before midnight Friday...

    Got my Beast the same way last year, only I paid with a Walmart U.S. gift card. Here it is with a 47mm trials rim with a 120 TPI Surly Endo (3.7") on the front.
    I assume you'll recognize the location.

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-walgoose-beast-47mm-trials-front-3.7-inch-surly-endomorph-sm.jpg

    Edit: May 14, 2014 Available online from Costco.ca (Canada)
    http://www.costco.ca/Ironhorse%C2%AE...100106109.html
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    anyone try putting quick release skewers on the wheels? i dont even know if this is possible?

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    Actual tire width for Dolo - at 14 PSI...

    OK, my Father-in-law had a set of calipers to get a measurement of the tire width - I'll try mounting the Vee 8's later this week & see what the difference is...

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-dolotirewdth-stock-01apr14-.jpg

    With these old calipers I was able to get an actual dimension on the width of the stock front tire at 14 PSI - the widest point measures at 4 9/16 inches (4.5625") and there is plenty of clearance left on the forks and seat and chain stays - this thing could probably run 5-inch wide tires?!?

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-dolotirewdth-stock-msrd-01apr14-.jpg
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    rotaidalg, you realize that when you write your descriptive text onto the photographs, that text is never available to people when searching...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    As far as we know, Walmart is currently the exclusive source, with a few people managing to order direct from Pacific. If you order from Walmart.com (U.S.) they ship within the States and for free. Order from Pacific, you pay for shipping; this may mean you can pay Pacific to ship it to Canada. You'd have to ask Pacific. (watch out for getting dinged/ransomed for "broker fees" from the shipping company in Canada; as in, an additional $150 in "broker" fees or they don't deliver, plus HST, plus the danger of a "big box" fee...)

    You can purchase online from Walmart.com with a Canadian credit card (they have instructions on how to enter an international billing address; I won't say how, as that may change over time) but you need a U.S. shipping address. From that U.S. shipping address:
    • you'll have to have it re-shipped to Canada (shipping, "broker" fees, etc.), or
    • drive down and pick it up yourself from your U.S. shipping address.

    I purchased online from Walmart.com, had mine shipped "free" to a UPS Store close to the border, drove down to the States, paid the UPS Store $5 USD, drove back into Canada paying HST at the border.
    There was a mysterious $2.97 shipping fee on my Walmart invoice: but I bought around 10:15 a.m. on the first Tuesday, it shipped late afternoon that same day and it arrived around 12:30 noon on that Thursday, so I'm assuming it was an expedited shipping fee. I drove down to the States on the Friday (an hour down, an hour back), assembled Friday evening, out in the snow before midnight Friday...

    Got my Beast the same way last year, only I paid with a Walmart U.S. gift card. Here it is with a 47mm trials rim with a 120 TPI Surly Endo (3.7") on the front.
    I assume you'll recognize the location.

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    Thanks Canoe!
    I was hoping to fore go turning this into an excuse for my wife to go on a shopping trip to Spokane (on sales tax for Albertians) but you have take the good with the bad....plus I might be able to squeeze a track day out of it.
    I do appreciate the insight and the shot of your Beast on Parliament Hill. It's been a long time since I've stood in that spot. Ottawa is a beautiful city.

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    Anyone know if LOU/BUD will fit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    rotaidalg, you realize that when you write your descriptive text onto the photographs, that text is never available to people when searching...

    No, sorry, I hadn't thought of that at all. (I usually edit the original .jpegs in "Paint" as screen-shots to save storage space & reduce the file's size - I rename them & add the text to aid me in selecting what I'll post. In future I'll try to add comments to the text of the post vs. on the .jpeg itself... :\

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    Dolo available again online at walmart.com for $299.97.


    Quote Originally Posted by rotaidalg View Post
    ...In future I'll try to add comments to the text of the post vs. on the .jpeg itself... :\
    Why not both? Nice to have the text on the photo so the two parts of the info can't get lost; nice to have the text on the site so it's easier to view and available to be found by a search.

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    [/QUOTE]
    Why not both?... [/QUOTE]

    Done (on some anyway - I have to get back to my school work!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    Dolo available again online at walmart.com for $299.97.
    This morning, still in stock. Price up to $349.97.
    ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    Dolo available again online at walmart.com for $299.97.



    Why not both? Nice to have the text on the photo so the two parts of the info can't get lost; nice to have the text on the site so it's easier to view and available to be found by a search.
    There, finished editing most everything I've got on this thread... (not sure most of it is worth "finding" anyway!) :\
    But it's done.

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    WOW - Blaine's Farm & Fleet: $259 and in-stock @ certain stores.

    Mongoose 26" Men's 7 Speed Massif Fat Mountain Bike at Blain's Farm & Fleet

    Look @ specs. Says 7 spd, 58lbs
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    New Mission Vee-8 Tires mounted on my 21-speed Mongoose Dolomite - 04Apr14

    Well, here is the Mongoose Dolomite in its "sveldt" (or "svelte"...) configuration... (yea, Riiight!)
    I'm running 14 PSI for now - I noticed these are much more flexible, so I may drop to 12 or 10 PSI as I get more time on them... (what is it w/me and my photo captions! Ignore the double ref to the rear rim on the pic!) :\

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-htcomparo-stock-mssnvee8-04apr14-.jpg

    Here is the rear rim with the Mission Vee-8 tire mounted - compared to the front rim with stock tire still on - there's a difference in height!

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-wdthcomparo-mssnvee8-stock-04apr14-.jpg

    Here you can see the difference in the width between the same two...

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-mssnvee8-msrdwdth-04apr14-.jpg

    And, finally the actual measured width of the front Mission Vee-8 tire at 14 PSI...

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-nwtiresmntd-04apr14-.jpg

    Here is the Dolomite in all its "piggish" glory! Rides smoother with these tires (better sidewall flex) and there is a reduction in the gear-inches ratio with the smaller diameter of these less beefy tires...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pspycho View Post
    WOW - Blaine's Farm & Fleet: $259 and in-stock @ certain stores.

    Mongoose 26" Men's 7 Speed Massif Fat Mountain Bike at Blain's Farm & Fleet

    Look @ specs. Says 7 spd, 58lbs
    I thought the Massif was the 20" version and the Dolomite was the 26" version. The Title says 26" but then down in the description it says the tires are 20 x 4.

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    They have something messed up. The Dolomite is the 26", and the Massif is the 20".

    For that price its hard to say if its a less expensive Dolomite, or an overpriced Massif.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pspycho View Post
    WOW - Blaine's Farm & Fleet: $259 and in-stock @ certain stores...
    And, ...
    sold out online.
    I bet that was due to your post.

    They also sell the Massif. Nine available. But $274. They've sure got their listings mixed up between those two bikes.

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    In all honesty, I can't be sure if its these new Mission Vee-8 tires or I'm just getting into better shape (both?) but I made it into town the 8 miles the other day at 42 minutes - only 4 minutes longer than I had a few days earlier on my Schwinn Highplains (touring setup - dropped bars, etc.) That was with the Vee-8s. Today I went in (only about 7.2 miles) in a total of 40 minutes (strong cross & head-winds!) & then back in only 36 minutes (now cross & tail-winds!)
    I estimate the Dolomite is about 10% slower than the "skinny-tired" MTB I use for road riding. I'd like to set up the Dolomite with some dropped bars, etc. - currently my torso is just one big wind catcher... :P

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    is there a list of measurements for the cranks,hubs,stem etc anywhere?

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedmentality View Post
    is there a list of measurements for the cranks,hubs,stem etc anywhere? thanks
    Cranks are 170mm turning a 36T x 14T-28T for gear inches of 37.8 to 75.5, stem is 1 1/8" threadless, hubs are 135mm front and 190mm rear, discs are 160mm.

    All sorts, ad hoc throughout.
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    Thank you, I did read through some of this thread but not all. Seems there was a lot of bickering early on.

    I just bought my bike and after re lubing and adjusting everything I took it out for a spin. I think I would like to go down on the front chain ring to better suite trail riding and to do so i believe the cranks have to be replaced as well.It looks like the cranks and chain ring are one or riveted together.

    I searched for some 170 square taper cranks but honestly I am a little confused as to what to get. I see mostly on road items or vintage. Theres not much in the way of MTB in square taper. I am also wondering if i will need a bash guard to hold on the chain in the front.

    any help would be greatly appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedmentality View Post
    ...Seems there was a lot of bickering early on....
    I think I would like to go down on the front chain ring to better suite trail riding...
    I searched for some 170 square taper cranks ...
    I am also wondering if i will need a bash guard to hold on the chain in the front.
    There was some nonsense for a while, but it's gone now.

    22-32-42T chainring, manual selection, from a bicycle recycle place
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    stock Dolo alloy crank matched well.
    Has a bash guard. Rear derailer can let chain flop around by times.

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    latest ride... 08Apr14... +70 degrees F today!

    No classes today - finished the homework & "honey-do" list...
    Rode into Stevi for some shelf support brackets (I don't recommend no-shoulder roads w/wide handle bars!) I survived...

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    Just south off of Moiese Lane about 5 miles out of Stevensville, MT. Looking west toward Idaho - first day above 70 degrees F since September 2013! Beautiful!

    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite-08apr14-off_moieseln-sth-.jpg

    On the irrigation ditch maintenance road looking south "up" the Bitterroot Valley toward Hamilton - lots of snow-pack this year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    There was some nonsense for a while, but it's gone now.

    22-32-42T chainring, manual selection, from a bicycle recycle place
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    stock Dolo alloy crank matched well.
    Has a bash guard. Rear derailer can let chain flop around by times.
    I was leaning towards just one chain ring or maybe get one with 3 and just use the inner two and replace third outer one with a bash guard??

    I do not have a bicycle recycle place around me so hopefully i can find one on the net.

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    Ideas for 3-ring crank acquisition... with "no parts available"

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedmentality View Post
    I was leaning towards just one chain ring or maybe get one with 3 and just use the inner two and replace third outer one with a bash guard??

    I do not have a bicycle recycle place around me so hopefully i can find one on the net.
    Twistedmentality, I have a 3-ring up front and only get onto the largest when using the two smallest sprockets on the freewheel. (13-34 MegaRange)

    If you go to Sheldon Brown's Gear Calculator and use the stock rear freewheel (14-28 tooth) & a more typical 28-38-48 crank (on most cheap three-piece cranks of big-box store mountain bikes - check thrift stores & pawnshops? Metal re-cyclers- you could buy an old bike for parts at "scrap" prices!?) run the Gear Calculator (use congruent tire size, i.e. 29x2.3" tire) and compare w/the stock chain-ring (36 tooth) - this will give you some idea of what changes you can expect to see in your set-up. Maybe a Local Bike Shop would have some cheap disgarded parts for you to pick through? Good luck!

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    i plan on making a trip to the local bike store to see what he has. i really want to stick to one chain ring up front i just have to think of a way to keep the chain on. i know downhill bikes and free ride bikes use bash guards and guides but our chain ring is a lot further away from the frame then on those such bikes.

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    Dolomite w/dropped bars - touring - setup... (also on the "Daily Pics" thread)

    OK, I'm settled on 15 PSI w/the new Mission Vee-8 tires. I'll try a ride into Stevensville via Lee Metcalf this afternoon (if it doesn't rain...) & time myself to see what, if any, difference I can discern.

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    I've installed some old, cheap, steel drop-bars I acquired from Free Cycle Missoula (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Free-...12465108837550) & (Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation "Free Cycles" Missoula Montana). I then used a base layer of hay-bailing twine covered w/a double layer of inner tube strips as bar-tape (provides a bigger diameter & some weatherproof padding). I side-mounted some old MTB shift-levers (friction vs. indexed) in lieu of bar-end shifters. I also found some cheap double-access brake levers (no issues w/range of motion & the disk brakes...) for a variety of hold positions. This matches my Schwinn High Plain MTB, setup as a "touring" cycle... (see below)

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    Below is a comparison of the High Plains w/the Mongoose Dolomite. Notice the bar height on the Dolo is a bit higher, the seats are almost identical - though I've 175 MM cranks on the Dolo & only 170's on the Schwinn.

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    We'll see if I can get similar speed out of this Fatbike w/the same wind-bucking ability I can have w/dropped bars on the Schwinn...

    (update: Didn't get to do the ride - wife wanted to go into town w/me AND some really nasty sleet/rain moved in...) Tomorrow?!?
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    Here is another dolomite I did for a friend today:







    It's strange how inconsistent these bikes are. I have done a few now and this one felt really really nice, like a much higher end bike. Others felt like a walmart bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blown240 View Post
    Here is another dolomite I did for a friend today:







    It's strange how inconsistent these bikes are. I have done a few now and this one felt really really nice, like a much higher end bike. Others felt like a walmart bike.
    That looks great! What method did you use to paint it? Any upgrades or is it all stock?

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    Great!!!....Thanks!!! Already painted my rims black ...Now I`m thinking about painting the frame!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearhunter View Post
    That looks great! What method did you use to paint it? Any upgrades or is it all stock?
    Bone stock except the paint. I just stripped the frame down, steel woolen the clear coat a bit, and spray bombed it. It has about 4 coats. Time till tell if it hold up...

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    Fantastic! Thanks

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    I think I shall take the Dolo out to some local trails today. 100% stock,we will see how it does,how I do....

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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedmentality View Post
    I think I shall take the Dolo out to some local trails today. 100% stock,we will see how it does,how I do....
    My 10 yr old son has been doing fine riding the trails on his stock Dolo. I'm going to install a 14-34 mega range freewheel next week for him though, just so he has an easier gear for the tougher parts.

    I'm going to do the same on my youngest son's Massif since the bike probably weighs almost as much as him.

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    Well I made it out to the trails. They were pretty muddy. This first trek into the trails made me realize the dolo def could use a granny gear. I have some Vee Rubbers on the way and I will prolly get the mega range freewheel. regardless I had a fun time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedmentality View Post
    ... This first trek into the trails made me realize the dolo def could use a granny gear. I have some Vee Rubbers on the way and I will prolly get the mega range freewheel...
    Yup.
    Stock, it's only 37.8 to 75.5 gear inches. Cruiser range.

    A 14-34T freewheel will take it to 31.1 to 75.5.
    13-34T is 31.1 to 81.3.

    Stock is 36T on the front.
    32T with the 14-34T freewheel will take that down to 27.6 to 67.1.
    With the 13-34T freewheel, the 67.1 goes to 72.3.

    The 11-34T freewheel is elusive, but with 32T in front would make from 27.6 to 85.5.

    It's easy to do your own math. Use 29.375" for the diameter, or 373.06mm for the radius. Or measure with your tire & pressure with you on it from the flat ground to the center of the axle, x2 for the diameter.

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    How low can you go?

    Most of the fatbikes offered by other companies are running a 22 or 23 for the small gear up front with a 11-34 out back.

    I put a three gear crank with a 23 low gear on my Beast and the shimano mega 34 on back. No derailer up front and the chain has never (in 500+ miles) fell off.

    Since the thaw I have been riding on the "beach". Think lots of mushy sand/weeds/muck/sticks. It has been truly amazing what was able to be gone through. By amazing - think "holy s**t" nobody could ride a bike through that! But the Beast did it - granny gear can do!
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    i have a wally single speed cruiser parts bike in my basement. im gonna see whats on it for a front chain ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    With 14-34T on a stock Dolo, that'll give me 31.1 through 75.5 gear inches.

    With a 22T/32T front, I can get that to 19.0 G.I. through 67.1 G.I..
    Make it a triple to 42T and it's up to 88.1.
    That 19 is pretty nice for grassy hills too.

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    My beast is 15.2 gear inches in the lowest gear. It will climb nearly anything. 22t front sprocket, 42t rear cog.

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    OK, I did my test ride yesterday (Sunday) the 8.1 miles to the store to turn in a video. With the new drop bars & a wicked wind (tail in & head wind back) my times were 36 minutes there & 42 minutes back for a "split" time of 39 minutes... That's about what I can get on my Schwinn High Plains. I'm running 15 PSI front & rear on the Mission Vee-8's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearhunter View Post
    My 10 yr old son has been doing fine riding the trails on his stock Dolo. I'm going to install a 14-34 mega range freewheel next week for him though, just so he has an easier gear for the tougher parts.

    I'm going to do the same on my youngest son's Massif since the bike probably weighs almost as much as him.

    How does the Dolo fit your son. I'm thinking my daughters need fatbikes and this is about the only way I can afford to buy two extras.

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    I present: How To Crash A Dolomite (without getting hurt)


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    Quote Originally Posted by tradera View Post
    How does the Dolo fit your son. I'm thinking my daughters need fatbikes and this is about the only way I can afford to buy two extras.
    The seat is all the way down and rotated the handlebars so they sweep in towards the rider (instead of sweeping up - due to his size). He handles it fine and he won't outgrow it (I got tired of buying kids bikes every few years). We trail ride every weekend and he dusts his other brother and sister with it. He's really rough on his stuff, so the dolo is a good bike for him to beat around.

    As for the boy vs. girl thing (as it relates to the weight of the bike). His 13yr old sister has no problems riding it either (after moving the seat up to fit her).

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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedmentality View Post
    Well I made it out to the trails. They were pretty muddy. This first trek into the trails made me realize the dolo def could use a granny gear. I have some Vee Rubbers on the way and I will prolly get the mega range freewheel. regardless I had a fun time.

    Really? 1st gear isn't low enough? thoughts on how to fix that? I'd do a lot of beach riding into the wind and it's sometimes soft sand, a low gear is important to me. Changing out the front chain ring is possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spidennis View Post
    Really? 1st gear isn't low enough? thoughts on how to fix that? I'd do a lot of beach riding into the wind and it's sometimes soft sand, a low gear is important to me. Changing out the front chain ring is possible?

    i am replacing my rear freewheel with a magarange freewheel. it has a larger granny gear then stock.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002OK...&robot_redir=1


    changing the front chain ring is not possible with out changing the cranks. the stock chain ring is not removable from the cranks. if you do change out the whole crank you want a 170 mm crank with a smaller then 36t (stock chain ring) chain ring.

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    Yes, that is the one. I bought one for a Massif.
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    The 14-34T or the 13-34T.
    Go back a page or two and read.

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    Well i put on the new tires(vee rubber v8's) and the megarange freewheel today. The derailleur was a pia to adjust but i got it working. does the chain look like its to short or do i have the B screw out of whack or is it because its in the mega ranger cog??




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    The chain is too short

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    Your LBS will have some spare chain for you. As for the front cranks - change them out.

    There are lots of used cranks for sale on ebay.

    And new ones can be had fairly cheap. For where these bikes will ride - go low or go home.
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    So what is the recommended chainring if going with new cranks? 32T?

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    I went to the local bike shop and bought a larger chain,a used clicker thumb shifter, some new cables and grips.

    mods are happening.

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    new here, just got a dolomite, watching everyones progress,
    I have a new cassette here wanting to install, I see it takes a longer chain, I am 70 miles from a bike shop, what chain can I order off ebay,
    I don't like the grip shifters, what to change to,
    thanks

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    i just put this shifter on mine. its an alivio. much better then stock. sorry for the crappy cell phone pic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    The 14-34T or the 13-34T.
    Go back a page or two and read.
    I was hoping you could give me some advice as i dont know much about building bicycles. I just bought a dolomite and took it to my lbs for some upgrades because i hated the gears and shifter. The guy said he could replace the 7 speed cassette for a 9 speed one and put on a deore derailer and new trigger shifters because the twist one was terrible. I also asked if he could replace the front single sprocket with a new one that has even more gears but he said its not possible. I saw on here that you might have figured out a way to do this with new cranks also.

    Can you specifically link me to the parts I need so I can show they guy at my lbs? I also have vee mission 120 tpi folding tires and was wondering if you think I should drill out my stock rims or just buy some lightweight tubes. Also im new to bicycling so I dont understand all the tech talk, jargon and numbers such as what I have quoted in the top of this post. Laymans terms please. thanks for your time.

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    Misterdolo - first off, the person you spoke to at your local shop doesn't realize what the parts on your bike are. It doesn't have a cassette. It has a freewheel. So going to 9 speed is not easily done.

    You can get a Megarange freewheel for less than $20 and some trigger shifters for not much more. If you want a Multi gear crank, there are options, but do the new freewheel first and see if that's good enough for the riding you are doing.

    As far as the tubes vs drilling. That depends on how much weight you want to remove from the bike. Tubes are easy, drilling is pretty easy too, but time consuming.

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    This is the hub I put on my modified Beast - bought from a LBS though - for the same price.

    Amazon.com : Shimano 7 Speed Freewheel, 14-34, MegaRange : Bike Cassettes And Freewheels : Sports & Outdoors

    I am very happy with the low gear. But if I were to do it again, I would have bought one with out the big jump from the lowest gear to the next lowest gear. This sometimes makes for a hard shift. One more like this perhaps ---

    Amazon.com: Sunrace Freewheel 8 Speed 13-34 Teeth: Sports & Outdoors

    I would agree too, that you should change out the back first and see how it goes. The only time you will most likely need more high gears is when and if you are trying to go fast. Or if you plan on doing a lot of riding on paved trails with higher air pressures.

    You will also need to lengthen your chain to accommodate the larger gear.
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    MisterDolo, I didnt drill my rims or go to a lighter tube. I used the stock tube with Vee Rubber V8's and i noticed a difference on how much easier it rolled.

    Drilling holes is an option to lose even more rotating weight (the best weight to shave off) but i felt in my case it was better to have a stronger wheel. I am not sure how much weaker drilling makes the wheels but I am sure it does to some extent.

    Do one upgrade/mod at a time so y9ou can see what changes it makes to the bike.

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    MisterDolo, pretty much what they said.
    • get it lubed!!!: front hub, rear hub (when you change the freewheel) and the headset.
    • Get the brakes adjusted.
    • Get the bottom bracket bearing upgraded to YST Sealed BSA Cupset with Bearings (part cost under $10).( The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite) and make sure it's filled with grease (no air pockets in the bearing race for water to get into).
    • Note that the front & rear hubs, headset and bottom bracket need to be properly adjusted when they're greased. It's not simply disassemble, squirt grease, reassemble.
    • Note that the trigger shifter is a 7 speed Shimano type shifter.
    • Get that 7-speed 14-34T freewheel (or the 13-34T version). New, it's available for under $10 if you look around.
    • Check your tire pressure. Make sure it's correct for the terrain you're on. With fat tires, expect to change your tire pressure to match different terrain.
    • You're getting or already have 120 tpi tires, which is a huge improvement. Loose the stock tubes. It's not the weight as much as the stock tubes are hard to roll. Let your 120 tpi tires do their best with an appropriate tube, otherwise you're using them crippled.

    After the above is done, and you've spend some days riding the bike
    • if you find the Dolo is still hard to pedal, then you look to changing the front. The stock front is 36T (teeth/tooth). You can get a double or triple front (22-32-42T), but then only use the 22T or 32T, by stopping and changing the chain over by hand when you're riding on the flat vs. on hills. If you find you want to switch a lot, then you look into adding the appropriate hardware to do that job.
    • The last thing you'll want to consider is drilling the rims. It can be a cool thing to do, if you've got an idea for rim tape that will show through the holes. If you need to lose that miniscule weight for the type of riding you do, then you've got the wrong bike to start with. Provided the drilling is done correctly, and you're not a Clydesdale (heavy weight), the rim is a tiny bit weaker but that doesn't matter. If that trivial amount matters, you may have got the wrong bike for the type of riding you're attempting with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantTrek View Post
    ... I would have bought one with out the big jump from the lowest gear to the next lowest gear. This sometimes makes for a hard shift. One more like this perhaps
    Sunrace Freewheel 8 Speed 13-34 Teeth: Sports & Outdoors
    ...
    Having the 28T in there would be nice, but I don't know how easy it would be to go from a 7 speed freewheel to a 8 speed freewheel on the Dolo. There may not be enough space for the stack height.
    I also read somewhere that there is some concern with the strength of an 8 speed freewheel, compared to the 7 speed. Can't recall what it was specifically (bent axles?, leverage on the axle or some such thing?).

    The 7 speed 14-34T/13-34T freewheel can use the stock derailer & shifters, or upgraded parts.

    The progression of 14-16-18-20-22-24-34T is a little much at the end. Something like the 7 speed cassettes would be nice (13-15-17-20-24-29-34T). I wonder if one could do a custom 7 speed stack, drop the 22, add the 28, for 14-16-18-20-24-28-34T.

    Perhaps a better place to start would be with the 7 speed 13-15-17-19-21-24-28T, and restack it to 13-15-17-20-24-28-34T. The 13- uses a triple diameter freewheel body whereas the 14- uses a dual diameter one.

    Customizing Shimano 7 Speed Freewheels | Harris Cyclery

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    Thanks for the link to the Harris page. Ive been thinking of making up a freewheel for my boys Massif. I wonder if the wife will miss her megarange freewheel, or if I'm better off just buying one....

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    Modifying a Freewheel:

    Many Massif and Dolomite owners want to put an easier gear on their bikes. This is easily done by swapping on a Megarange freewheel. The problem with the megarange freewheel is that is has a big, 10 tooth, jump between the 2 largest cogs.

    On my 6 year olds Massif, this jump was way to big, so I set off to make the steps between cogs smaller, this is how I did it:

    First off here is a picture of the stock Massif freewheel, and the Megarange freewheel that I bought from my LBS.




    Here is a picture of the megarange freewheel I took off of my wifes bike:




    Notice that the 2 megarange freewheels have the same size cogs on them, but they are very different:

    NEW:



    OLD



    The new style megarange freewheels will not work for this modification because the 3 largest cogs are pinned together and cannot be easily taken apart. And if they are taken apart, the 34 doesnt have splines.




    So make sure that the megarange freewheel you have doesnt have the pinned larger cogs.

    Here is the breakdown of the 3 freewheels:

    Stock Massif (and probably Dolomite)
    28, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14



    NEW Megarange:

    34, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14




    OLD megarange:

    34, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14





    HOW TO DISSASSEMBLE:

    Its pretty easy to do with common tools.

    Screw the freewheel to a block of wood using the teeth to hold the freewheel in place. Using a screwdriver, or a punch, and a hammer, tap the lockring to unscrew it.





    THE MODIFIED FREEWHEEL:

    once you have a pile of cogs and spacers, time to reassemble it. I used as many of the Shimano parts as possible and here is the result:

    34, 28, 24, 20, 18, 16, 14

    putting the 28t between the 34 and 24 is the best way to go:






    Let me know if I need to explain any of this more. Hopefully this helped...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    Colour is nice.
    Paint run just to right of center in the photo (top of down tube, very close to head tube, tucked in under the top tube). Otherwise, the paint is done nicely.

    Attachment 876133
    That's called candy paint drippin...

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    Does the Massif have a Falcon freewheel from the factory?

    Was wondering how compatible the cogs from Shimano and Falcon were

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    Do you have any pics of the freewheel bodies that show the splines?

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    The DOLOMITE in the Wild

    couple pics of my gateway bike

    swapped tires/tubes , drilled the rims, added a take off crank (22/32), ebayed direct mount derailleur/thumb shifter/PS adapter, and found some red flare.





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    Here is the NEW Megarange.



    Here is the Massif: It is a Falcon



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    Here are some spline comparisons:

    Shimano is the shiny cog, falcon the other:



    Stacked up:







    The splines are slightly different, but still seem to work together fine. I filed the 28t a tiny bit before I really looked at it. I didn't include it in the writeup, because where I filed it made no difference to the fit once I actually looked at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blown240 View Post
    Modifying a Freewheel:
    Notice that the 2 megarange freewheels have the same size cogs on them, but they are very different:

    NEW: 34, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14
    The new style megarange freewheels will not work for this modification because the 3 largest cogs are pinned together and cannot be easily taken apart. And if they are taken apart, the 34 doesnt have splines.



    boy you move fast

    And it's a good job you do. Important to know about that pinned megarange. You've probably saved a lot of folk from getting a pinned megarange freewheel that can't have a 28T swapped in.

    If you had both megarange freewheels (13-xxT and 14-xxT) sitting in front of you (I've got a both to 34T), would you go with:
    • the 14-xxT for 14-16-18-20-24-28-34T, or
    • the 13-xxT for 13-15-17-20-24-28-34T?

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    It probably really doesn't matter too much. If it was my bike, I would use the 13t because I would want the slightly higher top speed. But if it was for my boy, or someone who doesn't really ride too fast and stays in the lower gears, I would go with the 14 because of the slightly closer ratios.


    I ended up putting the pinned freewheel on my wife's bike. She will never need to modify it and probably won't ever know I even took the wheel off if it.

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    That is what I like about this bike, people aren't afraid to try changing it and making it their own.

    wonder if the 11-34T freewheel is pinned or not, will find out when I receive the one I have on order

    Looking at the pinned freewheel reminds me of this item I saw on ebay.

    Suntour Winner Pro TA 8V 11 38 Freewheel 4 Schwinn Tandem Drum Brake | eBay

    It added a 38 chainring to the back of a 7-speed freewheel, making it a 8-speed only works for specific Drum Brake hubs though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    MisterDolo, pretty much what they said.
    • get it lubed!!!: front hub, rear hub (when you change the freewheel) and the headset.
    • Get the brakes adjusted.
    • Get the bottom bracket bearing upgraded to YST Sealed BSA Cupset with Bearings (part cost under $10).( The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite) and make sure it's filled with grease (no air pockets in the bearing race for water to get into).
    • Note that the front & rear hubs, headset and bottom bracket need to be properly adjusted when they're greased. It's not simply disassemble, squirt grease, reassemble.
    • Note that the trigger shifter is a 7 speed Shimano type shifter.
    • Get that 7-speed 14-34T freewheel (or the 13-34T version). New, it's available for under $10 if you look around.
    • Check your tire pressure. Make sure it's correct for the terrain you're on. With fat tires, expect to change your tire pressure to match different terrain.
    • You're getting or already have 120 tpi tires, which is a huge improvement. Loose the stock tubes. It's not the weight as much as the stock tubes are hard to roll. Let your 120 tpi tires do their best with an appropriate tube, otherwise you're using them crippled.

    After the above is done, and you've spend some days riding the bike
    • if you find the Dolo is still hard to pedal, then you look to changing the front. The stock front is 36T (teeth/tooth). You can get a double or triple front (22-32-42T), but then only use the 22T or 32T, by stopping and changing the chain over by hand when you're riding on the flat vs. on hills. If you find you want to switch a lot, then you look into adding the appropriate hardware to do that job.
    • The last thing you'll want to consider is drilling the rims. It can be a cool thing to do, if you've got an idea for rim tape that will show through the holes. If you need to lose that miniscule weight for the type of riding you do, then you've got the wrong bike to start with. Provided the drilling is done correctly, and you're not a Clydesdale (heavy weight), the rim is a tiny bit weaker but that doesn't matter. If that trivial amount matters, you may have got the wrong bike for the type of riding you're attempting with it.
    I dropped my bike off 2 weeks ago at my lbs and asked for new bars, shifters, derailler, chain, pedals and maybe brakes. After assuring me he could upgrade everything i asked including the casette which you pointed out would need to be a freewheel. I told him this and this is our email convo. read the last one from him WTF?!



    Apr 10
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    Hey this is the guy who brought in the fat bike today. I was wondering if you could grease the headset and cranks and axles and all that stuff because apparently those things ship with barely any grease on the bearings. I basically just want you to go through the whole bike and make sure it's as good as it can possibly be for what it is and I realize it's not going to be anything incredible. Also, true the wheels if you can. Let me know if you have any questions.
    Thanks



    Apr 11


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    Will check it and you want the 9spd freewheel derailleur and trigger shifters along with a nicer seat and bar, correct and red pedals.


    Sent from my iPhone


    Apr 11
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    Yes to all you mentioned and maybe a new chain as well. Also please
    make sure the bottom bracket is greased. Can I get colored cables on
    it? Maybe red to match the pedals and wheels. Thanks





    Apr 11


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    Iíll check it out.






    Apr 12 (13 days ago)
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    Hey bud,
    Can you send me a list of parts you are installing? Also, i ordered new tires but am still shopping for tubes. Ill bring them in when i get to land if they have arrived by then. Thanks!


    Apr 21 (4 days ago)
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    So whats the damage gonna be?





    Apr 24 (1 day ago)


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    9spd Freewheel was what I explained when you dropped it off would be needed, not a cassette. Bar comes in tomorrow, brakes are quite inadequate right now will evaluate them again and see if they need an upgrade for stopping power.


    Apr 24 (1 day ago)
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    Yeah i know nothing about bikes. Thanks again bro.



    Apr 24 (1 day ago)


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    No problem




    4:19 PM (6 hours ago)


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    Please come pick up your bike. Grips, bar/stem, pedals complete. Nothing else will be done, the bike is not designed for upgrades.




    What the actual ****? This is a legit bike shop that carries all kinds of italian racing jobs and such. I don't know how to do these upgrades on my own. What should I tell this guy?
    Last edited by MisterDolo; 04-25-2014 at 10:57 PM.

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    What did you expect?! Your lbs was100% correct when they said the bike wasn't designed for upgrades. The things that others have accomplished with it amount to turd polishing and are arguably not worth the time, effort and expense for the results. There's a reason that the Dolomite is $350 and a fat bike at a b local bike shop is $1500 and up.

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    The real answer is that they just don't want mess with it. Shops with all sorts of high end bikes have a different outlook towards cheaper bikes. Nothing against them, it's just the way it is.

    Your best bet it to take it to another shop.

    As far as polishing a turn goes; it's your turd, polishing it if you like. I've polished 2 so far and I have no regrets.

    There is no reason that this bike couldn't be upgraded, it's your money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    most uncool giving personal information on the net especially from a PRIVATE message
    your name is not listed. edit your post to remove the other persons name
    Get that done.
    Name and contact info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterDolo View Post
    ...What should I tell this guy?
    You should tell him Thank You!
    By not going ahead, he saved you a lot of money. Going to a 9 speed on a Dolo could get iffy fast. I'm sure they wouldn't want the liability.

    See the list of what to do. Do it or get it done.

    Are there any bike co-ops near you? Once someone shows you how, none of what is on the top part of that list is hard.

    Later, if necessary for the riding you do, then you go for:
    Quote Originally Posted by oops View Post
    You need to do some more reading so you understand what you're asking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    most uncool giving personal information on the net especially from a PRIVATE message

    your name is not listed. edit your post to remove the other persons name

    Edited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    Get that done.
    Name and contact info.
    Done.

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    UPDATE :
    I deleted his info as requested. Sorry about that, I was just carried away with the whole thing. Here is his new response after I sent him the suggestions I was given:

    "None of the parts are under $10, were not disassembly this bike to lube or adjust, wheels are wopped, rotors bent, it is produced in China, and not built correctly , or with quality parts. It's hi-tensile stamped steel, fork is was not milled straight or correct."

    So basically this is an unrideable bike? You guys all probably think im a complete dolt but listen, i work offshore and am home maybe 5 days a month and those days arent even consecutive. I dont have time to learn how to fix, find parts, and perform upgrades on a bike. I just really liked the way the dolo looked and wanted it for some local single track. my last bike was a gt avalanche 3.0 that i had upgraded the same way including handbuilt wheels that I LOVED. Only sold it for a plane ticket that I couldnt fund any other way. Anyway, rant over. I just wanted a fun, cheap fatbike that I could throw a few bucks at along the way to make it a weekend fun machine. I obviously am doing it wrong and will just save for a Krampus. Thanks for all the input!
    Last edited by MisterDolo; 04-26-2014 at 10:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterDolo View Post
    ... "None of the parts are under $10, were not disassembly this bike to lube or adjust, wheels are wopped, rotors bent, it is produced in China, and not built correctly , or with quality parts. It's hi-tensile stamped steel, fork is was not milled straight or correct."
    None of the parts he was going to sell you were under $10. An LBS can't stay in business and sell you the under $10 parts for under $10; they need to have a markup.
    My first hand personal experience: the megarange and the YST bottom bracket cup & bearings are available under $10. Better parts can cost a lot more.

    "Wheels are wopped"? My wheels were not warped, but tensioned properly and set & stress released (so they're still not warped). Rotors were and are straight, my fork is straight. Yours could very well be as they say, it is a department store bike, but it would be the first that I've heard of for the Dolo. If it is, it should be addressed under warranty. The surprise with the Dolo, while using some rather cheap parts, is that it didn't have the usual department store bike problems, other than an over tightened front hub bearing.

    Odd with the rotors that the LBS didn't sell you to upgrade to a set of BB7s with rotors. Could be the fork is defective and they just wanted out of any liability.

    Not sure what is meant by "were not disassembly this bike to lube or adjust" (do they mean "would not disassemble" or "we did not disassemble"?), but I had to loosen off both hubs and the headset to access the bearings to grease them, and grease the new cup & bearing bottom bracket set as part of installation, then when (re)assembled - for each - adjust their tension so the bearing would function properly. A bike shop would be extremely familiar with this, and much more experienced at it than I. You've definitely got some miscommunication happening.

    It does sound like you need a bike that is much closer to the way you want "off the shelf". Do find a LBS experienced with Fat Bikes.

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    The Dolo in the (semi) wild - Mongoose Dolomite

    I don't know, it sounds like he was hounding the lbs and expected parts to be "under $10" for a bike he didn't buy there, and they just got tired of it.

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    Small update on the Megarange freewheel mod:

    I installed it on my boys Massif and it works great.



    The only issue was that the derailer cage touches the rim when in the lowest gear. This was easily solved by trimming the corner of the cage off with a pair of side cutters. The metal cuts very easily.

    NOTE: this is not an issue with the Dolomite. Only the Massif due to it's smaller wheels.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearhunter View Post
    I don't know, it sounds like he was hounding the lbs and expected parts to be "under $10" for a bike he didn't buy there, and they just got tired of it.
    Ok you are way off base here, this is advice given to me by another member. I never hounded him or asked for discount priced parts. I told him verbatim what I was told here. I NEVER expected anything to cost 10 dollars except maybe grips or something.

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    List of problems with my dolo as noted by lbs:

    New Update, he just sent me this. Should I get my money back from walmart?

    to have to take this unit, upgrade it, and then dissemble the entire unit to correct manufacturing defects shouldnít have to be performed if it were built well.

    On your Mongoose Dolomite here is what we have found:




    Rotors were warped (front & back)
    Rear wheel is improperly dished and therefore has a hop
    Both Wheels are out of true, but are not a strong double wall rim
    Rear stamped dropout on the drivetrain side was bent ad out of alignment
    Both front fork dropouts are bent
    Brake Rotors were improperly assembled and aligned
    Headset bearings (top & bottom) were dry and void of grease
    9spd freewheel will not fit, frame was not designed for a 9spd freewheel
    Tires may not be perfectly round or symmetrical
    Forums dedicated to taking this bike and upgrading the unit; I canít comment on, or what people may/will do with this specific bicycle.



    We receive phone calls almost daily with regards to Big-Box Bicycles: Wal-Mart, Academy, or K-Mart. It ranges from people that have just purchased them, several days old, or 1-2 weeks old with derailleurs snapping, and chains breaking. Almost every call refers to a warped wheel/rim or both wheels being warped. The wheels tend to be a single wall construction, with very poor weld points, often times causing a tube to puncture due to metal edges on improper weld spots.


    Some units are worse than others, but each unit we have seen have had wheel issues, and shifting issues as a minimum. Often times, the new wheels equals the cost of the bicycle, or 1/2 of its purchase price, and we instruct them to return the unit and exchange for another unit, rather than pay to replace a defective part.




    So what should I do? Scrap it?
    and again, thank you for the advice!
    Last edited by MisterDolo; 04-27-2014 at 08:13 PM.

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