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    Clues about Surly's newest (fat?)bike

    From the official Surly twitter stream...

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    Fat tires are to trails what I am to bacon
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    They said it couldn't be done. Well, wait until you see what we've come up with
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    A mythical beast is being ridden
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    This bike is eating the trails alive
    Hmmmm, what could it possibly be?

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    Just when you think you got it figured out, there goes the rug.

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    Full Suspension before Salsa does it???

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfkbike2 View Post
    Full Suspension before Salsa does it???
    That's what I'm hoping for, but it would be a huge departure for them, so I'm not so sure that's it.

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    Perhaps they took a cue from 9:zero:7 and are putting together a symmetrical rear compatible with BFL.

    Really I am just hoping for a BFNate

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    A friend of a friend of mine owns a shop.....and he heard from a rep that he talked to a guy at QBP who saw the bike in question. It's belt driven with an internally geared hub and drop bars. It's a steel frame and it clears their new 130mm rims and 5.65" tires.

    It's going to be awesome!! I can't wait! I'm going to build mine with blue anno components and red grips.

    Anyone have any suggestions for a good seat post for it?

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    new tires is what i want from surly
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    "What they said cannot be done"...

    Mmmm maybe tubeless rims and tyres?
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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey View Post
    A friend of a friend of mine owns a shop.....and he heard from a rep that he talked to a guy at QBP who saw the bike in question. It's belt driven with an internally geared hub and drop bars. It's a steel frame and it clears their new 130mm rims and 5.65" tires.

    It's going to be awesome!! I can't wait! I'm going to build mine with blue anno components and red grips.

    Anyone have any suggestions for a good seat post for it?

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    Ridiculous! Nobody puts grips on drop bars. Especially red ones.

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    Well, I want 6" tyres
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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey View Post
    a steel frame and it clears their new 130mm rims and 5.65" tires.
    Want it aaaaaaaallllll.......

    But would happily settle for BigFatNate.
    This isn't a "you're doing it wrong" topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey View Post
    A friend of a friend of mine owns a shop.....and he heard from a rep that he talked to a guy at QBP who saw the bike in question. It's belt driven with an internally geared hub and drop bars. It's a steel frame and it clears their new 130mm rims and 5.65" tires.
    I know you're being tongue in cheek, but I can't help but think you're making fun of (most of) my bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Diller View Post
    I know you're being tongue in cheek, but I can't help but think you're making fun of (most of) my bike.
    That's funny, I thought he was mocking my blue anno parts!

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    gimme a break.. tubeless from surly? Full susp from Surly?!!
    mythical beast.. hummm. eating up trails. humm again.

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    "Fat tires are to trails what I am to bacon"
    "They said it couldn't be done. Well, wait until you see what we've come up with"
    "A mythical beast is being ridden"
    "This bike is eating the trails alive"

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    "With an appetite for practically anything in their path, feral swine are responsible for considerable damage"
    "Feral swine are often referred to as “living rototillers” due to their destructive digging"
    "As the summer months heat up, feral swine seek out wet areas to roll in the mud or “wallow.”"

    Something shod in 'Big Feral Nates'?!

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    "A mythical beast is being ridden" . Sounds like a new bike.
    Mythical beasts: Bigfoot, chupacabra, sasquatch, yeti (taken), minotaur, Jersey Devil, unicorn...

    "This bike is eating the trails alive"
    Probably not a vegetarian beast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    "A mythical beast is being ridden" . Sounds like a new bike.
    Mythical beasts: Bigfoot, chupacabra, sasquatch, yeti (taken), minotaur, Jersey Devil, unicorn...

    "This bike is eating the trails alive"
    Probably not a vegetarian beast.
    Yea, but then there's the bacon analogy. Any mythical pig beasts? Or just wild boars that are pretty elusive aside from their trail of destruction...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    "A mythical beast is being ridden" . Sounds like a new bike.
    Mythical beasts: Bigfoot, chupacabra, sasquatch, yeti (taken), minotaur, Jersey Devil, unicorn...

    "This bike is eating the trails alive"
    Probably not a vegetarian beast.
    Chupacabra, Jabberwocky, Bandersnatch..... these names are up for grabs again
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    Found this on google, Babirusa.... though to have mythical qualities.

    Though dont google image "mythical pig"
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    Starting a little sooner this year, are we?

    Last year was fun. This one could be too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    Found this on google, Babirusa.... though to have mythical qualities.

    Though dont google image "mythical pig"
    22 posts and the shark has been jumped.

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    they've got a line on special order IGH's, ultra-low torque ones with some weirdo cog offset that'll clear a nate on a centered 135mm frame, maybe a 73mm bb to avoid 100mm bb q-factor induced knee pains?
    that's all the "they say it can't be done" I can think of in one bike that's still a rigid. (as per Surly's MO)

    wasn't there someone with a SS retrotec frame with standard bb that cleared endos?
    just requires a hub that places the cog FAR out.

    could be a travel coupled bike, but that's hardly "can't be done" stuff...
    If steel is real then aluminium is supercallafragiliniun!

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    I heard mention of a soft tail. Kind of the Surly mindset approach to FS, to counter Salsa's more tech heavy offering.

    Can't recall who said it, but there was a screen shot of a CAD drawing as well.....

    I also had a customer tell me they were at another shop and heard mention of a fatter tire for 2013, so who knows....

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    Meh, it will be 5 or 6 years before they get their act together for what ever they are planning.

    WTF, people are still waiting for moonlanders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byknuts View Post
    they've got a line on special order IGH's, ultra-low torque ones with some weirdo cog offset that'll clear a nate on a centered 135mm frame, maybe a 73mm bb to avoid 100mm bb q-factor induced knee pains?
    that's all the "they say it can't be done" I can think of in one bike that's still a rigid. (as per Surly's MO)
    ^Something like that would be excellent...maybe with some geo tweaks too.

    ...and with 'Big Feral Nates', on the mythical bike you envision--that we might describe as having Boar/'Pigsley'-like capacities, haha.

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    @surlybikes

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    I think I see fat tires at least

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    OK, in keeping with the mythical beast thing, how about fat tires around 29" hoops. 29 x 4.0.
    so 3 creatures: Troll, Ogre, and this new thing. New rims and tires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoogieMang View Post


    I think I see fat tires at least
    Wheelie-specific geometry fatbike.

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    Oh man... If they come out with 29x4" rims, I'm gonna freak.
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    Would a fattie with 29x 4 rims not be a niche for giants?

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    That looks to possibly be a bike path on the right of that photo--does anyone recognize it? Someone should go out there to do some tire track analysis!?

    I'm not convinced its got wheelie-geometry...the rider may just be struggling to get the rear wheel off the ground for a bunny hop--likely due to the high weight of this mythical IGH,

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    so much clearer now

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    Looks like a 29er FATTY
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    Enhance... enhance... enhance... enhance...

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    so much clearer now

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    Either that grass is really tall or that rear wheel has like 2 psi in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoogieMang View Post
    Either that grass is really tall or that rear wheel has like 2 psi in it.
    No, it's just "eating the trail alive".

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    I'm voting 29er fattie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvossman View Post
    I'm voting 29er fattie.
    My guess: A 29er race fatty. Like a KM with room for a 29" Nate on a 65mm 29" Marge Lite. 170mm hub only. Dark blue.
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    Wouldn't this effectively turn it into a 32" with the increased outside diameter? Like our 26x4 = 29" now?

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    As much as I would want anything new that Surly puts out, I can honestly say that I do not want to see another fatty from Surly. Only because I already want a Moonlander and have only had my Pugsley for about 2 years now. My lottery list would include each bike that Surly puts out. They may not be the greatest or most popular brand out there but man do they bikes that are fun to ride. Salsa as well! I literally take my Pugs everywhere and rarely touch the other 2 I have.

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    Looks like it has a banana seat and a sissy bar. Big fat Sting-ray?

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    It won't be a 29er - that is too old hat already.

    I'm thinking 650C.....

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    carbon frame 27.5 wheels with paragon post mount sliders, what do I win ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    Oh man... If they come out with 29x4" rims, I'm gonna freak.
    I will also totally loose it.

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    facebook pic is actually a bit clearer. Here is the original cropped


    and of course the "enhance"

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    I hate to say it but those wheels actually do look kinda large in diameter.....

    Not sure if I love or hate Surly.
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    Awww crap, so it's looking like I will have a 3rd fatbike. Just when I thought I had it all the bikes I needed...

    If it is a full susp fatty I won't want it...that is if it it a 26", already got one. However if it is a new wheel size I'd be very interested. Does anyone think that a 29er fatty would be too much? A 650b may be more practical? As a Clyde I wouldn't mind the 29" but a smaller rider may not. Also Im not sure how it would handle in tight, twisty woods we have here in New England. Also how much more expensive will the tires be, round $200?

    Just initial thoughts and concerns but really excited to see what the heck it is!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    I hate to say it but those wheels actually do look kinda large in diameter......
    But the tires look less fat, like a 3.0, maybe. 650b x 3.0?

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    Rear sus ! The angle of the rear triangle doesnt line up with the top tube.

    Those wheels do look bigger though.....
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    Definitely looks like a 650B or 29er, but fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    But the tires look less fat, like a 3.0, maybe. 650b x 3.0?
    If it is a 622ISO based tire, Surly will have pulled a coup of (pardon the pun) massive proportions. It has been well documented that 29"er tires could not be made larger than 2.4" wide-2.5" wide due to the physical limitations of the tire molding machines used in Asia.

    So, unless Surly got someone to produce a super-expensive mold machine, and then use it to make this supposed 622ISO bead tire, it isn't (probably) a 700c based tire. (Don't say 29"er. It would be a bigger diameter than that if it were a 700c/622ISO tire @ 3" width)

    Of course, there is always that "if" hanging out there until we actually see it.

    And it could very well just be a wider rim with a 2.4"er on it as well. Those have been done before, maybe Surly is doing that idea one better.
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    Maybe it's the low res pic or maybe it's just my eyes playing games with me but those tires look awfully short in height. Low Profile and Fat? Not sure that makes much sense though... Am I seeing a dual crown suspension fork too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    I heard mention of a soft tail. Kind of the Surly mindset approach to FS, to counter Salsa's more tech heavy offering.
    I know what it is--been riding it a month now.

    And I ain't sayin'.

    Piped in here to comment on your use of "Salsa" and "tech heavy" in the same sentence.

    Bwaaahaahaaa! Good one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    Rear sus ! The angle of the rear triangle doesnt line up with the top tube.

    Those wheels do look bigger though.....
    Agreed. I am intrigued could it be low profile 4" wide 29er wheels with a soft tail thrown in to trump everyone.
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    It's like a Bigfoot pic. Damn you Surly!

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    Low profile tubeless fat radial tyres are just what we need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit View Post
    It's like a Bigfoot pic.
    Funny, I was thinking the same thing last night as I read through this....

    Mikesee, you are a bad influence sir, go away

    Great, guess I'll be going to Interbike again this year.
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    I waited and waited to buy a fatbike... Once they came out with Clownshoes and BFLarries, I decided there were not going to be fat 29ers, so I bought a Fatback.
    I will be VERY unhappy if that's a fat 29er.
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    650b trials type frame for urban fat fun....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I know what it is--been riding it a month now.

    And I ain't sayin'.

    Piped in here to comment on your use of "Salsa" and "tech heavy" in the same sentence.

    Bwaaahaahaaa! Good one!
    Well, is any of our speculation at least even close?

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    Oh I am ready, 40lbs lighter and cash in my pocket

    Someone give me something to get back on the trails on.
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    Looks like the bike will be plant-green and have chrome looking wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    650b trials type frame for urban fat fun....?
    I would totally go far a 650b x 3.5 urban stomper, but man, imagine that conversation with the tire manufacturer.

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    Maybe the bike in the picture hasn't got big wheels at all, maybe it's a very small rider....

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    650b x 3.25" with a 65mm light rims and tubeless... and will fit on existing fat bikes due to the lower profile of the tire.... So more of an all season trail bike than a winter / snow bike. Just what the doctor ordered.

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    Based on the bigfootesque pics...I wonder if that will be the name. Bigfoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoogieMang View Post
    Hmmmm, what could it possibly be?
    7" tires with a jackshaft...

    Surly will stick with rigid and let Salsa do the FS thing.
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    The only idea I've seen that fits with the "they said it couldn't be done" comment is the very large tyres.

    Salsa are have working FS prototypes + there are belt driven and IGH bikes already around (in fact these are easier on fat bikes because the chain line is easy).

    What is supposedly impossible and fits with Surleys steel, bikes to be ridden a lot ethos?

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    "Some details starting next month"....
    Going back to sleep now. Wake me up when it's in production.

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    Looks like the wife will get my Hand-Me-Down Fatback, with tiny 26x4" wheels.

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    Surly really does enjoy putting the Fat Cat amongst the proverbial Plump Pigeons

    This will bring a whole new meaning to massive rubber
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    To big

    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    I waited and waited to buy a fatbike... Once they came out with Clownshoes and BFLarries, I decided there were not going to be fat 29ers, so I bought a Fatback.
    I will be VERY unhappy if that's a fat 29er.
    At some point, Good Sir, some one will put into production a bike, wheel, or tire that is to big or to wide or to heavy and we will all sit back and say yep they went to far. I to purchased a Fatback last year, mine has UMA III's on it. Any more wheel weight or bike weight would be to much for me. I will ask you one question. Where's your 36er?
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    I have 2 36er's 1 a 2 speed cruiser and a pneumatic 36" high wheel lol, and ride am29er most of the time until i got my fat tire

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    The wheels on the 26" fatbikes are already 29" high. 26" rims are approx 22" diameter and 29" rims approx 25" diameter.

    So when you say a 29" fatbike are yous meaning a 25" fat rim that will result in around a 33" wheel with 4" tyres ? Or 25" rim and lower profile tyres ?
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    At least it's green.

    I am seeing low pro 29x3 tires on some wide rims. Hopefully if it is that you can run 26x3.7 in the winter
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    Under the "They said it couldn't be done rule...

    Do FAT tubulars work?

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    my vote is something 650b based. they got right on the 29er deal with the KM....waiting for them to get on board....i bet this is going to be it, fat or not.

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    Shaft drive?
    2 wheel drive?

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    650b or 29er 3" would be a great `Sports fat` for regular xc trails
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    or one could sport said wheels and rubber on a current fatty
    Right then there better be some other hook to the frame.

    I do think Surly is positioning themselves as a cutting edge fat tire/rim maker not a frame maker.
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    a 29" rim with a 4" tire would be just ridiculous enough for Surly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenfin View Post
    At some point, Good Sir, some one will put into production a bike, wheel, or tire that is to big or to wide or to heavy and we will all sit back and say yep they went to far.
    I think you are grossly under estimating the market's propensity to buy whatever new crap gets built and pimped out. It doesn't matter if anyone needs it or if the existing products might suit most people better...it's new, it's shiny and it's bigger/badder/blinger! Buy! Buy! Buy!...



    Besides even if the new offering is too heavy and slow to roll anywhere effectively. There already is a solution available to sort out that problem. It's called a pickup truck with a bike rack. It will haul your ultra fatty anywhere you need it to go for that cool photo shoot or 2 mile extreme beach ride....

    I've got my LBS on alert to order me two as soon as they are available. I can't wait...
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    Whatever it is it doesn't make my Pug ride any less well so I will care about what it is when it comes out. I wouldn't knock Surly for lack of innovation- remember who made the first production fatbike.

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    It must be the 'Elementtor', the bike that’s 'on top' of all the elements ;-)
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    Those look like bigger than 29" wheels to me, but based no MikeC's involvement, an extra-meaty 29er is probably in the right ballpark.

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    I'm curious how a 29 x 3.0 will ride. The longer contact patch would be cool, but I wonder if it would actually be an advantage over a 26 x 4.7...
    Last edited by FTMN; 06-16-2012 at 10:00 PM.

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    Saw it. Rode it. Gonna buy it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skrnygphr View Post
    Saw it. Rode it. Gonna buy it!
    Care to elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit View Post
    ...29x3 tires on some wide rims...
    Bingo.
    Last edited by FTMN; 06-17-2012 at 07:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenfin View Post
    At some point, Good Sir, some one will put into production a bike, wheel, or tire that is to big or to wide or to heavy and we will all sit back and say yep they went to far. I to purchased a Fatback last year, mine has UMA III's on it. Any more wheel weight or bike weight would be to much for me. I will ask you one question. Where's your 36er?
    36er is in the works, albeit on the back burner. Got two kid's bikes, wife's bike and a downhill bike all in the works.
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    Nice find !!!
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