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    Quote Originally Posted by bigE View Post
    any word on frame sizes for this bad boy?

    A xxl 24 inch frame like the Ogre would be really cool...
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    I bear out 24 inch would be great very great

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    Any guess on how long until the Rabbit Hole rims are available separately?

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    Diggin' the sparkly green pain job and the 1.5" HT. Hopefully, it won't be too hard to find a 29er suspension fork that'll fit those bad boys.

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    'Buzzkill caution'

    Is this replacing the Karate Monkey? How short on clearance is a KM? Is the Krump BB lower? Please say you didn't make a super long fork...

    That said, I'm psyched about the rims and tires!

    *cough* 650b rabbit hole *cough*

    Edit.... And why a 1.5 in vs a 44mm HT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-reg View Post

    *cough* 650b rabbit hole *cough*
    Why? It would seem to me that the rabbit hole/knard effectively renders 650b pointless, at least for everyone that's over 5'-4" tall

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    Krampuses? Krampi?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoogieMang View Post


    Krampuses

    Wouldn't that be "Krampi" for plural? Or maybe it is like "deer", in which case Krampus would serve as both plural and singular. E.g., "I see five, no six, Krampus through the trees! They're huge and absolutely gorgeous! What has Surly been feeding these things?"

    Edit: Guitar Ted beat me to the question. My apologies for being (inadvertently) redundant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoogieMang View Post
    Why? It would seem to me that the rabbit hole/knard effectively renders 650b pointless, at least for everyone that's over 5'-4" tall
    Because I can't possibly see how the Hole-Knard combo will possibly render 650b pointless......and because wide 29 in rims have been out for a while.

    *Edit* both statements made with the full knowledge that they would be somewhat inflammatory in this thread. That said it's all good natured and bring it!

    Adding a log or two on the coming flames......you CAN'T buy anything 650b related at this time. It's all sold out, for a while. It ain't going away, at least not before this 29er crap dies out.

    And that my wager in this thread was on a fat 650b...and I was wrong, so suck it.

    Here's to the death of 26in wheels!

    Again....all in good fun, if you find yourself inflamed by my postings.... aat least have the dignity to imbibe a few more beers and get good and proper pissed prior to responding. I know I did.
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    Yes 29" wide rims have been here for a while, but not with offset/double drilling
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Feelygood ! View Post
    Yes 29" wide rims have been here for a while, but not with offset/double drilling
    Nor 3" Tires!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Feelygood ! View Post
    Yes 29" wide rims have been here for a while, but not with offset/double drilling
    indeed always a caveat

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-reg View Post

    Here's to the death of 26in wheels!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Feelygood ! View Post
    Yes 29" wide rims have been here for a while, but not with offset/double drilling
    I already admitted to being excited about the rim/tire I've been really impressed with every Surly branded rim that I've had the opportunity to fondle. And might find some use for rabbit holes if for no other reason than just because!

    Just saying that while filling random bike nerd niches...how about cutting the rim extrusion an inch shorter and starting to fill an untapped but rapidly expanding niche.












    That and Meeeeh! And that if there were some 650 tires bigger than 2.35 there would be lots of 29in frames that could be "husky" bikes. Meeeeh
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    Cheers!!
    Cheers indeed "J"

    These rando E-tough guy posts are directly your fault. You were right months ago about the name, and I was only kinda right about 29x3.....That and I've been quaffing quite a few homebrew EPA's that I need to let you sample before I take them all down. Ohhh, my pocket is vibrating....
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-reg View Post
    ..That and I've been quaffing quite a few homebrew EPA's that I need to let you sample before I take them all down.
    Damn right you do.

    I'm kinda torn about this Krampus stuff honestly. It's a gorgeous bike and I'm in serious lust with it, but I feel that the overlap in the Surly lineup may be the end of the Karate Monkey. For myself, and probably others, the KM was the gateway drug into the "alt" world of mountain bikes, and if this be the end/evolution of it, I have mixed emotions. I can't say I'm gonna look at my plain white Pugsley the same either. Mmmm sparkly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Train View Post
    I don't think so.
    I just checked.
    BB drop on Pugs is 2.2.
    BB drop on KM is 2.7
    Opposite of what you would think. Fat bike has less drop.
    I bet it will be closer to the 2.7 of the KM.
    I made measurements from a picture of the krampus- it looks to have a BB drop of right around 57mm (2.3") so very similar to the Pug.

    The tires measure right around 765mm diameter, so 25mm/1" larger diameter than a 26X3.8 larry (740mm) or 35mm larger diameter than a 29X2.1 tire (730mm). I would imagine that existing 26" fatbikes would not have much trouble with the larger diameter of the new 29x3 knard tire and rim if you wanted to try out this wheel size. Wonder what the actual tread width of the "3 inch" knard tire actually measures at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-reg View Post
    Because I can't possibly see how the Hole-Knard combo will possibly render 650b pointless......and because wide 29 in rims have been out for a while.

    *Edit* both statements made with the full knowledge that they would be somewhat inflammatory in this thread. That said it's all good natured and bring it!

    Adding a log or two on the coming flames......you CAN'T buy anything 650b related at this time. It's all sold out, for a while. It ain't going away, at least not before this 29er crap dies out.

    And that my wager in this thread was on a fat 650b...and I was wrong, so suck it.

    ]Here's to the death of 26in wheels!

    Again....all in good fun, if you find yourself inflamed by my postings.... aat least have the dignity to imbibe a few more beers and get good and proper pissed prior to responding. I know I did.
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    I'm waiting for the full fat 29+ with 4" tires when Surly unveils the bigger badder Hippo-Krampus next year...
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    Jones riders: this tire rim combo is going to be great on the front of our bikes. The rim should fit the rear, but I don't think the 3.0 tire is going to fit out back. Jeff J. uses the Ardent on a 50mm rim out back.

    So is this Krampus a fat bike or a 29er? If it's a 29er, this thread is in the wrong forum. Moderator, please move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I'm waiting for the full fat 29+ with 4" tires when Surly unveils the bigger badder Hippo-Krampus next year...
    This. Krampus looks cool but doesn't go far enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    So is this Krampus a fat bike or a 29er? If it's a 29er, this thread is in the wrong forum. Moderator, please move.
    It's a Chubb - we need a new forum!...
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    Was looking at my single speed frameset hanging in my shop tonight
    It has a carbon niner fork measuring 3.35 inches wide at the narrowest point
    might have to put it back together :-)

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    29" is the new 26", get used to it

    I'm putting one of them l Knards on my Oregon, sweet tall tire fatness!

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    They'd fit on my Moonlander, but then I wouldn't have an excuse for why I'm so painfully slow.

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    Im confused now, but I know I like the bike

    would these rims fit into like a 907 frame then, build them up offset rear, standard front, and run these tyres ?

    Can you already get 29 er tyres like semi slick(edit found nig apples 2.35 in 29er ?), cos a set of rabbit rims with slicks would make a great fast road set up on my 907, and be quite light too I think

    the paint looks great, this paint and the moonies is the nuts, makes the pugs look pretty basic

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I'm waiting for the full fat 29+ with 4" tires when Surly unveils the bigger badder Hippo-Krampus next year...
    THAT is a great (&funny) name Vik
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Krampuses? Krampi?
    Question:

    Look at the bike all the way on the left.........what's with the cutouts? Is that a 29" version of a lightweight fatrim? Was this a mod or a different offerings of the "rabbit hole."
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    Actually, I think I could like that kind of tires on a rigid 26er bike. They'd quite likely fit my fork but there aren't many 26er frames with that much clearance.

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    oh for the love of...
    why no ultimate dropouts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GFisher2001 View Post
    Question:

    Look at the bike all the way on the left.........what's with the cutouts? Is that a 29" version of a lightweight fatrim? Was this a mod or a different offerings of the "rabbit hole."
    The rabbit hole on the Surly blog has cutouts... get it, rabbit hole?

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    Quote Originally Posted by byknuts View Post
    oh for the love of...
    why no ultimate dropouts?
    totally agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post

    So is this Krampus a fat bike or a 29er? If it's a 29er, this thread is in the wrong forum. Moderator, please move.
    Are you missunderstanding the reason behind Surly posting this breaking news on this
    forum? True, at first thought it would seem that the 29er forum would be a better place.
    So why here?

    Could it not be said that over not only the 29er forum, but out of all, we rate #1 in the
    mind of Surly? It is an honor rendered!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sand Rat View Post
    Are you missunderstanding the reason behind Surly posting this breaking news on this
    forum? True, at first thought it would seem that the 29er forum would be a better place.
    So why here?

    Could it not be said that over not only the 29er forum, but out of all, we rate #1 in the
    mind of Surly? It is an honor rendered!
    and earned

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    It's the type of 29er I always wanted.

    And a 3" tyre on a 700c rim is fat

    I wonder if it will fit in my TD-1? (I'm 14,000km away from it, so I can't measure)
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    Surly, you are going to sell boatloads of these things, and even more rims and tires for custom builds... please make sure you order enough from your suppliers so we are not waiting till 2014! Thank you! Salsa what do you have up your sleeve? A Ti version would be awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sand Rat View Post
    Are you missunderstanding the reason behind Surly posting this breaking news on this
    forum? True, at first thought it would seem that the 29er forum would be a better place.
    So why here?

    Could it not be said that over not only the 29er forum, but out of all, we rate #1 in the
    mind of Surly? It is an honor rendered!
    Yeah and selling the idea to the fat crowd will be much easier than selling it to the skinny 29er crowd. The skinnys won't get it.

    I can't get my riding buddy to even try wider rims, let alone wider tires. Despite the fact that he bends rims and rolls tires all the time and has to run extra high pressure to compensate. Some people are thick. Some are fat

    I just checked over there and there is a new thread and some positive posting going on. Converts? I guess it's not like a 3" tire is actually fat. Just fatter.
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    Quite like the look of the krampus, will be ideal for general offroading and xc work wonder if they are releasing complete builds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by saltyman View Post
    Quite like the look of the krampus, will be ideal for general offroading and xc work wonder if they are releasing complete builds?
    My guess is yes. All of the "hints" to date reference a "bike", and most of Surly's other offerings come that way. Only the Trucker Deluxe and 1x1 are sold as frame only.

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    I'd love to try one of these, but I'm not optimistic that it solves anything for me. For one, I really love almost everything about my current fatbike. The last remaining issue is the weight, which I doubt will be fixed by this bike. Also, I expect that the "suspension effect" will not come close to what a fatbike delivers. Don't know what the tire pressures will be - high teens/low 20s? And to be perfectly shallow about it, it just doesn't have that fatbike look. Need more info. And a test ride!

    Thank You.

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    I'm interested for sure - was holding out for On One's fatbike to be my first full fatty, but now I am torn!

    Anyone catch wind or care to speculate on complete bike MSRP?

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    Any closeup pictures of the chainstay yoke?

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    Looks pretty tight on this pic...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sand Rat View Post
    Are you missunderstanding the reason behind Surly posting this breaking news on this
    forum? True, at first thought it would seem that the 29er forum would be a better place.
    So why here?

    Could it not be said that over not only the 29er forum, but out of all, we rate #1 in the
    mind of Surly? It is an honor rendered!
    Nope, not misunderstanding. Just being sarcastic. Should have used an emoticon, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~ View Post

    Boom!
    There is much room between the tire and the seatstay - so the chainstay must be relatively long. So the Krampus should not be very manoeuvrable like the Karate Monkey. But the 3.0" Knard tire should fit into a Karate Monkey fork

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    Anyone know the stand over height and other specs? With 29 inch rims, those tires are going to put you up higher than a normal 29er.

    Wonder what Salsa is up too as Salsa/Surly are sister companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerBergschreck View Post
    But the 3.0" Knard tire should fit into a Karate Monkey fork
    better yet a full squishy 29er fork

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    I wonder how it would set up tubeless. Easier than a regular fatbike tire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethany1 View Post
    Anyone know the stand over height and other specs? With 29 inch rims, those tires are going to put you up higher than a normal 29er.

    Wonder what Salsa is up too as Salsa/Surly are sister companies.
    BB drop is nearly identical to a pugsley so expect seat to be riding about 1/2" higher (due to extra radius of the tire/wheel).

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    Quote Originally Posted by trumpus View Post
    I'm interested for sure - was holding out for On One's fatbike to be my first full fatty, but now I am torn!

    Anyone catch wind or care to speculate on complete bike MSRP?
    Somewhere between the Pugs and the Necro's MSRP...
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Somewhere between the Pugs and the Necro's MSRP...

    Other than a bit of extra tire clearance, the frame is much more like a conventional (non-fat) MTB without all the fat specifc parts that drive up the cost on a fatbike. Standard MTB width crankset/BB, standard MTB hubs, non-offset frame & fork, missing front dérailleur and missing front shifter should all help to keep cost for this bike a bit lower than a pugsley with similar component level. The 29x3 tires probably cost as much as fat 26" tires but the narrower rims are probably easier/cheaper to produce than wider 26" rims.

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