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    Yep... Mog-bike!

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    I am taking full credit for this concept. But am very grateful someone is crazy enough to make it happen :-)

    GO SURLY!!!

    820g, 699g (must be a joke, so specific) rim, how about fat 29"er being too heavy?

    Please do tell if it's fit a first generation Pugsley, not that it's been sortof made a pre-fatty? Long crank or tall BB fans will find that interesting to know. The difference will only be 14mm compared to 26x3.7" according to a rough calc I made, taking tire widths as heights.

    Now, I suppose I need to find a 440-450mm fork that will clear this tire and start semi-fatting bikes I've got laying around :-)
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    Well crap, time to buy a new bike. Wonder what the damage on this one will be? Can't wait!

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    The rims are drilled for spokes on both sides, so I assume that they could be built up offset for use on a Pugsley?

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    Obvious question is which other frames can hold this rim and tire combo too. Thinking summer tire set for a Mukluk...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Toobs View Post
    When the Krampus finds a particularly naughty child, it stuffs the child in its sack and carries the frightened child away to its lair, presumably to devour for its Christmas dinner.
    I think I saw him in this movie:

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    If I buy a Krampus, can I transfer my Enabler fork and BFL/Darryl combo over? Seems like the BFL would have a similar diameter to a 29+

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScaryJerry View Post
    If I buy a Krampus, can I transfer my Enabler fork and BFL/Darryl combo over? Seems like the BFL would have a similar diameter to a 29+
    That would be awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    Obvious question is which other frames can hold this rim and tire combo too. Thinking summer tire set for a Mukluk...

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    Would love those tires on my Mukluk as well. I just bought my Mukluk this spring so I'll just have to wait it out for a new bike. Sigh.

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    There’s nothing more desirable than what you don’t have…needless to say I don’t have this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I guess we need a new category - how about a Chubby or Chubbike?....
    I like Plump.

    Plumpbike.

    Honey, I'm going Plumping with the guys tonight.

    Plump that bike man, plump it.....

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    The more I look at this and ponder, the more I want one.

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    this is bad very bad. new 29+ or a pug for the next bike
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    That will be the big question now... will the Rabbit Hole/Knard fit some of the existing FB's out there? Will also be cool to see what some of the other builders come up with for this new format.

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    Been getting half way serious about building a full fat, dedicated SS as a summer companion for the Muk, now...sheeet. I haven't even looked closely, but assuming it'll have SS capability?

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    Those look like KM dropouts

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    Rabbit Holes are double drilled sooooo... should be doable on a Pug as well with an offset build

    Plenty of room for the 'Knards too
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    Those look like KM dropouts
    Horizontal then, eh? Good to go on SS... So would we be talking about spring '13 then do you reckon? Might have to start beating kids up for their lunch money.

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    Indeed it swap out nicely for a BFL, diameter wise. Bit less sag, much more side clearance, obviously.

    Interesting will be to plot when and where each works best. I am expecting that a high-intensity ride will favor the 29+, where an all day crawl type effort will favor the BFL. Some rides may even favor a BFL/29+ combo, front/rear placement also a factor.

    Please, let this first tire work well for snow racing, and fit decently on 35mm rims for firmer surfaces!

    Another thing.
    If you have an early 29"er, the kind with a 72º head tube angle... Stick the 29+ on the front (your front rim may even already be a wide one), and get a bit of a raking out effect. You can consider also consider a slightly shorter fork, or one with extra offset (I like the latter option).

    And all those 29"ers with fat fronts...they can upgrade to what they really wanted now. Just not in the back, those who committed to a fat lifestyle with a accomodating frame can reach those fruits.

    The weight is SO un-fat... A Big Apple tire weighs 1000g in steel bead. My WW2.55 (2.4 would be a better name) was not much under 820g. Several tires have come in over 850g and more and it was never a real issue. A 29+ rim AND tire, at the weight of a current fat tire.
    I see 29+ as a more up-tempo variety for large volume tire riding. Much less of a weight penalty, zero really for those that were already into trying to get the widest possible footprint with 29".

    And with dialed geometry, there is no reason why a rigid 29+ bike could not could as 29" hardtail for shaved legs style riding/racing. All the bike has is a slightly wider rear triangle, possibly more CSL (unless designed away). Like a DualSports bike compared to a regular hybrid. Fitting fatties never hurt it in any way, yet it was rarely done. As if there is a preferred maximum nominal tire clearance, not a minimal one with bigger it better clause.
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    Good job Surly!!

    I'm more interested in those tires fitting on my WFO, had a endo just barely not fit on a 38mm rim with the 150mm rear end. Should be close.

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    I'll bet you that it won't fit on a WFO. But I'm just guessing of course. Dissent is about 29.5" diameter and these are supposed to be 30 to 31, plus the width.
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    Any chance of those wheels fitting on my Fatback? Rim/Tire combo of course... not the hubs.

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    This is going to be fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I know what it is--been riding it a month now.

    And I ain't sayin'.

    Piped in here to comment on your use of "Salsa" and "tech heavy" in the same sentence.

    Bwaaahaahaaa! Good one!
    My first thought on seeing this was "I would love to hear what mikesee thinks about this bike, given his "biggest 29er wheels possible" philosophy." How soon until you've got a custom Moots full suspension running these bad boys?

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    Boom!
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    Ok, I will be interested to see if it fits a Mukluk. It could be an interesting wheel/tire set for the summer. The Mukluk even has a low bottom bracket that should work well with these.

    And the weight is definitely interesting and non-fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Keep an eye on the difference in BB height's between the Chuby wheels + rubber and normal 29er wheels + rubber. If it's too much the BB will be way low on normal 29ers and not terribly useful.
    I don't think so.
    I just checked.
    BB drop on Pugs is 2.2.
    BB drop on KM is 2.7
    Opposite of what you would think. Fat bike has less drop.
    I bet it will be closer to the 2.7 of the KM.

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    Bravo Surly, bravo.
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    can't wait to see in Mendon can fit this rim and tire combo on the new lefty

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    P.S. Mendon if you can get someone to make a eccentric 1.25 steerer adapter you can gain 5mm of clearance ;-)
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    Wow. Exactly what I want. Bravo Surly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerJoe View Post
    can't wait to see in Mendon can fit this rim and tire combo on the new lefty

    Sj

    P.S. Mendon if you can get someone to make a eccentric 1.25 steerer adapter you can gain 5mm of clearance ;-)
    Now you are just being mean. That'd be quite something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ward View Post
    That will be the big question now... will the Rabbit Hole/Knard fit some of the existing FB's out there? Will also be cool to see what some of the other builders come up with for this new format.
    I know one it will definitely fit!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob@Surly View Post
    We decided that since this was the first place to speculate about one of our new bikes we’d do a bit of a release right here and now in this thread. This is official and this is the first place we, Surly, are talking about this publicly.

    Our new bike is called Krampus.
    It’s the first bike for a platform we’ve created called 29+ (important little detail there).
    It’s a 29er. Brilliant, you get a gold star.
    It’s got clearance for up to a 3” tire.
    It get’s this done with a 73mm BB.

    I’m guessing that you’d like to know more and I bet you’d like to see some pictures. All in good time my friend.

    You’ve entertained us rather well and we’ve paid attention. We read the forums and the blogs wherever we’re mentioned. Now let’s see if you’re paying attention.
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    A couple more close-ups of the Krampus here: cycling | Tumblr

    Love the Metallic Green!

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    Now they're here as well.
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    any word on frame sizes for this bad boy?

    A xxl 24 inch frame like the Ogre would be really cool...
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    Am I seeing Monkey Nuts instaled? Wonder why do they need them with no FD. Wheel base tweaking? Optimal axel-RD position? Pre production frame with clearance issues?

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    probably to allow you to run a smaller 29er tire with a shorter chainstay length.

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    MASSIVE !!!

    But Krampus is what I get if I cycle too much

    As for the 'Knard.......Looks awesome
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    So Surly's taking a page from Apple's playbook.

    Manufacture a niche and fill it.
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    Chain clearance on the back tire - not seeing much daylight there with the 73mm shell - hence the single ring up front? I have to assume Surly has thought that out.....or just use MWODs?
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    1.5 head tube is awesome. more steel bikes need to move to this size. it has the most versatility. wonder if they changed any of the other models to use it as well.

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    Surly, do need a girl to test ride your bad boy just to make sure it's perfect? *hint hint*

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    For those with Mukluks..

    My titanium Muk with Stan's Flow rims and 2.25" On One Smorgasbord tires has 8mm of clearance between the top of the tire and the seat stay bridge.

    I'm doubtful a Knard/Rabbit Hole combo would fit in there.
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    This is my Carver with Flows and an Ardent 2.4 - I'm hoping 2 things - 1. the Knard will fit on the Flows and, 2. the combo will fit on the frame - looks like there might be room in back - up front on the Minute 29 - not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jddjirikian View Post
    So Surly's taking a page from Apple's playbook.

    Manufacture a niche and fill it.
    and likely fill it to the extent it becomes mainstream just like fatbikes.

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    Oh boy another bike I want! No wait I NEED!!!

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