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    Quote Originally Posted by Saw View Post
    Nice! From this angle your tire looks like a factory tire. Actually, it would be easy to mistake it for the Surly.

    How do you like it? How does it perform compared to a normal 29" tire and a fat tire? How has your tire held up to abuse?
    Fist note: it's a unicycle so might not translate to bike

    Compared to a regular 29" tire on the same rim, well it's fatter. I think we all know what goes with that.

    Compared to my other fat wheel (Devast8er 26x4 on 80mm rim) it seems to have less drag in the snow but slightly less float. It's more recoverable when it punches through the crust but can be a bit unwieldy when going slower.

    It hasn't seen all that much use, maybe 200km, mostly snow. No noticeable wear.

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    Great respect for your handycraft effort Eric, I wish you'd be on the scene doing this in the 70's and 80's. 29" would have been here much longer, 32" already well available.
    Looking forward to update on your experiments with Fat donor tires sewn to a 36" and especially 32" diameter rim!
    Darn, I wish you were a bike rather than a unicyclist :-)

    As I wrote in another thread. If this Surly deal is to be 29x3.0 or so, not a larger rim still (doesn't look like it to me, but would love to be wrong), I would think it would fit decently in a Pugsley and well in a Moonlander. There's some good vertical room in the back as I seem to remember. the 700c rim add just 31.5mm in wheel radius (which counts for vertical clearance) and with a FatOnDiet tire, it'd be under an inch. And of course less confining at the stays. Should be a good deal especially to those liking tall BB, whether or not to be able to use longer than standard cranks.

    Any new details on the rumor on topic?

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    Surly posted a pic of the new bike on twitter, looks pretty insane.
    Twitter / surlybikes: Our new prototype bike. Ju

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR2ebike View Post
    Surly posted a pic of the new bike on twitter, looks pretty insane.
    Twitter / surlybikes: Our new prototype bike. Ju
    That was posted back on page 2 of the thread. The good pics are on page 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markus_mudd View Post
    I was hoping the Big Dummy and Pugsley had finally inbred.
    I'd buy that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    I'd buy that
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    Some pics of my DH 29er wheels.

    Cris Holm FR rims w/ 2.5 Dissents vs P35 rims w/ 2.4 Ardents

    The Holm/Diss are really stout but really heavy. The bike is still under construction so I haven't been able to try them out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodi2259 View Post
    Thanks google



    I noticed one of those spy photos has a comment on it now that says, "To all the nonbelievers: it said "Surly" and "29 x 3.0" on the side wall."

    That chain stay yoke is interesting. Looks like it has room for an even taller wheel.

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    Taller yes, but not with much side clearance.
    That said, it would would fine with a "regular" 32x2.5" tire. Oohh....

    Could the mold to make a 29x3.0 be big enough to also make a 32x2.5" which we (I for one) want just as badly, albeit for entirely differently reasons?

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    How much differance will a 29x3" be compared to a 29x2.55" which is possible this now on a Karate Monkey?, not that much i imagine, must be more to this new bike?

    Starting to think that Surly are making that many bikes the way forward for someone buying there first fatbike is buy a 170mm inline fatbike that can take 100mm rims with BFLs then they can just add wheel sets of what ever tyre/rim width they want/require...
    170 hubs are not the cheapest but one bike with even 3 wheel sets is still way cheaper than 3 bikes...

    Looking forward to seeing this new bike anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by coastkid71 View Post
    How much differance will a 29x3" be compared to a 29x2.55" which is possible this now on a Karate Monkey?, not that much i imagine, must be more to this new bike?
    The difference between a 26 x 2.6 Nokian Gazzaloddi and a 26 x 3.0 Gazzaloddi is huge. ~10mm in width and casing height.
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    I for one, being approximately of Hobbit height, would prefer to see a couple of 26x3.0 or so summer specific tires that would compliment LM-lites...though I gotta admit, 29x3.0 might be fun too...guess it would depend upon how tite-n-twisty the trail du jour might be...
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    That proto looks like it was made for a hobbit...

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    I'll be interested to see how this pans out. I've got a couple of 47mm wide 29er rims sitting around doing nothing at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    I'll be interested to see how this pans out. I've got a couple of 47mm wide 29er rims sitting around doing nothing at the moment.
    Yep !

    Paying Holm-age to Chris may be a relatively cheap way of experiencing Surly's new 29er rubber before buying their (usually) rather expensive rims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTMN View Post
    That proto looks like it was made for a hobbit...
    Surly has a new super-small 14" frame size, could this be it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by damnitman View Post
    I for one, being approximately of Hobbit height, would prefer to see a couple of 26x3.0 or so summer specific tires that would compliment LM-lites...though I gotta admit, 29x3.0 might be fun too...guess it would depend upon how tite-n-twisty the trail du jour might be...
    I'm 6'2" but same here, I want some Skinny Larrys or whatever for Large Marge Lites. Whatever is the biggest tire will fit into a 1x1/Troll frame...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Feelygood ! View Post
    Yep !

    Paying Holm-age to Chris may be a relatively cheap way of experiencing Surly's new 29er rubber before buying their (usually) rather expensive rims.
    I don't know about cheap. I was only able to find his rims at one vendor in the US and with the ridiculous shipping charge it was about $115 per rim. I don't think Surly charges more than that do they? I think the weight on them was 895g too which is pretty high.

    The rims are drilled but I've thought that possibly I could cut out the inner wall and still leave the double wall at the bead. However I'm not sure it would take that much weight out and would take a lot of strength away. So.. alternatives would be good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by damnitman View Post
    I for one, being approximately of Hobbit height, would prefer to see a couple of 26x3.0 or so summer specific tires that would compliment LM-lites...though I gotta admit, 29x3.0 might be fun too...guess it would depend upon how tite-n-twisty the trail du jour might be...
    Get a set of BOA-G tires from 3gbikes, they 26"x3.0".

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    My KH rims were 56 each here in the UK, the weight i do not notice while riding as the bike (Karate Monkey) still rolls way quicker than both my fat bikes...


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    I am more interested in strenght than weight, the wheels allow me to ride with full suss bikes and these rims take a beasting
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    For Europeans looking for cheap Kris Holm rims :
    Municycle.com - Unicycle.com Germany - Felge - 622mm (28 Zoll) Cross Kris Holm 36 Loch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Feelygood ! View Post
    Thanks, but that is where I bought them.

    My invoice doesn't have numbers on it but I think shipping was $40 for 2 rims.
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    unrelated to the bike in quesiton, but it's a new surly fatbike related question.
    when will the pugs get the troll's dropouts?
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    I was about to make the exact same question about the dropouts. The Ogre/Troll dropouts are a success, and seem to fit a fatbike's purpose much better than the current ones

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    We decided that since this was the first place to speculate about one of our new bikes wed do a bit of a release right here and now in this thread. This is official and this is the first place we, Surly, are talking about this publicly.

    Our new bike is called Krampus.
    Its the first bike for a platform weve created called 29+ (important little detail there).
    Its a 29er. Brilliant, you get a gold star.
    Its got clearance for up to a 3 tire.
    It gets this done with a 73mm BB.

    Im guessing that youd like to know more and I bet youd like to see some pictures. All in good time my friend.

    Youve entertained us rather well and weve paid attention. We read the forums and the blogs wherever were mentioned. Now lets see if youre paying attention.
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    Sweet !!!
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    [QUOTE=Bob@Surly;9517371

    Im guessing that youd like to know more and I bet youd like to see some pictures. All in good time my friend.[/QUOTE]

    Sounds like what I have been waiting for... when is "all in good time" going to be!

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    nice sleuthing all! the pics of this thing parked near my LBS had me all atwitter.

    29+ eh? is there a new wheel standard we should know about? room for a 32? heard walmart had such a beast.

    i want to see the rims and tire offerings. wonder if the rims at least could be put on a KM?

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    Can't wait for pics! Nice name -

    Krampus is a mythical creature recognized in Alpine countries. According to legend, Krampus accompanies Saint Nicholas during the Christmas season, warning and punishing bad children, in contrast to St. Nicholas, who gives gifts to good children. When the Krampus finds a particularly naughty child, it stuffs the child in its sack and carries the frightened child away to its lair, presumably to devour for its Christmas dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twins Guyo17 View Post
    new wheel standard
    heh, standard.

    Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

    Excited to see pics! Coming from a guy who is interested in 36ers but probably too short for one to be, uh, practical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob@Surly View Post
    Our new bike is called Krampus.
    Its the first bike for a platform weve created called 29+ (important little detail there).
    Its a 29er. Brilliant, you get a gold star.
    Its got clearance for up to a 3 tire.
    3" tires is too skinny for a fat bike. I guess we need a new category - how about a Chubby or Chubbike?....
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    I bet it all comes out tomorrow at the Saddledrive expo...oh boy! hope it has normal hub spacing....for running standard 29er wheels as well as whatever 29+ is...

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    Just hope I don't like this Krampus better than the Ogre I just bought

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Train View Post
    I bet it all comes out tomorrow at the Saddledrive expo...oh boy! hope it has normal hub spacing....for running standard 29er wheels as well as whatever 29+ is...
    Keep an eye on the difference in BB height's between the Chuby wheels + rubber and normal 29er wheels + rubber. If it's too much the BB will be way low on normal 29ers and not terribly useful.
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    There is a lot attention for this thread :

    Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 566 (52 members and 514 guests)


    And i am starting to have doubt about finishing the build of my KM....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    Just hope I don't like this Krampus better than the Ogre I just bought
    I thought the same thing when I heard the words, "Surly is coming up with a new bike!" just 2 weeks after I bought my Ogre...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob@Surly View Post
    Now lets see if youre paying attention.
    Yer from Surly, huh? Forgive my skepticism, but prove it, Mr. 1 post with no rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MauricioB View Post
    Yer from Surly, huh? Forgive my skepticism, but prove it, Mr. 1 post with no rep.
    Surly has linked this thread on their main-page via twitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    "A mythical beast is being ridden" . Sounds like a new bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MauricioB View Post
    Yer from Surly, huh? Forgive my skepticism, but prove it, Mr. 1 post with no rep.
    Call the phone number on Surly's website and see who answers the phone.

    In case you're too lazy to find it: 877.743.3191
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    Groovy! 3" for 29 "plus"... increased contact patch, floatation, "rollability" by adjusting things longidude wise rather than latitude wise. I get it! Can't wait to ride one! Could be real cool for bike packing, especially for those carrying a little heavier/bulkier load. Sounds like the Unimog of bikes to me. Unimogs touch the ground- and roll over it- in a much different manner than most other 4x4 trucks-and all while getting twice (or more) the gas milage of comparable trucks, having a bigger bed, and taking up less "real estate" (and have done so since the '50's). Sorry for drawing similaritys to a motor vehicle, I just see similar thinking in design. Unimogs(particularly the old military versions) use a high floatation tire/rim that appears more like a skinny, not so high floatation set-up. It's done by increasing the diamiter and keeping the rim as wide as (or a little wider) than the tread. I used to have a Mog and it's an amazing affect. My '62 Mog could cruise down the rockyest roads and you'd hardly feel a bump in the seat... totally stock w/ military tires. Trully amazing! If you've driven or ridden in a Mog, you know what I'm talking about. Got a feelin' that's sort of what we're headed for w/ this new "twist"... the "Krampus".... a "Mog-Bike"!

    My Mog (can't see it but there's a Klein w/ Snow-Cats in the back)...
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    its all true. Really it is. I've not SEEN it, but conversed with secretively high level Surly employs, and all those details were confirmed. I was even promised a ride on one. maybe. if he ever gets one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chubbyone View Post
    Surly has linked this thread on their main-page via twitter.
    and what of facebook?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    There is a lot attention for this thread :

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    And i am starting to have doubt about finishing the build of my KM....
    I've had a KM sitting on my bench un-built for a couple years now due to these dang, constant new developements. I'ts going to have to keep waiting and now seems destined for a monster cross project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ward View Post
    I've had a KM sitting on my bench un-built for a couple years now due to these dang, constant new developements. I'ts going to have to keep waiting and now seems destined for a monster cross project.
    With a 73mm BB and a 29er base on the Krampus, i might put my KM on hold for a while as well.
    I already got all the parts and there is a set of P-35's coming my way as well.
    So if all i need is a set of 29+ tires, my monkey will probably end up being a spare frame.

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    From the Surly blog :
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob@Surly View Post
    Call the phone number on Surly's website and see who answers the phone.

    In case you're too lazy to find it: 877.743.3191
    Yup, I called and he is who he sez he is. As I told him on the phone, I applaud Surly for taking chances on this freaky stuff.

    So there you go.

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    Ufff... no super dropouts or ultimate braze ons. My Ogre is safe again

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    Not going to lie, I'll be on this like flies on ****. I ride fat year round because even current 29er offerings are too light and unforgiving to me. Heavy, fast rolling and sort-of fat? Yes please.

    The antonym to Weight Weenie, I suggest this genre be called Weight Warrior.
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