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    Perfect! Kind of looks like the Fisher Fat Trak on steroids...

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    Ive done a bit of rough calcs and if thats a 160mm front rotor, it looks to be a 650B size rim with an ERD of approx 575mm.

    Very interesting.
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    Looks like a contender. Good work.
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    Been thinking on this, hoping it's not 650B, but that's just my own thing.

    What I am getting to though is a very well executed world domination strategy. Surly builds a tire, that is just fat enough to barely fit in their mtb frames so it's very useable by any Ogre, KM etc owner.

    Also allows use of fatter than currently available tires for all the other 29ers out there, and introduces all buyers to a pseudo/quasi fat bike experience, which they are sure to want more of, and why yes, we do offer fatter tires and bikes, step right on into my parlor....
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    I can see it being a very popular inbetween bike, best of both worlds, traction, roll over anything and handling!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Been thinking on this, hoping it's not 650B, but that's just my own thing.

    What I am getting to though is a very well executed world domination strategy. Surly builds a tire, that is just fat enough to barely fit in their mtb frames so it's very useable by any Ogre, KM etc owner.

    Also allows use of fatter than currently available tires for all the other 29ers out there, and introduces all buyers to a pseudo/quasi fat bike experience, which they are sure to want more of, and why yes, we do offer fatter tires and bikes, step right on into my parlor....
    I know what you are saying, if this is a regular 29er rim and the fattest 29er tyre its game changing
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    I would be very surprised if it was 650B... Description under one of those pictures when I found it was "Surly 3 x 29 fat tire" I have no idea who posted the pictures though so who knows if he knows anything. Look to be "spy" shots taken by someone who happened to find the bike locked to a bike rack on the street.

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    Holy Crap!! I am SO on board with this.
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    And to think that 3 weeks ago i bought a Karate Monkey frameset...

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    Very cool find. A 32"er then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Very cool find. A 32"er then?
    If it fits a 29er, its an approx 25" rim + probably 6" of tyre if its 3" and would be around 31" definately. Approx 30" if its 650B.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodi2259 View Post
    I would be very surprised if it was 650B... Description under one of those pictures when I found it was "Surly 3 x 29 fat tire" ...
    On the other hand a 650B rim is 584mm diameter, add a 75mm tyre and overall it is roughly 734mm.

    A fatbike rim is 559mm, add a 100mm tyre and you get 759mm

    A 29er rim is 622, add a 60mm tyre and you get 744mm (or 50mm tyre and 722mm)

    So there is not much difference between the 3 variations, and a 80mm tyre on a 650B would give almost exactly a 29er with a 60mm tyre.

    (Yes I know actual measurement on the rims does vary, but this is rule of thumb stuff)
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    The frame/fork appears to be suspension corrected. If that wheel/tire will fit in a 29er suspension fork, I'm all over it... In fact, I'm wondering if that's part of their strategy

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    that bike looks @#$%ing awesome! ack! was going to buy a KM this year, but now.....!?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    On the other hand a 650B rim is 584mm diameter, add a 75mm tyre and overall it is roughly 734mm.

    A fatbike rim is 559mm, add a 100mm tyre and you get 759mm

    A 29er rim is 622, add a 60mm tyre and you get 744mm (or 50mm tyre and 722mm)

    So there is not much difference between the 3 variations, and a 80mm tyre on a 650B would give almost exactly a 29er with a 60mm tyre.

    (Yes I know actual measurement on the rims does vary, but this is rule of thumb stuff)
    Good point it said 29er not 700c. I was thinking 29er in that the rim would have the same BSD as 29er (700c) rims but that would make it more like a 31er or something.

    I'm still leaning towards it mounting to a wide 700c rim since they call the current fatbike tires "26x3.7" and they are actually 29er sized. And I think that agrees more with the they said it couldn't be done quotes.
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    Could it be 700 D?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shoo View Post
    Could it be 700 D?
    AFAIK, 700d died a long time ago in GT's hands. My 700d tandem is wearing 650b tires, direct fit.

    Looks 700c (29er) sized to my eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodi2259 View Post
    Thanks google
    Great work...

    Now we need to come up withe the name! It's bigger than an Ogre, but smaller than a Moonlander...
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    Quote Originally Posted by shoo View Post
    Could it be 700 D?
    WINNAR!

    Yes, please bring back yet another obsolete wheel size, think I have a teal GT 1" 700D fork floating around somewhere, they can have it if it assists them in any way.

    I also like BoogieMan's direction, Surly suspension forks, now there's an awesome oxymoron
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    WINNAR!
    I also like BoogieMan's direction, Surly suspension forks, now there's an awesome oxymoron
    Not expecting a suspension fork from Surly, just a bike that I could throw a suspension fork on without messing up the geometry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Great work...

    Now we need to come up withe the name! It's bigger than an Ogre, but smaller than a Moonlander...
    I'm thinking Sasquatch

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    OK, wet blanket time.

    Considering that (generally speaking) 29er wheels are already heavier than 26" wheels and 29er tires are heavier than 26" tires, what, exactly is the advantage here?

    If what Surly's come up with is a set of mid-fat 29er rims and a 3" tire that fit on their regular 29er bikes, great. Otherwise, meh.

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    How wide are the Kris Holm 29er rims, around 50mm already? So these are wider. The holm rims are pretty tank like, so are we talking about a 1000g rim here? Seems like we're headed back to tractor handling if this is the case, which was the big issue with early 29ers. Heavy wheels are no bueno.

    Interested to see regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plum View Post
    How wide are the Kris Holm 29er rims, around 50mm already? So these are wider. The holm rims are pretty tank like, so are we talking about a 1000g rim here? Seems like we're headed back to tractor handling if this is the case, which was the big issue with early 29ers. Heavy wheels are no bueno.

    Interested to see regardless.

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    I can't see a fat 29er with wide rims having light wheels. I don't generally equate Surly and light...
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    Honestly, I'd rather see more development in lighter cranks, bottom brackets, rims and tires for what we've already got.

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    Im with you Buck, thats why im crunching numbers !

    I ride only 29ers and have done for a long time, i have a 7.8kg 29er singlespeed with ENVE wheels, its about as light as they get, i love my big wheels but theres a line in the sand between fun and fast.

    The fatty wheels measure the same as my 29's but we are already swinging big numbers with tyre and rim weight at 26" rims.... im interested and intrigued but cant see a use in my neck of the woods.

    I can already go fast on what i have, my fat bike is about fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoogieMang View Post
    I'm thinking Sasquatch
    I like it....
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Great work...

    Now we need to come up withe the name! It's bigger than an Ogre, but smaller than a Moonlander...
    If they had offspring Oglander

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    Ive done a bit of rough calcs and if thats a 160mm front rotor, it looks to be a 650B size rim with an ERD of approx 575mm.

    Very interesting.
    And if you assume the rotor is 180mm, the rim is ~26" rim outer diameter and the tire is ~32" outer diameter.

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    I dont think many people are aware of ACTUAL rim size, a 26 wheel rim is only 22 inches in diameter, a 29" wheel rim is 25" diameter.

    The fat wheel world writes a different script, our 26" wheels are already the same size as a 29" Tyre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoogieMang View Post
    Not expecting a suspension fork from Surly.
    But if they did one, it would have to be like this....
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    I was thinking that was a 26 in wheel with the 3 inch tire we all were beggin' for. Set up on a 29er frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoogieMang View Post
    I'm thinking Sasquatch
    Latest hint on Surly's FB page:
    "Looks like we may have created a monster"

    So yeah, maybe Saquatch, Bigfoot, or Frankenstein (hence that shade of green).

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    I vote...Swamp Thing!!!

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    Hmmm, seems like Speedway brought a wheel around years ago for this semi fat 29er market. The 29er UMA 50mm wheel? Widest you could get a current 29er tire was 2.5" wide...I know this wheel has died off but maybe it will come back again with all this new buzz? I dabbled in the semi fat 29er world with 29er SnowCat 44mm wide wheels on my 29ers, maybe it was the tire market, or the heavy wheelset, but I would much rather be on a fatbike than a semi fat 29er...

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    i have one of those speedway rims built up to a whub...singlewall...its fine...does really spread the tyre out and i dont remember the weight being too horrific? i think its the fat 29er tyres thats the thing here tho'

    go on surly!. you have to love them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    But if they did one, it would have to be like this....
    I have never seen those before. More info?

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    Here is my take. Last time I took off my 26x3.7 wheels off my pug and used some 29x2. Whatever they were I got two flats and a cut side wall. And that was the end of that.

    I would build up some for a true fat bike as a light duty xc wheelset. Nothing is ever going to replace the feeling of the BFL
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    ack, new photo has me more confused. Can't tell specs from photo. Like the bling-ed out rims though reminds me of the delgados they did a while back

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubbreak View Post
    I have never seen those before. More info?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plum View Post
    How wide are the Kris Holm 29er rims, around 50mm already? So these are wider. The holm rims are pretty tank like, so are we talking about a 1000g rim here?...
    Here you are:



    Kris Holm 20er 47mm rim wt 801gm

    I've tried various tyres on them and they don't give a significantly greater spread - or at least not enough to justify using them on the fatbike. If there was a 3" 29er tyre, then maybe that would be different.
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    Interesting... If it is what people think it is... Doesn't look like it would be fat enough to replace my snow bike, and I'm pretty sure that I don't need anything wider than a 2.4 Hans Dampf on my 29er trail bike.

    Could be pretty cool as an all around rat ride/winter commuter or maybe bikepacking rig. I guess I'll have to wait and see.

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    Honestly, I'd rather see more development in lighter cranks, bottom brackets, rims and tires for what we've already got.
    Middleburn square taper on Phil Wood dosn`t get much lighter - somewhere i have a pic of Middleburn crank arms that are drilled which shaved 1/4 of original weight and were raced at DH in the UK for 4 seasons . I want to see a return by Shimano to a 8 speed chain set with a fat 8 speed nickel rustproof chain and make a a 36 -12 8 speed cassette. 8 is more than enough
    Drilled single wall rims cannot come any lighter than except in carbon, Tyres are maybe what Surly are looking into with this bike, a new 29er floatation mid fat tyre

    I really dunno what so many folk get so hung up on weight on bikes and parts for, just ride the dam things
    I got recommended to go to the KH 47mm rims by Greg at Speedway if i would be riding with wheels off the ground etc.. as he said his 29er uno 50mm rims are light and so are quite flexy - how many guys would do that and lose a sale? not many!.
    Strenght will cost you in weight - always been the way it is with bikes,

    A fat 29er with 3" tyres will be better than a 3.7" fat bike on regular xc trails devoid of snow and sand for different reasons, as it will roll quicker, respond so much better to pedal input and pumping and the less contact area will mean more roll and less drag = more speed maintained.
    Ride a fat bike around a trail centre here in the UK and then jump on a fat tyre (2.5") 29er and it is way better - do some people on here actually ride there bikes who say fat is best for everything?,
    50+ miles of xc trails on a fat 29er where there is no snow,sand or loose surface is a lot more fun and enjoyable on a bike that responds while riding out of the saddle - not what a fat bike is designed to do.

    Apart from our friend Martin at Sandman who could ride the wheels off any bike as his videos prove for the most of us it is horses for courses and wether you like it or not biggest is not always best, why else is Surly making this bike? to fill a hole in the market, and sales of it to folk who have no interest to re sell it will prove its worth,

    I think it`s idea is ace and it will be a great trail bike, and have to now ask why there is a need/want here in the UK where there biggest market is for a `trail fatbike` like On One are designing when you can buy a bike like this from Surly soon?, but i always said that about this quick steering fatbike idea - as you are losing the best feature of fatbikes which is a slower steering headtube angle which allows you to get away with a lot more on wet loose rocky technical stuff than regular geometery on 26 & 29er xc bikes . Wish my KM 29er had a slacker headangle like on the pugsley

    So err hurry up Surly and lets see it close up and on film
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    hey-oh, oh-ay!
    if i catch flak for rocking the old school 3" gazzaloddis, why're these all fine n dandy?

    kidding!

    seriously though, same question I originally had when i saw endos...
    why're these xc tread tires?
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    I don't have the weights off hand, but on my scale, the e.13 Fat crankset came in roughly the same weight as my Shimano XT crankset.

    They could make them lighter but until someone comes out with a carbon fiber crankset, there isn't much more weight cutting to be had unless you replace the steel axle with Ti.

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    I think wide 650b's that diameter-out at what a "standard" 29er wheel/tire do would be a good niche to fill for Surly. As previously mentioned, 26x4 roll out to what a 29er does, so a 650 that does the same makes a lot of sense. How many snow bike owners are looking at having a winter and summer wheelset. Karate Monkey/29er owners.....want more rubber?

    It looks like a 29x3 to my eyes from the Apple-ish blurrycam spy pics. But how many times can you divide a consumer niche before you really have tens of customers. Growing the actual diameter outside of a 29er wheel is beyond diminishing margin of return even amongst the strange ass customer base that already exists. Don't get me wrong, it would be cool. But there are probably more QBP bean counters than there are goofy dudes at Surly. The Fat650 that could be used in anything 29er and all Fatbikes would simply sell more than a 32er. The extra INCHES tall that fork is make me think it's not a fat 29er.

    That said, please stop suspension "correcting" EVERYTHING!. Especially for frames/forks where suspension forks don't exist, give us descent axle to crown lengths and proper rake.
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    Me and my Jones may be sending a note of thanks to Surly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-reg View Post
    ...But how many times can you divide a consumer niche before you really have tens of customers...
    Both the 650B users in the world are very excited about this development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Been thinking on this, hoping it's not 650B, but that's just my own thing.

    What I am getting to though is a very well executed world domination strategy. Surly builds a tire, that is just fat enough to barely fit in their mtb frames so it's very useable by any Ogre, KM etc owner.

    Also allows use of fatter than currently available tires for all the other 29ers out there, and introduces all buyers to a pseudo/quasi fat bike experience, which they are sure to want more of, and why yes, we do offer fatter tires and bikes, step right on into my parlor....
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    If I remember correctly Jeff jones was toying with these kris holm 29er rims years ago also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-reg View Post
    I think wide 650b's that diameter-out at what a "standard" 29er wheel/tire do would be a good niche to fill for Surly. As previously mentioned, 26x4 roll out to what a 29er does, so a 650 that does the same makes a lot of sense. How many snow bike owners are looking at having a winter and summer wheelset. Karate Monkey/29er owners.....want more rubber?
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-reg View Post
    I think wide 650b's that diameter-out at what a "standard" 29er wheel/tire do would be a good niche to fill for Surly. As previously mentioned, 26x4 roll out to what a 29er does, so a 650 that does the same makes a lot of sense. How many snow bike owners are looking at having a winter and summer wheelset. Karate Monkey/29er owners.....want more rubber?

    It looks like a 29x3 to my eyes from the Apple-ish blurrycam spy pics. But how many times can you divide a consumer niche before you really have tens of customers. Growing the actual diameter outside of a 29er wheel is beyond diminishing margin of return even amongst the strange ass customer base that already exists. Don't get me wrong, it would be cool. But there are probably more QBP bean counters than there are goofy dudes at Surly. The Fat650 that could be used in anything 29er and all Fatbikes would simply sell more than a 32er. The extra INCHES tall that fork is make me think it's not a fat 29er.

    That said, please stop suspension "correcting" EVERYTHING!. Especially for frames/forks where suspension forks don't exist, give us descent axle to crown lengths and proper rake.
    Good points, but I'm not convinced that's what Surly's doing here. For one, the hints they're dropping make it sound like a whole new bike vs. a new rim/tire combo that would fit in existing frames. It does look like a suspension corrected front end. Maybe they're hedging their bets because a 3" tire doesn't provide the same suspension effect as a 4" tire. I'm with you - I like the Pugs geometry because it's NOT suspension corrected, and bought my Twenty2 because its geometry is similar to the Pug's.

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    When Surly will make an announcement about this bike? Do we have a date?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianick View Post
    When Surly will make an announcement about this bike? Do we have a date?
    Somewhere they said "More details next month."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianick View Post
    When Surly will make an announcement about this bike? Do we have a date?

    Likely it will be at SaddleDrive which I think is July 22nd.
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    Somewhere in my posting history back in the zero's you'll find me bugging all of you about 29x3.0.
    I told you it would be lighter for the same amount of float, roll faster, and have less aero resistance (well, frontal surface area).
    Wider rims need to be heavy just to support themselves, bridge the width. Wide tires are meaty. 29" only makes a tire ~10% heavier than a same-width 26" tire. So in stead of 26x3.7", a 29x3.0 would be a tad taller, have a crazy long contact patch, narrower for stability. We all know how a floaty 29x2.4" tire can already perform little miracles. Up with the 26x2.0 tires I'd wager.
    A downside for me with fat bikes is narrow ditch singletrack, the way the sides catch. And I like a tire to be less quirmy. 29" gives the wheel roll-over, the rim sits a bit closer to the trail, or: the hub stays further away.
    A slightly narrower rim/tire combo could rival the original Endomorph sized tires for float, bit add straighter tracking and better performance at speed. I anticipate it would like more to be ridden at speed, same as 29" like to be ridden fast through deep sand. On slightly more moderate terrain (not the deepest of snow or runniest of sand) I bet a 29x3.0 (31"please) would do the trick mighty well.

    Of course I'll contend that Surly should've done this in the first place, but hey, it's the result that could. I'd buy this bike sooner than a Moonlander and the Moonlander sooner than the Pugs. Very interesting!

    Hey, if it's "only" 29x3.0, might a 35mm lightweight Salsa/Velocity rim already do the trick for milder (racier) conditions? I have some wintertriathlon plans.... (evil grin)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit View Post
    If I remember correctly Jeff jones was toying with these kris holm 29er rims years ago also.
    He currently has a 50mm 29er rim in prototype. I was able to ride one during a test drive. I think an mtbr member named Aquaholic has one on his Jones that he has been testing for some time. I'm not sure who/where Jeff has this prototype being made. Jeff left the impression that he was going to bring it to market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki View Post
    ...A slightly narrower rim/tire combo could rival the original Endomorph sized tires for float...
    A 29er with a 3" tyre would still be only 66% of the volume of a 3.8" on a 26" rim, but it would still be a big improvement in float over a 2.35".
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    I don't what it is, but I already know I want it! Definitely excited to see what it is when they unveil this monster of a bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    A 29er with a 3" tyre would still be only 66% of the volume of a 3.8" on a 26" rim, but it would still be a big improvement in float over a 2.35".
    Volume means a lot to the track pump. The trail only cares about the part it touches.
    I hear you though, and do anticipate a big and skinny (in fat terms) version will favor higher speed riding. More rolling, less crawling. Both as riding style (engine power) and terrain.

    In gas theory, only tire pressure and axle load determines the surface area with the trail. In reality, the longer and narrower contact patch of a bigger rim and narrower tire do bring great stability and traction. More rolling, less plowing.
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    the front end on that bike looks insane. go Surly.

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    Was reading the Walmart thread..any chance this could go to a 32 inch tire? Those tires are awfully big from the picture, look almost bigger than a 29er unless the guy riding is short. They did said it was something that hadn't been done before.

    Regardless, it looks pretty sweet..I want it.

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    Wonder if 45NRTH's forthcoming "special" tire may be compatible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodi2259 View Post
    Thanks google



    OKAY, what size (mm) brake rotor would that be on the front?

    I got from very crude measurements :
    rotor: 55*33 pix diagonally
    rim : 188*110 pix (~3.4 * rotor)
    tire : 228*133 pix (~4.1 * rotor)

    If the rotor is
    180mm, the outer rim is ~600-615mm (635mm being 700c/29" standard)
    185mm: rim is 616-632mm
    160mm: rim is 533-547mm (26" being 571mm)

    Presuming 700c and a 185mm rotor,
    The tire measures roughly (228/188) * 25 = 30.3".

    Seems to me the tire is indeed wider than tall, due to a relatively wide rim. The tire might well be 3" on the outside, the height (2.65" if my pixel deducing has any merit) doesn't look too far off.

    For such a wide tire, is it not interesting that the knobs stick way out to the sides? Perhaps the casing doesn't even make 3.0" across...
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    Whatever, looks awesome and I want one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki View Post
    ...If the rotor is
    180mm, the outer rim is ~600-615mm (635mm being 700c/29" standard)...
    Nifty bit of calculation there. Looks like big wheels then.

    BTW 635 is the old British 28" rim size and 622 is the 700c/29er
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    Looks pretty similar to my 29x3.2" on a 50mm rim. If I could replace my sewn together frankentire with a factory built 29x3 I will be quite happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericpulvermacher View Post
    Looks pretty similar to my 29x3.2" on a 50mm rim. If I could replace my sewn together frankentire with a factory built 29x3 I will be quite happy.

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    Frankentire?

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    This sounds interesting. Do you have a picture of said beast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-reg View Post

    That said, please stop suspension "correcting" EVERYTHING!. Especially for frames/forks where suspension forks don't exist, give us descent axle to crown lengths and proper rake.

    That. Yes. It's why I had to take my business to a custom builder (Waltworks - great to deal with) for my half-fat, instead of buying any of the Surly/Salsa/etc forks.

    Eventually, I hope we can see more of these bikes go to either tapered or 1.5" straight head tubes (which could use a reducer headset to run a tapered suspension fork in the summer). With all of that axle-to-crown, big heavy wheels and tires, and ever-powerful brakes, we're to a place where the 1 1/8" isn't cutting it. I have a 160mm rotor on the front... would love to use more, but it would be too much for the fork. I think tapered may be too tough/costly to do in steel, so I'd be happy with 1.5" straight pipes on all the new bikes.

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    What do ya make of this?

    Found this on Twitter. No other info, but looks......interesting.
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    That was posted on Phil Wood's FB page. Betting this is what they put that 64-hole disc hub on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoreskillz View Post
    That was posted on Phil Wood's FB page. Betting this is what they put that 64-hole laced wheel on!
    Tweeted by Phil Wood's account with the line, "Hmmm...."

    I hope it is what I think it is.
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    More Surly Facebook and Twitter hints about names, involving Germanic folklore and Santa's best friend....looks like the new bike is going to be called Surly Krampus.

    However, If the Necromancer name was squashed, there's no way a bike named after a baby eating goat beast is gonna fly. Unfortunate because I think that name is rather fitting!
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    Fat Front V-10?

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    What do I make of that? Something that is completely unrelated to Surly's new fat bike.

    Start a new thread next time dude.

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    Surly Krampus

    I think JAGI410 has the name figured out. Surly Krampus.
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    I think Mike suggested some time back he had access to this new bike/wheel from Surly. So I went over to Mikes wonderful blog and found this pic. The pick say's "Click...goes the sound of the bar being raised." Is it just me or does this wheel/tire look like a fat 29r? By the way if you have not been to his blog it is a must see and read. Such great stories, pics and adventure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    However, If the Necromancer name was squashed, there's no way a bike named after a baby eating goat beast is gonna fly. Unfortunate because I think that name is rather fitting!
    My understanding is the Necromancer name was put aside because of possible trade name confusion with another bike manufacturer.

    Krampus is in the public domain. I see no reason why Surly couldn't go with that name if it chooses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaredbe View Post
    I think Mike suggested some time back he had access to this new bike/wheel from Surly. So I went over to Mikes wonderful blog and found this pic. The pick say's "Click...goes the sound of the bar being raised." Is it just me or does this wheel/tire look like a fat 29r? By the way if you have not been to his blog it is a must see and read. Such great stories, pics and adventure.
    Nah, that looks like a WTB weirwolf or something. A big tire, sure, but not a 3.0...

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    As far as I can discertain:
    "Necromancer" replaced "Black Ops" as to avoid confusion with another company's part line
    "Neck Romancer" replaced "Necromancer" to appease a silly anti-witchcraft backlash, and it sounds silly

    On to the Krampus, stay away from the Babies!

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    First the name, then the specs? Cruel...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoreskillz View Post
    That was posted on Phil Wood's FB page. Betting this is what they put that 64-hole disc hub on!

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    Oh oh oh !

    Last tweet from Surly : "Who is Santa Claus's best friend?"

    Smells like a Krampus, no ?
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    Krampus is a horrible sounding name.

    I think they'll keep it simple... I'm guessing Goat.

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    lots of talk about the tire and not much about that green frame. looks like a tiny one, and the stem is super short. kind of looks like a Pugs interbred with an Instigator or something....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaredbe View Post
    I think Mike suggested some time back he had access to this new bike/wheel from Surly. So I went over to Mikes wonderful blog and found this pic. The pick say's "Click...goes the sound of the bar being raised." Is it just me or does this wheel/tire look like a fat 29r? By the way if you have not been to his blog it is a must see and read. Such great stories, pics and adventure.
    The "raising of the bar" in that blog post has nothing to do with potential new components......but rather the fact that they pulled of a trip that seemed downright impossible to just about anyone who knows the region they traveled through and the amount of gear necessary to pull it off. I still can't get my head around it.....

    The tire in the picture you linked is a WTB Weirwolf LT 2.5. It's a nice, high volume tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Koala View Post
    Last tweet from Surly : "Who is Santa Claus's best friend?"

    Smells like a Krampus, no ?
    Or do we get something cute and fuzzy like a reindeer? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalton View Post
    Or do we get something cute and fuzzy like a reindeer? lol
    Or...just something RED...like a frame?

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    Santa's Best Friend

    Santa's best friend is ROVEN!

    Ahhh yes the Surly Roven!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Likely it will be at SaddleDrive which I think is July 22nd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saw View Post
    Frankentire?

    Sewn together?

    This sounds interesting. Do you have a picture of said beast?
    Here is a pic for comparison:

    my wheel: 2x WTB Prowler 29x2.1s sewn together = 29x3.2


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    Quote Originally Posted by ericpulvermacher View Post
    Looks pretty similar to my 29x3.2" on a 50mm rim. If I could replace my sewn together frankentire with a factory built 29x3 I will be quite happy.

    surly

    Nice! From this angle your tire looks like a factory tire. Actually, it would be easy to mistake it for the Surly.

    How do you like it? How does it perform compared to a normal 29" tire and a fat tire? How has your tire held up to abuse?

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