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    Chinese Knock Off Grip Studs

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/JX10...9-d3d4f51d3896

    A guy on my local single track site said they were working well for him.

    Anyone have experience with them?
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    Ah, so they are available now.
    We discussed these two years ago when they were listed on Alibaba, but were vapor ware at that time.

    Nothing comes close to Kold Kutters for traction, but these are less likely to go through the casing than the KKs and likely wear much longer when ridden on hard surfaces since they are Carbide.

    My center KKs are work pretty bad after way to many miles on dry ground. Cheap and easy to replace, though.
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    Thanks for the link! A guy on Facebook Fatbike Trader was selling these for $.60 a stud. I posted your link and think I pissed him off.
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    I'm trying out some of the knock offs in a 4.8 Vee Avalanche (rear) and some Simms fishing wader studs in a Flowbeist on the front. Its a new tubeless setup and I've only got two rides on them with no pure ice yet. No lost studs and they steer fine on hardpack snow. No bad manners on a short section of asphalt.




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    How many do you get for $195?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff_G View Post
    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/JX10...9-d3d4f51d3896

    A guy on my local single track site said they were working well for him.

    Anyone have experience with them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by justin70 View Post
    How many do you get for $195?
    Looks like 500, so $0.39 per stud.

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    I got some Chinese ones off a guy to try, they were a huge PIA to get on the tool. Nothing like my grip studs but you get what you pay for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Up North Eh View Post
    I got some Chinese ones off a guy to try, they were a huge PIA to get on the tool. Nothing like my grip studs but you get what you pay for.
    Were the carbides welded or cemented? I've been pleased with my grip studs, but could use a few extra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    Looks like 500, so $0.39 per stud.
    If you search around (JX100) you can get them for .30 a stud. That being said, my grip studs have been awesome for the past few years, so I will probably go that route.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paochow View Post
    If you search around (JX100) you can get them for .30 a stud. That being said, my grip studs have been awesome for the past few years, so I will probably go that route.
    The guy said he got two install tools included at the linked site

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    I like that pricing but wonder about the quality? I've run my grip studs for 1/2 of last winter and now this winter and haven't lost any and they've held up really well to being ridden on some pavement sections during my commute. I just did some searching and couldn't determine where Gripstuds are made? My assumption is the Chinese studs are lower quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paochow View Post
    Were the carbides welded or cemented? I've been pleased with my grip studs, but could use a few extra.
    All one piece cast from what I can see.

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    Seems like the tips are of varying lengths on the knockoffs, and there are fewer threads on the corkscrew part. I'd love to hear more about them before buying. Do they fit the gripstuds tool?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Up North Eh View Post
    All one piece cast from what I can see.
    Do they even have a carbide tip then? An all steel stud wouldn't last long, and I doubt they cast them out of solid carbide.
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    Are you guys clicking on the link?

    The diagram on the page clearly shows dimensions and a carbide insert. Another chart shows different sizes.

    As far as the grip stud tool the guy said he got two tools with his order.
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    Is there anyone in the Minneapolis/St Paul area interested in putting an order together? there is a pretty good discount if you can get over the 5k piece mark. Anyone outside that area is welcome too. just need to work out the shipping to your house.

    PM me if interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefflinde View Post
    Is there anyone in the Minneapolis/St Paul area interested in putting an order together? there is a pretty good discount if you can get over the 5k piece mark. Anyone outside that area is welcome too. just need to work out the shipping to your house.

    PM me if interested.
    What I am seeing is the 500 quantity linked to shows up not available anymore, it was also around 9 bucks shipping when it was live. Now the best I can see on that site is a 300 cnt lot and they have jacked the shipping to ~ 29 bucks. Makes them around 55 cents a stud, far better than a buck a stud but makes the risk on a deal like that a bit shaky!

    My two cents!

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    Jefflinde,
    To bad I just ordered 500.

    Here is where I got them from:
    High Quality Tungsten Carbide Jx100 Stud Pins Studded Tires For Anti Slip Tire Studs - Buy Anti Slip Tire Studs,Carbide Tire Studs,Studded Tires Product on Alibaba.com

    $23 shipping to Minneapolis, DHL though so I had them in 3 days from China.

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    Great post! Could you post a pic or two of the studs you got? The link shows studs that have a pretty prominent cone projection...

    Thanks!

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    JX100 is the part number. You will see pics of other studs in the Alibaba link. This was what was left after I studded two tires.
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    Gisselle was quick and responsive on emails.
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    One of the 3 tools that were included in mine. I think normally they do 2 in a 500 piece bag.
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    Overall length.
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    Auger diameter.
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    Carbide diameter.
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    Shoulder to bottom of auger.
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    Beautiful pics! Thanks! The finish is much better than some of the Alibaba site pictures appear. These look very much like the 25 I got from the LBS.

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    ..thanks for update, very cool!

    how many did you put in each tire? any pics?...
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    Who tried the JX100 chinese studs? How do they hold on??

    $180 for 500 !

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    I apparently suck at searching. Please link the 500 for $180. A buddy and I are pulling the trigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff_G View Post
    I apparently suck at searching. Please link the 500 for $180. A buddy and I are pulling the trigger.
    https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/produ...4510876dzdC8I1

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    They held up ok. The Vee PSC compound used in the tread blocks is too soft. The studs screw in fine until they hit the tire casing. They just spin and won't go any deeper, probably doesn't help that I used the existing tread pockets. They tended to pull out if the tire slid or spun on really hard ice.

    Traction was pretty good for a fat tire except for the really hard ice. They only had a millimeter of carbide protrusion, could have used some more.

    The Flowbeist with the wader studs didn't fare much better, just not enough pressure to drive the stud into really hard ice. Not so good steering on hardpack or glazed trails, good lat workout though.

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    I have 4.8 & 4.0 Jumbo Jims, has anyone tried these studs in JJ's?

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    Thanks for the link. I'm going to order 500+. If anyone in the Minneapolis area wants to get in on an order and get me over the 1,000 piece price break let me know.

    It's 57 degrees here but plan to order this week anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ak-rider View Post
    Thanks for the info. I had no luck installing grip studs in my PCS 2XLs due to the soft rubber and tiny knobs. Last winter I was able to stud a set of black 2XLs without too much difficulty.
    Can you go for some details/explanations/photos, please...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailRider50 View Post
    Anyone successfully order these? I realize this is not the Allibaba help desk but after signing up etc I ordered them and it says It does not accept credit card payments. It'll take my bank info for a "check" payment but I don't think so....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff_G View Post
    Anyone successfully order these? I realize this is not the Allibaba help desk but after signing up etc I ordered them and it says It does not accept credit card payments. It'll take my bank info for a "check" payment but I don't think so....
    Try AliExpress as they are geared toward smaller orders. Though given my experience with shipping from China this time of year it could be 2 months before your order arrives. The country pretty much shuts down for Chinese New Year. Its a few weeks later this year which might help.

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    Well.....after two days my credit card finally went through. Then three days later I got a notice "shipper did not meet agreed timeframe for shipping order, contact them to renegotiate"

    So I did. They said "order shipped yesterday". They gave me a tracking number. The tracking number they gave me was generated that day but has not been scanned by DHL as received so really it hasn't been "shipped" a "shipping label" was created. DIFFERENT

    I'm going to give it few more days then I'm bailing.
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    DHL tracking number never did show shipped but low and behold they showed up today.

    No install tool though. Anyone have a spare they could lend or a spare you don't need?
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    Jeff_G I have a few of them that came with my box of studs. You can have one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff_G View Post
    DHL tracking number never did show shipped but low and behold they showed up today.

    No install tool though. Anyone have a spare they could lend or a spare you don't need?
    Good to see they arrived, a source for an install tool could be an LBS that sells Grip Studs. That's where
    both myself and my brother here in Anchorage have picked up our install tools.
    Can you post pics of some of the studs? Do they seem to have good projection of the carbides?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebionicman View Post
    Jeff_G I have a few of them that came with my box of studs. You can have one.


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    Awesome, I'll send you a message.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSchmitz View Post
    Good to see they arrived, a source for an install tool could be an LBS that sells Grip Studs. That's where
    both myself and my brother here in Anchorage have picked up our install tools.
    Can you post pics of some of the studs? Do they seem to have good projection of the carbides?

    Thanks!
    I bought 100 grip studs because I found them on sale for $60. (one pack only)

    The tool was $21 so I didn't buy it.

    I will now though but I do not know if the Grip Studs and the Chinese knock offs use the same tool?
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    Post 21 has pictures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff_G View Post
    Post 21 has pictures.
    Thanks for the pics in Post #21. I am pretty sure the same tool fits both the Grip Studs and the Jx100's. A mod I did to my install/removal tool was to put two or three small, powerful magnets around the tip. It is pretty effective in keeping the grip studs attached to the tool. Dropping any of the studs is a PIA, especially at 50 cents to a buck a piece! A good source of some really, really herky magnets is the worn out, replaceable electric toothbrush modules. They are black, on a steel carrier that is pretty easy to separate. Phillips brushes use them, not sure who else. It may even be possible to permanently magnetize the tip of the tool enough to get the job done, may see where that goes.

    Enjoy your upgraded tires!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff_G View Post
    DHL tracking number never did show shipped but low and behold they showed up today.
    Have you had a chance to install and ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iffykid View Post
    Have you had a chance to install and ride?
    Funny you should ask. I decided not to use them to supplement my D5's and one other set of tires but my buddy who has Minions wanted to put them in.

    As I mentioned no tool was included but thebionicman was nice enough to send me his.

    Gave the 500 studs and tool to my buddy and he installed them. Sent me a picture cussing part way through. He said 1/3 of the 500 studs was junk.

    Sent me this picture.

    Chinese Knock Off Grip Studs-stud.pdf

    The one on the bottom I would consider the "best of the worst". There are some with literally no head protruding. FLAT

    So now I have to see about a Chinese warranty. Wish me luck.

    I did not ride his bike and he never rode it on snow prior to putting in the studs so I don't have a good assessment on how they work.

    I do know:

    - They stick out a lot more than my d5s. A whole lot more.

    - We rode a trail with some snow, ice, rocks, roots and logs two different times for a total of about 20 miles and none pulled out. Which I was concerned about.

    - When we were riding I did not notice him slipping any more or less than I was. He's very particular about his stuff and lot's of mechanical and riding history (bikes, motocross, snowmobiles etc) and if was slipping or unhappy with them I would have heard about it.

    If I can get my money back for 150 of them I would say they were very much worth the money.

    More to come........
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    Thnx
    Considering getting a fatty but not sure about studding for trail riding, Guess maybe get the bike first and then decide on the stud issue. Looks like the locale trails are closed for the thaw and will reopen after it snows and refreezes again.
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    I see your from Blaine. If the last couple of years of icy trails continue to be the norm you will LOVE studs. Not required but it'll inspire confidence and increase your speeds.
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    I am old and slow so not concerned with increased speed more concerned with unintentional dismounts. Never rode in winter but thinking about getting out of the house for a little exercise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iffykid View Post
    ... more concerned with unintentional dismounts.
    Studs are exactly what you want. Rash Generalization: A $1,000 bike with $500 studded tires will be more enjoyable in the winter than a $2,000 bike without studs.

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    Agree though if you are looking at a new fat bike (or even new winter tires for a fat bike) I'd lean toward studdable tires that take standard studs rather than grip-studding tires not-meant to be studded, if only due to costs. Standard studs are easily found for $25-30 / 100 without ordering from China.

    45Nrth, Terrene, and Bontrager have studdable tires. Want studs that stick out further than most? Check out 45Nrth XL studs. I just put 216 of these in a Bontrager Gnarwhal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff_G View Post
    Funny you should ask. I decided not to use them to supplement my D5's and one other set of tires but my buddy who has Minions wanted to put them in.

    As I mentioned no tool was included but thebionicman was nice enough to send me his.

    Gave the 500 studs and tool to my buddy and he installed them. Sent me a picture cussing part way through. He said 1/3 of the 500 studs was junk.
    Did you order from AliExpress?
    If so, getting a refund for the defective ones is easy.

    if ordered from Alibaba, probably a little more involved, and even more if ordered directly from the website.

    However, do link to for example this thread, as customer service will often speed up and/or improve if the seller sees that his/her response to a real issue like this has a big audience. Without using the exposure as a threat (just information).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Did you order from AliExpress?
    If so, getting a refund for the defective ones is easy.

    if ordered from Alibaba, probably a little more involved, and even more if ordered directly from the website.

    However, do link to for example this thread, as customer service will often speed up and/or improve if the seller sees that his/her response to a real issue like this has a big audience. Without using the exposure as a threat (just information).
    Excellent info. Thanks. Need to get going on this today.
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