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    In Stock! CS-001 newest full suspension fat bike frame 26er for 177*12mm axle - Xiamen Carbon Speed Sport Goods Co.,Ltd

    I have this and it survived my 240 pounds of bikepacking weight on a ride in the North Dakota badlands...the Maah Daah Hey is one of the most rugged cross country trails in the world.

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    177 rear with 100mm bb from peter at XMCARBONSPEED

    Got this frame from Peter at XmCarbonspeed. Bike came perfect condition. Only issue was temporary bolt I think used during painting the frame. New bolt sent in 2 days.

    Had no issues at all with frame and plan to purchase more items from XMCarbonspeed.

    Im running Rockshox Bluto (without remote and with Motion Control DNA), , RaceFace Bars (700mm) and stem (50mm), Race Turbine Cinch 34T, Sram Eagle 12s XX1 with Black eagle chain, Eagle under bar shift. Rockshox Monarch rear shox with remote lock out. XMCarbonspeed 26"x 65mm rims. Schwalbe Jumbo 26x4.0 Tires. Carbon Seat Post (Fox transfer soon) and SDG seat. Shimano Saint Brakes 203 front and 180 rear.

    I have ridden the bike in the city and downhill, cross country and did alot of big drops so far no issues and never had issues with the rear swing arm touch the down post. Seems with my setup this is not possible if everything setup correctly.
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    Looks good. How's the up hills on this frame .I'm used to a 69 degree head tube

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    Any one put a front derailer on this frame? Any idea what would fit it please. I like my 2x10 with doval oval 22/38 .current fatty has a e type mount .I'm not sure what would work on this.ta

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    Do you know what the bike weighs as it sits? I am looking at going this route and am curious what to expect.
    Quote Originally Posted by Martyj77 View Post
    Got this frame from Peter at XmCarbonspeed. Bike came perfect condition. Only issue was temporary bolt I think used during painting the frame. New bolt sent in 2 days.

    Had no issues at all with frame and plan to purchase more items from XMCarbonspeed.

    Im running Rockshox Bluto (without remote and with Motion Control DNA), , RaceFace Bars (700mm) and stem (50mm), Race Turbine Cinch 34T, Sram Eagle 12s XX1 with Black eagle chain, Eagle under bar shift. Rockshox Monarch rear shox with remote lock out. XMCarbonspeed 26"x 65mm rims. Schwalbe Jumbo 26x4.0 Tires. Carbon Seat Post (Fox transfer soon) and SDG seat. Shimano Saint Brakes 203 front and 180 rear.

    I have ridden the bike in the city and downhill, cross country and did alot of big drops so far no issues and never had issues with the rear swing arm touch the down post. Seems with my setup this is not possible if everything setup correctly.

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    New question - does anyone know if there is a Chinese company making a Farley ex style frame? I like the looks and suspension a little better on that design than the shock on top of the current bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammwize View Post
    Any one put a front derailer on this frame? Any idea what would fit it please. I like my 2x10 with doval oval 22/38 .current fatty has a e type mount .I'm not sure what would work on this.ta
    Pretty sure it is a 1X only and can't run a front derailer.

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    Im sure you could rig up a way to put a front derailer on the frame but with the ability to do a good 1x11 why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammwize View Post
    Any one put a front derailer on this frame? Any idea what would fit it please. I like my 2x10 with doval oval 22/38 .current fatty has a e type mount .I'm not sure what would work on this.ta
    The ican and imust frames I'm pretty sure do 2X if you are looking to just move parts over from your current bike.

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    Tell you what this bike is just awesome. I don't have anything left to change now I just ride it, which is really odd compared to other bikes I used to own.

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    Around 15kg

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmes View Post
    In Stock! CS-001 newest full suspension fat bike frame 26er for 177*12mm axle - Xiamen Carbon Speed Sport Goods Co.,Ltd

    I have this and it survived my 240 pounds of bikepacking weight on a ride in the North Dakota badlands...the Maah Daah Hey is one of the most rugged cross country trails in the world.
    I don't see any prices listed. Where does one find prices?

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    I don't see any prices listed. Where does one find prices?
    For some reason they make you email them to get the price...they reply very quickly.

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    I am going to build my first mountain bike using this frame. I have very little experience with bicycles, but I have compiled a parts list by using advice from this thread and the parts list of a Salsa Bucksaw. Please check it out and give me advice for tweaks that should be made or inform me if I'm missing any parts. Thanks

    Total Cost: $4,255
    Frame - CS-001 newest full suspension fat bike frame 26er for 177*12mm axle 15" - $850
    In Stock! CS-001 newest full suspension fat bike frame 26er for 177*12mm axle - Xiamen Carbon Speed Sport Goods Co.,Ltd


    Rims - FHR80C-35mm 2016 Super tough Carbon Speed - Fat Club 80mm fat bike rims 80mm width 35mm depth - 2x $195
    FHR80C-35mm 2016 Super tough Carbon Speed - Fat Club 80mm fat bike rims 80mm width 35mm depth - Xiamen Carbon Speed Sport Goods Co.,Ltd


    Tires - 45NRTH Flowbeist/Dunderbeist 26" x 4.6" 120 TPI - 2x $112
    45NRTH FLOWBEIST - TUBELESS-READY FRONT-SPECIFIC FATBIKE TIRE
    45NRTH Dunderbeist 26x4.6 120 TPI rear specific fatbike tire


    Tire Sealant - NoTubes Tire Sealant - $17
    https://www.amazon.com/Stans-No-Tube...3NU?th=1&psc=1


    Sealant Injector - Stans No Tubes 2-Ounce Sealant Injector (Black Connector) - $10
    https://www.amazon.com/Stans-Tubes-2.../dp/B001GSKL4A


    Valve Stems Stan's NoTubes Tubeless Valve Stem - Pair 35mm - $15
    https://www.amazon.com/Tubes-Presta-...4M3?th=1&psc=1


    Spokes - SENQI 36pcs 14G J Bend Bicycle Steel Spokes 170mm-290mm W/nipples 259/253mm - 2x $10
    https://www.amazon.com/SENQI-Bicycle...8HQ?th=1&psc=1


    Front Hub - DT Swiss 350 Big Ride Fat Bike Front Hub 32h, 15 x 150mm Thru Axle, 6-Bolt Disc - $90
    https://www.amazon.com/DT-Swiss-Fron.../dp/B01DWRDMQG
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    Rear Hub - DT Swiss 350 Big Ride Fat Bike Rear Hub 32h, 12 x 177mm Thru Axle, 6-Bolt Disc - $197
    https://www.amazon.com/DT-Swiss-Ride.../dp/B01GIUYV50
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    Freehub Body- DT Swiss XX1 135x5mm QR Freehub Body - $92
    Bikeman DT Swiss XX1 135x5mm QR Freehub Body fits 180/190/240/350 Hubs


    Fork - Fatbike Suspension Fork - 150mm Hub / 150mm Travel - $950
    https://www.wrensports.com/2016-inve...ion-forks.html


    Rear Shock - Cane Creek Double Barrel Inline Shock 7.875 x 2.0 - $275
    Cane Creek Double Barrel Inline Shock > Components > Forks & Suspension > Rear Shocks | Jenson USA


    Shock Hardware - Cane Creek Rear Shock Hardware 22.2mm x 8mm - $20
    Parts & Tools | Shock Hardware


    Shock Pump - Fox Racing Shox Shock Pump 027-00-007 - $25
    https://www.amazon.com/Fox-Racing-Sh.../dp/B001F212OK


    Pedals - Race Face Chester Pedal - $47
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018J1J7QE


    Crankset - SRAM GX Fat 1000 GXP Black X-SYNC 30T Crankset - $105
    https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-Black-X-...RE/?th=1&psc=1


    Bottom Bracket - Sram GXP Team External Bicycle Bottom Bracket - $30
    https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-English-.../dp/B00GQV9WRE


    Cassette - SRAM GX XG-1150 11-Speed Cassette - $105
    https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-XG-1150-.../dp/B00V8RZ856


    Shifter - SRAM X1 11-Speed Trigger Shifter - $54
    https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-X1-11-Sp.../dp/B00L2Q4HXC


    Chain - SRAM PCX1 11 Speed Chain 118 Links with PowerLock - $30
    https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-Speed-Ch.../dp/B00L2QCXYW


    Derailleur - SRAM GX Bicycle Rear Derailleur with 1 x 11 Speed Long Cage - $90
    https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-Bicycle-.../dp/B0127DORZ6


    Disc Brakes - Shimano XT BL-M8000 Disc Brake - 2x $90
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Z3KPD1S...ding=UTF8&th=1


    Brake Rotors - Shimano XT SM-RT86 Rotor - 6-Bolt 203mm - $50 180mm - $40
    https://www.amazon.com/Shimano-Techn.../dp/B008ZTLJJ4


    Front Bracket - Shimano MA-F Disc Brake Mounting Bracket 203mm - $10
    https://www.amazon.com/Shimano-Brake.../dp/B0014GMIZE


    Rear Bracket - Shimano MA-R Disc Brake Mounting Bracket - $12
    https://www.amazon.com/Shimano-MA-R-...t/dp/B00WXYMLA


    Stem - Wren Lightweight Alloy Stems - 6° angle 70mm length - $50
    Wren Lightweight Alloy Stems | Wren Sports


    Headset - FSA Orbit MX Mountain Bike Headset - 1 1/8 Inch Threadless - $40
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000AO5NXU...TB6?th=1&psc=1


    Handlebars - Race Face Atlas FR Riser Handlebar - $62
    https://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Hand...LI/?th=1&psc=1


    Grips - Race Face Half Nelson Locking Grips - $20
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009F9XCGQ


    Dropper Post - DNM Mountain Bike Dropper Seatpost Remote Lockout 31.6mm x 330mm - $180
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00K2PFH5Q


    Saddle - Bikeroo Soft Cushion Saddle - $25
    https://www.amazon.com/Most-Comforta.../dp/B01H60SXAK
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    I did not see a bottom bracket and on a related note I don't think the Shimano crank will work with the 100mm bottom bracket shell, or the 177 rear spacing.

    I don't see a chainring either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    I did not see a bottom bracket and on a related note I don't think the Shimano crank will work with the 100mm bottom bracket shell, or the 177 rear spacing.
    Thanks I have made changes
    Last edited by Furb710; 10-25-2016 at 03:32 PM.

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    You won't need brake cables and housings for hydraulic disk brakes.

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    Best to go with 120mm travel fork.

    UC has the DT Swiss spokes I recommend: https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...s.php?id=16564

    Either way I would wait to order spokes until you get your rims to make sure you get a precise ERD as mine were 5mm different from the web site.

    Don't forget the rear shock mounting hardware, I needed 44.5x8 for the rear...I forget what the front mount was...you may want to wait until your frame arrives to make sure you get the correct spacing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmes View Post
    Best to go with 120mm travel fork.

    UC has the DT Swiss spokes I recommend: https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...s.php?id=16564

    Either way I would wait to order spokes until you get your rims to make sure you get a precise ERD as mine were 5mm different from the web site.

    Don't forget the rear shock mounting hardware, I needed 44.5x8 for the rear...I forget what the front mount was...you may want to wait until your frame arrives to make sure you get the correct spacing.
    How significant of an upgrade is going from a 100mm to a 120mm of travel fork? I decided to go with the Wren fork because people in this thread were saying how awesome it is compared to the RockShox one. Their current model is 150mm of travel but it costs almost $300 more.

    I plan on getting the parts for this bike slowly over the next 6 months. If having the better fork makes a big difference I will probably try to buy that last so hopefully the 2017 forks are out and the current ones are discounted.

    Also thanks for the info on rear shock mounting. I completely overlooked that

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    I have my Wren set at 130mm and it is a good match for the 120mm of rear travel on the frame. I was glad people talked me away from the 100mm since I would've wanted more once I got the bike tuned like I have it now.

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    The frame was designed around a 120mm fork so dropping the front end 20mm is going to change the bike. I wouldn't recommend messing with the geometry like that. The 150mm Wren is adjustable down to 120mm travel. The Blutos are great forks...you'd be better off with a 120mm Bluto if you're on a budget...I don't blame you for wanting a Wren!

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    Does the $850 for the frame include shipping and PayPal fees?

    Quote Originally Posted by Furb710 View Post
    I am going to build my first mountain bike using this frame. I have very little experience with bicycles, but I have compiled a parts list by using advice from this thread and the parts list of a Salsa Bucksaw. Please check it out and give me advice for tweaks that should be made or inform me if I'm missing any parts. Thanks

    Total Cost: $4,255
    Frame - CS-001 newest full suspension fat bike frame 26er for 177*12mm axle 15" - $850
    In Stock! CS-001 newest full suspension fat bike frame 26er for 177*12mm axle - Xiamen Carbon Speed Sport Goods Co.,Ltd


    Rims - FHR80C-35mm 2016 Super tough Carbon Speed - Fat Club 80mm fat bike rims 80mm width 35mm depth - 2x $195
    FHR80C-35mm 2016 Super tough Carbon Speed - Fat Club 80mm fat bike rims 80mm width 35mm depth - Xiamen Carbon Speed Sport Goods Co.,Ltd


    Tires - 45NRTH Flowbeist/Dunderbeist 26" x 4.6" 120 TPI - 2x $112
    45NRTH FLOWBEIST - TUBELESS-READY FRONT-SPECIFIC FATBIKE TIRE
    45NRTH Dunderbeist 26x4.6 120 TPI rear specific fatbike tire


    Tire Sealant - NoTubes Tire Sealant - $17
    https://www.amazon.com/Stans-No-Tube...3NU?th=1&psc=1


    Sealant Injector - Stans No Tubes 2-Ounce Sealant Injector (Black Connector) - $10
    https://www.amazon.com/Stans-Tubes-2.../dp/B001GSKL4A


    Valve Stems Stan's NoTubes Tubeless Valve Stem - Pair 35mm - $15
    https://www.amazon.com/Tubes-Presta-...4M3?th=1&psc=1


    Spokes - SENQI 36pcs 14G J Bend Bicycle Steel Spokes 170mm-290mm W/nipples 259/253mm - 2x $10
    https://www.amazon.com/SENQI-Bicycle...8HQ?th=1&psc=1


    Front Hub - DT Swiss 350 Big Ride Fat Bike Front Hub 32h, 15 x 150mm Thru Axle, 6-Bolt Disc - $90
    https://www.amazon.com/DT-Swiss-Fron.../dp/B01DWRDMQG
    Page Not Found. - Black Mountain Bicycles San Diego


    Rear Hub - DT Swiss 350 Big Ride Fat Bike Rear Hub 32h, 12 x 177mm Thru Axle, 6-Bolt Disc - $197
    https://www.amazon.com/DT-Swiss-Ride.../dp/B01GIUYV50
    Page Not Found. - Black Mountain Bicycles San Diego


    Freehub Body- DT Swiss XX1 135x5mm QR Freehub Body - $92
    Bikeman DT Swiss XX1 135x5mm QR Freehub Body fits 180/190/240/350 Hubs


    Fork - Fatbike Suspension Fork - 150mm Hub / 150mm Travel - $950
    https://www.wrensports.com/2016-inve...ion-forks.html


    Rear Shock - Cane Creek Double Barrel Inline Shock 7.875 x 2.0 - $275
    Cane Creek Double Barrel Inline Shock > Components > Forks & Suspension > Rear Shocks | Jenson USA


    Shock Hardware - Cane Creek Rear Shock Hardware 22.2mm x 8mm - $20
    Parts & Tools | Shock Hardware


    Shock Pump - Fox Racing Shox Shock Pump 027-00-007 - $25
    https://www.amazon.com/Fox-Racing-Sh.../dp/B001F212OK


    Pedals - Race Face Chester Pedal - $47
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018J1J7QE


    Crankset - SRAM GX Fat 1000 GXP Black X-SYNC 30T Crankset - $105
    https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-Black-X-...RE/?th=1&psc=1


    Bottom Bracket - Sram GXP Team External Bicycle Bottom Bracket - $30
    https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-English-.../dp/B00GQV9WRE


    Cassette - SRAM GX XG-1150 11-Speed Cassette - $105
    https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-XG-1150-.../dp/B00V8RZ856


    Shifter - SRAM X1 11-Speed Trigger Shifter - $54
    https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-X1-11-Sp.../dp/B00L2Q4HXC


    Chain - SRAM PCX1 11 Speed Chain 118 Links with PowerLock - $30
    https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-Speed-Ch.../dp/B00L2QCXYW


    Derailleur - SRAM GX Bicycle Rear Derailleur with 1 x 11 Speed Long Cage - $90
    https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-Bicycle-.../dp/B0127DORZ6


    Disc Brakes - Shimano XT BL-M8000 Disc Brake - 2x $90
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Z3KPD1S...ding=UTF8&th=1


    Brake Rotors - Shimano XT SM-RT86 Rotor - 6-Bolt 203mm - $50 180mm - $40
    https://www.amazon.com/Shimano-Techn.../dp/B008ZTLJJ4


    Front Bracket - Shimano MA-F Disc Brake Mounting Bracket 203mm - $10
    https://www.amazon.com/Shimano-Brake.../dp/B0014GMIZE


    Rear Bracket - Shimano MA-R Disc Brake Mounting Bracket - $12
    https://www.amazon.com/Shimano-MA-R-...t/dp/B00WXYMLA


    Stem - Wren Lightweight Alloy Stems - 6° angle 70mm length - $50
    Wren Lightweight Alloy Stems | Wren Sports


    Headset - FSA Orbit MX Mountain Bike Headset - 1 1/8 Inch Threadless - $40
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000AO5NXU...TB6?th=1&psc=1


    Handlebars - Race Face Atlas FR Riser Handlebar - $62
    https://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Hand...LI/?th=1&psc=1


    Grips - Race Face Half Nelson Locking Grips - $20
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009F9XCGQ


    Dropper Post - DNM Mountain Bike Dropper Seatpost Remote Lockout 31.6mm x 330mm - $180
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00K2PFH5Q


    Saddle - Bikeroo Soft Cushion Saddle - $25
    https://www.amazon.com/Most-Comforta.../dp/B01H60SXAK

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    Do you really need to buy the freehub body seperate from the hub? There are lots of combinations of this hub on ebay for less than the total you have shown.

    On a related note, would you be better off buying a complete wheelset? There are undoubtedly some available that would more or less match what you have speced. This would save you having to figure out spoke lengths and wheelbuilding. Great things to do yourself but potential headaches for sure.
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    have any Canadians order this frame? Just curious how bad you got hit with duties/taxes? Peter (who's awesome BTW) has said that they'd mark the value down and mark it as a sample, but have any Canadians had experience doing this?

    Thanks! he's offering a pretty good package deal on the frame and carbon wheels, which will still amount to much less than even a carbon hardtail frame from some of the mainstream guys. But duties/taxes may make it not worth it overall. (I don't have an issue paying taxes, but the duties are outrageous...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furb710 View Post
    I am going to build my first mountain bike using this frame. I have very little experience with bicycles, but I have compiled a parts list by using advice from this thread and the parts list of a Salsa Bucksaw. Please check it out and give me advice for tweaks that should be made or inform me if I'm missing any parts. Thanks

    Total Cost: $4,255
    There is only one problem with that - it is just too much money. Slightly used Salsa Bucksaws sell all day long in the $2000 to $2800 range. Some with carbon wheels. Some with carbon frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsilvers View Post
    There is only one problem with that - it is just too much money. Slightly used Salsa Bucksaws sell all day long in the $2000 to $2800 range. Some with carbon wheels. Some with carbon frames.
    I'm curious where are you seeing Salsa Bucksaws selling used for that price range?

    I have in my build in that price range with new parts, so not sure why you would want to buy something used when you can have bran spanking new for that price. Plus my bike (and others here) are built to our specs and my bike is spec'd out better (for my use) than the guy I ride with that has a Bucksaw.

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    eBay.


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    Huh I only find three when I searched for Salsa Bucksaw, with the cheapest being $3999.

    I would still rather build than buy but those are some good prices if you can find them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenPsz View Post
    not sure why you would want to buy something used when you can have bran spanking new for that price.
    I am not sure. I would have to see/ride them to know which I prefer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenPsz View Post
    Huh I only find three when I searched for Salsa Bucksaw, with the cheapest being $3999.
    You can't establish value by looking at asking prices. It is better to go by what items actually sold for. I included recently "sold items" in my search.

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    Question?.
    has there been any geometry tweeks improvements or strengthening to the Chinese version of the bucksaw? .
    Or is the cs-001 to date just there best copy.?

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    Hi I'm also a e fat bike fan.
    Currently running a 30 amp standard bbshd from luna .
    My current host bike is a Jamis roughneck 2016 with a bluto .
    Well my 5 week old bluto just crapped out so I'm running hard fork till I get the wren upside-down fork .
    I'm going to hold out a wee bit longer yet for a new bike.
    2017 going to have a few surprises I believe there's a few tricks yet to be revealed.

    I'm looking at one of these frames for my next build. It is up there in the top 3 choices as a Donner bike so far .
    Im keen to wait to see what luna is up to with there new cyclone motor .
    My next bike needs to be matched for thatChinese carbon full suspension fat bike-fb_img_1477986859958.jpg

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    So I am hoping you guys can help me solve and issue I just ran into. I got a really good deal on a set of Origin 8 80mm wheels to put on this bike. Front no problems but the rear a bit of an issue since the spacing on the rear hub is 170mm where is frame is 177mm. Is there a save way I can add spacers etc... to make up the difference?

    The Maxis 4.0 look really awesome on the 80mm rims so much better than the 60mm I did have on it.

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    Hi, 170 rear hub normally is qr axle... You have 177 x 12 rear. Do You have link to these hubs ... the hubs I have HopeEvoPro2 can be convert from 170 qr to 177 x 12

    Qr is 5mm VS X12 is 12 mm

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    Its a 12mm through axle. Ill email origin 8 and see if they have a conversion from 170 to 177

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    XM Carbon loves snow

    Not sure who asked, but STUDDED 4.8" Snow Tires fit the XM Full Suspension frame just fine.
    Running the big Studded tires on both the XM Carbon Rim in a tubeless configuration on the large frame and also on Aluminum rims with tubes on a 19" frame... no problems with snow building up on swing arm or tire hitting chain...
    XM Carbon frames make awesome snow and woods bikes... even with big torque 3000 watt motors in knee deep snow the XM frame keeps going like the Energizer Bunny...
    The 10 speed chain does complain ... the XM carbon bike frame does not
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    Quote Originally Posted by exi View Post
    Not sure who asked, but STUDDED 4.8" Snow Tires fit the XM Full Suspension frame just fine.
    Running the big Studded tires on both the XM Carbon Rim in a tubeless configuration on the large frame and also on Aluminum rims with tubes on a 19" frame... no problems with snow building up on swing arm or tire hitting chain...
    XM Carbon frames make awesome snow and woods bikes... even with big torque 3000 watt motors in knee deep snow the XM frame keeps going like the Energizer Bunny...
    The 10 speed chain does complain ... the XM carbon bike frame does not
    Looks sweet mate

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    Starting building my CS-001
    Just finished snow camo frame job

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    ..now that looks awesome! Wow!

    Happy riding,
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    That is one cool looking frame!!! Was it dipped to get that effect?

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    I had Peter spray the frame white then I bought snow camo vinyl car wrap, I cut out and modified the shapes and applied to the frame.

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    Is everyone's frame still doing good? Does anyone have anything to report?

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    The bikes great and I have run out of things to change on it.

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    me too. runs like a champ

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    Are any of you guys running hydraulic rear brakes on these? How do you run the hydraulic lines to the rear since this frame has internal cable routing?

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    there are guides in the frame that you can pull the hydraulic line through with...same procedure as mechanical brakes

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTMNealio View Post
    Are any of you guys running hydraulic rear brakes on these? How do you run the hydraulic lines to the rear since this frame has internal cable routing?
    I am

    What did was to buy a second hydraulic line and I ran that through the frame using a old piece of shifting cable to help guild the line. Then I took the bike to the LBS to do the final cutting of the line and bleeding of the brake.

    Let me tell you the owner of the LBS gave my bike a dirty look as I rolled it in for the brake work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTMNealio View Post
    Are any of you guys running hydraulic rear brakes on these? How do you run the hydraulic lines to the rear since this frame has internal cable routing?
    Don't know if it will work on these bikes but on my Yampa I took the lever off the brake line, pushed the line through from the rear, trimmed the line put on a new olive and reconnected the lever and line. I intended to bleed the brake after but I really didn't need to and still have not two winters later. Formula R1 brakes. FWIW
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcriverjunky View Post
    I would like to understand more about this broken frame too. Are they trying to say the the rear brace hit the frame and cracked it? Attachment 1098583
    Yes exactly. Happened to many of these frames. That's why they stopped shipping it for such a long time trying to figure out a workaround. The buyers are the R&D for this design. The actual designer, the dude that's banned from mtbr, wouldn't pay the money to get the frame properly tested and certified.

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    980 F2d 506 United States v. Lamere | OpenJurist

    Sammwize don't get suckered into it. LLevant didn't engineer anything except the stickers on the frame. The design failure cracks the seat tube, especially if the shock fails upon compression. Their workaround was not to reinforce the carbon layup. It was to machine a different set of attachment points for the shock itself.

    To make it even more confusing at least three companies in China now produce the same front triangle and then manipulate the rear triangle and bottom bracket design. They stole designs off each other, and stole the initial design off a Lamere prototype and the Salsa Bucksaw. If you trace all the frame geometries back to stack and reach settings, you can tell who copied who. A company in Canada did the research on this and posted the results on their website. The innovators are Salsa and Lamere. The knockoffs are the Chinese companies posted here, two of which are ICAN and CARBONSPEED. The dude making stickers and pasting on frames is LLevant.

    LIFETIME warranty is only how long a vendor is around until it goes under. LLevant doesn't even have a bike shop. For adertising they rotate a few repainted frames, rotate components and throw on different colored stickers. Your main worry is the factory agent, Peter Xu. He is banned here, and probably for good reason. Heard he has had a lot of issues honoring warranties on broken frames.

    I think the Lamere design is about $2k usd and is superior to this stuff, especially in linkage quality and rear triangle options. But Im no spokesman for them after I read post on their online reviews stating the US Secret Service arrested the Lamere brothers for counterfeiting US currency.

    Here is the link : blah! it keeps posting to the top of this reply. Click that link to see the court case

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    Thanks for your sharing. But where did you find the prices?* Did you try to do same things as LLEVANT did? A rebranded company too?* How did they CARBON SPEED and LLEVANT treat you or offend you?* What is your company name?* Where are you from?* Don't try to pretend to help MTBR members, actually you just didn't get what you want from those Chinese companies or LLEVANT I guess.
    People here on the forum almost had different experience as you said, not sure about LLEVANT, I think what you said about them might be true, it seems their frames were from CARBON SPEED, just did stickers to rebrand them. But did you try to learn more about Lamere ? Actually all their frames are from China and made by the same factory who produces frames for CARBON SPEED, I believe the factory name is FLYBIKE. And their carbon rims are made by Light Bicycle. Even FRAMED and 9:zero:7 frames, their frames are made by the factory from Xiamen, its name is STREN.
    The KHS, VPACE, Fatbiker.RU are using same frames made by a factory called DNK from Shanghai city I believe.
    https://www.facebook.com/alexey.kuzn...51223201985227

    One of my friends lives in Shenzhen, China, same as that guy owns the blue CARBON SPEED FS fat bike, they know more details than most of us members. At least CARBON SPEED sells frames directly to individual buyers, what Peter tried to do in 2013, check the 1st post in this thread: Chinese Carbon fatty, and most of us had great experiences on trading with Peter Xu, he recalled his first batch defective FS fat bike frames from his clients , then his company resent new strengthened layup frames to them, Martyj77 and other guys should know this . I don't have the FS bike but FM190 from him for almost 2 years, no problem so far.* Dude, I believe you must be a rebrand company same as LLEVANT but you didn't have smooth transaction with Chinese companies?

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    I am one of those that bought into the original 25 frames and got a lot of grief from this forum for being a sucker about buying in. But the bike I build with this frame is the best bike I have ever owned and I am sure a Mutz would be better but that frame alone would cost almost as much as my whole bike. So I am a happy customer that has had nothing but positive interactions with Peter and the frame is a good one and I am enjoying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenPsz View Post
    I am one of those that bought into the original 25 frames and got a lot of grief from this forum for being a sucker about buying in. But the bike I build with this frame is the best bike I have ever owned and I am sure a Mutz would be better but that frame alone would cost almost as much as my whole bike. So I am a happy customer that has had nothing but positive interactions with Peter and the frame is a good one and I am enjoying it.
    You shouldn't have been given any grief from anyone if the frames were properly certified in the beginning. Xu has to be nice to you, as you are a R&D tester for him, using your own money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allenc View Post
    Thanks for your sharing. But where did you find the prices?* Did you try to do same things as LLEVANT did? A rebranded company too?* How did they CARBON SPEED and LLEVANT treat you or offend you?* What is your company name?* Where are you from?* Don't try to pretend to help MTBR members, actually you just didn't get what you want from those Chinese companies or LLEVANT I guess.
    People here on the forum almost had different experience as you said, not sure about LLEVANT, I think what you said about them might be true, it seems their frames were from CARBON SPEED, just did stickers to rebrand them. But did you try to learn more about Lamere ? Actually all their frames are from China and made by the same factory who produces frames for CARBON SPEED, I believe the factory name is FLYBIKE. And their carbon rims are made by Light Bicycle. Even FRAMED and 9:zero:7 frames, their frames are made by the factory from Xiamen, its name is STREN.
    The KHS, VPACE, Fatbiker.RU are using same frames made by a factory called DNK from Shanghai city I believe.
    https://www.facebook.com/alexey.kuzn...51223201985227

    One of my friends lives in Shenzhen, China, same as that guy owns the blue CARBON SPEED FS fat bike, they know more details than most of us members. At least CARBON SPEED sells frames directly to individual buyers, what Peter tried to do in 2013, check the 1st post in this thread: Chinese Carbon fatty, and most of us had great experiences on trading with Peter Xu, he recalled his first batch defective FS fat bike frames from his clients , then his company resent new strengthened layup frames to them, Martyj77 and other guys should know this . I don't have the FS bike but FM190 from him for almost 2 years, no problem so far.* Dude, I believe you must be a rebrand company same as LLEVANT but you didn't have smooth transaction with Chinese companies?
    No I would never try to badge engineer a brand line using uncertified frames. That's just dumb. Liability issues would kill anyone trying to make it a business. Prices are emailed to all of us. Seems they quote different prices for different potential customers.

    You are right on most of those overseas factories. Missed a few because some brands use more than one factory.

    Anyone that buys an R&D bike from Peter Xu should get great customer service. It is their own money and time that is testing his products out and saving him from proper certification routes. You will notice if you talk amongst owners that several versions of any given frame will exist at any given time, yet they will advertise only "one" version online and not hint at all the others. That's why some have had issues with linkage and routing.

    It's nice to see carbon factories opening in the US and Germany that can handle bike fabrication. Good sign for the global economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wovk View Post
    You shouldn't have been given any grief from anyone if the frames were properly certified in the beginning. Xu has to be nice to you, as you are a R&D tester for him, using your own money.
    That is OK since I knew the risks of what was going on. Sure I could've waited for others to test or for Peter to pay someone to test the frames but I decided I would rather get in early. When someone tells you they are making 25 of something you know pretty much it is a roll the dice.

    As it ended up I got a great bike frame at a really good price that to me is a win/win!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenPsz View Post
    That is OK since I knew the risks of what was going on. Sure I could've waited for others to test or for Peter to pay someone to test the frames but I decided I would rather get in early. When someone tells you they are making 25 of something you know pretty much it is a roll the dice.

    As it ended up I got a great bike frame at a really good price that to me is a win/win!
    It is good to know the frame you bought worked out for your needs. That's how it should be. Quality control should be high standards. You can stand behind your investment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allenc View Post
    How did they CARBON SPEED and LLEVANT treat you or offend you?* What is your company name?* Where are you from?* Don't try to pretend to help MTBR members, actually you just didn't get what you want from those Chinese companies or LLEVANT I guess.
    People here on the forum almost had different experience as you said, not sure about LLEVANT, I think what you said about them might be true, it seems their frames were from CARBON SPEED, just did stickers to rebrand them.
    Missed this part. allenc LLevant posted pictures and geometry charts on their website. If you hover the mouse or right-click on some of them, that is how I saw the CS197 and CS01 badged into the JPG names for the Nero and the Perno. (You can embed metadata into JPGs). From there with Google's help, it was very obvious the Dude is getting his frames from Bella and Xu at Carbonspeed. I also saw TimeTec listed in metadata on the site. You wanted name drops, so there are some for LLevant.

    As for the frame cracks on the CS01/CS001, one of the first reports of it was in South or Central America. A racing team posted pics online. Within the pics were the GPS coordinates of the place the photo was taken. From there, the racing team and beta testers became known. Then the problem for Carbonspeed expanded until workaround was found. They asked to pull the online pics, but not in time for Google to crawl and log them. If you know where and how to look, the information is out there for almost everything.

    Framed bikes said they use KHS molds but not sure I believe that one for two reasons. The paint quality on Framed bikes does not match up to KHS Kinesis standards. The geometry is off from KHS molds, so it makes more sense they are using STREN / 907 molds. More rebranders keep popping up using 907 molds, seems the flood gates opened on that one.

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    Holy angry guy out of the blue. My Carbonspeed CS-001 is incredible.

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    Had my CS001 for a few months and couldn't be happier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acetechm3 View Post
    Had my CS001 for a few months and couldn't be happier.
    It's funny after my ride today I was going to post something similar. I always get questions about this bike and how cool it looks.

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    Have any of you guys done big drops and/or jumps on these ? Or do most use them for XC riding?

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    First thing I did with mine was to ride off a retaining wall about 3 foot high about 20 times at my winter weight of 230 lbs. since then it's been all XC

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    Mine is mostly ridden all mountain I guess you would consider it. Since to me XC is smooth trails and I like rocks, roots and downhills, but not so much drops or jumps. I'm a bit to old for jumping and drops (never could get the hang of it) but I do love crashing this bike through a rock garden.

    I'm also around the 230 lb mark dressed out for riding.
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    I have done numerous jumping sessions with my skills coach, using cs001. Off jumps about 2feet high. No problems doing that at all, it jumps well. I have also noted the frame is very stiff laterally. Not sure if I would do jumps much bigger than that.

    Jono

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