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    Chinese Carbon fatty

    There's a huge thread over in the 29er forum about carbon Chinese 29er frames. Based on the thread it seems like they've been pretty successful, I can't say I've read all 255(!) pages, but generally people seem pretty happy with the bikes. Basically it looks like a direct sale model where the manufacturer in China sells direct to the public.

    I emailed Peter, who is quite active in the 29er forum, asking if they were considering a fat bike, he responded very quickly saying that they were in the process of making the molds for a fat bike. The 29er frames are going for about $450, if the fat bike is in that range, that's a pretty cheap carbon fat bike frame!

    I sent a follow up email asking for more details about the frames (hub width, geometry, axles). I'll post up when I get a response.

    I'm loving my FB4, every ride is so much fun, but I keep thinking about making it lighter, the weird thing is that I never even think about making my RIP9 lighter. I guess I know I have my RIP where it needs to be from a strength perspective, but the Fatty doesn't see much/any air time, I figure it can be lighter.

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    Salted Bikes in Aus Salted Bikes| FATbikes| Australia are selling a carbon fat bike that looks 100% the same as the Borealis Yampa, so at least one company is making and supplying carbon fat frames.

    Please press on with your enquiries, lightweight affordable carbon fat bikes cannot be that far away.

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    Looks good. That bb shell looks small?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keyhavenpotterer View Post
    Salted Bikes in Aus Salted Bikes| FATbikes| Australia are selling a carbon fat bike that looks 100% the same as the Borealis Yampa,
    I took a look at pics of both and they appear to be similar (like many carbon frames) but definitely not the same. On the other hand, Salted Bikes does sell the "fork with many names" with their own name thrown on it.

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    Looks like a 190mm rear spacing

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    Very interesting.
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    Do you have any contact info for him? I'd definitely be up for one.

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    However, it sounds like the molds they are making will be based on these designs. I asked him to let me know when they are making their own to sell.

    His name is PeterQ520 on mtbr and he has his email address in all his posts (peter@xmiplay.cn).
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    The frame looks a lot like the 907 Whiteout Carbon McGrath, they both have the 12mm thru axle rear

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    Has there been any mention of carbon rims from this supplier?

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    many of the existing high priced carbon name brands are already "chinese carbons"

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    @speedyj: They make 29er carbon rims, it doesn't look like they do fatty rims (yet)

    @boogman: indeed, I think most carbon bikes are made in China, I was distinguishing these as being sold from China - from a Chinese company.

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    Nice...

    Super intrigued. Subscribed.

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    About the only way I could ever afford a carbon bike of any sort is if it's one of these. I'm interested in this, and I don't even like Carbon. But these chinese carbon frames are cheap!

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    Ick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoPlayOutside View Post
    The frame looks a lot like the 907 Whiteout Carbon McGrath, they both have the 12mm thru axle rear
    Yep you're right they cost $2300 pre order just for the frameChinese Carbon fatty-907-carbon-frameset-large.jpg

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    Oh yes. Yes yes yes. Rims yes, fork yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puchcobra View Post
    Yep you're right they cost $2300 pre order just for the frameClick image for larger version. 

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    Subscribed and interested.
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    A couple guys make carbon rims NEW! Borealis CARBONdale Rims! | FAT-BIKE.COM

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    Hmm never noticed but he's a troll I only use links with info not spam, check out his history with the reputation thread?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by puchcobra View Post
    Hmm never noticed but he's a troll I only use links with info not spam, check out his history with the reputation thread?!?
    Rep is anonymous, so I can't see what you see; i.e. I don't know what you're talking about, but clearly some here are enamored of their ability to hand out negative rep. I gave you +rep, but it doesn't count for anything as I have no "rep power" and some would apparently like to keep it that way. Personally, I only hand out +rep.
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    Thanks on with the show more fat bike links please

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    Does the 907 mold fit Bud and Lou on clownshoes?

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    I chatted with the factory rep just now. He said the frames are currently produced and being tested. Once they are fully tested they will appear on the website for sale.

    He anticipates that will be in 2-3 months.

    He declined to answer my 170mm/190mm question, and also said they cannot quote prices yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddslacker View Post
    He declined to answer my 170mm/190mm question...
    Just curious, what question was that?
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    I'm going to bed dreaming about a carbon fatty with custom paint....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikefat View Post
    Just curious, what question was that?
    You know Very well 'what question'
    Ground pressure? Any scientist out there?

    Stop being a troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tincup69 View Post
    I'm going to bed dreaming about a carbon fatty with custom paint....
    Paraphrased quote from The Princess Bride:
    Sleep well, and dream of large tires!

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddslacker View Post
    You know Very well 'what question'
    Ground pressure? Any scientist out there?

    Stop being a troll.
    Hope you were kidding, as that was a sincere question on my part, not trolling. My biggest "unknown" regarding fatbikes, is the tradeoff between 170/190 -- I'm new to fatbiking and genuinely trying to learn, hence my questions, even if they seem stupid.
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    I simply asked him if they are offering the frame in 170mm or 190mm. He was unable to answer until their prototyping is done.

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    Thank you.
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    I am just happy there will be another nice used steel or aluminum frame available to me soon as people flock to the carbon!!

    I can hear a Moonie in my Future!
    My bike is heavier than yours - it does not have Carbon or Titanium parts - I love it!

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    Looks very good and would be awesome to see more specs/details

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    It seems strange that they can't answer the 170/190 question? I mean its one or the other, you can't easily swap between the two with a carbon mold. To me those frames in the pictures look to be 190.

    Anyway, I'm looking forward to the launch date and seeing what pricing looks like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willapajames View Post
    About the only way I could ever afford a carbon bike of any sort is if it's one of these. I'm interested in this, and I don't even like Carbon. But these chinese carbon frames are cheap!

    That's how I justified spending the extra to go Ti. My Grandma Estelle always told me she was "too cheap to buy twice."

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    The 907 was designed around 100mm rims and 26x5" tires

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    Hopefully this frame can take 29er+. It would be a really nice added feature and would make an terrific lightweight 29er+.

    Here's a picture of the Borealis Yampa with two bikes shown, one fat and one 29er+.



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    Carbona!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OFFcourse View Post
    Carbona!
    Not glue?

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    Chinese Carbon fatty

    Hmmmm....

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    From what I can tell, this is a link to the company web site Xiamen Iplay Sporting Goods Co.,Ltd.
    They make some very nice products, just had a quick look now

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikefat View Post
    My biggest "unknown" regarding fatbikes, is the tradeoff between 170/190.
    170 = narrower Q-factor, but 5" tires on 100 mm rims are difficult to fit without skewing chainline. (170 mm rear hubs are the symmetric version of 17.5 mm offset rear.)
    190 = wider Q-factor, but will readily accept 5" tires on 100 mm rims. (These are the symmetric version of 28 mm offset.)

    Offset (or a wider hub) means the cassette is moved to the right so the chain gets straight to the chainring without rubbing on the tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saul Lumikko View Post
    170 = narrower Q-factor, but 5" tires on 100 mm rims are difficult to fit without skewing chainline. (170 mm rear hubs are the symmetric version of 17.5 mm offset rear.)
    190 = wider Q-factor, but will readily accept 5" tires on 100 mm rims. (These are the symmetric version of 28 mm offset.)

    Offset (or a wider hub) means the cassette is moved to the right so the chain gets straight to the chainring without rubbing on the tire.
    As per the 3 other threads on this topic.... Race Face Turbine 170 and other 1x integrated ring cranks can be used and keep the same q factor and a reasonable chainline while running clownshoes 100 mm rims and bud and lou.

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