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    Quote Originally Posted by tristero View Post
    Nevermind on the headset. I got that sorted out. In my excitement to put the bike together I forgot that I ordered a headset with the frame!

    HOWEVER,
    Again this is my first carbon bike and for anyone who put this together do you run the cable housing all the way through the frame of the bike or just up near the headset and Outback near the rear derailleur? So like two pieces that are maybe 12 inches each maximum. Because I can't seem to run my 4 millimeter cable through there. Thank you!
    Two 12" pieces? That sounds odd as heck. It's likely like all other carbon frames with internal cables, they run the housing AND the cable inside the frame. It's slightly tricky to run the cable housing through, but a lot easier with no bottom bracket and no headset. Run them from the rear up above the BB up through the downtube, then you'll be able to fish them through the ports fairly easily near the headtube. It also helps if you pop the little ports off, but you need to make sure you run the cable housing through the ports before and after putting the housing through the frame. At some point, you'll probably forget this and miss one of the ports and have to yank the cables out to put it back through. Part of the learning process.
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    Just got my dengfu fm191. We're you able to run the shifting cable completely through the frame? Mine seems to stop the entire housing right up at the head tube and chainatays, so that I could only run from shifter to frame, and RD to frame...like 2 separate 12 inch pieces...?

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    On my SN02 I was putting just cable into frame housing for rear shifter, there was no way to put additional housing there as input/exit holes were few mm wide (like 1 or 2mm), and input/exit caps are part of the frame (non removable). I was using housing caps on each frame exit side (they fit nicely into input/exit caps of frame) and added external housing to run to shifter and derailer. Works great.
    I guess it depends on frame design, some require housing inside some not (provide builtin one).


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    I just finished building a my 3rd dengfu fat bike and it was a FM191. the housing stopped at the frame inlet and just the cable goes through the frame. my first FM190 is about 2 years old now and i have no issues with the shifting from this setup. and it looks really clean too


    Quote Originally Posted by tristero View Post
    Just got my dengfu fm191. We're you able to run the shifting cable completely through the frame? Mine seems to stop the entire housing right up at the head tube and chainatays, so that I could only run from shifter to frame, and RD to frame...like 2 separate 12 inch pieces...?
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    12k carbon is still not available yet?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Code Runner View Post
    Just dropping in to share my experience. After a quick bit of research, I decided to pick up a CS-197 frame and fork. I emailed Peter on January 31'st, got a quote 24 hours later and ordered the frame shortly thereafter. It shipped on February 7th and arrived at my post office on February 14th.

    The box was sturdy...





    And it was well packaged.





    The frame itself was finished well as was the fork.



    The cable ports were of a better quality than I've seen on many mainstream manufactures frames.



    The axles and dropout "chips" were of an acceptable quality, but not something I would brag about.



    I built it up with a Bud and Lou on 80mm carbon hoops laced to Hope Pro 4 hubs.
    Sram NX cassette
    X-1 Chain
    GX rear derailleur
    X1 Shifter
    Turbine Cinch crankset (190) with 30t chainring
    Crank Brothers Candy pedals
    Guide RS Brakes
    180mm front rotor
    160mm rear rotor
    Atlas handlebars @780mm
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    Cane Creek 40 series headset
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    I'm in the upper 20's for weight.

    I have about 60-100 miles on it and I'm pretty impressed so far. I have the dropouts in the rear/long position. I'm enjoying the added stability of the longer wheelbase, but I may move them forward for some added agility. We're expecting temperatures in the low 60's for the foreseeable future, so I may not get out on it again this season. Let me know if you have any questions.











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    Anybody fit a Vee Snowshoe 2XL on the CS-197?

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    In doing a google search for the CS-197 it seems there are multiple vendors with the name CarbonSpeed. There is XMCarbonspeed that seems to be the Peter that people are generally happy doing business with and Carbon Speed Bikes | High quality carbon fiber bicycle frames and components that also sells the CS-197 or al least something with the same name. Carbonspeedbikes has a CS-197 on sale for $380 which is attractive but it may not be a vendor with positve feedback here on MTBR. The MTBR search engine finds the phrase Carbonspeedbikes too common to give results.

    Any insight for me on these two sellers?

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    Mike,

    That's a great question. Both sites have the same contact info. This begs the question as to why they have two web sites ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by plasmaguy View Post
    Mike,

    That's a great question. Both sites have the same contact info. This begs the question as to why they have two web sites ???
    I guess I'll find out. Ordered from Carbon Speed Bikes | High quality carbon fiber bicycle frames and components

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_kelly View Post
    Yes it appears they are both owned by Peter. Order placed and very responsive.

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    Pretty amazing service for a custom paint job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_kelly View Post
    Pretty amazing service for a custom paint job.
    Hey Mike!
    How long did it take you to get your frame shipped from CarbonSpeed/Peter?

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    7 working days. That was with Peter going to the 2017 Taipei Cycle show last week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_kelly View Post
    7 working days. That was with Peter going to the 2017 Taipei Cycle show last week.
    So frame arrived today. Perfect shape. Beautiful paint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjcarr View Post
    Pics?
    PIc a couple of posts up is the actual frame and it came wrapped just the pics from code runner. A picture Peter sent before it was shipped. The color is a little lighter than the pic which is what my wife wanted.

    The headset from Peter was/is pretty cheap and the bottom bearing fell apart on me. It is the same stock headset that came with my 9zero7. So may be just a bad bearing.

    I am a little confused on the crown bearing. The crown on the fork is not flat, like for instance my AL fork on my 9zero7. there is a tapered carbon cone coming up to the point that the crown race sits. So the crown race does not sit on the top of the crown flat. I can't see it working any other way and maybe all carbon forks are designed this way but it seems strange.

    JJCarr I see you have one maybe you can tell me where I am screwed up. Others in this thread are not looking like they fit like this one, or at least the way I am trying to do it.
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    The race should be tapered as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akgrimace View Post
    The race should be tapered as well.

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    So it does not look like the right crown race to you. Should be something much larger that has a tapered cone to fit over the carbon and then the surface the bearing fits into above?

    Is this different than others CS-197 fork crown? Anyone know what the correct race is? I assume it is a IS42/52 but what would the crown race be called?

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    You probably don't need th crown race. Guessing you tried without one

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    I did but it still doesn't look "right". Other pictures in this thread show a pretty tight crown-to-heatube connection. Without a crown race the bearing fits but there is still an 1/8" gap or more.

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    I have a semi-integrated 52 that fits perfectly to the crown but, of course, does not fit the headtube side. I am wondering if this is just the wrong fork for this frame.
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    It measures out to me to be an IS42/28.6 - IS52/40, It is a FK-019 so it goes with this frame and I am just unfamiliar with what looks to be a built-in crown race. Must need a spacer of some kind to sit under the bearing to take up the gap?

    After hours of study I have come to conclusion that this fork has a built-in carbon crown race. It is designed to have the bearing sit right onto it. But I still don't see how it is supposed to fit properly which other users seem to have accomplished. If you have one of these please clue me in.

    In looking at my pictures again I wonder if the lower bearing is a 36 low and 45 high bearing. The crown race appears to be 45deg to me and it might not fit down enough if the under bevel was 36 instead of 45. Not sure how to measure that tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_kelly View Post
    So it does not look like the right crown race to you. Should be something much larger that has a tapered cone to fit over the carbon and then the surface the bearing fits into above?

    Is this different than others CS-197 fork crown? Anyone know what the correct race is? I assume it is a IS42/52 but what would the crown race be called?
    My SN01 was the same way. The inside of the race was tapered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akgrimace View Post
    My SN01 was the same way. The inside of the race was tapered.

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    SO you did not use a metal lower crown race and did the lower bearing fit over the molded in carbon crown race with out a noticable gap when you put it all together?

    Thanks

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    Hi Mike,

    I have cs-197 with a FK-019 and supplied headset from Peter. The lower bearing just sits on top on the fork. So there is no crown race as such.

    From what I remember the assembly went top to bottom like this ->

    1. Top cover
    2. thin washer
    3. conical split washer *
    4. Top bearing race *
    5. Head tube of frame
    6. Bottom bearing race *
    7. Fork

    * Grease applied where needed

    When I did have the FK-019 fork on the bike was no big gap and looked prefect.

    If you can't get it together I would bet you have the wrong headset.



    Quote Originally Posted by mike_kelly View Post
    SO you did not use a metal lower crown race and did the lower bearing fit over the molded in carbon crown race with out a noticable gap when you put it all together?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by LurkerJono View Post
    Hi Mike,

    I have cs-197 with a FK-019 and supplied headset from Peter. The lower bearing just sits on top on the fork. So there is no crown race as such.

    From what I remember the assembly went top to bottom like this ->

    1. Top cover
    2. thin washer
    3. conical split washer *
    4. Top bearing race *
    5. Head tube of frame
    6. Bottom bearing race *
    7. Fork

    * Grease applied where needed

    When I did have the FK-019 fork on the bike was no big gap and looked prefect.

    If you can't get it together I would bet you have the wrong headset.

    Thanks very much for your response
    My lower bearing fits flush in to the lower heatube so it is the right thickness and the top bevel matches the frame. As you can see from one of the pictures above if I put the bottom bearing onto the crown race, without using the metal crown race in the package sent, the bearing does not sit down onto the fork crown as I would expect. Hence if I put it into the frame that way the bearing goes up flush and there is the gap illustrated in the picture above. It is the right diameter bearing so the only thing left is that the inner bevel does not match the crown race. I bought the headset from Peter to avoid this kind of problem. I guess I will have to find a couple of 52mm bearings one advertising 45deg inner and one 36deg inner bevel and see if one fits better than the other since there are no labels on the bearings supplied. Do you happen to remember if the bearing sat down onto the main body of the fork as it settled onto the crown race or was it suspended above part way down the crown race like mine?

    Cheers

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    Isn't that just an integrated crown race?



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    The lower bearing sat on the main body of the fork. Have checked with Peter? He is very helpful.


    Quote Originally Posted by mike_kelly View Post
    TDo you happen to remember if the bearing sat down onto the main body of the fork as it settled onto the crown race or was it suspended above part way down the crown race like mine?
    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by LurkerJono View Post
    The lower bearing sat on the main body of the fork. Have checked with Peter? He is very helpful.
    Great thanks for that note. I think now I need to search for the right bottom bearing. Peter doesn't know but he is going to have another user like you let me know their experience but there is no question this is the wrong lower bearing. Thanks again.

    LeDuke - yes it is an integrated carbon crown race but the lower bearing does not fit.

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    there are 2 different bearing contact angles 45x45 degree or 36x45 degree. the manufacture should be able to point you the correct headset
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    I figured it out. The problem with the bearing that Peter supplied was not that the bevel was wrong. It was the wrong thickness. I talked to Cane Creek (thanks Craig!!) and the Cane Creek bearing of the same general specs 45x45 52mm is not as "tall". It sits on the built-in carbon crown race to the same depth as the supplied bearing but the difference is that the Cane Creek goes up into the headtube further which closes the gap. The supplied bearing when up and was flush with the bottom of the headtube but the Cane Creek bearing went up into the headtube allowing the top of the fork the proper gap to the headtube.

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    CS-197 and Vee Rubber Snowshoe 2XL

    It did not look like there was an answer to this question so here is a half answer.

    My 9zero7 won't fit a 2XL in the back but I use one in the front. So I took my front wheel and put the thru axle on it in the back of the CS-197. It looks like the 2XL would fit with ease.

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    My wife did not like the black decals available from Peter so I had some made by www.diylettering.com with her choices. Also I tried a e.13 xcx fat bike crank double for 100mm BB and the arms are too straight and don't clear the stays.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_kelly View Post
    It did not look like there was an answer to this question so here is a half answer.

    My 9zero7 won't fit a 2XL in the back but I use one in the front. So I took my front wheel and put the thru axle on it in the back of the CS-197. It looks like the 2XL would fit with ease.
    Thanks Mike, Is that on 80mm rims or 100mm?

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    90mm Spesh Fatboys. I am building up pair of 100mm wheels for my new bike and I'll try them when I get them built.

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    Does anyone have the reach/stack dimensions for the small size CSN019. The geometry table doesn't list reach/stack and my email to Carbon speed bounced back.
    CS-N019 26er full carbon fat bike frame frame 150*15mm/190*10mm QR/197*12mm axle - Xiamen Carbon Speed Sport Goods Co.,Ltd

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    Final report on CS-197

    Meets the approval of my better half.
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    Quite honestly not to my taste (its a shame the two greens dont match better ), but well done, bet thats a heap of brownie points
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    "heap of brownie points:

    EXACTLY!

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    Pretty cool!
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