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    Quote Originally Posted by traditiionalist View Post
    Could you measure from the chainstay to the other side? I'm trying to figure out if my current cranks will work.
    can't measure the cranks like that, but someone else tried Aeffect cranks and said he had only 1-2mm clearance and would bump under load. I have 5-6mm of clearance on each side with the Turbine Cinch, plus it's supposed to be stiffer.

    With the Cinch system the Q-factor is set by the spindle length and not adjustable. Spacers are used to set the BB cup spacing and/or to shift the cranks left or right. Once within ~1mm, the threaded pre-load nut is used to take out the slop and pre-load the BB bearings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjcarr View Post
    Got my CS-197 frameset and 85mm wheelset. Looking forward to building it up.
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    Thanks fred, I think I might just bite the bullet and get the carbon speed full suspension fatty frame. I do a lot of jumps and drops, and this frame would suit my needs pretty good. Once I have the money together, I'll purchase it. Do the carbon speed bikes come with thru axles?

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    Mine came with the axles, but confirm when purchasing.

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    Here is my build thread. Goal was a relatively light weight fat bike I could ride anytime of the year here in New England, so here goes:

    After some research I settled on the Carbonspeed 197. I had emailed with Peter about frames and wheelsets and found him to be quite responsive. So I ordered the frame, 029 fork, axles, headset and a 68mm carbon wheelset. Everything arrived about 10 days after ordering. I have to say I was very impressed with how well everything was packed. Wheels came in their own box. It took me a good 15 minutes just to removed the bubble wrap from the frame. Everything looked great. No blemishes. Everything looks finished to a high degree.

    My parts list:

    Jumbo Jim 4.0 tires tubeless
    RaceFace Next SL crank/BB with a 28T
    RF Next bars
    FSA SL-K stem
    FSA SL-K post
    XTR brakes/Ice tech rotors
    SRAM XX1 shifter/cassette/chain/derailleur
    Selle Italia SLR saddle
    Time Atac xc-4 pedals

    Routing the shifter housing was a slight pain. Definitely easiest back to front. Those chainstays are narrow! Brake line much easier. Awaiting a stem before cutting the steerer tube. Wt. 23.4lbs.

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    cevans like idparts?

    Fat bike related, I am about to order a cs-197 frame. I have a RM Blizzard but my heart's been on a carbon frame for a while.

    I saw somebody mention a 180 rotor on the back. Is it possible to just fun a 160?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbiker423 View Post
    cevans like idparts?

    Fat bike related, I am about to order a cs-197 frame. I have a RM Blizzard but my heart's been on a carbon frame for a while.

    I saw somebody mention a 180 rotor on the back. Is it possible to just fun a 160?
    I thought that poster followed up that his mount adapter was reversed? Regardless, I test fit mine and it's aligned for a 160mm rotor.

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    Ah, I had missed that. Additionally, thanks for taking the effort to check yours.

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    I have a FM190 and i am looking for a quick release seat post clamp. Does anyone have one they recommend and know will fit. I just want a black one and not sure expensive if possible.

    thank you for your help.

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    Starting a new build with the new DengFu FM191 frame. the frame has not arrived but i did get the new 65mm carbon wheels. finish is awesome and the weight is pretty good. the spokes are straight gauge so there is some weight to be lost there. I put all the bits and pieces on them and mounted the JJ 4.0 LS tires. the 4.0 looks to give good rim protection and and a nice rounded profile. should be super fast this summer.

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    My CS 197 frame came on Friday so I've been building it up this weekend. I have the Next SL G4 crankset with 170mm arms and 170mm spindle spacing. I have millimeters of clearance for the arms (maybe 3mm) and much less once I put the little crank boots on. It certainly isn't as much as what people are posting with the Turbine Cinch @ 170mm spacing. Should I ride it and see how it goes, or just spring for the 190mm spindle? I'm a light rider, maybe 130# fully kitted.

    BB setup: one spacer on NDS, 2 on Drive side
    Crank: 1 spacer NDS, 1 spacer DS

    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbiker423 View Post
    My CS 197 frame came on Friday so I've been building it up this weekend. I have the Next SL G4 crankset with 170mm arms and 170mm spindle spacing. I have millimeters of clearance for the arms (maybe 3mm) and much less once I put the little crank boots on. It certainly isn't as much as what people are posting with the Turbine Cinch @ 170mm spacing. Should I ride it and see how it goes, or just spring for the 190mm spindle? I'm a light rider, maybe 130# fully kitted.

    BB setup: one spacer on NDS, 2 on Drive side
    Crank: 1 spacer NDS, 1 spacer DS

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    When did you order yours? I ordered mine in January and still hasn't arrive?

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    You should ride it and let us know if there's any flex.

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    The Turbine's have a +20mm wider Q factor. So I'd assume the inside clearance has got to be close to +20mm as well.

    The 190mm next SL may not be that much wider than a 170mm Turbine.



    Quote Originally Posted by xbiker423 View Post
    My CS 197 frame came on Friday so I've been building it up this weekend. I have the Next SL G4 crankset with 170mm arms and 170mm spindle spacing. I have millimeters of clearance for the arms (maybe 3mm) and much less once I put the little crank boots on. It certainly isn't as much as what people are posting with the Turbine Cinch @ 170mm spacing. Should I ride it and see how it goes, or just spring for the 190mm spindle? I'm a light rider, maybe 130# fully kitted.

    BB setup: one spacer on NDS, 2 on Drive side
    Crank: 1 spacer NDS, 1 spacer DS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash04 View Post
    When did you order yours? I ordered mine in January and still hasn't arrive?
    Weird. I ordered it I think the first week of Feb. If I were you, I'd get in touch with the seller. Good luck with it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidd View Post
    You should ride it and let us know if there's any flex.
    I think I may end up doing that, but since I'm placing a parts order I'm going to throw a 190 spindle on the list just in case. I wish there was a 180 version offered.

    Quote Originally Posted by neons97 View Post
    The Turbine's have a +20mm wider Q factor. So I'd assume the inside clearance has got to be close to +20mm as well.

    The 190mm next SL may not be that much wider than a 170mm Turbine.
    I was really stoked to have a smaller Q factor and ridiculously light cranks, but it doesn't seem that I'll be able to have my cake and eat it, too. The Turbine q factor in 170 spindle length is smaller than the Next in 190 (which makes sense). I guess I will just have to deal with the larger Q of the SL @ 190mm. I'm really hoping that it doesn't flex and I can keep it at 170. Unfortunately, I ordered the wrong headset for the frame so I'm waiting on that to come in before I can finish the build.

    Thanks for the input, y'all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbiker423 View Post
    Weird. I ordered it I think the first week of Feb. If I were you, I'd get in touch with the seller. Good luck with it!
    Wow! that was quick, I ordered mine thru Peter, it's on the way but didn't leave there till the 16th after I bug him a couple of times since he told me that it was going to be ship on the 7th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash04 View Post
    Wow! that was quick, I ordered mine thru Peter, it's on the way but didn't leave there till the 16th after I bug him a couple of times since he told me that it was going to be ship on the 7th.
    I thought so, too. It only took five days to get here, too (I'm in VT). Overall I was satisfied with the process. Peter seemed pretty good to deal with. I went with EMS shipping, and they end up being delivered via USPS.

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    FWIW, My Yampa chainstay clearance is 4.5 mm drive side and 5.5 mm non drive side with boots and 170 spindle on Next SL. It never rubs.
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    My Turbine arms with 170 spindle have ~3mm of clearance on my CS-197, with the plastic end caps on the cranks. I can't believe there is a 20mm difference in Q-factor from the Next SL cranks. That simply has to be a typo.

    I will add that I can't detect any flex in the frame nor the cranks.

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    From the PDF I've found it's a 10mm difference

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    Quote Originally Posted by neons97 View Post
    The Turbine's have a +20mm wider Q factor. So I'd assume the inside clearance has got to be close to +20mm as well.

    The 190mm next SL may not be that much wider than a 170mm Turbine.
    No.
    The actual arms have 10mm difference, and RF have made it so they don't share the same q

    Next sl: 169,5mm spindle = 203mm q
    Turbines: 169,5mm spindle = 213mm q
    Next sl: 189,5mm spindle = 223mm q
    Turbines: 189,5mm spindle = 233mm q

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    I don't think I could run Next SL cranks on my CS-197 without the longer spindle. I'm certain that I couldn't lose 5mm on each side. Luckily for me I prefer the Turbines.

    Fred

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    I just got the bike finished tonight and I went for a quick spin. There definitely isn't enough clearance for 170mm spaced Next SL crank on the CS 197 frameset. So I'm going to have to swap it out for the 190mm spindle. Bummer. At least it's light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbiker423 View Post
    I just got the bike finished tonight and I went for a quick spin. There definitely isn't enough clearance for 170mm spaced Next SL crank on the CS 197 frameset. So I'm going to have to swap it out for the 190mm spindle. Bummer. At least it's light.
    That sucks, indications seemed to be that 170s would fit if you were going to run a 1x setup. I went with the 190 just in case, but afterwards was starting to regret it, as I thought I could have gotten away with a 170. Will be installing tonight.
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    Maybe without the crank boots it would work. And you might be able to stick a really thin shim to help space things out? If they had the same Q as the turbines, it would work. Or a 180mm spindle.

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    Anyways, got the CS-197 built up tonight. Went together pretty well. Pics tomorrow. Front triangle is bigger, so I need a bigger revelate bag, even though I had a size "L". Relatively easy to run internal cables when you're starting with a bare frame, no need to drop the fork, take the cranks out, etc.

    22.69lbs in race config with 65mm rims and dillinger 4s.

    I just rebuilt my 90mm LB rim this morning with a 197 hub for my D5s, those will go back on as soon as my tubeless tape is set.

    Size large frame was 1396g on my postal scale.

    Set up like in picture:
    135mm Lamere carbon fork (see no reason to go 150 at this time)
    XTR M9000 rear derailleur
    XTR M9000 brakes
    XT M8000 shifter pod
    XT pedals
    Next SL cranks (190mm) 32t
    RF 30mm BSA BB
    CB cobalt 780mm carbon bar
    No-name carbon seatpost
    Selle san marco aspide saddle

    Wheels:
    F LB 65mm rim, sapim laser spokes, alloy nipples, hope fatsno pro 4
    R LB 65mm rim, sapim laser spokes, alloy nipples, DT 350 with 1up mini-driver
    Hope 10-40 cassette
    Ashima Ai2 rotors
    Dillinger 4 tires

    alternate

    F LB 90mm rim, sapim laser spokes, alloy nipples, hope fassno pro 2
    R LB 90mm rim, sapim laser spokes, alloy nipples, hope fatsno pro 4
    w/XTR 11-40 cassette
    Ashima AirRotors
    Dillinger 5 tires

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    Sweet, did yours came with pre-routed cables which makes it easier to route your cables? Also did you need to drill out the guides so the cables could fit, had to on mine. The guide's diameter were too small to let the cable housing slide through. I also needed to cleaned the rear brake attaching point threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash04 View Post
    Sweet, did yours came with pre-routed cables which makes it easier to route your cables? Also did you need to drill out the guides so the cables could fit, had to on mine. The guide's diameter were too small to let the cable housing slide through. I also needed to cleaned the rear brake attaching point threads.
    No pre-routed cables, but since it was a bare frame, was pretty dang easy to get routed with no headset or BB. Routed derailleur and brakes from rear to front. You can fit your fingers pretty easily in the headtube to guide the cables through to the openings (remove the guides of course). Cables fit through just fine. No issues with rear brake attach threads. Switched it to shorter wheelbase of course, I'd only use the long to fit 2XLs.
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    Got a good 5hr ride in this afternoon. Was very warm today around Anchorage, upper 20s (the reason the snow is sticking). From my house and way up into the hills. Bike rode great. Shoes rub a bit on the cranks.Chinese Carbon fatty-01bb5b036d0065cc5c673d4af88ca12a155d62004d.jpg
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    I also took my CS 197 out for it inaugural ride yesterday. Parts list:

    S frame
    CC 110 heaset 42 upper, 55 lower
    Bluto
    SLXM7000 brakeset
    XTm8000 11 speed shifter and Der (GS cage)
    Sunrace MX8 11-42 cassette
    Next SL G4 crank, 170 arms, 190 spindle
    AB 28T oval direct mount
    Bars from XM Carbon Speed
    No name alloy post
    WTB saddle
    Wheelset is stock Mulefut/Formula from 2015 Rocky Mountain Blizzard, which is what I had ridden prior to building this.
    Tires are flow/dunder

    I'm 5'4 and about 130 ready to ride. I tend to keep my tires on terra firma and consider myself a tame rider. I don't think I'm fast, but there are certainly always people behind me on group rides so I can't be slow, either. Or at least the slowest (depending on who I ride with).

    My impressions about the frame (my first carbon):

    I am bummed the rear axle on the NDS sits right against the carbon. I'd think that there should at least be a thin plate in there to protect the frame.

    The rear axle configuration is kind of clunky with the loose axle nut.

    On mine, the upper left cable guide by the headtube was sized to act as a cable stop, and only allow a bare cable to go through. I had decided to run my rear Der. cable through that, so I had to open that up to allow the housing through as well. Honestly, I think fully housed internally run cable are silly and that full housing external cables are my preference. There weren't any bladders pre-run like the site's pictures suggest.

    Overall, I'm very pleased with the frame. I wish I had ordered some small parts with it when I bought it: spare der. hanger, spare axle nut, spare rear axle plate, so if I ever order a frame again I'll try to remember to do that.

    Ride assessment:

    Fun! The conditions weren't great yesterday and there was a significant amount of ice which didn't let me really enjoy the ride to its fullest potential, but I still had a blast. It's way lighter than the Blizzard -50 I had ridden previously. I can't imagine what it will be like with a lighter wheelset. Everything worked great. The shifting feel is a little chunky, but I think it will wear in a bit and I really like the double shifting ability. The cassette/chain interface is a little chunky at times, too, but there were plenty of shifts where I didn't think it had actually shifted because the action was so smooth. I'm guessing as everything breaks in it will be better.

    The bars are plenty stiff, as is the frame. I feel like this bike just wants to go. It feels very reactive and I'm looking forward to riding it either in good snow conditions (seems unlikely at this point) or on dry trails (since winter can't seem to make up its mind here, I'd rather it just be spring).

    My other-other bike is a 2012 Anthem 29er set up 1x10 with SRAM gripshifts and a Wolftooth 42T extender cog. Just so you know where I'm coming from.

    Thanks to everyone on here for their help and information they've posted about their experiences. This thread is a great resource.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbiker423 View Post

    On mine, the upper left cable guide by the headtube was sized to act as a cable stop, and only allow a bare cable to go through. I had decided to run my rear Der. cable through that, so I had to open that up to allow the housing through as well. Honestly, I think fully housed internally run cable are silly and that full housing external cables are my preference. There weren't any bladders pre-run like the site's pictures suggest.

    Ride assessment:
    The shifting feel is a little chunky, but I think it will wear in a bit and I really like the double shifting ability. The cassette/chain interface is a little chunky at times, too, but there were plenty of shifts where I didn't think it had actually shifted because the action was so smooth. I'm guessing as everything breaks in it will be better.
    I didn't even try the upper lever guide since I'm not running a front derailleur and the rear D and brake both route through the downtube. If anyone gets this though, I strongly suggest running the cables on the bare frame before you do anything else, that's the easiest way to do it, rather than install BB, cranks, headset, fork, etc.

    I will say I'm not blown away by the XT/XTR drivetrain I have as far as shifting performance. I was hoping for similar to my X1/X01 on my pivot, but it's "clunky" and generally doesn't feel as positive or quality. It's not horrible of course, but I was expecting better and SRAMs function for removing the rear wheel is far better. The XTR derailleur and cinch chainring did keep my chain on yesterday, something I've never had a problem with on my SRAM setups, but it's a good test of the chainline and clutch function, so that works.
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    I've got a bunch of rides on mine and love it. 23.1 lbs with cages and pedals. I had to use a 190mm spindle on mine Next SL cranks.


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    I just received my CS197 frame, 120mm Bluto on the way. I am looking at FSA and Cane Creek headsets but not sure which size or which one I need to go with. This is my first bike build,and having a hard time locating this info, any help would be greatly appreciated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KAS811 View Post
    I just received my CS197 frame, 120mm Bluto on the way. I am looking at FSA and Cane Creek headsets but not sure which size or which one I need to go with. This is my first bike build,and having a hard time locating this info, any help would be greatly appreciated!
    The Cane Creek headset I installed on mine is IS42/28.6 IS52/40. It fit up nicely. Cost around $50.

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    Make sure you get an integrated style (that's what the IS stands for).

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    Thanks guys for the help, ordered the Cane Creek mentioned by Outlander above.
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    Cs197

    Getting mine built up. XT/XTR 1x11, Bluto. Frame and wheels from carbon speed. 1.5" Thudbuster (cuz I'm old). Almost ready for the trail.
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    What Crank size did you use (170 or 190) from RF?

    What Crank size did you use (170 or 190) from RF?
    Flipped Chainring?
    Or did you find that the SRAM fatbike crank fits?

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    190mm Race Face Aeffect. Got a King 24mm bb and have 2 spacers on each side of the bb. The crank came with 10mm spacers that are also used, on on each side. I'm going to dial the chainline a little (waiting for the crank puller for this crank) where I use 3 spacers on non-drive side, and 1 on drive side.

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    My frame arrived from Dengfu fm191, in 7 days! Will build up ASAP and report back.

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    Nice looking bike, Jayem, et al. I'm loving my CS-197. I still need to cut the steerer and build up my carbon wheels but the spec fatboy wheels I'm rolling have Hope hubs and work just fine for now. Unfortunatly all our snow is gone in southern NH so my sweetheart may stay inside until next winter unless we get more.

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    Where in SNH are you? I'm up in Hanover, by Dartmouth. All the trails here are either dirt or ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbiker423 View Post
    Where in SNH are you? I'm up in Hanover, by Dartmouth. All the trails here are either dirt or ice.
    West of Nashua. We had some ice but most or all of that is gone now, depending on location and sun coverage.

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    Just dropping in to share my experience. After a quick bit of research, I decided to pick up a CS-197 frame and fork. I emailed Peter on January 31'st, got a quote 24 hours later and ordered the frame shortly thereafter. It shipped on February 7th and arrived at my post office on February 14th.

    The box was sturdy...





    And it was well packaged.





    The frame itself was finished well as was the fork.



    The cable ports were of a better quality than I've seen on many mainstream manufactures frames.



    The axles and dropout "chips" were of an acceptable quality, but not something I would brag about.



    I built it up with a Bud and Lou on 80mm carbon hoops laced to Hope Pro 4 hubs.
    Sram NX cassette
    X-1 Chain
    GX rear derailleur
    X1 Shifter
    Turbine Cinch crankset (190) with 30t chainring
    Crank Brothers Candy pedals
    Guide RS Brakes
    180mm front rotor
    160mm rear rotor
    Atlas handlebars @780mm
    Oury grips
    Race Face Aeffect stem
    Cane Creek 40 series headset
    eTen Dropper
    Chromag Lynx saddle



    I'm in the upper 20's for weight.

    I have about 60-100 miles on it and I'm pretty impressed so far. I have the dropouts in the rear/long position. I'm enjoying the added stability of the longer wheelbase, but I may move them forward for some added agility. We're expecting temperatures in the low 60's for the foreseeable future, so I may not get out on it again this season. Let me know if you have any questions.












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    @Coderunner Beautiful bike and nice build! I'm jealous of the bike and the Jeep!

    Has anyone purchased bars/stem/seatpost from XMCarbonspeed? I'm curious as to what he's charging. I just bought a Sarma Shaman frame and will be building it over the next few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pack66 View Post
    @Coderunner Beautiful bike and nice build! I'm jealous of the bike and the Jeep!

    Has anyone purchased bars/stem/seatpost from XMCarbonspeed? I'm curious as to what he's charging. I just bought a Sarma Shaman frame and will be building it over the next few months.
    Hi Pack66, you may contact Peter and ask for quotation directly, it seems the prices on their carbonspeedbikes.com website have already included PayPal fee. I bought my frameset and components more than 1 year ago, I emailed him and sent payment to their PayPal account directly.

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    Headset for FM 191

    Guys, just got my Dengfu 191 in the post.
    It looks amazing.
    It's my first carbon bike.
    The headset I pulled out of my Motobecane Night Train (internal zero stack, 1.25 top, 1.5 bottom) do not seem to be working. The top bearing sits above the frame 1-2 mm.

    What do I need!?!?! Please help.

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    Shift cable housing

    Nevermind on the headset. I got that sorted out. In my excitement to put the bike together I forgot that I ordered a headset with the frame!

    HOWEVER,
    Again this is my first carbon bike and for anyone who put this together do you run the cable housing all the way through the frame of the bike or just up near the headset and Outback near the rear derailleur? So like two pieces that are maybe 12 inches each maximum. Because I can't seem to run my 4 millimeter cable through there. Thank you!

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