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    SNOWSHOW 2XL tires on CS-197 frame, plenty room still
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    What do you think about the weight of this combo build ?
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    Sorry for the dupe post, can't figure out how to delete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbon Speed Bikes View Post
    SNOWSHOW 2XL tires on CS-197 frame, plenty room still
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    What width rims are those?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wardo78 View Post
    What width rims are those?

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    Looks like 65mm (or possibly 80mm.)
    Would be good to see clearance on 100mm.
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    So far my CS-197 has been really good. Clears a Mastodon no problem.

    Currently using 29x3 wheels with the axle in the forward position, 26x4.8" Vee snow avalanche tires on 90mm rims have lots of space with the axle in the forward position.

    I really wish Vee would make a bigger snow avalanche or Surly would come out with a bigger bud with decent sidewalls, probably end up cutting down some 2xl's.

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    Awesome!
    It was the higher profile of the rim that tricked me into guessing 80mm or 65mm. And of course, the massive 2XLs can make even a 100mm rim look ''narrow''
    Good work on the wheels and frame, Peter!
    I just got a nice idea seeing that dropout, so I will contact you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Awesome!
    It was the higher profile of the rim that tricked me into guessing 80mm or 65mm. And of course, the massive 2XLs can make even a 100mm rim look ''narrow''
    Good work on the wheels and frame, Peter!
    I just got a nice idea seeing that dropout, so I will contact you.
    Espen,
    I took a look at the Kindernay internal hub website. That looks great! I have been looking for a good, light IGH over the years, and it finally looks like one is coming our way. Are you a principle at the company? I am guessing you are thinking about substituting sliders for the "chips" on the CS-197.
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    Anyone running the full suspension carbon frame with 12x197 rear spacing? How big of a tire have you fit on the back?

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    Is it possible to get a good picture of the chainline on this bike in the lowest/easiest gear? How much chain rub on the tire is there? Does the cassette need to be spaced outward?

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    Anyone using a dropper on their CS-197? I am just starting to build mine and am thinking that I definitely want to throw one on. I have been searching for pics of an internally routed dropper preferably, but not much luck. I am open to non "stealth" routed dropper posts if it comes down to that. Anyone here with one?

    If I go with a dropper, it looks like the KS LEV would be a good option with the external cable that is stationary, and route it through the top tube holes.
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    Does anyone know if the XM CS-197 frame is designed around a 100mm or 120mm Bluto? I've got the frame already, just wondering what size Bluto I should be looking for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freerider View Post
    Does anyone know if the XM CS-197 frame is designed around a 100mm or 120mm Bluto? I've got the frame already, just wondering what size Bluto I should be looking for?
    I have the 120 on mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KAS811 View Post
    I have the 120 on mine.
    How is it with the 120? Not too slack?

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    I am building this bike as we speak so I cannot say. I have one on another carbon FB and it is great. Certainly beneficial on the trails I ride.

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    Ok, thanks for the input. I will probably go with a 120. If it's too slack, it can easily be lowered to a 100 if necessary I suppose.

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    Hi,
    I am searching a 177x12 thru axle carbon hardtail frame...
    But I did not find one. If someone know a supplier, I will be glad...
    thanks a lot for your help...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parus Cristatus View Post
    Hi,
    I am searching a 177x12 thru axle carbon hardtail frame...
    But I did not find one. If someone know a supplier, I will be glad...
    thanks a lot for your help...
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    After spending some time reading through this thread I decided to try a chinese carbon frame as a replacement for my Moto frame that cracked last spring. Happy with it so far (2 lbs lighter than the Moto w/ better fit and geometry). Gonna get out for my first ride today!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parus Cristatus View Post
    Hi,
    I am searching a 177x12 thru axle carbon hardtail frame...
    But I did not find one. If someone know a supplier, I will be glad...
    thanks a lot for your help...
    Try looking at Sarma bikes. There's is 170x12 thru axle.
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    A couple from today's maiden voyage. Bike handled great!

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    I am about to pull the trigger on the FM191. I just can't decide on what size. I am 5'11" and I am looking at the 17.5" or the 19". Usually when I am on the border of two road bike sizes I size down but I don't know the sizing on these fat bikes really at all. Any thoughts, experience with sizing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cromb View Post
    I am about to pull the trigger on the FM191. I just can't decide on what size. I am 5'11" and I am looking at the 17.5" or the 19". Usually when I am on the border of two road bike sizes I size down but I don't know the sizing on these fat bikes really at all. Any thoughts, experience with sizing?
    I just ordered one for a friend who is about 5' 9" and he went with the 17.5. it is a touch taller then we would like but the 15 was too small. unless you have really long legs i would say the 17.5. i am 6' and have a 33 inseam and ride the 19.

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    To Sryanak & majack
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefflinde View Post
    I just ordered one for a friend who is about 5' 9" and he went with the 17.5. it is a touch taller then we would like but the 15 was too small. unless you have really long legs i would say the 17.5. i am 6' and have a 33 inseam and ride the 19.
    Jefflinde, do you feel like the 19" fits you pretty well or a little big? How do you feel on the 17.5 you got for your friend?

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    I would say that the 19 fits me perfectly. I did ride the 17.5 and I had to run the seat post almost all the way up and then i was a bi cramped in the cockpit. The 17.5 had an 80mm stem so it was not super short there either. if your inseam is 30-31 and you want the clearance for your crotch then go 17.5. if you have a longer inseam i would say go 19

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    I am also a 33 inch inseam but that could be fixed with a longer seat post. Dang, I thought 17.5 was going to be perfect for a moment and now I am confused. I need to hit up a bike store and try some bikes out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cromb View Post
    I am also a 33 inch inseam but that could be fixed with a longer seat post. Dang, I thought 17.5 was going to be perfect for a moment and now I am confused. I need to hit up a bike store and try some bikes out.
    If your 5'11" and a 33" inseam I would say go with the smaller frame. The reach on the 19 is long. I have long arms so it kinda makes up for it. You can always adjust the cockpit with seat post like you said and stem length

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefflinde View Post
    I just ordered one for a friend who is about 5' 9" and he went with the 17.5. it is a touch taller then we would like but the 15 was too small. unless you have really long legs i would say the 17.5. i am 6' and have a 33 inseam and ride the 19.
    That'll be perfect, put a 35 or 40mm stem on it. Modern frames have good stand over. The old "always downsize" theory is bunk with modern frames and components.
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    Parts swapping compatibility?
    I have a 2017 Fatboy Base in a large, but I really need a medium. I was looking at frames to swap out with, but Specialized only sells their carbon frame for $2,000. Started looking at this thread and wondered about a Chinese Carbon frame that I could swap as many of my parts over to as possible.
    Can anyone with more experience tell me if this would work? I know that the wheels would work, but am unsure about things like bottom brackets, headsets and my current fork- I have a carbon one and would just assume keep it as start over. Seat posts are a little deal and can be swapped out easily enough.

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    BBs are cheap as, so why not start with a new one?

    List the specs of the Fatboy, thatll make it easier for someone to help you,
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    Wheels, axle & width
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    BB, pressfit or screw in

    If your fork fits the new frame then stem/handlebar will be ok
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    FM190 frames in 15.5''/17.5''/19'' on sale, anyone has interest ? FM190 fat bike carbon snow frame for 190/197*12mm axle - Xiamen Carbon Speed Sport Goods Co.,Ltd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbon Speed Bikes View Post
    FM190 frames in 15.5''/17.5''/19'' on sale, anyone has interest ? FM190 fat bike carbon snow frame for 190/197*12mm axle - Xiamen Carbon Speed Sport Goods Co.,Ltd
    depends on how big the sale is. What is the new price?

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    Here's a link to the bike: https://www.specialized.com/us/en/fatboy/115629
    I know that it has a threaded bottom bracket, but can't figure out a size from what I read on the website. I know that the fork is tapered, but with a 46mm offset- so I'm not sure how well that plays with the frame. Not sure if the headset would transfer over or if it's easier to just buy a new one. Wheels look like they would fit a 197 frame- kind of a novice to all of the numbers so I don't quite get how a frame can be 190 and 197 but I'm sure there's a simple explanation that I just haven't read yet.
    Thanks for educating a newbie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedivewi View Post
    Here's a link to the bike: https://www.specialized.com/us/en/fatboy/115629
    I know that it has a threaded bottom bracket, but can't figure out a size from what I read on the website. I know that the fork is tapered, but with a 46mm offset- so I'm not sure how well that plays with the frame. Not sure if the headset would transfer over or if it's easier to just buy a new one. Wheels look like they would fit a 197 frame- kind of a novice to all of the numbers so I don't quite get how a frame can be 190 and 197 but I'm sure there's a simple explanation that I just haven't read yet.
    Thanks for educating a newbie.
    About the offset, you will need to try it and see. The Fatboy usess the Aeffect cranks, from memory these are 24mm wide therefore any threaded BB that suits "Hollowtech" will work (or get RaceFace BB to match the crank), your problem will be the plastic sleeve to keep water/crud out, l personally dont run the sleeve and drilled a 3mm hole in the frame under the BB. I wait till Shimano BBs are on sale (~$15) then buy a couple.
    190/197mm rear, difference is a spacer, this shouldnt be a issue as you use 197mm.
    Headset, get a new one, Cane Creek 40 is recommended, l have it one and its a good piece of kit (double check it will fit your new frame), headsets that come with the frames have no water/dustproofing, but mine did last 1.5yrs.
    Youll probably need a new searpost as most Chinga frames are 31.6mm and you have 30.9mm.

    Lastly lm not up to date on the current frames, l ride a 3yr old lCAN SN01 frame, do a lot of reading in this thread to see failures and also good reports, lastly some companies largest frames are 20 while others are 21, not sure if this effects you, also fitment of a suspension fork (if thats on your mind) can be problematic on the smaller frames due to frame strikes (there are fixes though).

    Maybe someone will chime in with a frame suggestion for you.
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    Cs-197

    Hi, thanks to this thread I bought a CS-197 which is almost ready to ride.

    Except I can't figure the rear brake mount. Assumed it's a flat mount so bought Shimano flat mount to 160 rear adaptor SM-MA-R160 P/D. This doesn't fit though, the threaded holes on this adaptor don't match the frame.

    There were no adaptors etc in the packaging, I did check that. I've also emailed Pete Xu on this.


    ETA WOW such a fast response by email from Pete Xu. He's been a pleasure to deal with. Seems the bespoke adaptor usually included, was not sent with my frame.

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    I would also like to know the answer to this. I will be putting XT brakes on with a 203mm rotor up front and a 180 on the rear. I do not have any adapters yet.

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    Peter replied by email very quickly with the photo below. The frame should ship with the pictured bespoke mount which I assume allows you to position the caliper for either of the axle dropout postitions. This mount was missing from my shipment. It will take a standard brake caliper.

    It's designed for a 160 rotor, a further PM-PM adaptor may allow a 180 but I don't think there's enough clearance.

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    Whoops, I found mine in the bubble wrap! Check it all carefully folks!

    And it looks like you will fit a 180 rear with a 160-180 std Post to Post adaptor. Fork is std post mount for 160 or std Post Mount adaptors for larger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefflinde View Post
    depends on how big the sale is. What is the new price?
    They are 350 USD/piece on frame with fitting rear 197x12 axle for sale now, no size 21'' though

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    I'm looking to buy a SN01 frame from Ican and was wondering if the frame comes with the rear through axle bolt (I've emailed them a few days ago but no response yet), as the website doesn't show or mention one. Also does it use the 12mm standard thread pitch?

    TIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackWare View Post
    I'm looking to buy a SN01 frame from Ican and was wondering if the frame comes with the rear through axle bolt (I've emailed them a few days ago but no response yet), as the website doesn't show or mention one. Also does it use the 12mm standard thread pitch?

    TIA
    Yes, usually they do. So I've purchase 3 frames and they all came with it.

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    Which frames have a gloss finish and a visible weave?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackWare View Post
    I'm looking to buy a SN01 frame from Ican and was wondering if the frame comes with the rear through axle bolt (I've emailed them a few days ago but no response yet), as the website doesn't show or mention one. Also does it use the 12mm standard thread pitch?

    TIA
    1.5mm thread pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars_D View Post
    Which frames have a gloss finish and a visible weave?
    Visible weave? Parts like frames and rims are made from unidirectional carbon layers, which don't have a "weave", that's just a cosmetic layer that is added on the top of some of the carbon rims. I have a gloss XM carbonspeed CS-197 that I had them use matte lettering for the brand, I can see the raw carbon at pretty much all angles, which I think is nice, but it's definitely not a "weave".

    Otherwise, manufacturers like XM carbon let you choose the color or whether you want gloss/matte, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Visible weave? Parts like frames and rims are made from unidirectional carbon layers, which don't have a "weave", that's just a cosmetic layer that is added on the top of some of the carbon rims. I have a gloss XM carbonspeed CS-197 that I had them use matte lettering for the brand, I can see the raw carbon at pretty much all angles, which I think is nice, but it's definitely not a "weave".

    Otherwise, manufacturers like XM carbon let you choose the color or whether you want gloss/matte, etc.
    Nextie rims have an option for a cosmetic weave on top. I am looking for a frame option to match.
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    I have not come across a fat bike that has what you are looking for. I have seen some hard tail frames that have been in 3k and 12k but never a fat bike. You are most likely going to have to talk to each company to see if they will do it for you as a one off type thing.

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    I am finishing up my FM191 build and working on my brakes. I am seeing an issue with how they built my internal routing to the rear brake. The hole is the same size all the way through. I can route my brake cable HOUSING all the way through the internal route to the brake. Shouldn't it only go in a half inch like everything else? Or am I missing something?

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    Never mind. I guess that is how it is supposed to be. Some of this is new to me coming from non-disc brake bikes.

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    I have built 2 fm191s and if you are running hydros the hose will go all the way through the frame. If you are running cable brakes the housing should be run through all the way as well.

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    Got my medium CS197 today and was disappointed to find that Snowshoe 2XL barely fit on 100mm rims. At 3psi the lugs barely clear the chain stays, at 8 psi they rub and at 15 psi ( which I would never ride) the tire doesn't move. I tried on 2 different rims, Clownshoe and HED BFD with same result. Tires are tubed, expect it to be worse tubeless. Just a warning to those ordering the frame for 2XL on 100mm. I'll probably trim some of the lugs. Otherwise the frame is really nice and weighs 2 lbs less than the Blackbarrow it is replacing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by campykid View Post
    Got my medium CS197 today and was disappointed to find that Snowshoe 2XL barely fit on 100mm rims. At 3psi the lugs barely clear the chain stays, at 8 psi they rub and at 15 psi ( which I would never ride) the tire doesn't move. I tried on 2 different rims, Clownshoe and HED BFD with same result. Tires are tubed, expect it to be worse tubeless. Just a warning to those ordering the frame for 2XL on 100mm. I'll probably trim some of the lugs. Otherwise the frame is really nice and weighs 2 lbs less than the Blackbarrow it is replacing.
    This is with the axle set in the most rearward position?

    There's the guy with the picture at the top of this page with carbonspeed rims and the 2XL tires, says he has plenty of clearance?
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    Yes, rear position. Don't know how the other poster got it to fit with "plenty of room".

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    Quote Originally Posted by campykid View Post
    Yes, rear position. Don't know how the other poster got it to fit with "plenty of room".
    Please post photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedivewi View Post
    Parts swapping compatibility?
    I have a 2017 Fatboy Base in a large, but I really need a medium. I was looking at frames to swap out with, but Specialized only sells their carbon frame for $2,000. Started looking at this thread and wondered about a Chinese Carbon frame that I could swap as many of my parts over to as possible.
    Can anyone with more experience tell me if this would work? I know that the wheels would work, but am unsure about things like bottom brackets, headsets and my current fork- I have a carbon one and would just assume keep it as start over. Seat posts are a little deal and can be swapped out easily enough.

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    I actually did just this. Had an XL Fatboy I snagged used locally for a great price, and while it was very nice it was just a bit on the too big side of things for my taste. I made it work for a full winter, but the standover and reach were off enough that I bought a CS-197 from Peter and could not be happier. I bought new cranks (Race Face Turbine Cinch) but moved over the post, saddle, stem, bars, brakes, wheels, tires, shifter, derailleur, and cassette. In the process I also changed to 1x10 so didn't move over the front derailleur. My wheels already had Hope hubs, so converting for the different dropouts was simple with new end caps. Note that unless your Fatboy has a Bluto, the front end is 135mm QR and the rear on a Fatboy is 190 QR (or at least those were the specs on my 2014 Fatboy). Also be advised that the fork I bought from Peter for my CS-197 had different geo from the Fatboy fork. I had little difficulty selling the Fatboy frame and fork locally.

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    Hey guys, I'm having a bit of an issue with my headset. I just finished the build but something is going on with the headset. I tightened it down properly but There is severe friction on and am unable to turn the wheel freely. I am using a bluto and a Cane Creek Forty headset. I do not recall which one it is off the top of my head at the moment, almost positive that it is the Cane Creek IS42/IS52 Tapered headset. \

    Two questions: Is this the correct headset to be using? And.....are you using a crown race on the bluto? This is frustrating to say the least. I am pretty sure I have the headset set up correctly. Just trying to pinpoint the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KAS811 View Post
    Hey guys, I'm having a bit of an issue with my headset. I just finished the build but something is going on with the headset. I tightened it down properly but There is severe friction on and am unable to turn the wheel freely. I am using a bluto and a Cane Creek Forty headset. I do not recall which one it is off the top of my head at the moment, almost positive that it is the Cane Creek IS42/IS52 Tapered headset. \

    Two questions: Is this the correct headset to be using? And.....are you using a crown race on the bluto? This is frustrating to say the least. I am pretty sure I have the headset set up correctly. Just trying to pinpoint the problem.
    Guessing the cap is contacting the headtube. If so you will need a shim between the top bearing and the cap. I had to add a shim on my CC 110.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RagerXS View Post
    Please post photos.
    Here they are. Never realized how hard it is to capture tire/chain stay clearance! Not very clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by campykid View Post
    Here they are. Never realized how hard it is to capture tire/chain stay clearance! Not very clear.
    Wow. Is this 169mm spindle, or 189? And is this a turbine cinch? What about clearance btwn crank and cs? Thx.

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    190 next sl. I adjusted spacers to move chainline close to tire in 1st gear so chain does not fall down cassette when backpedaling. Plenty of clearance between cranks and chain stays.

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    I completed the build on my CS197 a few weeks ago, but have been slow to post pics. I sold a Carver to buy it. I no longer ride fat year round, but use a 27.5+ in the non-snow months. With that in mind, I wanted to try a fat bike that had the ability to go really wide. For the frame, I bought a large, although I ordinarily ride a medium. Looking at the specs I figured that with a VERY short stem the geometry would be better than a medium for me. I only have one short ride, but it seemed to ride as expected. I have the rear wheel chip in the back setting with 100mm rims and 4.8" Vee Snowshoe XL's on there. You can see in the last picture that there is plenty of clearance, enough that I think I could run the rear wheel in the forward position if I so choose. I am not sure if the chain would clear the tire though, it just does so in it's current position. We are forecast to get some snow soon, so I'll have a more accurate sense of what it rides like then.

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    Nice. I found that my large CS-197 can run an xtra-large revelate frame bag too (the large is stretched way out and far from optimal IMO), which can pack a lot of gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wardo78 View Post
    I completed the build on my CS197 a few weeks ago, but have been slow to post pics. I sold a Carver to buy it. I no longer ride fat year round, but use a 27.5+ in the non-snow months. With that in mind, I wanted to try a fat bike that had the ability to go really wide. For the frame, I bought a large, although I ordinarily ride a medium. Looking at the specs I figured that with a VERY short stem the geometry would be better than a medium for me. I only have one short ride, but it seemed to ride as expected. I have the rear wheel chip in the back setting with 100mm rims and 4.8" Vee Snowshoe XL's on there. You can see in the last picture that there is plenty of clearance, enough that I think I could run the rear wheel in the forward position if I so choose. I am not sure if the chain would clear the tire though, it just does so in it's current position. We are forecast to get some snow soon, so I'll have a more accurate sense of what it rides like then.

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    Nice looking bike, Wardo. Since I have the same bike, also in large, I can chime in on a few things here. First, moving the chip fore/aft will change the clearance for different tire diameters and alter the wheelbase. It will have zero impact on chain clearance, but may inspire you to remove a link if moving forward. YMMV. I've run a Specialized Ground Control 4.6, Vee Snowshoe XL, and a Surly Lou in mine with the chip set to the front position. I have seen pics on this forum of our frame with Snowshoe 2XL in the back with the chip in the rear position.

    It looks like you have Race Face cranks with a direct mount front chainring. Be advised that if chainline ever becomes an issue, you can reverse mount that chainring to gain more chain clearance. And other brands of narrow-wide front rings are often available in differing amounts of offset. You can really fine tune your chain line with off the shelf options and/or move a spacer from one side of the crank spindle to the other.

    We're getting snow this weekend. Can't wait to get mine back out on the trails.

    Fred

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    Actually, in addition to the prior post I referenced on the 2XL's, Carbon Speed has pictures at the top of this page (page 41 in case this post starts a new page) with 2XL's on a CS-197.

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    Just finished my build:

    uChinese Carbon fatty-img-1313.jpgChinese Carbon fatty-img-1311.jpgChinese Carbon fatty-img-1157.jpgChinese Carbon fatty-img-1156.jpgChinese Carbon fatty-img-1155.jpg
    Size Medium frame
    80mm Carbon wheels- Tubeless
    Bluto 120mm Fork
    WTB HighTail seat Titanium
    Brand X Dropper
    Next G4 Crank/Raceface 28T single ring / RF BB
    Nukeproof Pedals
    NEXT handlebar
    Shimano XT brakes/shifter/RD
    XT 11-46T Cassette
    XT rotors 203 in the front, 180 on the rear
    Maxxis Minion 4.8 tires Front and Rear

    Love this thing, rides great and feels very light.

    Anyone know what rear derailleur hanger to get for this frame? Or where to get them? Want to order a few. Also, this is not a CS-197 frame like I originally thought it was, can anyone identify the frame?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAS811 View Post
    Just finished my CS-197 build
    Anyone know what rear derailleur hanger to get for this frame? Or where to get them? Want to order a few.
    Peter at Carbon Speed said the hangers were $8 each when I inquired about a 197 frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAS811 View Post
    Just finished my CS-197 build:
    CS-197 Size Medium frame
    Next G4 Crank/Raceface 28T single ring / RF BB
    Do you have 177 or 197 cranks version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by campykid View Post
    Got my medium CS197 today and was disappointed to find that Snowshoe 2XL barely fit on 100mm rims. At 3psi the lugs barely clear the chain stays, at 8 psi they rub and at 15 psi ( which I would never ride) the tire doesn't move. I tried on 2 different rims, Clownshoe and HED BFD with same result. Tires are tubed, expect it to be worse tubeless. Just a warning to those ordering the frame for 2XL on 100mm. I'll probably trim some of the lugs. Otherwise the frame is really nice and weighs 2 lbs less than the Blackbarrow it is replacing.
    Could you, please, go for some more details of the Blackborrow?
    Did you successfully used it before with 2XL's?
    Which model/year/size did you have?
    Maybe some photos of your one with 2XL's is available?!
    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Sukhov View Post
    Do you have 177 or 197 cranks version?
    That's not a cs-197.
    I don't think the next cranks have enough offset to clear the chainstay with the 170 spindle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Sukhov View Post
    Do you have 177 or 197 cranks version?
    They are the 190 (197) version.

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    So I confirmed with Peter from CS that the frame I have is NOT a CS-197. I was under the impression that it was. I bought it on ebay so I will have to contact the seller and get some hangers hopefully.

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    The Blackborrow fits 2XL's on Clownshoes easily. I have the 2016 medium version. I don't have any detail photos of the clearance. I currently have the frame on ebay (Doinksdad) if anybody's interested. I emailed Peter about my CS197 having marginal clearance for 2XL's and he informed me that the closeout model is different from the current model. Rather than eating $200 in back and forth shipping, I trimmed 2mm of knobs from one side and it clears (literally by a hair) at 6 PSI which is as high as I would ever run these tires.

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    Carbon Speed new shopping mall: Fat Bike Frame/Wheels/Rim

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    Quote Originally Posted by RagerXS View Post
    Nice looking bike, Wardo. Since I have the same bike, also in large, I can chime in on a few things here. First, moving the chip fore/aft will change the clearance for different tire diameters and alter the wheelbase. It will have zero impact on chain clearance, but may inspire you to remove a link if moving forward. YMMV. I've run a Specialized Ground Control 4.6, Vee Snowshoe XL, and a Surly Lou in mine with the chip set to the front position. I have seen pics on this forum of our frame with Snowshoe 2XL in the back with the chip in the rear position.

    It looks like you have Race Face cranks with a direct mount front chainring. Be advised that if chainline ever becomes an issue, you can reverse mount that chainring to gain more chain clearance. And other brands of narrow-wide front rings are often available in differing amounts of offset. You can really fine tune your chain line with off the shelf options and/or move a spacer from one side of the crank spindle to the other.

    We're getting snow this weekend. Can't wait to get mine back out on the trails.

    Fred
    Thanks Fred. We have had snow and I've had a chance to take a real ride on it. I loved everything about it. I was riding tight technical snow covered singletrack and didn't find the chips being set in the rear to be a hindrance. I was also impressed with the climbing. I expected more wheelspin given the long effective CS, but it hooked up fine. I don't think I'll change a thing.
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