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    Burlier fat bike fork

    The Bluto is a good fork, I have one on my Moto NTB, but I really hope someone comes out with a more heavy duty fork. Something with 34-36mm uppers and at least 130-150mm of travel. Something that could match the travel and aggressiveness of the Mutz. A fat Pike, or 34/36, or Sweep/Slant/Trace would be great. I hope someone comes out with that next Fat bike fork at Interbike so that I can build up the Mutz I want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCHKeys View Post
    The Bluto is a good fork, I have one on my Moto NTB, but I really hope someone comes out with a more heavy duty fork. Something with 34-36mm uppers and at least 130-150mm of travel. Something that could match the travel and aggressiveness of the Mutz. A fat Pike, or 34/36, or Sweep/Slant/Trace would be great. I hope someone comes out with that next Fat bike fork at Interbike so that I can build up the Mutz I want.
    I think you're going to get you want, and then you're going to find that such a bike is damn near impossible to keep air in the tires. So while wishing for this fork, start wishing for more tire technology to trickle into the fat realm.

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    I'm hearing rumors Marzocchi is coming out with something this fall. I'm anxiously waiting, I just built a mutz and the bluto is undergunned. It feels about as stiff as a wet noodle on this bike

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    While it maxes out at 110mm, the lefty is certainly quite burly and stiff..

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    I'm certain there will be more including from Rockshox. I give props to Rockshox for going in unchartered territory and taking chances. Now that we all know just how popular and versatile fat bikes are there soon be better bikes and components for them. The technology will advance like a out of control fire, just make sure you pockets are deep enough to keep up.

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    Since all this was new standard type of stuff anyway, I was a bit surprised they didn't do a 20mm axle on the Bluto. Everyone had to buy new from the ground up anyway, so why not? But yes, 36mm stanchions are probably a great idea as well but for me anyway, I honestly don't notice any more flex in this as I do with any other fork I've ever owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cody01 View Post
    I'm certain there will be more including from Rockshox. I give props to Rockshox for going in unchartered territory and taking chances. Now that we all know just how popular and versatile fat bikes are there soon be better bikes and components for them. The technology will advance like a out of control fire, just make sure you pockets are deep enough to keep up.
    don't hold your breath. They're hedging their bets and the bluto s probably "good enough" for 85% of fat bike riders. the remaining %15 that might buy a burlier fork are a pretty minuscule niche.

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    Bluto is plenty burly for me, aesthetically i'd like a burlier fork to match the tyre and frame but other than that i'm happy.
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    How about the Trixxxy Fat? Seems pretty burly.
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    Manitou Dorado fits 4" tires on 65 mm rims, no-tools adjustable to any travel below 200 mm, even 26" version does not hit tyre on crown at max compression, light for a DH fork. No modification needed, but a standard 20 mm axle hub and 200 mm disc is required of course. It's a no brainer for fat DH given the current options imho. I have one and it works very well for trail riding. After July I will know if it works better than my old 80 mm fork in the bike park, I'm guessing it will.
    They seem to leak a little oil by design, but once you get over topping it up every month or so it's no problem really.
    I usually ride mine @ about 165 mm travel, on the hardtail. No worries other than some concern it will break the headtube of my frame. But I don't do anything big so I think it will keep together.
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    The Trixxy Fat MIGHT have more travel (some versions do, at least), but it isn't all that much burlier. Still 32mm stanchions. It's not clear from the VitalMTB link how much travel the Ventana has, and I suspect that the wide clamps for the fork are a custom or one-off deal.

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    I really don't have a problem with the burliness/stiffness of the Bluto. 15mm thru makes sense for the application because most fork makers have gone with 15mm for aggressive xc and am type forks. 20mm doesn't really show up until you get into significantly more aggressive forks. I don't think bigger stanchions will start making real sense until we get into 140mm and longer travel forks for fatbikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cody01 View Post
    I'm certain there will be more including from Rockshox. I give props to Rockshox for going in unchartered territory and taking chances.
    There was hardly anything uncharted about it - Rockshox didn't exactly invent a new fork or technology. It's simply a wider Reba/Revelation for a mountain bike with larger tires than usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit21 View Post
    There was hardly anything uncharted about it - Rockshox didn't exactly invent a new fork or technology. It's simply a wider Reba/Revelation for a mountain bike with larger tires than usual.
    Yeah, and nobody else was even willing to do that. And RS only did it after some prodding from Salsa. It's not like bigger tires require some all-new internals and stuff. Just a wider chassis.

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    ...and further, I'm not sure that a more expensive fork would really be worth the cost on a fatbike. Sure a few guys with money to burn would buy the $800 fat bike version of the Pike just for bragging rights (and in true MTBR tradition they'd post about how much better it is since they spent the money on it), but I wonder just how much it would actually pay off in ride quality given the tire volume? I think a lighter version of the Bluto as is, more or less keeping at the current price point would be the ideal solution - at least for me. Maybe take it to $600 - any more than that and I'd take a pass.

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    Given the amount of tire flex on a properly inflated fat bike tire, the idea that you'd be able to discern any fork flex is, well, laughable.
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    Those of you that don't feel you're bluto flex just aren't riding it hard enough. I think a fat pike would be sufficient for me at 140mm so it would have plenty of bushing overlap. The other issue with the 32mm fork is binding, if you are feeling flex you better believe the fork is flexing in the bushings and binding too. I ride hard and I treat my mutz the same way that I treat my other bikes. I am a habitual crown/steerer unit loosener. I actually just had to have my revelation on my light duty trail bike replaced due to horrible creaking.

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    I modded a Marzocchi Shiver so I could have a Burlier fork!

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    My wife has a Fox 34 160mm fork and I have the 36, and its night and day the torsional stiffness between the two. I just think that there is a good market for the more heavy duty fat forks.

    In terms of price, I understand that bike parts cost a lot now, and if you want a good performing fork, you better be willing to pay. So I figure if RS makes a fat Pike 140mm with full adjustability and the charger, it's going to cost about $1000, but when a Mutz already costs ~$2600 and I9 wheels are $2700, well just close your eyes and hand them your credit card. The first time you bomb down at the local bike park and hang with the DH guys, it will be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    The Trixxy Fat MIGHT have more travel (some versions do, at least), but it isn't all that much burlier. Still 32mm stanchions.

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    Given that the Risse Trixxy is an USD design, the 32mm stanchions aren't going have much flex, as the pivot point for the forks will be closer to the crown and significantly mitigated by the beefy sliders, uppers, which have the added benefit of reducing unsprung weight. The main issue with the Risse forks, according to many reports (apart from overall weight), is that the damping circuit is somewhat lacking, giving the fork a tendency to wallow, though it's entirely possible that a company like Traxxion Dynamics could modify the internals and give the shock better performance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Given the amount of tire flex on a properly inflated fat bike tire, the idea that you'd be able to discern any fork flex is, well, laughable.
    The fork flex on my rigid, steel pugsley fork was quite noticeable, as was the lack of flex when I upgraded to a lefty on my 9:Zero:7, but then, I'm not a particularly big fan of low pressures on the trail. Snow, yes, but on dirt, i'd rather have speed and not feel my sidewalls folding over on themselves.

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    I'd pay 1000 for something like a fat pike. And I'd do it with a smile

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    Would I like a pliko (pike and bluto)...yes. But I really do enjoy riding it as a rigid right now. Hard onto the brakes with zero dive, pop over objects easier, and zero worry about upkeep.

    But I won't be buying one any time soon.

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    I'm a total pansy, and also heavy right now at a grand 150lbs. The bluto is fine for me, but I think calling a fork stiff or not without including your weight is pointless.
    I'll never need more suspension, but I hope the guys that do get it eventually. When you're hucking I look forward to lounging in my Lycra with a beer and watching!

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    So I am 230lbs with gear, I hit table tops and gap jumps with my current NTB and the Bluto has screamed in protest if I don't hit the sweet spot on the transition. That is why I think there needs to a bigger fork for us bigger humans.

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    FYI I blew my air spring last weekend riding dh at highland. It started bottoming out and I noticed the air started leaking down. Oh well, rebuild kit on order. I just can't stand the flex in the chassis

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    Were you on a hardtail or FS bike?

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    Burlier fat bike fork-2015-06-17-19.21.19.jpg

    well u can try this, but travel is 120mm. but its build like a tank, fork with many name and weight to about 2.5kg+.

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    btw i weight 120kg+

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    I was on the X-fusion site and was looking at the Revel. If that fork handles anything like my Metric with the HLR, it would be the best fat fork out there. A dream setup, a fat Revel on the front of a Mutz with I9 hubs and some whiskey rims.

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    $1700 for a fat version of the Revel? It's an X Fusion, what are they thinking?

    At that price I can wait for a Pluto, Pliko, big arse stanchion fat bike fork.

    That said, I'm with him ^, I'd plunk down a 1k for a good fork for my fat tandem, but I need 80-100. The Bluto on my Mutz is okay for now.

    What I don't get is why a Pike can't be made with a wider crown for about the same price. The Pike is popular, but I'd be surprised if they didn't sell as many fat bike Pikes as they do regular Pikes.

    I think SRAM is missing the boat, such a shame as they were there in the beginning with a Bluto...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    What I don't get is why a Pike can't be made with a wider crown for about the same price. The Pike is popular, but I'd be surprised if they didn't sell as many fat bike Pikes as they do regular Pikes.

    I think SRAM is missing the boat, such a shame as they were there in the beginning with a Bluto...
    SRAM is in business to not lose money. Same with Fox, Manitou, X-Fusion. If they saw demand, as evidenced by an OEM writing a fat check, they'd open a mold for a Pluto (or 36XL, or Dorado Mucho...) tomorrow.

    They know that they'd lose their asses if they made this fork and relied on aftermarket sales to fund it. Simply wouldn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCHKeys View Post
    Were you on a hardtail or FS bike?
    Full suspension

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCHKeys View Post
    I was on the X-fusion site and was looking at the Revel. If that fork handles anything like my Metric with the HLR, it would be the best fat fork out there. A dream setup, a fat Revel on the front of a Mutz with I9 hubs and some whiskey rims.
    I doubt I would buy another x-fusion product. I have a metric hlr and love the damper, but I've already ruined a crown /steerer unit and my replacement fork is starting to creak as well. Their customer service is awful, they didn't send me a new csu when mine went bad, they pulled used parts from a test bike and gave me that. Additionally they had initially assembled the negative spring incorrectly and refused to address the issue, eventually I found the source of the noise and fixed it myself. Never again.....

    It's a shame, the hlr damper is damn good.

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