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    bud and nate,,updated with pics

    hi I live in UK so not much snow through winter but it's almost always wet, question is do I buy nates front and rear or bud front and nate rear .I fancy the bud will I notice more drag

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    More drag, yes, but it's a tough call. You might consider a Big Fat Larry. I have a Nate/bud combo that I ran last winter, it's awesome. I switched th a hudu rear/Larry front for the summer, and it is faster. BUT! I switched back to the bud/Nate a couple of weeks ago for the fall riding, and have been loving the extra Cush up front, and the traction from both, which is insane. The BFL won't offer the traction, but the cush, and will roll better. If you can, spring for the 120tpi, at least on front. Feels awesome. For what it's worth, I love the performance of the hudu, but not impressed with the wear it is showing.


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    I just mounted up a Bud on the front, and he is MASSIVE compared to Nate. I will hopefully get to ride it this weekend and will report back with my findings.

    I will say that there is a big difference in effort required between a Nate and knard/hudu. I am not sure which tires offer the best wet grip and rolling performance.

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    ok been out today on my BFLs and was slipping all over in the woods with the wet conditions and slimy leaves ,I am going to buy BFL 120tpi but I was wondering witch is best to buy 120tpi Nate or Nate 27Tpi for the rear there's a saving of £30 if I buy the 27tpi version thx in advance

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    Nate rear, bud upfront on my Muk. Love the combo. If you can afford it, 120tpi is going to be your best bet. A bit lighter, but a lot more supple... and at low PSI, that is what you want.

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    Bud and Nate are a great combo for UK conditions. My mate couldn't follow my lines on his BFLs, he had very little lateral grip and was sliding about on the top layer of mud. He did roll more easily on sand though where my more aggressive tread dug in.

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    yes I was sliding everywhere today I love my bfls but think I need to change for winter thx guys for info nate and bud combo is a deffo now lets get shopping thx
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    Bud and Nate are a great combo for UK conditions. My mate couldn't follow my lines on his BFLs, he had very little lateral grip and was sliding about on the top layer of mud. He did roll more easily on sand though where my more aggressive tread dug in.

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    you won't regret it! I am about to change back to my bud/nate combo for winter....awesome go anywhere traction....worth every penny!

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    How well does the Bud work on a Rolling Darryl rim for the front or is it better on a Clown Shoe. I'll be running a 45N Dillinger in the rear.

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    I just got my first ride with Bud n' Nate on RD. It was very wet, lots of leaves on the trail, and bud didn't even blink. If you can run Clownshoes, I would go that route. But I found RD to be just fine.
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    ordered can't wait now I was slipping all over with the Bfls will report back with report

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    Bud by jonshonda187, on Flickr

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    bud and nate

    Has anyone noticed handling issues with the Bud/Nate combo? The Bud is a noticeably taller tire. Brings the front end higher, leaves the rear lower.

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    thx for the pic looks good How's the grip.
    All pics welcome of your bud and nate combos

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    Re: bud and nate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReXTless View Post
    Has anyone noticed handling issues with the Bud/Nate combo? The Bud is a noticeably taller tire. Brings the front end higher, leaves the rear lower.
    I will be pumping the nate up and stretching it abit I have a thudbuster on my bike and always have more psi in rear and softer on front so hopefully it won't be to much of a difference I think I will love the cush upfront just roll over everything which I do on my bfls but not enough grip for the winter

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    Re: Height of Bud front, Nate rear... I notice no difference, outside of tenacious front grip. Yes, it is a few cm taller, but it has not thrown off the geometry.
    Rock Dude... you will get a wider contact patch on a Clown Shoe, but the RD/Bud combo will still have a nice wide patch and good grip. I run the Bud on a Marge Lite rim and it's been great. SIGNIFICANTLY wider than the Nate = more float and nice cush at about 7~8psi.

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    Re: bud and nate

    installed bud and nate wow the bud is massive I had for summer bfls now the nate feels small I should of tried the bud on rear I measured both tyres and frame and surely it should fit ...2 buds would be nice. ... Anyway trekking tomoz so will update on performance


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    Based on your pics, I don't think there's any room for a Bud on the rear of your bike.
    Love the pics... in the kitchen, living room. LOL. You must be a bachelor or have a very understanding wife! ...we anxiously await your next set of pics of the bike laying on your bed.

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    lol bacons it was raining outside so installed tyres in house. different rooms because I was trying to get better light for photos. . play time tomorrow so plenty outdoor pics thx

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    you could put the rear skewer in the front wheel and mock it up to the back to see if it fits (which i also doubt). but the tire combo as is should be awesome.

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    yeh is handle well today very wet today just keeps paddling along ..... impressed

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    Well Being out for today's ride and wasn't disappointed bud and nate is a good combination it will go anywhere and it was really wet today the bud just ploughs along and goes over everything, loads of traction and because the bud is raised higher it means you get more grip From the nate cause you have more weight over the rear., the pedaling seemed easier than my bfls for some reason . my friends on skinnys were spinning out and looked back they was pushing up the wet hills while I just pedalled up(no spin outs for me) overall very happy good combo seemed I had gained an extra Hill climbing gear


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    Re: bud and nate

    Here's my tyres .
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    been out again on the fatty ,just a quick question since I installed bud and nate the gearing seems easier than when my 2 BFLs were on is this because the nate is smaller on the rear? it really does feel I have gained an extra cog ,todays ride was excellent the bud goes over everything and tremendous grip front and rear hill climbing is really good
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    any pics of the Bud on a 2012 Muk? Nates do the trick, but always looking for performance enhancing parts
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    Sorry for high jacking the threadÖ Wonder if you guys could recommend a good tire set. I really like the idea of the Bud/Nate combo, but Iím afraid it might be an over kill for the places I ride most of the time. A lot of my riding is done on single track in dry conditions, loose dirt, roots, rocks.. sometimes damp and in the fall/winter we have wet leaves, but never muddy wet. Itís looked down upon if you ride the local trails if their wet which is understandable since a lot people volunteer their time to keeping them up. Right now Iím running a Vee Mission combo but Iím looking for something with more traction.

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    my summer tyres are BFLs and bud and nate for winter I still have the on one floaters but I like the suppleness of the sulys to much

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    I don't think you will have more drag with the Bud up front vs. Nate. The Bud's lugs are oriented longitudinally so there is almost a center ridge that the tire rides on. The Nate lugs run across the tire. There is more vibration and, I believe more rolling resistance as a result. I have found the Bud to be a fantastic year-round tire. The side grip is fantastic, especially on off camber loose and grassy parts and of course max float on sand and snow. Nate has great forward bite for climbing roots and mud, qualities that I want summer and winter.

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    I've been thinking about this combo for the last few months. I've run larry and hudu up front on and off since last year. I always feel like the front wants to slide on off camber downhill hardpack, and especially today with all the leaves. I plan to ride the very same trails all winter either frozen dirt or snow, whatever the weather allows.

    I kept going back and forth on nate/nate vs. bud/nate. I think this thread has sealed the deal for me. I wanted to put shorty contoured fenders on for commuting, but I don't think it would clear bud. I suppose some mudshovels would be a good compromise.

    I've read that there is JUST enough clearance for bud on a stock pugs fork (older offset) on Marge Lite. I'm willing to give it a whirl. I am borderline weight weenie, and that does kind of concern me, but I think the extra traction and cush will shut that right up. I've run a BFL on front and I love the way that soaked everything up, and I've been dreaming of going obese on the front ever since.
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    With the prices to Surly tires this a harder decision then actually buying a FatBike. After reading some reviews on other Surly tires I may go with BFL front and back for the summer then put a Knard rear for the winter. I rarely come across mud and will probably never ride in snow. The BUD is the coolest looking of all Surly tires IMO, the Bud and Nate might he more than I need around here. I guess what I want is a fast tire combo for single track with traction for steep climbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoPlayOutside View Post
    With the prices to Surly tires this a harder decision then actually buying a FatBike. After reading some reviews on other Surly tires I may go with BFL front and back for the summer then put a Knard rear for the winter. I rarely come across mud and will probably never ride in snow. The BUD is the coolest looking of all Surly tires IMO, the Bud and Nate might he more than I need around here. I guess what I want is a fast tire combo for single track with traction for steep climbs.
    No doubt Knard climbs better than an Endomorph. It's faster and smoother/quieter. Especially on pavement. It does get a bit squirrelly at lower pressures, but really, most tires do. It does better as a rear than Larry, for sure.
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    Went a couple weeks ago from the stock tires (Nates) on my Pugs to a Larry in front and an Endo on the back. Faster bus less traction and the Larry had too much self-steer in my opinion. For summer probably fine. Last week I went back to the Nates, the wet muddy forest with all the slidy leaves made me order a Bud to flip on the front wheel. It will come in this week. So I'm curious...

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    Yesterday I had my first good, slick, leafy singletrack run on the Nate (r), Bud (f) combo. Tenacious grip up front and I never washed out even on the slick & leafy turns. Loved it. This will be the perfect Winter set-up. Looking forward to the snow falling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Snakebite View Post
    Went a couple weeks ago from the stock tires (Nates) on my Pugs to a Larry in front and an Endo on the back. Faster bus less traction and the Larry had too much self-steer in my opinion. For summer probably fine. Last week I went back to the Nates, the wet muddy forest with all the slidy leaves made me order a Bud to flip on the front wheel. It will come in this week. So I'm curious...
    looking forward to your review ,you wont be dissapointed

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    Quote Originally Posted by stesteste View Post
    looking forward to your review ,you wont be dissapointed
    This is exactly what i needed for autumn/winter riding! Worth the money... Together with the shorter stem, the bike handles great now.
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    Rode Nate and Bud (tubeless) on a decent ride yesterday. I am not very familiar with the trails, and there were a lot of leaves on the trail. This means I cannot see things like larger rocks or roots, and either pick the correct line or lift up on the bars to help glide over them.

    Bud did a great job of holding a line, and lessening the harshness of a rigid fork. So far soooooo good.

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    Bud and Nate. Not more then you need, just more than you're used to.

    Sorry for double upside down ness, ipad is a horrible camera
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    Quote Originally Posted by ticketchecker View Post
    Bud and Nate. Not more then you need, just more than you're used to.

    Sorry for double upside down ness, ipad is a horrible camera
    What is even more is a Lou and Nate combo. I love this combination for most terrain. You tire pressure is crucial. It could be quite high, 13-15 for hard pack or very low,7-9 for snow.
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