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    Borealis Picture and Specs Thread

    If anyone has a Yampa with a quick release frame, I thought I'd let you know that a number 58 derailleur hanger fits it.
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    ^^ good to know as I already bent 4 this winter

    Anyone else with a Yampa quick release have issues with the rear end getting loose sometimes, always crank mine down pretty hard, but sometimes it just seems to work it's way loose. Wish I had the though axle model....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC View Post
    ^^ good to know as I already bent 4 this winter

    Anyone else with a Yampa quick release have issues with the rear end getting loose sometimes, always crank mine down pretty hard, but sometimes it just seems to work it's way loose. Wish I had the though axle model....
    I have not had this problem, but the hangers are certainly soft. Very easy to bend them.

    Lars, I assume this is the one you are referring to? Wheels Manufacturing Derailleur Hanger 58

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    Borealis Picture and Specs Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    I have not had this problem, but the hangers are certainly soft. Very easy to bend them.

    Lars, I assume this is the one you are referring to? Wheels Manufacturing Derailleur Hanger 58
    Yes, that is the one. By the way, I have had no issues with the quick release getting loose, even in very rough riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC View Post
    ^^ good to know as I already bent 4 this winter

    Anyone else with a Yampa quick release have issues with the rear end getting loose sometimes, always crank mine down pretty hard, but sometimes it just seems to work it's way loose. Wish I had the though axle model....
    I have had the same issue. The last time was during the latest gravel road race here in NE Ohio. 3 of us approached the last climb together (really difficult) and I went off the front and got a gap. The climb kicks in a turn and I stood up to really go and the rear wheel popped out of the drop outs. Needless to say, I had to stop to put it back in.

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    I never experienced it, but my riding partner did. Entire wheel would pop out of the frame under hard acceleration. I think it only happened twice??? But he sold it, and got an Echo, and the QR rear end was the main reason. Fat bikes with 190, or even 170 rear spacing, need TA. Not saying a QR is going to implode at the end of your driveway, but it's an inferior design and for the life of me I don't get why anyone would buy that now, with all the options out there.

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    I had the skewer on my 9:zero:7 slip under extreme load recently, tire submarined into the left-side chainstay. I was going up a hill roughly 30% in grade, I was out of the saddle on my 32x18 singlespeed. I then tightened the skewer extra tight, so tight that it hurts my hand to disengage. Hasn’t happened again, but I am now leery to stand and mash up such steep climbs anymore on the bike. I think my next singlespeed fatbike will have to be something with a thru-axle, perhaps a Yampa or another Echo (I already own one Echo with gears, would one more be so bad? Nah!). Haven’t had this happen on my Echo with the thru-axle, have mashed up some steep stuff out of the saddle, but not in such a big gear (I think biggest I was in was 30x20 up the steep stuff).
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    Yep hard acceleration and just a couple weeks ago climbing hard out of the saddle with all my might it popped right out. Sounds like the new Yampa has a swappable rear dropout so you can run quick release or a though axle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC View Post
    Yep hard acceleration and just a couple weeks ago climbing hard out of the saddle with all my might it popped right out. Sounds like the new Yampa has a swappable rear dropout so you can run quick release or a though axle.

    For giggles and grins I raced my Yampa in a cross race. I hopped the little barriers and on the third my wheel popped out.

    I wonder if anyone makes a 190 bolt on skewer?

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    Current build

    In another thread someone asked me about my set-up so, I thought I'd post my current build:

    Borealis Picture and Specs Thread-img_20150517_124002.jpg

    Front Rim--85mm HED Carbon Rims
    Front Spoke set--DT Swiss Aerolite (272 Brake Side; 274 Drive side)
    Front Hub --SP hub dynamo (dynohub) PD-8x 32h
    Front Skewer--Carbon-Ti X-Lock QR15
    203mm Rotor--Rav X SL
    Front Innertube--Schwalbe SV13F Extra Lights, 26x2.10-3.00
    100mm Rear Rim--Sarma 100mm
    Rear Spoke set--DT Aerolite 256
    Rear Hub--Borealis 190mm QR
    Rear Skewer--Old Man Mountain
    160 mm rear disk--Origin8 Torq-Lite
    Cassette--XX-1 10-42
    Rear Innertube--Q-lite 2.7
    Frame--Borealis Yampa
    Front fork--Custom Carver Titanium Snow Fork 485mm thru axle
    Bottom Bracket--Phil Wood (100mm/155spindle w 5mm offset)
    Crank--Middleburn crank
    Front Chainwheel--Absolute black28T oval 64bcd chainring
    Pedals--Ritchey Pro Mountain V5
    Rear Derailleur--xx1
    Rear brake caliper--Avid BB7
    Front brake caliper--Avid BB7
    Front break IS Adapter--203
    Front light--Busch + Müller
    Rear light--Busch + Müller Toplight Line Plus
    Bar grips--Crank Brothers Handlebar Grips
    Brake Levers--AEST levers
    Shifters Rear--grip shifters XX1
    Chain--KMC x11
    Seat --Brooks Cambium c17s
    Seat post--Thompson Seatpost
    Kickstand--Upstand
    Rear Rack--Blackburn Blackburn XR-1
    Pannier--Arkle Dry-Lite
    Aero Bar--Profile Design T1 Aerobar and 1 AEST Brake Lever
    --Peace

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    Here is the current spec:
    -Large Echo Frame
    -Bluto Fork 100mm travel
    -Cane Creek 11 headset
    -Thomson -10 degree 80mm X4stem
    -Thomson XC 730mm flat carbon bar with ESI Chunky grips
    -Thomson Masterpiece seatpost
    -Cobb Cycling SHC Saddle
    -Race Face Next SL Crnak 32tooth ring 175 arms and Race Face BB
    -Avid XX1 Brakes 180 rotor front /160 rotor rear
    -XX1 trigger shifter, rear derailleur, and 11-42 cassette
    -Nextie-Bike Wild Dragon 90mm rims laced to Industry Nine Classic Fat Hubs
    -Knard 26x4.8 120 tpi tires tubeless
    -Time ATAC carbon pedals.
    -Arundel Sport Cages

    27.06 pounds as she sits.

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    That 27.06 can't be with pedals, cages, and sealant can it?

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    Yup. All of the above and the mount for my Garmin.

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    Sorry to those who have had wheel slip issues. We have started shipping out Paul QR's to those who have had issues and it seems to be working well for us. Just shoot an email to Leah@Fatbike.com and she should be able to get you sorted out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tri-tele View Post
    Here is the current spec:
    -Large Echo Frame
    -Bluto Fork 100mm travel
    -Cane Creek 11 headset
    -Thomson -10 degree 80mm X4stem
    -Thomson XC 730mm flat carbon bar with ESI Chunky grips
    -Thomson Masterpiece seatpost
    -Cobb Cycling SHC Saddle
    -Race Face Next SL Crnak 32tooth ring 175 arms and Race Face BB
    -Avid XX1 Brakes 180 rotor front /160 rotor rear
    -XX1 trigger shifter, rear derailleur, and 11-42 cassette
    -Nextie-Bike Wild Dragon 90mm rims laced to Industry Nine Classic Fat Hubs
    -Knard 26x4.8 120 tpi tires tubeless
    -Time ATAC carbon pedals.
    -Arundel Sport Cages

    27.06 pounds as she sits.

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    That thing is bad @ss!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tri-tele View Post
    Yup. All of the above and the mount for my Garmin.

    Awesome, I may have to be looking for some new rubber!! I have nearly the same build, but with Hed's, and I am at 27.6lbs. However, I am running Bud's and mine weight approx. 1800 grams each, which would esplain the diff. I have always loved running 2 Bud's, but now with all the choices we have, I may have to start at least considering a different tire.

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    TRI, what do you think of the Knards????

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    Quote Originally Posted by chriskmurray View Post
    Sorry to those who have had wheel slip issues. We have started shipping out Paul QR's to those who have had issues and it seems to be working well for us. Just shoot an email to Leah@Fatbike.com and she should be able to get you sorted out.
    How about front hub issues? Take the wheel off and the internal tube falls out of alignment, making it a royal pain to reinstall the front wheel. I emailed you guys months ago but got no response. Any suggestions? Right now I have a small stick in the frame bag to realign the funky tube so I can put the thru-axle back in.

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    I've been pretty happy with the knards. Got a little self steer at 7 psi but am still playing with the pressure. They roll really nice though and all the soft rubber is nice and sticky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chriskmurray View Post
    Sorry to those who have had wheel slip issues. We have started shipping out Paul QR's to those who have had issues and it seems to be working well for us. Just shoot an email to Leah@Fatbike.com and she should be able to get you sorted out.
    I was sent one of these awhile back and am happy to report I've had no slippage issues since installing, Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    How about front hub issues? Take the wheel off and the internal tube falls out of alignment, making it a royal pain to reinstall the front wheel. I emailed you guys months ago but got no response. Any suggestions? Right now I have a small stick in the frame bag to realign the funky tube so I can put the thru-axle back in.
    I have the same issue, Borialis told me my shop could press the bearings back into it, been to lazy to drop it off for them to do, but they said they could probably do it and it's not an all to uncommon problem for many hubs, personally I've never had this issue but I've run King hubs for the last 15 years and my Hope hubes for my 29+ wheelset for this bike have been bomber so far also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    How about front hub issues? Take the wheel off and the internal tube falls out of alignment, making it a royal pain to reinstall the front wheel. I emailed you guys months ago but got no response. Any suggestions? Right now I have a small stick in the frame bag to realign the funky tube so I can put the thru-axle back in.
    Like mentioned above the trick is to re-seat the bearings to press a little tighter in the axle in the hub shell. You can also pop both bearings out, clean the outside of the bearing the best you can along with cleaning the axle and place a THIN layer of green (pressfit) loctite on the ends of the axle where it rests against the inner race on the bearing and press everything back together.

    The newer style (Turnagain) hubs no longer use floating end caps so this is no longer an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC View Post
    I was sent one of these awhile back and am happy to report I've had no slippage issues since installing, Thanks!
    Good to hear!
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    Borealis Picture and Specs Thread-image.jpg

    Loving this thing!

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    Some minor changes in the setup.




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    Way cool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TankD View Post
    Some minor changes in the setup.
    That's hot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chriskmurray View Post
    Like mentioned above the trick is to re-seat the bearings to press a little tighter in the axle in the hub shell. You can also pop both bearings out, clean the outside of the bearing the best you can along with cleaning the axle and place a THIN layer of green (pressfit) loctite on the ends of the axle where it rests against the inner race on the bearing and press everything back together.

    The newer style (Turnagain) hubs no longer use floating end caps so this is no longer an issue.
    What about popping a bearing out and removing the tube completely. It can't be structural since it just floats in there. Or is it needed as an internal spacer for the bearings?

    TankD, that is smokin hot

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    My wife would like TankD's bike although it might look nicer with pink bars instead of pink grips.
    As for all of the quick release issues, it's too bad that cheap has trumped quality. I had issues with my Yampa and switched the frame for an Echo. The through axle is more compatible with cheap. And though the frame switch didn't cost much, Borealis more than made up for it with the price of the new fork that didn't come with the frame.

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    Where are all the gorgeous rides hiding? Let's not kill the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TankD View Post

    Where are all the gorgeous rides hiding?
    I know a couple of mine are hiding out in the plastic recycling pile somewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by alshead View Post
    Anyone have weights on the Turnagain FR80 rims laced to the Borealis hubs/ original/ stock wheelset? I skimmed through here and didn't see anything
    I realize i'm dredging up an old thread and I'm sure alshead could care less at this point but I was searching for this info myself and could never find it so at least if someone is searching in the future they'll know!

    Turnagain FR80 tubeless ready wheels weighed bare, no rim strips, rotors, TA's etc

    Front wheel with 150 TA hub - 1296g
    Rear wheel with 197 TA hub and XD Driver - 1411g

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