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    New question here. Bontrager Gnarwhal vs Vee Snowshoe XXL

    Hello, MTBR Fatties!
    How are you?

    My laziness of changing tire is leading me to purchasing Trek Farley 5.
    Mainly for Winter in Calgary. Commute / Trail riding. Last year model is around 1600CAD.....

    Now the title suggests..... I am into Winter tire....

    In the market Dillinger 5 studded is the market leader but.....
    I want to take advantage of Bontrager Gnarwhal Studded 27.5x4.5
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    Fattest snow tire market - Vee snowshoe XXL 26x5.05.

    What I am looking for is agility and traction in snow, commute and trail that might be packed or not groomed.

    Bontrager Gnarwhal Studded 27.5x4.5 VS Vee Snowshoe XXL 26x5.05.

    What do you think?

    Thanks.....

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    Trek Farley 5 has 26' rims so unless you are buying new wheels, the Gnarwhal in the size you listed won't fit.

    What didn't you like about the stock Barbegazi's? They are excellent tires.
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    I am willing to get new rim, if i went with gnarwhal. I like the Barbagazi, I am just looking into dedicated winter tire. Either studdable or widest track width...

    Bontrager Gnarwhal Studded 27.5x4.5 VS Vee Snowshoe XXL 26x5.05.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evei0326 View Post
    My laziness of changing tire is leading me to purchasing Trek Farley 5. Mainly for Winter in Calgary. Commute / Trail riding. Last year model is around 1600CAD.....
    That's an amazing price. If I apply the exchange rate, C$1,600 is about US$217, which is a lot cheaper than Farley's cost here. ;-)

    I want to take advantage of Bontrager Gnarwhal Studded 27.5x4.5
    or Fattest snow tire market - Vee snowshoe XXL 26x5.05.

    What I am looking for is agility and traction in snow, commute and trail that might be packed or not groomed.
    I have not tried the Gnarwhal's but I have a pair of studded Vee Snowshoe XL 4.8" that I use in winter. Of course, winter in New England is nothing like winter in Calgary...

    That said, the studded Snowshoes stick like glue in any winter condition short of 4" (10 cm) or more of fresh powder. I have yet to slide out on roads that have been plowed with packed snow on the road surface or on icy patches, even on the apex of a corner. Nothing consistently works in powder deeper than about 10 cm, especially when it's over bare frozen ground. We get a lot of powder over bare ground in my area (100 km NE of NYC) -- we get a storm, which melts off or evaporates in a couple of days as temps hover a degree or two either side of freezing, so the ground is often clear before the next snowfall. Lots of experimentation on tire pressure in powder has not given me any magical answer of how to get traction in powder.

    Some people think the Snowshoes are not great tires for winter and have others they prefer. If you've raced the Arrowhead 135 and have tried dozens of different tires, maybe you can say for sure. But for someone that only gets in 100 miles a winter on snow due to the last two mild winters in our area, the Snowshoes are more than enough and they're a lot more reasonably priced than the 45NRTH and other "famous" brands.
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    2XL are fenomenal in deep snow, and they have great float and decent traction. Make sure you get the psc (white) ones though, the black ones fail big time in sub zero temps compared to psc. 2xl saves you buying new rims, but don't be certain Farley 5 can fit them. Some have and some haven't, and they will be very tight regardless..

    BUT if you are considering new rims and can fork out the dough for some nice carbon 27,5" rims, the 4,5 size in that diameter should be pretty sweet combo. The 2xl are not for groomed tracks and they sometimes feel like dragging a boat anchor, so your alternative might be a little bit more nimble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KidCharlemagne View Post
    That's an amazing price. If I apply the exchange rate, C$1,600 is about US$217, which is a lot cheaper than Farley's cost here. ;-)
    Not 217USD ^^

    1600 Canadian Dollar equals 1175.04 US Dollar
    1 : 0.73

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy81 View Post
    2XL are fenomenal in deep snow, and they have great float and decent traction. Make sure you get the psc (white) ones though, the black ones fail big time in sub zero temps compared to psc. 2xl saves you buying new rims, but don't be certain Farley 5 can fit them. Some have and some haven't, and they will be very tight regardless..
    Quote Originally Posted by akacoke View Post
    here is the updated list of compatible frames and forks:

    Blackborrow size m and above frame and fork
    Surly ict frame and fork
    Quering Tripple b frame and fork
    Reeb badonkadonk frame and fork
    RSD Mayor (alu) frame and fork (limit to 80mm rims)
    Meriwether frame and fork
    Carver (titanium) frame and fork
    Pole taiga (frame and fork)
    Motobecane FB5 (frame only)
    197mm rear Trek Farley 5 and 7 works with both 80 and 90mm rims
    9:zero:7 Whiteout (FORK ONLY)
    OEM specialized fatboy 135x9 qr front fork both alloy and carbon. require removal of brake caliper
    Connondale Lefty Max 140 reduced to 110mm with MSC fat clamp and dished
    150x15mm carbon fork off of trek farley


    A few more out of Norway:
    -Diamant BLCK Diamond X1 (455mm CS)
    -Nakamura Big Bob F50 (455mm CS)
    -Diamant BLCK Diamond X2 (467mm CS)
    X1 and F50 come stock with JJ 4.8 on 90mm rims, but frame accepts 2XL on 100mm. Fork (Bluto) limited to 4.8'' on 100mm rims.
    X2 comes with 2XL on 100mm rims, ie. 5.2'' casing width. Both frame (aluminum) and fork (carbon) fit up to 5.6'' (ie. ''3XL'' on 100mm+rim)

    Not sure on the specifics of these:
    KHS 1000
    KHS 4 seasons 3000
    Fuji Wendigo (frame only?) which is the same frame as Motobecane FB5?

    forks dont clear:
    bluto(does not clear on sides and arch)
    renagade (clears sides not the arch by about 5mm)
    Wren forks, due to flexing forks leans and tire will contact left leg
    Huffy fits XL not 2XL

    Yea... they only fit rear.....

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