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    Black Floyds

    Wearing down my BF's after 2500 miles. Called Surly to see where they are with this tire and was told they are being reworked and will be available in the not too distant future. Very good news.

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    If they figure out the self steer I would totally buy these again. They just keep rolling.
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    I've been running 30psi with zero self steer. All on asphalt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    ^ no point in a fat tire with those presures
    Exactly. The whole point of running absurdly large tires on pavement is for cheap pneumatic suspension. If I can't have the suspension (30 psi is rock hard for those), I don't want 'em.
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    Hope they fit on clownshoes... I want some speed this summer! (cheap)ish

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    In my short fat bike career I have learned that tire pressure is primarily a function of the surface to be ridden on. With hard smooth surfaces allowing the highest pressures and the softest surfaces requiring the lowest pressure. Riding on pavement requires little to no bump absorption and there is tremendous benefit to lower rolling resistance hence higher pressures no matter what tire is used. At 18 pounds I find Floyds have much less self steer on pavement than they do at say 12 pounds. Even then I don't really even notice it. And anywhere other than pavement at any pressure with Floyds there is no noticeable self steer. I did a "citizen" type mountain bike race with them this summer and finished 250th out of 500 which is good for me as I'm not really a very strong rider. About 150 people ahead of me were on cyclocross bikes to give you an idea of the type of race this was. There were a total of 7 fat bikes in the race and only one finished ahead (way ahead) of me and he and I were the only ones on Floyds. I firmly believe the other 5 guys would have been faster on Floyds. They are a fantastic tire under the right conditions.

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    Great news! I'll definitely buy more.

    I run 'em around 20 for my pavement commute all summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    hookworms are my current street fave
    I like those too, but I run Schwalbe Big Apples for the reflective stripe and easier flat changes, which don't happen much in either tire anyway =P
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    The Pugs turns out to be a ideal "rail trail bike" for fun and fitness. I can get a really good workout at lower speeds which mixes better with folks walking, running, w/kids, dogs, etc. There is such a trail right out my back door so it is real easy and fun to go grab a ride.
    I also have a set of wheels with Nates for everything else. And psi IS key with a fatbike as said. I've been riding like this for 5 years. My Roubaix is been relegated to winter indoor training. I'm off the roads.

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    Does anyone have any idea on timing for these and the TPI for the new design?

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    Is there a definitive "street tire" thread? Would it be worth starting one?

    It looks like there are, in 3.0 or larger, the:
    Black floyds, 3.8 $90 or $120
    3g Boa-G, 3.8, $50
    Kenda/Sunlite Flame, 3.0, $30
    Vee Rubber Speedster, 3.5, $70


    Anything else? I'm looking at picking up a set for commuting and rail-trailing, in an effort to save my real treads for off-road/winter stuff.

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    I have a kenda flame on my semi fat big dummy. It's like 1130g (heavier than a floyd), handles poorly, and when I ride on wet pavement it makes a constant fart noise. I guess that last one is kind of a bonus.

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    Here is a white-wall version of the speedster, looks pretty cool to me and only $45 each...

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    Has anyone ridden the Speedster for 2000+ miles? I'm looking for something to commute on occasionally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Diller View Post
    Exactly. The whole point of running absurdly large tires on pavement is for cheap pneumatic suspension. If I can't have the suspension (30 psi is rock hard for those), I don't want 'em.
    BF's w/30 psi make the Pugs handle like a Ducati

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    love my black floyds
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    Anybody ever fitted Black Floyds to a Moonlander? Reports please and pics if you have.

    Brian

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    Quote Originally Posted by keyhavenpotterer View Post
    Anybody ever fitted Black Floyds to a Moonlander? Reports please and pics if you have.

    Brian
    Looking for pic of Black Floyds on a Moonlander

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    Thanks, perhaps I will stick to BFL's, although this Pugsley looks great. Will the new version handle differently somehow? The old version seemed quite capable here A foolish ride - Black Floyd content.

    Is it ok to buy old stock if you can find them?

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    If you want Black Floyds and can't get them consider finding some worn out Larrys of BFLs and using them as slicks.
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    Can anyone comment on how the floyds handle street, skate park or trials riding?
    Looks like they would be fun if they would hold up.

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    They're also good on the road
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    I run at least 20psi on the street or "self steer" becomes too annoying to deal with. It's really quite dangerous on singletrack when you have to run lower pressure. They'll steer you into stuff. I've clipped trees before.

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    exactly

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    They need to redesign the profile of the tire and lessen the contact patch. If they made these more egg shaped they wouldn't be so grabby. The same concept applies to vehicals with really wide front tires, although they call it a radial pull.

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    All this self steer problem disappears with steeper HAs.
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    For some reason there are stocks of Black Floyds in the UK. Found a pair at a good price and they have just arrived. Here they are on my Moonlander. I wasn't completely sure how they would look, perhaps anaemic, but they still look big to most people and I think she looks ok.





    I put 20psi in to seat them and have a first quick spin. First impression, quick, quiet, no feeling of flogging myself to death as one does with Bud and Lou on tarmac.

    What I wanted was to be able to use one bike across a wide range and I think I may have that, with these three sets of tyres, Black Floyd, BFL's and Bud and Lou.

    As far as wandering and such, might have been a small amount on the road, which I don't ride on normally. Before I put them on I had a ride around on the road on my Bud and Lou, and have to say those huge knobs mean you are hardly connected to the surface at all. So any worry about BF's is tiny in comparison.

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    The more I ride them, the more I am impressed with what they can handle. Mud and snow are of course nearly impossible, but sand, loose or hard packed dirt, tarmac, and even rocks are a breeze. I've ridden dry riverbeds with 6" rocks and didn't break a sweat. Emphasis on "dry"

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    Could I ask what tire pressures you have found work best? As someone new to the BF's I am thinking 20psi down to say 15psi range, so would be good to know what works.

    Brian

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    Pressure depends on the surface. I use anywhere between 8 - 15psi.

    My normal setting is 8psi for almost everything but the road, although I did do 80 miles onroad at 8 psi.

    Just be aware of the bounce factor with the higher pressure - if you hit an obstacle at speed you can get considerable unexpected altitude. This may or may not be a good thing.

    Don't worry too much about pressures because you'll find it's more based on what feels good to you rather than science, and the tyres have enough volume that you're unlikely to damage them.
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    I go from 8 - 10 psi on sand, to 12 - 15 on gravel/stone/dirt, and 17 - 18 psi on asphalt/concrete. Not scientific, just personal preference.

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    These tires are really quite interesting.

    Took a ride this morning over a number of my local surfaces to see how the tires performed. Pressure at 15 psi.

    Riding along the cliff top path, which is fine gravel over hardcore. Slight wander, slightly detatched at the ahead position. Very easy roll.

    Across the hard surface seafront, more wander but nothing to concern with such easy rolling. Speed slow, say 8 mph.

    Next section is very loose largish pebble over hardpack at the back of the sea wall. This is not ride-able on a 29er, easy on BFL's, even easier on Bud and Lou. Quite surprised. They went across easy, no bother at all. Float working great,

    Next section, is up the pebble slope onto the top of the shingle bank. Failed last week on my 29er. Easy on the BF's. Well chuffed.

    Along the top of the bank, the first section is compressed shingle. Easy on a 29er, and easy on the BF's.

    Dropping off down the steep side of the bank, no issue. Did loose the back end turning too fast at the bottom. Fair enough.

    Sea wall section is hard pack with muddy puddles after rain. Again no problems. Tires fine through shallow muddy puddles.

    Short section of single track across salt marshes, more comfortable than Fargo, I guess more squish.

    Heading back along a gravel track which was ruined recently when they resurfaced it with the worst sharp edged pointed gravel you have ever ridden on. The Fargo flies along this though, and so did the Moonie with BF's.

    Now a road section with the wind on my back. On the big ring, riding about 12/15 mph no wander or looseness in the steering. Easy rolling, no noise.

    So, first impressions are really good. Brings a whole new range of possibility for my Moonlander, or any fat bike which cannot fit 29er+ or 29er. Two tires are much cheaper than two wheelsets and two tires.

    To ride any distance off road locally for me, means Forest gravel fire roads, cliff top tracks so it's great to look forward to doing that on my Moonie.

    Couple of pics of the treads when I got home.





    The tires were muddy across the whole width working in the muddy puddle, and then cleaned up on the road. The first picture shows the central cleaned section which is 2" wide. The second pic is the rear and the cleaned section is 2 1/2" wide.

    So the rounded profile gives 2" or so tires for the road, and up to just under 4" float over pebbles.

    Brian

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    Quote Originally Posted by keyhavenpotterer View Post
    ...Brings a whole new range of possibility for my Moonlander, or any fat bike which cannot fit 29er+ or 29er. Two tires are much cheaper than two wheelsets and two tires.

    To ride any distance off road locally for me, means Forest gravel fire roads, cliff top tracks so it's great to look forward to doing that on my Moonie....
    That's why I haven't bothered building myself a 29er wheelset for the fatbike.
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    My biggest issues with the BFs was that they were extremely easy to flat - at least with the goathead thorns we have here in Colorado. The tires are awesome on the tarmac, but the soft, thin, pliable rubber was a little too soft, thin and pliable for the thorns around here - even with a ton of Stans in the tubes. I tried to get them to mount tubeless, but had no success on my holy rolling darrryls.

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    I have those Sunlite (white strip Speedsters but with wire bead). They are kinda heavy, and the differing tread pattern from center to side has some odd and annoying handling characteristics. Especially on a 100mm rim. On a 65 (marge lite) they are ok if you run at least 20psi, but then it's like riding on the rim. I can't imagine BF's handling worse?

    Either way, I think I'd rather have BF's than the Speedsters. The transition from center to side tread is downright scary at speed. Get any surface not perfectly flat and they just become unpredictable.

    Looking forward to these come springtime.
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    I reckon the new BF's should have edge grip like this new gravel racer tire.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

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    Quote Originally Posted by keyhavenpotterer View Post
    I reckon the new BF's should have edge grip like this new gravel racer tire.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater
    Ah...Somebody...4.8 & 3.8...Please?

    Look like the best potential for a great sand tire yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    looks a lot like the endo don't it
    Sure does...but...BETTER?

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