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    Some footage of using the Snowdog to groom my local trails still tweaking a smaller footprint stand on groomer, so for now still using the sled. https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=TeivfmlP2H0

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    I'm jealous of your snow! Since I bought one, we've had a bit of a thaw and most of the snow is gone! I also wonder why I have an all-black Snowdog 10hp compact when most others have the snow-camo look.
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    the weekend I got it. we had just got socked with 12 inches of new on top of probably 8 inches. the increased drag from the sled, made it tough going, I tossed on some short skis and did a first pass, then the sled with the second.

    still working on a smaller footprint stand on top of groomer, took a bunch of old skis cut them in half and attached them to a board with a rubber car mat on top for boot traction. first attached it with cable to snowdog.. bad idea, no control... now solid piece of wood, but I need to create and attach perhaps two runners on bottom to give leverage something to push against when manuvering... my trails are very tight and twisty... but with some practice it is working well. keeping the left side (clutch belt) side on the up hill side of the trail helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twright205 View Post
    Some footage of using the Snowdog to groom my local trails still tweaking a smaller footprint stand on groomer, so for now still using the sled. https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=TeivfmlP2H0
    Good stuff, Thom! I'm loving the Snowdog, it is fun to operate besides being really versatile and getting thru tight spots the snowmobile would not fit.

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    I'm jealous of your snow! Since I bought one, we've had a bit of a thaw and most of the snow is gone! I also wonder why I have an all-black Snowdog 10hp compact when most others have the snow-camo look.
    We have 3 distinct layers of hard crust that is pretty challenging to groom. The ground pressure is light enough with these machines that you don't break through much. Time it right and it works great though.

    Consider yourself special, i ordered a black one and Vlad said he just sold the last one. So mine is white camo like Thom's.

    I'm also working on a small stand-up groomer which will have 3 or 4 skegs on bottom. I bought 2 pieces of comb from Yellowstone Track Systems for a trailing edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    Good stuff, Thom! I'm loving the Snowdog, it is fun to operate besides being really versatile and getting thru tight spots the snowmobile would not fit.


    We have 3 distinct layers of hard crust that is pretty challenging to groom. The ground pressure is light enough with these machines that you don't break through much. Time it right and it works great though.

    Consider yourself special, i ordered a black one and Vlad said he just sold the last one. So mine is white camo like Thom's.

    I'm also working on a small stand-up groomer which will have 3 or 4 skegs on bottom. I bought 2 pieces of comb from Yellowstone Track Systems for a trailing edge.
    nice, toss pics up when done,, i am hoping that one of my welding friends get some time to make a proper one.. but we got snow now, so I need to groom... I was able to get around to about 6 miles of trail last night within a 2 hour window... keeping up with the continued snowfall is key from what I hear... but at least with my trails, it ain't just point and shoot, a lot of body language happening behind the handlebars to get it to where you want it to go, once you have the track set, quicker and easier the next times around.

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    Q/ What do you call July and August in Canada?
    A/ Two months of dusty biking.

    Courtesy of a new SnoDog and the determined efforts of Belterskelter (another dude on this forum) our little ski town of Rossland, BC now has some WWS (Wicked Winter Singletrack). The Dawg has only been here for two weeks but it's already carved out a rolling 7-kilometre loop on our local golf course plus a few of the easier summer bike/hike trails are seeing some corduroy love, with more flow in the works. Where else can a person enjoy a 3-hour fat bike ride, on white singletrack, beginning and ending at the LBS and adjacent brew pub?

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    conditions were perfect today.. a few passes over the last few days with the snowdog... and some riders out yesterday, made today so nice.. sorry for the length and no music, but it was a blast.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc5F...ature=youtu.be

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    Are any of you SnowDog owners having clutch issues? Mine won't disengage and the sled moves when you try to start it. Consequently it won't idle because it bogs down & stalls. I pulled the cover off tonight but can't figure out what is going on. Does this look right?
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    I haven't used mine in a month, as we've lost all our snow. The belt should be pretty loose when not running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    Are any of you SnowDog owners having clutch issues? Mine won't disengage and the sled moves when you try to start it. Consequently it won't idle because it bogs down & stalls. I pulled the cover off tonight but can't figure out what is going on. Does this look right?
    Radair, that looks like a Comet Series 40 driver/clutch, I am willing to bet it's a lube issue inside the drive unit, either with the moveable sheave and/or the roller weights (the thing shown in your second photo, and one on right in your last photo is the drive unit). There are a few videos on net showing how to service these, here's one that should give a good idea of the inner workings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C.P. View Post
    Radair, that looks like a Comet Series 40 driver/clutch, I am willing to bet it's a lube issue inside the drive unit, either with the moveable sheave and/or the roller weights (the thing shown in your second photo, and one on right in your last photo is the drive unit). There are a few videos on net showing how to service these, here's one that should give a good idea of the inner workings.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3FCcLlR-sg
    Awesome, thank you! Snowdog sent a pdf manual on checking and upgrading drive pulley so I'm going to get into it soon.

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    The link C.P. sent was a big help to resolve a simple problem. One of the roller weights in the primary drive was skewed so it was as simple as putting it back into its track. Dry-lubed it all while I had it open as it was bone dry.

    I started working on a stand-up grooming sled. I scored a 2' square of Grip-Strut from a friend in the tower business. I welded a yoke to a piece of beefy angle and welded that to the platform. I screwed & bolted a couple 2x6 sleepers to the bottom and cut up a pair of twin-tip skis. I screwed a pair of Yellowstone Track Systems combs to the trailing edge, and am going to attach three L1.5 x 1/8 angles as skegs between the skis. I like these, as they will help protect the P-Tex and combs on the one road crossing I need to do.

    I still need to drill out and extend a piece of 2" square tube steel for the connecting arm.
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    Finished off the grooming sled tonight. Stoked to try it out tomorrow but will ride first thing in the morning while it's all frozen. Today's ride made all the Snowdog effort worthwhile.
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    OK, I'll let this one die after this. Works great but 55 degrees F is way too warm!
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    That looks great!
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    Nicely done! I imagine the three L1.5 x 1/8 angles/skegs make it easier and more stable to handle turning etc standing up? I am intrigued by these tracksleds for SEMASS, and since we get less snow (esp the last few years) I keep wondering if they can be used in other seasons to pull materials to project sites or if there would be too much risk to damaging the track.

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    Their videos show them used on dry-ish land, and people are buying them around here for hunting. I bought one with summer use in mind as well. It could be an extra hand when moving downed trees, or using the sled to move dirt.
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    Chris, the skegs are so you can track on off-camber terrain and turn in firm conditions. When I first received the unit we had a hard crust layer that the sled runners did not penetrate. Try to turn and you just pushed the sled off to the side. So the skegs would not really be needed in soft conditions but are needed on harder snow. Plus they provide some protection to the P-Tex and combs. They could probably be shallower but that's what I had on hand.

    Tough call on summer use. I am not anticipating using it on dirt and your area is so rocky that I suspect you'd be tearing up the track pretty quickly. It would be great if it worked well on dirt; it would be easy to build a wheeled sled for hauling materials.

    We still have not bought a Muck Truck - can't seem to find one and I even called them and left a message.

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    Hello,
    As I have mentioned before, we are working on a trail groomer, that can be mass produced at reasonable price. Here at this link we are already offering a ski groomer, you can take a look at the design here:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/kve4kyb4b0...00199.PDF?dl=0

    We have worked on a little and plan to manufacture a fat bike groomer.
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/tv61yopedf...oomer.PDF?dl=0

    It will 100% metal, powder coated. Please let me know your thoughts about it.

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    or here is another device, that one of our dealers has created.
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    I built a similar machine three years ago and have been using it in Madison Wisconsin ever since with some tweaks. Here's a video from the first test run.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHFYmehzE3o

    I've found that trying to shave peaks and carry snow like a snowmobile trail groomer is unnecessary for bike trails. A basic sled flattens the trail just fine and uses less power. If the trail is truly ice, you can't fix it anyway with a machine this size (you need a power tiller and a lot more weight and horsepower like a groomer at a ski resort).

    The final drag (V3) is basically a steel and composite sled that creates a ridged surface and glides over concrete on wheels with a special hitch for weight distribution. Unfortunately, I don't have many photos or videos of the machine due to limited use with the warm winter the past two winters.

    Here's a photo of the groomer on the first demo drive around the yard and the V3 drag.

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    Home-built Tracksled Experiences

    After a few months of constructing, using, revising, and perfecting a home version of a Tracksled for Fat Bike grooming I think this is about as good of tool as I can make.
    The first version had the engine mounted on top the frame and more forward. This worked well on flat, open terrain, but was nowhere near stable enough to use for grooming the singletrack we were trying to use. I quit counting after tipping the sled on its side 10 times on a 7 mile loop.
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    A few hours of cutting/welding later I had moved the engine to the center of gravity and as low as possible without interfering with the track. This made a huge difference. The sled was now very stable and turned much easier than the first version. The 7 mile summer singletrack test loop was fully groomed in just over an hour. This thing was looking promising but while steering was easier than the first version still was quite an upper body workout.
    The final modification made the steering far less dependent on upper body strength. I moved the groomer attachment to the Tracksled from the "bumper pull" location to a "gooseneck" connection. The thought was with the rear connection when standing on groomer you have to essentially lift/move half of you body weight each time you turned the sled. This contraption is actually a skid steer of sorts and lifting anything more than weight of the machine was a waste of energy. By moving the groomer connection close to the sleds center of gravity it made a huge improvement in the effort steering the sled took.

    Version 2.0
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    The next one I build will be far more "clean" as the various adjustments, and modifications left this one not quite as clean as I wanted. One side note is the seat on the groomer plays an important part in steering the sled as well. It allows a better leverage point when skid steering the sled went seated or standing by pressing the seat against the inner thigh.

    Version 3.0
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