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    No Malus

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino81 View Post
    So I'm gonna pull the trigger on the argus sport from nashbar.
    I would have considered a Malus, if it had an alloy frame.
    Motivation for maintaining a bike with rusting frame is hard to find.

    Mongoose is just a name. Pacific/Dorel make tons of bikes;
    some are great values; some are great bikes; others are neither.

    This thread is a corollary to The fat bike bubble has burst
    in that fat bikes are largely about tires, and it takes a Pacific to generate volumes that excite tire manufacturers to develop good cheap fat tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovespicyfood View Post
    Nashbar has a 25% coupon
    Amazon's 2015 large Argus is now $590..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino81 View Post
    Tho talking to local bike shops they speak very lowly of mongoose(Walfart bikes)
    You can't really cast the Wallmart Mongoose bikes in the same light as the "real" Mongoose bikes.

    Just like you can't compare the crappy "Gourmet Line" of Wusthof kitchen knives on Amazon with real Wusthof knives (especially when the Gourmet ones start to rust).

    Mongoose sells many bike models that cost thousands of dollars in retail shops.

    Look at their 2016 dealer catalog to see how much higher end stuff they make; and you won't see any of it at Wallmart:

    https://issuu.com/alexandrpanasovsky/docs/mongoose_2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by vid1900 View Post
    Expert/Comp rear brake hose apparantly runs along down tube front; that seems unnecessarily vulnerable.

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    Yeah I didn't reallize till I started researching mongoose was owned by a parent company that made other higher end bikes and they had separated the mongoose brand into a store brand and non store brand. Which I think has done wonders for creation of a higher end bike at still a good price point for people like me.

    An comparing store bought items to non store bought has no comparison in a lot of items we as consumers buy. So I agree that trying to compare the one to the other is like apples to oranges.







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    Quote Originally Posted by blekenbleu View Post
    Expert/Comp rear brake hose apparantly runs along down tube front; that seems unnecessarily vulnerable.
    The line does run off to one side, but you could reroute it if you wanted to.
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    2015 small Argus bigger than 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by blekenbleu View Post
    small standover should be about 1/2 inch lower than medium
    2016 catalog lists different Argus seat tube lengths than BikeAndRide.cz;
    2016 small top tube should be about 1/2 inch lower than medium at head tube and 1 1/4 lower at seat tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino81 View Post
    Which I think has done wonders for creation of a higher end bike at still a good price point for people like me.
    Exactly.

    The volume that Mongoose sells allows us to have a bike like the Argus Expert for even less money than a company like BikesDirect sells a comparable one for.

    So if the Dolomite is the gateway drug of the fatbike world, let the public keep buying them up....

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    horses for courses

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovespicyfood View Post
    Been wanting a fat bike for awhile but not sure
    I apologize for not addressing an implicit question.
    Specifically, 100mm rims are one key Argus attribute,
    and those wider rims increase flotation and support, along with wider forks and stays, even wider tires appropriate for traditional fat tire bike environments: snow, mud and sand.

    However, many riders, perhaps including you, are now more involved in curb and rock hopping and/or downhill root riding, for whom wider rims can be disadvantageous: more vulnerable to damage and, particularly with wire bead tires, reducing shock absorbtion.
    80mm and narrower rims can be more suitable for those riders, making e.g. Nashbar's proprietary fat tire bike or one of Bikesdirect's offerings a better recommendation, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blekenbleu View Post
    .

    However, many riders, perhaps including you, are now more involved in curb and rock hopping and/or downhill root riding, for whom wider rims can be disadvantageous: more vulnerable to damage and, particularly with wire bead tires, reducing shock absorbtion.
    80mm and narrower rims can be more suitable for those riders, making e.g. Nashbar's proprietary fat tire bike or one of Bikesdirect's offerings a better recommendation, IMO.
    If you want an Argus with narrower rims, get the 2015 Argus (under $500 when on sale):

    https://www.amazon.com/Mongoose-Argu...mongoose&psc=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by vid1900 View Post
    If you want an Argus with narrower rims, get the 2015 Argus (under $500 when on sale):

    https://www.amazon.com/Mongoose-Argu...mongoose&psc=1
    Per the mongoose website the 2015 bike has 93mm rims so thats not exactly narrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jd10ac View Post
    Per the mongoose website the 2015 bike has 93mm rims so thats not exactly narrow.
    Looking at both bikes side by side, the Argus 2016 look much wider than the Argus 2015.

    I did not measure the 2015, but the 2016 is 101mm on the calipers.

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    Interesting, thank you for all the info! I sure like that blue on the '15 and it seems to be a bit better spec'd. Wish I could ride a small as that is under $500 right now. According to Camelcamelcamel the medium I need only went down to $583 which was not too long ago...

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    bye, gone tinkling

    Quote Originally Posted by blekenbleu View Post
    Tinkling is still audible. I'm beginning to suspect brake pads.
    Unlike BB7s to which I will upgrade,
    stock calipers lack pad spring-loading.
    Stock calipers were magnetic, but evidently not enough.
    Tinkling disappeared after replacing rear caliper.
    Similar sound from BB7-updated front wheel when cornering
    seems more likely attributable to spokes.

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    Took both my bikes out for a little ride today and even though they both have the same size tires one sure does require a lot less effort to ride.
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    Man, so detailed! thanks for this! I just got the next model up Argus (SLX, Deore, Sram Crank, Tektro Hydros). Amazon had it for $688 (crazy one time deal, it is back up to $999 now) and I guess Performance is trying to get into the online bike service game b/c they offered FREE shipping/assembly/tuning when the bike is sent to their store closest to you. Of course, they try to sell you a service plan but I didn't bite. I WILL, however, follow your recommendations. Again, great job! I was back and forth about the size but I am glad I went with the MED. I did need to get an aftermarket 400mm seatpost but the standover and top tube were perfect for a 5'11" 32" inseam guy.

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    widths

    Quote Originally Posted by vid1900 View Post
    2016 is 101mm on the calipers.
    I wonder whether Expert/Comp rims (more comparable to 2015) measure the same.
    FWIW, chainstay width measures ~131mm @ widest sidewall,
    while forks measure ~ 136mm. Seatstays measure ~141mm.
    In other words, not ideal for Snowshoe 2XL tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chepato View Post
    I guess Performance is trying to get into the online bike service game
    Mongoose recently cut a deal for Amazon to handle online 2017 sales, while Mongoose/Pacific handle customer service.
    Mongoose?s new bikes for 2017 ? the Tyax Supa plus bike, Argus 24 mini fat bike, Teocali and more - Mtbr.com
    A resonable move, with many US bike shops avoiding Mongoose and shopper whines about higher than Walmart prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chepato View Post
    I guess Performance is trying to get into the online bike service game b/c they offered FREE shipping/assembly/tuning when the bike is sent to their store closest to you.
    It may be cheaper for Mongoose to pay shops to assemble the bikes, rather than have end-users quickly kill them by riding on too tight bearing cones, or rubbing brakes.

    Around here, a bike costs about $100 for full prep and assembly.

    Mongoose might be paying $50 to the shop, and the shop gets a new customer (Who will probably want a more comfortable saddle, a rear rack, a helmet.....). If a LBS really makes it appear that they are "full service", "experts", and "bending over backwards", they could earn a customer for life.

    Win/win

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    argus expert

    Here are a few photo's of my Expert, still in winter mode. I wouldn't recommend these tires for summer use




    up front


    thru axle front and rear, Saint brakes, Mulefut rims, custom rim stip, Dunderbeist rear tire. not stock


    That purple!


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    Quote Originally Posted by skota23 View Post
    Here are a few photo's of my Expert, still in winter mode. I wouldn't recommend these tires for summer use
    Great looking shop, and I like those rim strips!

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    Man that argus expert looks awesome!




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    Quote Originally Posted by blekenbleu View Post
    To me, it depends on costs and benefits.

    twice

    True, and i considered an Expert for Bluto, but am comfortable with QR for rear hub and hope 15x150mm front hubs will drop from current $80 or so.
    It's unclear >>for me, beach riding<< how much better is Bluto than would be an ebay $100 fat squish fork, and it seems that a Wren may turn out to be cheaper and better,
    except heavier, than Bluto,
    so my total personalized Sport cost could be somewhat lower than for a personalized Expert, even if some components (specifically juice brakes, BB and rear hub, about which I personally care less) are not so nice.

    At any rate, I am more comfortable with costs for incremental improvements,
    which are also learning experiences.
    Other than thru axle provision and tapered head tubes,
    Sport frames appear similar to Comp/Expert.

    At 41 pounds, a heavier fork for my Sport is not so attractive now;
    with fewer tourists trampling sand, speeding along the beach with a rigid fork is less jolting.
    You don't happen to have a link to any of the fat squish forks from eBay that work with the argus sport model? For $100 to upgrade to a squish fork, I might be tempted for the dirt road riding which has plenty of whooped whoops!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino81 View Post
    You don't happen to have a link to any of the fat squish forks from eBay that work with the argus sport model? For $100 to upgrade to a squish fork, I might be tempted for the dirt road riding which has plenty of whooped whoops!
    This one looks correct AFAICT, but double check your measurement.

    ....and with 16GB storage capacity, how can you go wrong?



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    Haha yeah I'm sold with 16gb of storage that is impressive!






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    don't try this at home

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino81 View Post
    You don't happen to have a link to any of the fat squish forks from eBay that work with the argus sport model?
    No guarantees; may require a hub change to replace QR axle with thru:
    Snow Beach Sand Fork 4 0 Fat Mountain Bike Electric Suspension Cruiser 135 150mm | eBay

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    Thanks guys for info










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    Quote Originally Posted by skota23 View Post
    Here are a few photo's of my Expert, still in winter mode. I wouldn't recommend these tires for summer use




    up front


    thru axle front and rear, Saint brakes, Mulefut rims, custom rim stip, Dunderbeist rear tire. not stock


    That purple!


    shreddy ready
    When will we see that for sale in the US? I keep suggesting that bike and see its sold out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bitflogger View Post
    When will we see that for sale in the US? I keep suggesting that bike and see its sold out.
    It's in stock, in all 3 sizes at Nashbar right now.

    Mongoose Argus Expert Fat Bike

    Every few weeks Nashbar will have their 25% off everything sale, making it $1199

    Today, Nashbar has a 23% off sale, so it's $1231 <<<--- don't pay it, unless you have $31 to toss away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vid1900 View Post
    It's in stock, in all 3 sizes at Nashbar right now.

    Mongoose Argus Expert Fat Bike

    Every few weeks Nashbar will have their 25% off everything sale, making it $1199

    Today, Nashbar has a 23% off sale, so it's $1231 <<<--- don't pay it, unless you have $31 to toss away!
    I meant the Mongoose direct site and the black bike I'm the 2017 catalog.

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitflogger View Post
    I meant the Mongoose direct site and the black bike I'm the 2017 catalog.

    Thank you.
    Right now, you would probably have to go to your local Mongoose dealer, because I have not seen them at any online retailer.

    Same as the Argus Competition; no USA online shops ever picked it up.
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    Not sure when the 2017 bikes will be in stock, I'm pretty sure we are going to be only selling bikes on Amazon for 2017.
    Mongoose product development

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    Quote Originally Posted by skota23 View Post
    Not sure when the 2017 bikes will be in stock, I'm pretty sure we are going to be only selling bikes on Amazon for 2017.
    Perfect. You probably know who I am and why I ask! Let's get organized on that for our next "global fat bike day".

    Thx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vid1900 View Post
    Today, Nashbar has a 23% off sale, so it's $1231 <<<--- don't pay it, unless you have $31 to toss away!
    I'd feel worse about salting and sanding a bike that pretty and pricey.

    Folks may toss that $31 at another saddle;
    Mongoose could consider some deal with e.g. WTB;
    customers could select both frame and saddle sizes..

    The ~ Army green 2016 Sport has more off-road vibe,
    but I expect that 2017 Sport in red finish will sell really well.

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    rear rack

    This rack fits well, seems sturdy and is relatively inexpensive:

    Bicycle Carrier Rear Luggage Rack Bracket Aluminum for Disc Brake V Brake Bike | eBay

    It was cheaper from Amazon in early August, but is currently unavailable
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F8RZF2W

    Brazeon mounts space braces out further than necessary,
    but arguable help protect rear brake and derailleur.
    Splash board is presumably less effective than a dedicated rear fender.
    Spring-loaded clamp is less flexible than bungee cords.
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    Argus Expert

    Here is the Argus Expert unboxing:

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    Specs:

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    • BRAKES Hayes Radar Comp hydraulic disc w/ 180mm rotors front/rear
    • LEVERS Hayes Radar Comp hHydraulic
    • BOTTOM BRACKET FSA MegaExo


    • CASSETTE Shimano HG50 10-speed, 11-36T


    • CHAIN KMC X10 10-speed with EPT anti-rust coating


    • CRANKSET FSA Comet with Mega Tooth 38/24T chainrings


    • FORK Rock Shox Bluto Solo Air RL, 120mm travel, 15x150mm thru-axle
    • Headset: VP-J203PE


    • STEM 3D forged aluminum, 35mm clamp diameter


    • FRAME Mongoose MTB aluminum fat tire hardtail


    • FRONT DERAILLEUR Shimano SLX M676 direct mount


    • GRIPS- Mongoose


    • HANDLEBAR Double-butted aluminum, 35mm clamp diameter, 760mm width




    • PEDALS Alloy platform w/replaceable studs


    • REAR DERAILLEUR Shimano XT RD-786 10-speed


    • SEATPOST Aluminum 31.6mm x 350mm


    • SHIFTERS Shimano Deore M618 2x10-speed




    • TIRES Kenda Juggernaut 26x4.5 Gumwall


    • WHEELSET Rims: 26" aluminum, 32 hole, 100mm wide with cutouts; Hubs: Alloy disc, 32 hole, Front=150mm thru-axle, Rear=190mm thru-axle; Spokes: Stainless steel

    SIZES S M L

    Large Size Measurements:

    Where Seat Tube meets Top Tube: 30.25"

    Where balls hit Top Tube if you slip from seat: 31.5"

    Where Top Tube meets Head Tube: 38.25"
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    One tight bundle + a goodie box.
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    Love those tires... can't seem to find them anywhere.

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    4.5" Gumwall tires look badass on a Fatbike.

    Rims are Anodized; a more durable finish than paint:
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    For shipping, the Stem is installed upsidedown.

    Every pic of this bike on the web shows final assembly with it still installed upsidedown, I don't know why.
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    The Roxshox Fork
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    The Arm is self-extracting, so you don't need a puller tool to remove it.

    All you need is an 8mm Allen.
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    The Arm being removed:

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    The Arm removed revealing the Spacer, Washer and Spring Washer (sometimes called Wavy or Belvidere Washer).
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    Make sure these go back on the correct order when you reassemble:
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    The open ended BB tool is nice because you can use it to tighten things up without removing the pedals.

    Shimano TL-FC32 BB Cup Installation Tool > Accessories > Tools > Bottom Bracket Tools | Jenson USA
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    Here you can see that the factory put No-Ox on the threads.



    (Of course I put more on, and covered all the deeper threads too)
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    Full Speed Ahead MegaExo BB Bearing:
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    10 speed Shimano cassette.
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