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    Anybody interested in Fatback Carbon???


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    ...so that's what Greg meant the other day when he told me he has "some really badass stuff in the works"...
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    Did not realize they were the market leader.....Thought that title was held by QBP with Surly and Salsa under their helm.

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    This piece is pre-rough draft stage that someone put together. It is not factually correct, and was not meant for release. I had not even seen it myself until now.
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    'Fatback is the market leader for fat tire bikes'


    A bold statement!

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    Yeah, since their carbon is only in a "pre-rough draft stage", I wouldn't say they were even in the race, much less a leader.

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    Please make sure it has rack mounts and bottle mounts.
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    Greg,
    Sorry to post that link if it wasn't meant for general "consumption". I was checking out pics of your future carbon fork and stumbled upon that page. I, for one, look forward to your future releases. My Fatback has been the most fun ride I've owned since I started mountain biking. I know that a carbon frame would most likely come from overseas, but I have mega respect for the fact that you guys try to source as much as possible in the U.S. Keep up the great work!

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    No worries JYB. Just want folks to know the fellow who wrote it did not run it by me, and made many assumptions, several of them wrong, which is why it should not have made it live.
    The pre rough draft comment is in reference to the link, not the frame set. Rack and bottle mounts are there. Details will be released shortly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JYB View Post
    Anybody interested in Fatback Carbon???
    Nope. Carbon rims though...
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

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    What rear end are you guys thinking seeing as everyone else is jumping to 190mm???

    I love my hope 170mm hubs but what would throw the cat amoungst the pigeons is a 135mm carbon rear??

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvm051 View Post
    Did not realize they were the market leader.....Thought that title was held by QBP with Surly and Salsa under their helm.
    THey are a market leader in that they literally lead the market. As in, most of the ideas you see came from them.

    You could say that Aston Martin leads the market in sedans not because they sell more but because so many have aped their designs (ford and mazda)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying_Scotsman View Post
    What rear end are you guys thinking seeing as everyone else is jumping to 190mm???

    I love my hope 170mm hubs but what would throw the cat amoungst the pigeons is a 135mm carbon rear??
    I believe Fatback was the first to build around a 190mm hub.
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    190 it is. This aluminum 190 bike was raced successfully all last winter.
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    first to build a symmetrical fatty too
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckfiddious View Post
    THey are a market leader in that they literally lead the market. As in, most of the ideas you see came from them.

    You could say that Aston Martin leads the market in sedans not because they sell more but because so many have aped their designs (ford and mazda)...
    I couldn't have said it better myself, buckfiddious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Nope. Carbon rims though...
    Not mentioning those either.
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    Saltwater

    I agree its great stuff!

    My off-topic question: does anyone know how carbon handles frequent saltwater emersion? I live on the beach down here in Homer and I honestly don't know the answer. Saltwater is so hard on everything else so I'm curious what it'll do to a carbon frame.

    Does anyone know?

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    I agree its great stuff!

    My off-topic question: does anyone know how carbon handles frequent saltwater emersion? I live on the beach down here in Homer and I honestly don't know the answer. Saltwater is so hard on everything else so I'm curious what it'll do to a carbon frame.

    Does anyone know?

    Pat

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    Quote Originally Posted by damnitman View Post
    first to build a symmetrical fatty too
    Vicious used (maybe still uses) a symmetrical 150 rear triangle. Just didn't have much tire clearance, but at the time there wasn't anything wider than 3".
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    Quote Originally Posted by patirwin View Post
    I agree its great stuff!



    My off-topic question: does anyone know how carbon handles frequent saltwater emersion? I live on the beach down here in Homer and I honestly don't know the answer. Saltwater is so hard on everything else so I'm curious what it'll do to a carbon frame.



    Does anyone know?



    Pat

    Seeing as how there are sea kayaks and paddles made of carbon fiber, I would guess that they stand up fairly well.







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    Pat,

    As mentioned, sea kayaks and plenty of paddles are now constructed from carbon fiber and carbon composites. Additionally, many high end boats, both motor and sail are using ample amounts of carbon. I'd say you're more than safe with a carbon Fatback if you're leaning that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patirwin View Post
    I agree its great stuff!

    My off-topic question: does anyone know how carbon handles frequent saltwater emersion? I live on the beach down here in Homer and I honestly don't know the answer. Saltwater is so hard on everything else so I'm curious what it'll do to a carbon frame.

    Does anyone know?

    Pat
    What you have to be concerned about regarding carbon and saltwater is its proximity to metals that could corrode. Aluminum, for example, is dissimilar enough that it will show corrosion near carbon in a saltwater solution. Titanium, on the other hand, is "similar" enough that in a practical sense will not corrode in the presence of carbon.

    Galvanic corrosion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    http://www.corrosionist.com/Corros1.gif EDIT - "Graphite" in this chart can basically be used interchangeably with carbon fiber composite.

    With that in mind, aluminum bits can still be used in a carbon bike frame are insulated with a thin layer of fiberglass (there are other methods).

    Given that Fatback has their manufacturing of other frames well sorted out, I'm sure they're all up on this like flies on sh!t.

    And as for the carbon itself, as others have said, don't sweat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirstywork View Post
    Not mentioning those either.
    I'd be pretty jazzed about some carbon fat rims that were "summer trail worthy"!

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    What was Ray Molina's, offset or symmetrical? What width hub?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot View Post
    I believe Fatback was the first to build around a 190mm hub.
    Incorrect, it was in fact Mazda.

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    Same carbon?

    Is the carbon used for saltwater kayaks and paddles the same as what's used for bike frames?

    Sorry to beat this topic but after 5 yrs of living in the salt environment of Homer, AK and seeing how harsh it is on components, I'm Leary to invest in any carbon frame. But that's just me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by patirwin View Post
    Is the carbon used for saltwater kayaks and paddles the same as what's used for bike frames?

    Sorry to beat this topic but after 5 yrs of living in the salt environment of Homer, AK and seeing how harsh it is on components, I'm Leary to invest in any carbon frame. But that's just me...
    Let me google that for you

    Just stay away from a frame with aluminum sub-parts attached/molded into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patirwin View Post
    Is the carbon used for saltwater kayaks and paddles the same as what's used for bike frames?

    Sorry to beat this topic but after 5 yrs of living in the salt environment of Homer, AK and seeing how harsh it is on components, I'm Leary to invest in any carbon frame. But that's just me...
    "Grades" of carbon fiber refer to how smoothly processed the fibers were, at a level that your eyes cannot see.

    The only other major difference is what epoxy resin or other binding agent is used to hold the fibers into a structure. And those don't respond to chemicals in a meaningful way. Google for "dissolve cured epoxy". Some of the advice about using acetone is a joke, I use that stuff to *clean* carbon composites, not destroy them.

    Epoxies can be embrittled or melted with extreme temperatures, but you're unlikely to survive those environments for very long. Carbon composite brakes are used in F1 racing cars, but in those cases the binding agent is not a plastic.

    UV light can deteriorate epoxy resin. That's among the reasons why carbon frames are often painted these days. You can clearcoat it for the same protection if you like things to look naked.

    But salt water, dude, google "marine spars", carbon is a legit thing in boating.

    Don't confuse any of the above with "carbon steel". That stuff has iron content, can rust, and refers to steel that has a small amount of carbon in it. Is that why you're asking?
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    carbon/graphite is conductive.

    If one places another conductive substance against it, any "nobility" difference between the two, in the presence of an electrolyte, will create a "battery".

    Thus, the warning to isolate (insulate) any aluminum parts or sub parts that are attached to the frame.

    Pat, The same could be said for steel and stainless steel that contacts aluminum parts.......the association will eventually convert the aluminum to fine white dust.

    PS. Drew, don't call this guy "dude". He is THE dude. .....and a fine man.

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    PS, I just caught up on the end of the 1st page of this and see I reiterated some of what you guys had already said. Sorry!

    PPS My carbon fiber StandUpPaddleboard paddle is a carbon structure. It sees saltwater.

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    The dude abides kind of dude, man. So much tone is lost communicating on the net, I continually forget about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by damnitman View Post
    What was Ray Molina's, offset or symmetrical? What width hub?
    Ray did the first offset I'm aware of. 135mm. Pretty sure that's where Mark got the idea for Wildfire back in the 90's.
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    Greg any sneak peeks of upcoming projects?

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    +1, would love some teaser pics.
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    No pics ready just yet. It is worth the wait...
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirstywork View Post
    No pics ready just yet. It is worth the wait...
    how about letting us in on skewer and rear axle choices? 135mm front or 142mm? 190x9mm or 12mm. I feel like my current hadley 190mm hubs are already obsolete and I havent even used them yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yxan View Post
    how about letting us in on skewer and rear axle choices? 135mm front or 142mm? 190x9mm or 12mm. I feel like my current hadley 190mm hubs are already obsolete and I havent even used them yet.
    Both the Hadley made Fatback hubs, and the imported 190 hubs are convertible. The carbon frame uses 12mm thru axles and the fork 15 X 135.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirstywork View Post
    Both the Hadley made Fatback hubs, and the imported 190 hubs are convertible. The carbon frame uses 12mm thru axles and the fork 135.
    I own the hadley 190 and desperately want a 12mm axle and xx1 driver can you help me? I think the receptionist hates me at hadley and they have no answers for me. Are you going down the 142mm path for front? Or qr15?

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    Beautiful!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Beautiful!!

    Yes it is! Can't wait to see one built.
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    That is pretty sweet looking! Love the sharp lines mixed with the curves....

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    Boy it looks like a short cs length, this might be a tough one to pass on. I wonder how much $$$$?

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    Prettiest carbon fatty to date!

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    Home Run!!
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    Absolutlely stunning. I don't care for carbon at all, but this one doesn't look like anything else I've seen. It's doesn't have the giant blobs of carbon at the st/tt, nor does it look overbuilt with super wide tubing. The sharp lines in the front triangle remind me of a sports car, while the back half is a supermodel. Well done Greg and crew!

    Now the million dollar question, how much? With 9Zero7's carbon being $2300, it's gotta be close.
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    I just posted 4 new photos on fat-bike.com - click the linkage - NEW! Fatback Corvus Carbon | FAT-BIKE.COM
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    Oh man!!! I can't wait to get more specs on this! I just raced my Al Fatback at the Shenandoah Mountain 100. I bet a carbon frame would have been a sweet ride! I'm not sure that I need 4.8 tires where I live, but....

    Here are my questions about this beauty:
    1) Country of manufacture (China or Taiwan???)

    2) Will the cranks that I use on my current 170mm Fatback (SRAM x.9 or Fatback) work on this frame? I don't need cranks with a wider Q factor than on my 170 if I'm only running single or double rings, do I???

    3) Am I going to hit my heels on the rear of the frame due to the increased width? This may sound like a stupid question, but I had to ask. I've heard a couple people make comments about "increased heel strike" with wider frames, but I never noticed this going from a 135 rear to a 170. Is this really just a myth?

    4) Will I actually even notice a difference in the increased rear-end width versus my 170mm? Can anybody chime in that has experience on 170 and 190mm frames. I ride my Fatback year round and definitely hit more rocky trails than snowy trails.

    5) The 12mm front thru-axle is a typo, right? I'm assuming 15mm?

    6) Frame Weight?

    7) Fork weight?

    8) Pricing?

    8) Does the purchase of this sweet ride come with an automatic guarantee of lots of snow on the East Coast this winter???

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    The 9:Zero:7 looks sweet

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