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    36 spoke fat bike rims???

    I'm reaching out to the collective knowledge & wisdom of all who ride fat.
    My girlfriend and I both ride FATBACKs I built a few years ago.
    Both bikes were built with LARGE MARGE rims.
    I want something wider and lighter.
    The problem is that I built the wheels with Hadley hubs and LM rims with 36 spokes.
    Surly tells me that there will not be any more ROLLING DARRYL rims (w/cutouts) with 36 holes.

    I'd like something 80mm + wide and under 900 grams
    Does anyone know where I might find anything?

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    Hard to fit that bill, but not impossible. I'd try tracking these down. About the only thing that's online and searchable. Unproven and never used. Might have to even start calling wheel builders, sometimes they get blank rims that can be custom drilled.

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    Drill them out yourself. There is a post on here somewhere on how to do it pretty easily. This way you can drop even more weight than the Holy RD's.

    I went crazy with my machinist and came in under 600g each. I wouldn't recommend going this crazy until I get some ride time on them.

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    I would suggest getting the Un Hole-y Daryl and drilling as the Weinman rims are quite a bit heavier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoo View Post
    I would suggest getting the Un Hole-y Daryl and drilling as the Weinman rims are quite a bit heavier.

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    ^^^^ This

    I have the Weinmans, and while I like them, they are heavy. The double wall also annoys the crap outa me when I wash the bike. Water gets stuck in the cutouts I drilled and holds dirt. It doesn't matter for performance, it just annoys that OCPD part of me.

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    This mat be controversial, but Beast rims can get pretty light. I drilled mine and took the paint off and the are just under 900 grams. They are 100mm and 36 hole. For $200 you can get a pair that comes with the rest of the bike, even though the bike is basically trash without the wheels.

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    Rolling Darryl

    82mm wide single wall. Same 64 dual-spoke hole design as Marge Lite (now available in 72-hole for use with 36h hubs). This rim will increase the footprint of 3.8˝ tires compared to 65mm rims. Cutouts shave weight and allow your rimstrips to show through, which looks pretty cool we think. Note: Use of this rim will increase the width of your tire and may cause the chain to rub the tire in the lowest gears, so either remove a couple cogs and add some spacers behind the cassette or else get you an O.D. Crankset or some of our Mr. Whirly Offset Double chainrings. Available in 32 and 36-hole (seasonally).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnt-Orange View Post
    Rolling Darryl

    82mm wide single wall. Same 64 dual-spoke hole design as Marge Lite (now available in 72-hole for use with 36h hubs). This rim will increase the footprint of 3.8˝ tires compared to 65mm rims. Cutouts shave weight and allow your rimstrips to show through, which looks pretty cool we think. Note: Use of this rim will increase the width of your tire and may cause the chain to rub the tire in the lowest gears, so either remove a couple cogs and add some spacers behind the cassette or else get you an O.D. Crankset or some of our Mr. Whirly Offset Double chainrings. Available in 32 and 36-hole (seasonally).

    This ^^^^^^^
    Very good (looking) news, but surly says they do not come in 36 spoke version anymore and no one has the old stock in stock

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    Quote Originally Posted by WickedLite View Post
    Drill them out yourself. There is a post on here somewhere on how to do it pretty easily. This way you can drop even more weight than the Holy RD's.

    I went crazy with my machinist and came in under 600g each. I wouldn't recommend going this crazy until I get some ride time on them.
    are you suggesting I buy 32 spoke rims and drill new spoke holes?

    OR, if you are suggesting I buy UNHOLY RD and drill them to make them lighter, I'm down with that if I can find the UNHOLY ones with 36 holes

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    I talked to surly and the 36 holes should be hear in about a month
    was going to get them for my tandem
    watch this Universal Cycles -- Surly Rolling Darryl Rim
    when they are available at universal cycles you can order them from your LBS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnt-Orange View Post
    I talked to surly and the 36 holes should be hear in about a month
    was going to get them for my tandem
    watch this Universal Cycles -- Surly Rolling Darryl Rim
    when they are available at universal cycles you can order them from your LBS

    cheers
    I'll keep checking back, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by scyule View Post
    I'll keep checking back, thanks
    I have 36h holy Rolling Darryls in stock, in black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I have 36h holy Rolling Darryls in stock, in black.
    Interesting....

    I can't send you a private message,so with any luck you'll find this...
    I need 4 rims
    rolling darryls drilled for 36 spokes
    with or without cutouts

    can we do buisness? ( send me a private message)

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    This is a great way to get in touch with Mike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DITCHMAN View Post
    This is a great way to get in touch with Mike.

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    Thanks, I actually found his website earlier but I don't see a way of reaching him from it
    thanks anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by scyule View Post
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    Thanks, I actually found his website earlier but I don't see a way of reaching him from it
    thanks anyway
    To contact him, click the "Place an Order" link. it takes you to a form where you can tell him what you want/need and I assume that he'll get back to you with a quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    To contact him, click the "Place an Order" link. it takes you to a form where you can tell him what you want/need and I assume that he'll get back to you with a quote.
    Thanks

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    I ordered 2 weeks ago 36h RD with holes from my local fat bike dealer, in finland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scyule View Post
    Interesting....

    I can't send you a private message,so with any luck you'll find this...
    I need 4 rims
    rolling darryls drilled for 36 spokes
    with or without cutouts

    can we do buisness? ( send me a private message)
    Sorry, I don't use PM's for many reasons.

    You can reach me: info at lacemine29 dot com

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    I heard from Surly that they have no plans to make any more 36h rims. I like 26", single wall aluminum, 80-104mm width with 36h. I can't find anything that meets these criteria. Does anybody know of any 36h, 26", 80-104mm single wall aluminum rims available? I would even settle for no holes and then drill my own.

    I have a 32h un-holey Rolling Darryl hanging on my wall that I am literally going to drill for 36h.

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    I found this which is close: https://www.bicycleheaven.org/products/470059

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    Bullseye. Thanks so much! I would be willing to make my own (weight saving) cutout holes and then powder coat it black.

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    Here is an aluminum option with cutout holes in black, double wall: https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...115.232.JL2rwm

    or single wall:​https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...115.225.McRAtO

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    26"x4" 100mm wide Rim Black Fat Bike Bicycle Chopper Beach Cruiser 36 hole | eBay

    I saw the black after posting. Nice ones from Alibaba!
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    I bought one of these which is very much like a Rolling Darryl except it is 2mm more narrow: Product Description | Origin8

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    One day I plan on building up a Sturmey Archer SX-RK3 3 spd Hub. I would like something that is around 60mm. So far just one I found at 57 on ebay.
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    3 spokes ftw..

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    Two other places that I could find that have the Origin8 AT-PRO801-UL (with 36/72 holes!) in stock:

    https://shop.flythebikeshop.com/prod...nt=30763194441

    https://goalperformer.com/products/o...nt=31104890440

    This rim is a lot like the Rolling Darryl, but 2mm more narrow. The "Tire Bead Seat Diameter" 559 is the same as for a Rolling Darryl.

    Walmart is out of stock, but they have the best price if they ever get them back in stock: https://www.walmart.com/ip/RIM-OR8-2...NMSW/163661277

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    After confirming my online order and getting my payment, both Bicycle Heaven and Flythe's Bike Shop cancelled the orders and refunded my payment, both stating that the rims were out of stock, after all.

    So we are back to 36h Rolling Darryl-style rims being completely unavailable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vadimhellbike View Post
    After confirming my online order and getting my payment, both Bicycle Heaven and Flythe's Bike Shop cancelled the orders and refunded my payment, both stating that the rims were out of stock, after all.

    So we are back to 36h Rolling Darryl-style rims being completely unavailable.

    The number of 36h fatbike rims in existence roughly matches the demand for them. It's a bummer that you can't get what you want, but you are, literally, one of a very, very small handful of people that want or need them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    The number of 36h fatbike rims in existence roughly matches the demand for them. It's a bummer that you can't get what you want, but you are, literally, one of a very, very small handful of people that want or need them.
    I definitely see how hard it is to secure them! Now Goal Performer has advised me that they are out of stock, and that they will refund my payment. That was the third company to do that in a period of a few days.

    This is the product that I am looking for: Product Description | Origin8, specifically "OR8 26 559x74 AT-PRO801-UL 36/72 BK/NMSW". The SKU number for the 36/72 hole is 470059. They are currently listed on the Origin8 website as "out of stock".

    I hope that it has not been discontinued. Rather, that the amount of rims that Origin8 supplied did not meet the demand of the market. Goal performer says that they will have more in stock approximately 8/20/17.

    I sent an email to Origin8 directly and asked if the product has been discontinued. Max at Bikeman (Bath Cycle & Ski) has sent them an email asking when they might be in stock so as to order four of them.

    Edit: Max at Bath Cycle & Ski says that these will be available sometime after September 1, 2017.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    The number of 36h fatbike rims in existence roughly matches the demand for them. It's a bummer that you can't get what you want, but you are, literally, one of a very, very small handful of people that want or need them.
    A double wall, 36 hole rim in 65mm sounds like the ideal 3 season mountain bike rim for heavy riders.

    It's great that all the light and mid-weight people can use single wall, 32 hole rims; but us heavy guys have to think more about not busting equipment than shaving weight off the bike. If we want to shave weight, we take it off ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomBrooklyn View Post
    A double wall, 36 hole rim in 65mm sounds like the ideal 3 season mountain bike rim for heavy riders.

    It's great that all the light and mid-weight people can use single wall, 32 hole rims; but us heavy guys have to think more about not busting equipment than shaving weight off the bike. If we want to shave weight, we take it off ourselves.

    As I said, supply matches demand. There just aren't (m)any people asking for double wall, or 36h., and a small fraction of that demographic is asking for both.

    Also, 1%ers rarely get what they want, because there is no profit in it for the manufacturer/distributor/reseller.

    That said, I'm not entirely convinced that 36h is needed for a fatbike wheel, for really anyone. Wide flange spacing and modern spoke/nip technology can make even the crappiest single wall rim into a super durable wheel. I've built them for ~400# riders and the only failures I've seen have been (cheap) hub implosions and rim dents -- neither of which would be solved by adding 4 spokes or an extra wall to the rim.

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    ...there is this... wide rims - Robs'son

    ...also, this may be of some interest to some... alloy rim RM130, 26", polished - Robs'son ...yup, that says 130mm width...
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    Count the spokes on this new thing:

    https://surlybikes.com/bikes/pugsley

    Yep, 36!

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    Quote Originally Posted by christian69 View Post
    Count the spokes on this new thing:

    https://surlybikes.com/bikes/pugsley

    Yep, 36!
    Good. Hadn't noticed that.

    I always build 36 hole for my own use, although 32 hole with modern rims is perfectly adequate.

    Nothing like a bit of extra insurance on the most important part of the bike though.
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    Can't you order carbon rims with 36H drilling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by christian69 View Post
    Count the spokes on this new thing:

    https://surlybikes.com/bikes/pugsley

    Yep, 36!
    That's gotta be some photoshop voodoo or something. Those rims are dual drilled 32 hole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    That's gotta be some photoshop voodoo or something. Those rims are dual drilled 32 hole.
    Yes, confirmation would be nice. Not mentioned under specs. But 36 hole hubs/rims specifically mentioned in this review:

    2018 Surly Pugsley, First Ride Review - BIKEPACKING.com

    A new version perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by christian69 View Post
    Yes, confirmation would be nice. Not mentioned under specs. But 36 hole hubs/rims specifically mentioned in this review:

    2018 Surly Pugsley, First Ride Review - BIKEPACKING.com

    A new version perhaps?
    Wow... The wheels in the pics absolutely have 36 spokes yet, on Surly's site, they only show 32 hole available.
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