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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    45mm internal is good.
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    I was looking at the farley ex 8 yesterday at my LBS and we measured the tires, they were very squishy but i dont know the pressure but 3.8" wide. Never had an issue with my 4"x26" hodags yet, hell i run a 3.8"x26" gnarwhal up front. We maybe get 1 foot of pow accumulation over the winter and our trails are well used by hikers, snow shoers, dog walkers so they get nicely groomed.

    Think im going to pull the trigger on one next year and keep my farley 6 for a extreme cold/ice bike and get a dillinger 4 rear. Ive seen people run 26x4.6" tires on the ex so if i find im not using the 6 and i need more float ill get a 26" wheel set and some d5s or something. Biggest reason i would like the ex is to go 29+ for a summer trail bike... would be sick!
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    What's the size on the 27.5x 4.5 Barbegazi?
    On what rim size?
    Is there a 100mm 27.5 rim?

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    It probably has the Bontrager 27.5x80mm Jackalope rims
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tjaard View Post
    What's the size on the 27.5x 4.5 Barbegazi?
    On what rim size?
    Is there a 100mm 27.5 rim?
    I don't know the exact measurement of the 27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi but I do know just by looking at them mounted on the 2017 Farley 9.6 (Mulefit 80mm rim) that they are significantly bigger than the 27.5 Hodags. However, I'm finding it very difficult to find a review on the Farley set up with 27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi's!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
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    surprised at how big it seems compared to a flowbeist on a hed. the rim is a nextie 65mm. diameter at 20psi is more or less 770mm and the width of the casing is 115mm, with a few extra mm of knobl.
    That's huge! Bud is only 112mm at the casing on a 65mm rim, according to Surly.

    So that would make this the widest tire around after the XXL, let alone the added diameter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tjaard View Post
    That's huge! Bud is only 112mm at the casing on a 65mm rim, according to Surly.

    So that would make this the widest tire around after the XXL, let alone the added diameter!
    To me that looks like it would have advantages in mixed conditions (snow, ice, slop, etc). Longer contact patch, larger wheel for better rollover and better balance on the bike especially for taller riders.

    This thread has several conversations going on at the same time. I understand Mikesee's topic of 27.5 x 3.8(really 3.5) being an improvement or goldilocks for dry conditions full suspension tech riding. Or just dry conditions period. Makes sense. But not necessarily for mixed conditions where a rigid can rule. The question I have and I'm beating the drum...does a 27.5 x 4.5 have advantages over 26 x 4 or even 5 in mixed conditions?

    That set up does look huge!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    What about the 27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi's? Seems like that would be a great winter mixed conditions setup, while the 27.5 x 3.8 Hodags would be better in dry conditions.


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    Won't fit the Bluto, 27.5x3.8 max. Not sure if I will run the bluto for long or not. It just came in on Tuesday. Putting it on tonight. If not then that would be an awesome setup. I like the Barbi's on the 26" setup. The bluto can run them. If I don't like the Bluto may look at the Lauf. Not sure how big it can go. Gotta wait and see. I got such a deal on both that I could not pass it up. Wheels, tires, rotors, gx 10-42 cassette and warranty hub. $360 shipped. Had to do a little work to em but they are sweet! Bluto new $300. Easy switch out with the wheel setup.
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    27.5"x3.8" gnarwhal! Wooo! Makes me feel better about going 27.5 next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishboy316 View Post
    Won't fit the Bluto, 27.5x3.8 max. Not sure if I will run the bluto for long or not. It just came in on Tuesday. Putting it on tonight. If not then that would be an awesome setup. I like the Barbi's on the 26" setup. The bluto can run them. If I don't like the Bluto may look at the Lauf. Not sure how big it can go. Gotta wait and see. I got such a deal on both that I could not pass it up. Wheels, tires, rotors, gx 10-42 cassette and warranty hub. $360 shipped. Had to do a little work to em but they are sweet! Bluto new $300. Easy switch out with the wheel setup.
    IMHO Bluto is not very good in the snow. I've had one on my Beargrease for a few years now. Better in the dry conditions but not great. I've even upgraded the damper. A riding buddy just got the Fox 27.5 and it's way better. I'd rather go rigid in mixed conditions though, that's why I'm so interested in the bigger 4.5 Barbegazi.

    3.8 in dry conditions and dual suspension, sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    IMHO Bluto is not very good in the snow. I've had one on my Beargrease for a few years now. Better in the dry conditions but not great. I've even upgraded the damper. 3.8 in dry conditions and dual suspension, sure.

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    I live in Maryland. We get snow 1 or 2 times a year and it's gone in a day or 2(usually). Switching back to the 26x4.7 is good for me. I went with the bluto as a stopgap to see what I think of a suspension, at that price was a no brainer. Broke my back about 3 years ago and been bothering me with rigid. Hope the EX does fit the 4.5, there may be an EX in my future.

    How big of a tire does the Fox 27.5 take?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishboy316 View Post
    I live in Maryland. We get snow 1 or 2 times a year and it's gone in a day or 2(usually). Switching back to the 26x4.7 is good for me. I went with the bluto as a stopgap to see what I think of a suspension, at that price was a no brainer. Broke my back about 3 years ago and been bothering me with rigid. Hope the EX does fit the 4.5, there may be an EX in my future.

    How big of a tire does the Fox 27.5 take?
    The Fox fork will fit the 27.5x3.8 Hodag, but not much bigger. It will most definitely NOT fit the 27.5x4.5 tires.

    My 27.5x4.5 Barbi measures exactly 110mm. That's tubeless at 5 psi on an 80mm Jackalop rim after a couple of rides.

    Cool to hear about another tire coming out, but I'm disappointed that it's going to be the same size as the Hodag. I think something in the 4.0" to 4.2" would be a great addition and fit in more bikes than the 4.5" tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishboy316 View Post
    I live in Maryland. We get snow 1 or 2 times a year and it's gone in a day or 2(usually). Switching back to the 26x4.7 is good for me. I went with the bluto as a stopgap to see what I think of a suspension, at that price was a no brainer. Broke my back about 3 years ago and been bothering me with rigid. Hope the EX does fit the 4.5, there may be an EX in my future.

    How big of a tire does the Fox 27.5 take?
    In regards to the EX fitting a 4.5 tire. For some reason I cant get a picture to post here, but if you go to Treks website and look at the Farley EX8, there is a guy by the name of Travis Knapp that wrote a review. He included a photo of his bike with the Barbegazi 27.5x4.5 mounted front and rear. He claims that it fits no problem. Also if you got to the Barbegazi tire itself and look at the reviews, there are more there stating it will fit the Bluto.

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    That's looks tight as f. I have read that people are only able to make it fit at 6psi or less.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gigrob View Post
    In regards to the EX fitting a 4.5 tire. For some reason I cant get a picture to post here, but if you go to Treks website and look at the Farley EX8, there is a guy by the name of Travis Knapp that wrote a review. He included a photo of his bike with the Barbegazi 27.5x4.5 mounted front and rear. He claims that it fits no problem. Also if you got to the Barbegazi tire itself and look at the reviews, there are more there stating it will fit the Bluto.
    Maybe he lucked out and got a smaller moulded one. Doubtful... but a guy at my lbs says he has dual barbs on 27.5 on his F9 with a bluto no issue too.

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    27.5X4  Who's excited? Who's not?-screen-shot-2017-01-07-17.46.47.jpg

    so, heres a vaguely interesting pic.

    left, a 29x3 minion DHF
    right, a 27.5x4.5 barbegazi

    both acquired with the help of mikesee@lacemine29

    both are kind of monstrous. the barbi is MASSIVE....

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    The rumour of a 27.5 x 3.8 Gnarwhal studded appears to have been started by someone that does not know difference between 3.8 and 4.5 - so none coming from what I've been told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Up North Eh View Post
    The rumour of a 27.5 x 3.8 Gnarwhal studded appears to have been started by someone that does not know difference between 3.8 and 4.5 - so none coming from what I've been told.
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    so, heres a vaguely interesting pic.

    left, a 29x3 minion DHF
    right, a 27.5x4.5 barbegazi

    both acquired with the help of mikesee@lacemine29

    both are kind of monstrous. the barbi is MASSIVE....
    Wow - I really like the "normal" 26" version . The 27.5x4.5 version would be great, especially if the change the rubber a bit so it doesn't roll so slow when it is cold..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Up North Eh View Post
    The rumour of a 27.5 x 3.8 Gnarwhal studded appears to have been started by someone that does not know difference between 3.8 and 4.5 - so none coming from what I've been told.
    Well good for you. Treks website, gnarwhal reviews, person complains about the gnarwhal 27.5" doesnt fit the ex, trek replies a 27.5"x3.8" is coming soon, contact LBS. Sooo it appears your wrong.
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    Is there any source, overseas, black market, whatever, for a Minion 27.5 x 3.8 FBR.

    Please PM with info.

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    Got the NEXTIES today

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    Anyone have comparisons of tire width for hodag and barbi on 65mm v's 80mm on 27.5 ?

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    27.5X4  Who's excited? Who's not?-img_0102.jpgHodag on 80 MM Jackelope = 3.8 inches, Hodag on 65MM Nextie = 3.7 inches. I measured today. Outside knob to outside knob.
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    Anyone know if there is any chance of fitting Hodag 27.5x3.8 or Minion 27.5x3.8 on Yari or Magnum Pro fork with i45 Scraper wheels (45mm ID, 49mm OD)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kryten View Post
    Anyone know if there is any chance of fitting Hodag 27.5x3.8 or Minion 27.5x3.8 on Yari or Magnum Pro fork with i45 Scraper wheels (45mm ID, 49mm OD)?
    Definitely no on the Yari, maybe for the magnum, specs say 3.4," presumably that means with a bit of space around it and the Hodag is just under 3.5" on an i45 Scraper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    Definitely no on the Yari, maybe for the magnum, specs say 3.4," presumably that means with a bit of space around it and the Hodag is just under 3.5" on an i45 Scraper.

    You can install that wheel/tire in a Magnum, but there is essentially zero clearance for it to turn. Like less than 2mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    You can install that wheel/tire in a Magnum, but there is essentially zero clearance for it to turn. Like less than 2mm.
    Is that a downgrade from your original 'hodag fits magnum' PSA Mike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kryten View Post
    Thanks for this.
    Minion 3.8 x 27.5 on 50mm rim with room to spare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windigo View Post
    Minion 3.8 x 27.5 on 50mm rim with room to spare.
    50mm outside diameter? Maybe it is the angle of the photo, but looks like it would barely turn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kryten View Post
    50mm outside width? Maybe it is the angle of the photo, but looks like it would barely turn?
    Fixed it for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alixta View Post
    Is that a downgrade from your original 'hodag fits magnum' PSA Mike?

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    Downgrade?

    I called it a class B fit. I love the Hodag, and I love the Magnum, but there's nothing to like (for me, where I live and ride) about a fit that tight.

    I run the Hodag in a Fox B+ Boost fork, with loads of clearance. Lots to get excited about with that setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kryten View Post
    50mm outside diameter? Maybe it is the angle of the photo, but looks like it would barely turn?
    Mulefut 50, so ya 50mm outer 45mm inner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windigo View Post
    Mulefut 50, so ya 50mm outer 45mm inner.
    Are you successfully running this or was that just a test fit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kryten View Post
    Are you successfully running this or was that just a test fit?
    Works great for me!

    Just compared it to my Bluto with Dillanger 5's and it has comparable clearance, so I would call that successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windigo View Post
    Works great for me!

    Just compared it to my Bluto with Dillanger 5's and it has comparable clearance, so I would call that successful.
    That is great news. I have Bluto with D5s now and that has ton of clearance. It sure does not look like it from your photo/angle though. If you happen to have more pics of the bike fork/wheel from different angles I would be very interested to see. Anyway, thanks again for this.

    Now to figure out what is the largest tire Norco Torrent could fit in the back. Doing some research to see if I could downsize to 1 bike or if it has too many compromises. for my riding.
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    Anyone compare the Minion FBF vs Hodag back to back? Got some Minions with some wheels I just bought. The weather hasn't cooperated enough to run them yet. Maxxis says they're for looser conditions. I have primarily straight up hardpack. The Minions feel pretty heavy but I don't have Hodags on hand to compare them to.


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    yep. the Hodag is lighter, more supple, solid tubeless set up, and where I come from, cheaper.

    this is on trail - rock, roots, mud. no experience in snow.

    In saying that, the more robust casing on the FBF allows running at lower pressures - which *may* be useful in snow.

    If i was bombing rocky trails i might also like the more robust sidewalls, but i'm not certain about that.

    In short, the Hodag would be my choice - and i will admit that that surprises me - i tend to choose maxxis over all other tyres - *but* they are both very good tyres. Traction for days, reasonable weights given the size, both seem robust.

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    Thanks for that. Pretty much what I was thinking as well. This would be a total dirt tire. Have a whole different setup for snow, and not many rocks where I live. That said, I apparently own the Minions now, maybe I'll just run those till they're dead...


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    I am considering getting some 27.5" fatbike rims to accommodate a 3.8" -4" tire for summer use or packed winter trail use. I am deciding between a 50mm rim width and a 65mm rim width. Which would be more optimal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by endo_alley View Post
    ...I am deciding between a 50mm rim width and a 65mm rim width. Which would be more optimal?
    Wider rim for more float and lower rolling resistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endo_alley View Post
    I am considering getting some 27.5" fatbike rims to accommodate a 3.8" -4" tire for summer use or packed winter trail use. I am deciding between a 50mm rim width and a 65mm rim width. Which would be more optimal?
    Summer trails pretty rocky or root infested? 50mm would yield better rim protection if so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Summer trails pretty rocky or root infested? 50mm would yield better rim protection if so.
    Here are the two Xtremes...(pun intended)
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    Quote Originally Posted by endo_alley View Post
    I am considering getting some 27.5" fatbike rims to accommodate a 3.8" -4" tire for summer use or packed winter trail use. I am deciding between a 50mm rim width and a 65mm rim width. Which would be more optimal?
    As far as I know nobody makes a 3.8"-4" in a 27.5" size. The Hodag is more like 3.5" or smaller. If I was going to be running Hodags I would go with a 50mm rim. I have a set of Barbegazis on a 50mm rim, which I happened to have because I was running a Trax Fatty 27.5 x 3.25 tire. I would rather have 65mm for the Barbegazis, but the 50mm works fine. I would definitely recommend the Barbegazis if they can fit on your bike.

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    My thinking was the 50 mm rims will allow you to use anywhere from 3" to 4" tires, while 65s would be better only for the larger tires. I really like the B+ for dirt conditions so I'm happy with that choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    45mm internal is good.
    I'm kind of excited. I'm considering a summer wheelset to my Salsa Mukluk X7 (2016) and if I'm not totally mistaken, 27.5x3.8" should fit.

    I've used 4.8" Bud with Marge Lite (its internal diameter has to be <60 mm) so 3.8" should be nice and round on 45 mm rims (and probably 3.5" wide if I've understood correctly).

    Another option would of course be 29+ which would be somewhat lighter and I have a fear that should I choose 27.5 fat it will be more sluggish than good old 26 fat with, say, 4.4" JJ's.

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