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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    45mm internal is good.
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    I was looking at the farley ex 8 yesterday at my LBS and we measured the tires, they were very squishy but i dont know the pressure but 3.8" wide. Never had an issue with my 4"x26" hodags yet, hell i run a 3.8"x26" gnarwhal up front. We maybe get 1 foot of pow accumulation over the winter and our trails are well used by hikers, snow shoers, dog walkers so they get nicely groomed.

    Think im going to pull the trigger on one next year and keep my farley 6 for a extreme cold/ice bike and get a dillinger 4 rear. Ive seen people run 26x4.6" tires on the ex so if i find im not using the 6 and i need more float ill get a 26" wheel set and some d5s or something. Biggest reason i would like the ex is to go 29+ for a summer trail bike... would be sick!
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    What's the size on the 27.5x 4.5 Barbegazi?
    On what rim size?
    Is there a 100mm 27.5 rim?

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    It probably has the Bontrager 27.5x80mm Jackalope rims
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tjaard View Post
    What's the size on the 27.5x 4.5 Barbegazi?
    On what rim size?
    Is there a 100mm 27.5 rim?
    I don't know the exact measurement of the 27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi but I do know just by looking at them mounted on the 2017 Farley 9.6 (Mulefit 80mm rim) that they are significantly bigger than the 27.5 Hodags. However, I'm finding it very difficult to find a review on the Farley set up with 27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi's!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
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    surprised at how big it seems compared to a flowbeist on a hed. the rim is a nextie 65mm. diameter at 20psi is more or less 770mm and the width of the casing is 115mm, with a few extra mm of knobl.
    That's huge! Bud is only 112mm at the casing on a 65mm rim, according to Surly.

    So that would make this the widest tire around after the XXL, let alone the added diameter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tjaard View Post
    That's huge! Bud is only 112mm at the casing on a 65mm rim, according to Surly.

    So that would make this the widest tire around after the XXL, let alone the added diameter!
    To me that looks like it would have advantages in mixed conditions (snow, ice, slop, etc). Longer contact patch, larger wheel for better rollover and better balance on the bike especially for taller riders.

    This thread has several conversations going on at the same time. I understand Mikesee's topic of 27.5 x 3.8(really 3.5) being an improvement or goldilocks for dry conditions full suspension tech riding. Or just dry conditions period. Makes sense. But not necessarily for mixed conditions where a rigid can rule. The question I have and I'm beating the drum...does a 27.5 x 4.5 have advantages over 26 x 4 or even 5 in mixed conditions?

    That set up does look huge!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    What about the 27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi's? Seems like that would be a great winter mixed conditions setup, while the 27.5 x 3.8 Hodags would be better in dry conditions.


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    Won't fit the Bluto, 27.5x3.8 max. Not sure if I will run the bluto for long or not. It just came in on Tuesday. Putting it on tonight. If not then that would be an awesome setup. I like the Barbi's on the 26" setup. The bluto can run them. If I don't like the Bluto may look at the Lauf. Not sure how big it can go. Gotta wait and see. I got such a deal on both that I could not pass it up. Wheels, tires, rotors, gx 10-42 cassette and warranty hub. $360 shipped. Had to do a little work to em but they are sweet! Bluto new $300. Easy switch out with the wheel setup.
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    27.5"x3.8" gnarwhal! Wooo! Makes me feel better about going 27.5 next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishboy316 View Post
    Won't fit the Bluto, 27.5x3.8 max. Not sure if I will run the bluto for long or not. It just came in on Tuesday. Putting it on tonight. If not then that would be an awesome setup. I like the Barbi's on the 26" setup. The bluto can run them. If I don't like the Bluto may look at the Lauf. Not sure how big it can go. Gotta wait and see. I got such a deal on both that I could not pass it up. Wheels, tires, rotors, gx 10-42 cassette and warranty hub. $360 shipped. Had to do a little work to em but they are sweet! Bluto new $300. Easy switch out with the wheel setup.
    IMHO Bluto is not very good in the snow. I've had one on my Beargrease for a few years now. Better in the dry conditions but not great. I've even upgraded the damper. A riding buddy just got the Fox 27.5 and it's way better. I'd rather go rigid in mixed conditions though, that's why I'm so interested in the bigger 4.5 Barbegazi.

    3.8 in dry conditions and dual suspension, sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    IMHO Bluto is not very good in the snow. I've had one on my Beargrease for a few years now. Better in the dry conditions but not great. I've even upgraded the damper. 3.8 in dry conditions and dual suspension, sure.

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    I live in Maryland. We get snow 1 or 2 times a year and it's gone in a day or 2(usually). Switching back to the 26x4.7 is good for me. I went with the bluto as a stopgap to see what I think of a suspension, at that price was a no brainer. Broke my back about 3 years ago and been bothering me with rigid. Hope the EX does fit the 4.5, there may be an EX in my future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishboy316 View Post
    I live in Maryland. We get snow 1 or 2 times a year and it's gone in a day or 2(usually). Switching back to the 26x4.7 is good for me. I went with the bluto as a stopgap to see what I think of a suspension, at that price was a no brainer. Broke my back about 3 years ago and been bothering me with rigid. Hope the EX does fit the 4.5, there may be an EX in my future.

    How big of a tire does the Fox 27.5 take?
    The Fox fork will fit the 27.5x3.8 Hodag, but not much bigger. It will most definitely NOT fit the 27.5x4.5 tires.

    My 27.5x4.5 Barbi measures exactly 110mm. That's tubeless at 5 psi on an 80mm Jackalop rim after a couple of rides.

    Cool to hear about another tire coming out, but I'm disappointed that it's going to be the same size as the Hodag. I think something in the 4.0" to 4.2" would be a great addition and fit in more bikes than the 4.5" tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishboy316 View Post
    I live in Maryland. We get snow 1 or 2 times a year and it's gone in a day or 2(usually). Switching back to the 26x4.7 is good for me. I went with the bluto as a stopgap to see what I think of a suspension, at that price was a no brainer. Broke my back about 3 years ago and been bothering me with rigid. Hope the EX does fit the 4.5, there may be an EX in my future.

    How big of a tire does the Fox 27.5 take?
    In regards to the EX fitting a 4.5 tire. For some reason I cant get a picture to post here, but if you go to Treks website and look at the Farley EX8, there is a guy by the name of Travis Knapp that wrote a review. He included a photo of his bike with the Barbegazi 27.5x4.5 mounted front and rear. He claims that it fits no problem. Also if you got to the Barbegazi tire itself and look at the reviews, there are more there stating it will fit the Bluto.

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    That's looks tight as f. I have read that people are only able to make it fit at 6psi or less.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gigrob View Post
    In regards to the EX fitting a 4.5 tire. For some reason I cant get a picture to post here, but if you go to Treks website and look at the Farley EX8, there is a guy by the name of Travis Knapp that wrote a review. He included a photo of his bike with the Barbegazi 27.5x4.5 mounted front and rear. He claims that it fits no problem. Also if you got to the Barbegazi tire itself and look at the reviews, there are more there stating it will fit the Bluto.
    Maybe he lucked out and got a smaller moulded one. Doubtful... but a guy at my lbs says he has dual barbs on 27.5 on his F9 with a bluto no issue too.

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    27.5X4  Who's excited? Who's not?-screen-shot-2017-01-07-17.46.47.jpg

    so, heres a vaguely interesting pic.

    left, a 29x3 minion DHF
    right, a 27.5x4.5 barbegazi

    both acquired with the help of mikesee@lacemine29

    both are kind of monstrous. the barbi is MASSIVE....

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    The rumour of a 27.5 x 3.8 Gnarwhal studded appears to have been started by someone that does not know difference between 3.8 and 4.5 - so none coming from what I've been told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Up North Eh View Post
    The rumour of a 27.5 x 3.8 Gnarwhal studded appears to have been started by someone that does not know difference between 3.8 and 4.5 - so none coming from what I've been told.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
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    so, heres a vaguely interesting pic.

    left, a 29x3 minion DHF
    right, a 27.5x4.5 barbegazi

    both acquired with the help of mikesee@lacemine29

    both are kind of monstrous. the barbi is MASSIVE....
    Wow - I really like the "normal" 26" version . The 27.5x4.5 version would be great, especially if the change the rubber a bit so it doesn't roll so slow when it is cold..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Up North Eh View Post
    The rumour of a 27.5 x 3.8 Gnarwhal studded appears to have been started by someone that does not know difference between 3.8 and 4.5 - so none coming from what I've been told.
    Well good for you. Treks website, gnarwhal reviews, person complains about the gnarwhal 27.5" doesnt fit the ex, trek replies a 27.5"x3.8" is coming soon, contact LBS. Sooo it appears your wrong.
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    Is there any source, overseas, black market, whatever, for a Minion 27.5 x 3.8 FBR.

    Please PM with info.

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    Got the NEXTIES today

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    Anyone have comparisons of tire width for hodag and barbi on 65mm v's 80mm on 27.5 ?

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    27.5X4  Who's excited? Who's not?-img_0102.jpgHodag on 80 MM Jackelope = 3.8 inches, Hodag on 65MM Nextie = 3.7 inches. I measured today. Outside knob to outside knob.
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    Anyone know if there is any chance of fitting Hodag 27.5x3.8 or Minion 27.5x3.8 on Yari or Magnum Pro fork with i45 Scraper wheels (45mm ID, 49mm OD)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kryten View Post
    Anyone know if there is any chance of fitting Hodag 27.5x3.8 or Minion 27.5x3.8 on Yari or Magnum Pro fork with i45 Scraper wheels (45mm ID, 49mm OD)?
    Definitely no on the Yari, maybe for the magnum, specs say 3.4," presumably that means with a bit of space around it and the Hodag is just under 3.5" on an i45 Scraper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    Definitely no on the Yari, maybe for the magnum, specs say 3.4," presumably that means with a bit of space around it and the Hodag is just under 3.5" on an i45 Scraper.

    You can install that wheel/tire in a Magnum, but there is essentially zero clearance for it to turn. Like less than 2mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    You can install that wheel/tire in a Magnum, but there is essentially zero clearance for it to turn. Like less than 2mm.
    Is that a downgrade from your original 'hodag fits magnum' PSA Mike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windigo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by kryten View Post
    Thanks for this.
    Minion 3.8 x 27.5 on 50mm rim with room to spare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windigo View Post
    Minion 3.8 x 27.5 on 50mm rim with room to spare.
    50mm outside diameter? Maybe it is the angle of the photo, but looks like it would barely turn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kryten View Post
    50mm outside width? Maybe it is the angle of the photo, but looks like it would barely turn?
    Fixed it for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alixta View Post
    Is that a downgrade from your original 'hodag fits magnum' PSA Mike?

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    Downgrade?

    I called it a class B fit. I love the Hodag, and I love the Magnum, but there's nothing to like (for me, where I live and ride) about a fit that tight.

    I run the Hodag in a Fox B+ Boost fork, with loads of clearance. Lots to get excited about with that setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kryten View Post
    50mm outside diameter? Maybe it is the angle of the photo, but looks like it would barely turn?
    Mulefut 50, so ya 50mm outer 45mm inner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windigo View Post
    Mulefut 50, so ya 50mm outer 45mm inner.
    Are you successfully running this or was that just a test fit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kryten View Post
    Are you successfully running this or was that just a test fit?
    Works great for me!

    Just compared it to my Bluto with Dillanger 5's and it has comparable clearance, so I would call that successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windigo View Post
    Works great for me!

    Just compared it to my Bluto with Dillanger 5's and it has comparable clearance, so I would call that successful.
    That is great news. I have Bluto with D5s now and that has ton of clearance. It sure does not look like it from your photo/angle though. If you happen to have more pics of the bike fork/wheel from different angles I would be very interested to see. Anyway, thanks again for this.

    Now to figure out what is the largest tire Norco Torrent could fit in the back. Doing some research to see if I could downsize to 1 bike or if it has too many compromises. for my riding.
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    Anyone compare the Minion FBF vs Hodag back to back? Got some Minions with some wheels I just bought. The weather hasn't cooperated enough to run them yet. Maxxis says they're for looser conditions. I have primarily straight up hardpack. The Minions feel pretty heavy but I don't have Hodags on hand to compare them to.


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    yep. the Hodag is lighter, more supple, solid tubeless set up, and where I come from, cheaper.

    this is on trail - rock, roots, mud. no experience in snow.

    In saying that, the more robust casing on the FBF allows running at lower pressures - which *may* be useful in snow.

    If i was bombing rocky trails i might also like the more robust sidewalls, but i'm not certain about that.

    In short, the Hodag would be my choice - and i will admit that that surprises me - i tend to choose maxxis over all other tyres - *but* they are both very good tyres. Traction for days, reasonable weights given the size, both seem robust.

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    Thanks for that. Pretty much what I was thinking as well. This would be a total dirt tire. Have a whole different setup for snow, and not many rocks where I live. That said, I apparently own the Minions now, maybe I'll just run those till they're dead...


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    I am considering getting some 27.5" fatbike rims to accommodate a 3.8" -4" tire for summer use or packed winter trail use. I am deciding between a 50mm rim width and a 65mm rim width. Which would be more optimal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by endo_alley View Post
    ...I am deciding between a 50mm rim width and a 65mm rim width. Which would be more optimal?
    Wider rim for more float and lower rolling resistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endo_alley View Post
    I am considering getting some 27.5" fatbike rims to accommodate a 3.8" -4" tire for summer use or packed winter trail use. I am deciding between a 50mm rim width and a 65mm rim width. Which would be more optimal?
    Summer trails pretty rocky or root infested? 50mm would yield better rim protection if so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Summer trails pretty rocky or root infested? 50mm would yield better rim protection if so.
    Here are the two Xtremes...(pun intended)
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    For roots and rocks...Xtreme Warrior on Velocity Blunt rim
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    For sand, snow and ice...same tire on 85mm Xtreme carbon rim
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    Quote Originally Posted by endo_alley View Post
    I am considering getting some 27.5" fatbike rims to accommodate a 3.8" -4" tire for summer use or packed winter trail use. I am deciding between a 50mm rim width and a 65mm rim width. Which would be more optimal?
    As far as I know nobody makes a 3.8"-4" in a 27.5" size. The Hodag is more like 3.5" or smaller. If I was going to be running Hodags I would go with a 50mm rim. I have a set of Barbegazis on a 50mm rim, which I happened to have because I was running a Trax Fatty 27.5 x 3.25 tire. I would rather have 65mm for the Barbegazis, but the 50mm works fine. I would definitely recommend the Barbegazis if they can fit on your bike.

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    My thinking was the 50 mm rims will allow you to use anywhere from 3" to 4" tires, while 65s would be better only for the larger tires. I really like the B+ for dirt conditions so I'm happy with that choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    45mm internal is good.
    I'm kind of excited. I'm considering a summer wheelset to my Salsa Mukluk X7 (2016) and if I'm not totally mistaken, 27.5x3.8" should fit.

    I've used 4.8" Bud with Marge Lite (its internal diameter has to be <60 mm) so 3.8" should be nice and round on 45 mm rims (and probably 3.5" wide if I've understood correctly).

    Another option would of course be 29+ which would be somewhat lighter and I have a fear that should I choose 27.5 fat it will be more sluggish than good old 26 fat with, say, 4.4" JJ's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    yeah true! :-)~

    It's a real mix of 29+ roll over, but lower pressure and width. I was surprised going to a Hodag front from a chupa how noticeable the rollover is on a 29+. Really like the Hodag though- so this 4.5 has my interest piqued for sure!
    Could you do a direct comparition between the hodags nd chupacabras. Pros and cons of each...
    Thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lactatofilo View Post
    Could you do a direct comparition between the hodags nd chupacabras. Pros and cons of each...
    Thanks!!
    I'm not drjon....
    But I do have 26 Hodags on 65mm rims, 27.5 Hodags on 52mm rims and 29 Chuppas on 35mm rims.
    The Chuppas have great roll over and are about 1lb lighter...and roll a little better than the Hodags.
    The 27.5 Hodags have better rollover than the 26s....and have more cushion than the Chuppas.
    The 27.5 Hodags have become my go to set up.
    This is on a Borealis Echo in rocky/rooty trails

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    hello - id echo the Mayor - the 29+ chupa rolls over trail 'guff' very easily and feels really light. it has reasonable grip but should be seen as a fast/low tread tyre rather than a slamming into corners in muck or rocks tyre. it is incredibly supple but seems durable.

    the hodag 27.5x3.8 should be seen as a 3.5. it is 20mm or so smaller diameter than the chupa. but it rolls well in the rough- probably given its even lower pressure. you can tell its not a 29+ but it will roll over stuff better than a 29x2.4 of which it is a similar diameter. it has grip for days in almost every condition i have tried, its is incredibly durable and at just over 1200 g with a supple sidewall it is a great tyre.

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    the minion fbf 27.5x3.8 is similar dimensionally to the hodag, but has a much more rigid sidewall. i have not really found pros of that though id expect its durable in sharp rock and square edge impacts. i prefer the suppleness of the hodag. it also has grip for days, didnt like steep wet snow (what tyre does) and is heavier >1400g

    in on the left field is the minion 29x3 dhf, which is a true 3" and is quite frankly , preposterous. massive roll over, massive grip and if you want 29+ in chunky terrain or mud (not mud specific, but best there is ime) its your go to.

    HTH, and i've been clear on my thoughts? at presnet im really liking hodag front and ikon 2.8 rear on 45mm internal rims as my general preferred tyre, though minion 29x3 front and tomahawk 29 rear is hot on its heals...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lactatofilo View Post
    Could you do a direct comparition between the hodags nd chupacabras. Pros and cons of each...
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    I'm also not dRjOn, but I'll give you my opinion anyway, as I have some experience with the above tires. The Chupacabra is a great all around 29+ tire. It's one of the larger volume 29+ tires (Knard is still the biggest), rolls well, has decent grip, and is pretty light. It's not the fastest or the burliest or the lightest, but it just works for most of my riding. 29+ has great rollover compared to smaller diameter tires, it just motors through rock gardens and such where smaller wheels/tires get hung up. It obviously doesn't have the cush of the fatter setups, but for me, 3-3.25" is my prefered summer tire width.

    I rode the 26x3.8 Hodag for a bit, and then decided to try the 27.5x3.8 Hodag on the same bike. I immediately sold the 26 fat setup! As mentioned, it's more like a 3.5" tire, but it blends (almost) the rollover of 29+ with the width of 26 fat into a great size. This is my preferred winter setup here in southern NY, where we get sporadic snow and I'm riding my normal summer singletrack trails. I've never weighed my wheelsets, but this is obviously heavier than the 29+ setup, and does feel slower, but the extra traction and cush are worth it this time of year. The above tires were ridden on my 2 custom Plus frames.

    I've also put together a full fatbike that I keep in Vermont, and decided to go with 27.5x4.5 Barbegazi setup on that, with Jackalop wheels, which are around 80mm wide I think. It's a great setup, although I've never ridden 26x4.8 or bigger to compare.

    I would also recommend looking into the Duro Crux tires. I have them in both 27.5x3.25 and 29x3.25 sizes. They are big meaty tires with big knobs. The 27.5 ones are my current go to tire on my trail bike for summer. I have not ridden the 29" version yet, but they are big and heavy, around 1200g I think. I have a feeling they will not fit in the back of some 29+ frames. I'm thinking about trying the Crux on the front with Chupacabra rear on my 29+ bike, should be a fun combo!

    I hope that helps! Yes, I'm a tire whore

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    I've had my bucksaw built as a 27.5 for 14 months and had the Hodags for over a year. I just got to ride them in the snow for the first time today and am totally sold on them. I'll admit that I prefer plus most of the time, but after today, I'm sold on them for a winter tire. On tuesday, we got about 10 inches of snow, mixed with sleet. My first snow-ride on the Hodags was tuesday night, riding around my neighborhood in Philadelphia's river wards. The results were mixed. At pressures that were ideal for slush and plowed pavement, the tires had a tendency to ski, the front pushing in the snow and not hooking up; wheel flop was also a problem with the bucksaw's 67 hta. At lower pressures, probably 4-5 psi, traction was excellent, but there was a real risk of wheel strikes off of the snow pack, which was annoying. Granted, these were less than ideal riding conditions. Yesterday, I didn't feel like trekking across town in 25 mph headwinds at 20, so I just rode around the neighborhood, running errands. I was pleasantly reminded how fast the tires were, cruising on paved streets at around 18 mph, keeping pace with traffic; good times.

    I got up this morning and rode across town to the Belmont Plateau to get in a little dan patrol ride before work. Riding across town was a chore, but I was rewarded with ideal singletrack conditions. The dense wet snow had frozen, creating a piste that was akin to slick rock: firm, with days of traction. The Hodags really shine in these conditions and my short little 14 mile ride was a complete blast. I'd been giving though to getting rid of the bucksaw for a dedicated plus bike, but after today, I think I may keep it a little while longer. Hopefully, we'll get snow more than once a year in the coming winter seasons, but I'm not confident on that count. Given the hassle of changing tires, I'll keep the Hodags on until race season and see if I like them on the dirt... I'd just put on a pair of 845g WTB Rangers, that I really like though, I'm not sure if I want to give up the acceleration, but we'll see. As for the tire size, I have no regrets about not building a set of 26 fat wheels and no interest in doing so. If anything, if i wanted a dedicated fat wheel set, I'd probably go with 27.5x65 or 80. 650B is the future of fat for me, I hope other tire makers jump on board; a 27.5x4 Schwalbe Jumbo Jim would be the Bee's Knees.

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    Many thanks to @dRjOn @bikeny @the mayor for answering my question. Really preciate the data you provided to me.
    Big thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lactatofilo View Post
    Many thanks to @dRjOn @bikeny @the mayor for answering my question. Really preciate the data you provided to me.
    Big thanks!!
    One more bit to help or confuse you.
    And again, it depends on where, what and how you ride.
    Bottom bracket height: compared with the 26 Hodags, the 27.5 Hodags raise the b/b about 5 mm...and the 29+ Chuppas add another 5 to that.
    On the other hand....if you put 27.5 3( like a Fat Trax) inch tires on....it lowers the b/b about 10 mm

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    I have not ridden Hodags, but I have ridden a few fat and plus tires over the years including Minions in 2.5, 3.0, 3.8, and 4.8.

    The Floater was my fav 4" tire before I got the 27.5 x 3.8 Minions, now you can't pry them suckers outta my hands. Bomber construction, sticky on rock, good grip on snow, fast on firm, very predictable.

    The 29+ Minions are not what I expected, perhaps it's because I like my 3.8's, or maybe the 29+ just felt tall in comparison, but after riding both, I missed the 3.8's.

    I think the best part of 27.5 x 4 is the combination of height and width, it negates the need for 26 x 4.

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    I've done a lot of experimenting with tires/wheels on my Farley 5 over the past year+. 27.5x2.8, 29x3, 26x5, and now 27.5x3.8. I really liked the 27.5x2.8 on singletrack but it lowered my bb too much. 29x3 never felt right to me on those same trails, but as mentioned the rollover was great but really had to work that momentum. I think the Stache with the shorter chainstays might have made a difference. Anyway, sold both of those wheelsets.

    26x5 is what I ran in the snow this year and just got a 27.5x65mm wheelset for this summer and maybe winter next year. I'm giving it one more year to decide if riding fat year round is my thing. Seems there are just too many compromises to make it work for me year round. Might just suck it up and buy a dedicated summer bike.

    Thankfully the market where I live is full of used wheels/tires so I've been mostly able to get out everything I've put it when I turn around and sell stuff off.


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    I listed a set with Hodags just now. I love this wheel combo on the fatty in summer, especially in rockier climates! I would love to stay with them, especially with all the tires coming in the new future in 27.5x 3.8. I have to decided to keep my fatty dedicated full fat and build a FS plus bike. May regret it, but experimenting is half the fun!

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    Ok Ive skimmed thru the whole thread and maybe I missed it . Im looking for overall width and diameter of a Minion fbf 27.5x3.8 on a 45mm internal rim . A 50 mulefut.
    Anybody know? Thanks much.

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    *off the top of my head* it is about 93mm wide (knobs) and 747mm diameter on 65mm (external) rim. i can measure if it's critical.

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    Cool that will work thanks. Im putting the 3.8 Minion on the Jones with a 2.8 rekon on back and was concerned about toe overlap.

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    i have a jones with a hodag on 45mm internal rim front (ti, truss fork) and ikon 2.8 on the rear (45mm internal) and it fits and works great.

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    That's great to here. Ive been running it with a 27.5 dirt wizard in back and a 4.0 nate on a 80mm rim in front. I think this setup should be a lot of fun and maybe a bit faster.

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    I have seen 27.5" fatbike rims in widths from 45mm external, 50mm external, 65mm external all the way to 27.5" x 80mm external. Which 27.5" rim width is best for a 3.8- 4.00" tire? especially for trail use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by endo_alley View Post
    I have seen 27.5" fatbike rims in widths from 45mm external, 50mm external, 65mm external all the way to 27.5" x 80mm external. Which 27.5" rim width is best for a 3.8- 4.00" tire? especially for trail use?
    Somewhere in this forum (I think in this thread) Mikesee wrote that he had experimented with multiple rim widths and settled on 50 mm as ideal for 3.8" tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    Somewhere in this forum (I think in this thread) Mikesee wrote that he had experimented with multiple rim widths and settled on 50 mm as ideal for 3.8" tires.

    That's true. But it's also worth mentioning that, in the context of 27.5" tires, the 3 currently available that are labeled 3.8" or 4" actually measure closer to 3.5".

    If you had an actual 4" tire in hand you'd probably want a bit wider rim.

    I've got 65mm wide rims for my 27.5 x 4.5" tires. No bueno for snow, great in washes, arroyos, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by endo_alley View Post
    I have seen 27.5" fatbike rims in widths from 45mm external, 50mm external, 65mm external all the way to 27.5" x 80mm external. Which 27.5" rim width is best for a 3.8- 4.00" tire? especially for trail use?
    As mikesee says, there aren't any actual 4" tires for 27.5. I have a set of 27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi and really like them. They are on 50mm rims since that is what I had for running 27.5 x 3.25 tires and I feel that those are a little too narrow. They work okay but the tires are a little too rounded off and the cornering knobs aren't fully in play. If I was looking for dirt rims for Barbegazi I would go with 65mm. I personally use the flotation on occasion and would like 80mm rims and I don't think they would have any problem in the dirt as there is a lot of tire out there to protect the rim.

    I have a 2014 Mukluk Ti and I don't have any clearance problems. I don't think I would have any with 80mm rims either. I do have a 1x11 drivetrain though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Welnic View Post
    As mikesee says, there aren't any actual 4" tires for 27.5. I have a set of 27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi and really like them. They are on 50mm rims since that is what I had for running 27.5 x 3.25 tires and I feel that those are a little too narrow. They work okay but the tires are a little too rounded off and the cornering knobs aren't fully in play. If I was looking for dirt rims for Barbegazi I would go with 65mm. I personally use the flotation on occasion and would like 80mm rims and I don't think they would have any problem in the dirt as there is a lot of tire out there to protect the rim.

    I have a 2014 Mukluk Ti and I don't have any clearance problems. I don't think I would have any with 80mm rims either. I do have a 1x11 drivetrain though.
    What are the tire measurements, i.e. width & Diameter?

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    Has anyone mounted a 3.8 Hodag on an i40 rim? Curious what sort of overall width would be to see if they would fit in my custom fork. Running DT Swiss XM551's.

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    Mukluks take the 26 4.7 Barbagazi on 80mm rims without any real issue. 1x10 with aeffect crank and 11-42. Get a little chain rub on granny ring at pavement pressures when frame flexes under my 275lbs. Don't even anything besides 1x though lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    What are the tire measurements, i.e. width & Diameter?
    27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi on 50mm (external) Nextie rims. Air pressure around 10 psi. 99mm at the carcass, 104mm on the knobs. Around 765mm in height, which was just a casual eyeball job. They are mounted tubeless and have been on there around a year.

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    bumping this.

    I just sold my Farley 7 that had 80 mm Mulefut's with 26 x 4.7 Barbegazi's.

    I'm looking at getting a 2017 or 2018 Farley 9.6 that has the 27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi's.

    For winter/snow use.....has anyone compared those 2 directly?

    Just wondering what (if anything) i will lose for winter riding

    I run 29 x 3 Chupacabra's on 35 mm internal carbon rims for summer.

    I had a Bluto this year for summer use and while I preferred it to rigid, i didn't love it overall. I never did try it in winter mode although I had a Bluto on my previous Mayor as well.

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    Get a Mastodon, no reason to buy Blutos any more. May need an EXT for the taller Barbe...

    Quote Originally Posted by Swerny View Post
    bumping this.

    I just sold my Farley 7 that had 80 mm Mulefut's with 26 x 4.7 Barbegazi's.

    I'm looking at getting a 2017 or 2018 Farley 9.6 that has the 27.5 x 4.5 Barbegazi's.

    For winter/snow use.....has anyone compared those 2 directly?

    Just wondering what (if anything) i will lose for winter riding

    I run 29 x 3 Chupacabra's on 35 mm internal carbon rims for summer.

    I had a Bluto this year for summer use and while I preferred it to rigid, i didn't love it overall. I never did try it in winter mode although I had a Bluto on my previous Mayor as well.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Get a Mastodon, no reason to buy Blutos any more. May need an EXT for the taller Barbe...
    I will if i decide I need suspension. Not sure i want to add that much weight to the front of a hardtail though.

    Wondering more now about the 27.5 x 4.5 tire/wheel size for winter use.
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    It's a tall tire, so maybe a high BB is a good thing in snow. It's a more comparable height tire to your Chupa. Make sure the rim width is sufficent to spread the tire out, 80mm.

    If my Fatillac won't take a 4.8 Minion, I'll probably ditch the 26" and move that direction for my Wozo; it suffers from low BB pedal induced strikes...

    There is some question whether the 2017 clears a Mastodon, check on it as that may be the change from 2017 to 2018.

    Mikesee rides this tire.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swerny View Post
    I will if i decide I need suspension.

    Wondering more now about the 27.5 x 4.5 tire/wheel size for winter use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swerny View Post
    Wondering more now about the 27.5 x 4.5 tire/wheel size for winter use.

    Depends on which -- you have Barbegazi and Gnarwhal to choose from right now.

    Barbe is good -- fast -- on packed snow and especially if that snow has moisture. Like in the eastern ~half of North America.

    Gnarwhal is awesome, aggressive, with big meaty knobs that can be studded. I don't have a ton of back-to-back time on them, but I think the B Fat Gnarwhal on an appropriate rim can be just as effective as Bud/Lou in western (light, dry, not well packed) snow. It really digs in and finds traction.

    With only these two B Fat tires, any 26" tire smaller than 5.25" is dead to me for snow. And if a 4.8" or bigger B Fat tire comes out, all 26" tires will be dead to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Depends on which -- you have Barbegazi and Gnarwhal to choose from right now.

    Barbe is good -- fast -- on packed snow and especially if that snow has moisture. Like in the eastern ~half of North America.

    Gnarwhal is awesome, aggressive, with big meaty knobs that can be studded. I don't have a ton of back-to-back time on them, but I think the B Fat Gnarwhal on an appropriate rim can be just as effective as Bud/Lou in western (light, dry, not well packed) snow. It really digs in and finds traction.

    With only these two B Fat tires, any 26" tire smaller than 5.25" is dead to me for snow. And if a 4.8" or bigger B Fat tire comes out, all 26" tires will be dead to me.
    thanks Mike!

    What are the weights of the Barbegazi vs Gnarwhal in 27.5 X 4.5 guys?

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    I found the weight of the un-studded Gnarwhal at 1510 grams.

    The Barbegazi is 1240 grams per the Trek site
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swerny View Post
    What are the weights of the Barbegazi vs Gnarwhal in 27.5 X 4.5 guys?

    Tee hee.

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    Wondering more now about the 27.5 x 4.5 tire/wheel size for winter use.
    I rode a Bud/Nate combo for two years, last year I picked up a Farley 9.6, love the bike, but the Barbegazi up front in fresh snow, is pretty bad, compared to my Bud on my other bike, the Barbe washes out real easy, I dont have any experience with the Gnarwhal. As mike said they are good in hard pack, and its a decent rear tire in fresh snow. Im not sure what Im going to run next winter, but I have no confidents with the Barbed up front, in fresh snow 3 to 5, I live in Michigan, so we probably have similar conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmbrown View Post
    I rode a Bud/Nate combo for two years, last year I picked up a Farley 9.6, love the bike, but the Barbegazi up front in fresh snow, is pretty bad, compared to my Bud on my other bike, the Barbe washes out real easy, I dont have any experience with the Gnarwhal. As mike said they are good in hard pack, and its a decent rear tire in fresh snow. Im not sure what Im going to run next winter, but I have no confidents with the Barbed up front, in fresh snow 3 to 5, I live in Michigan, so we probably have similar conditions.
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    Gnarwhal is the answer. Ordering a 9.6 and going to run studde gnar f and barb r
    Youll love the bike, Im not sure that the Gnarwhal is the answer How does the Gnarwhal compare to Bud 26 rims could be the answer, or maybe just a 26 up front.

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    local fast guy ran unstudded gnarwhals on his farley 9.6 last winter, and he loved them. AFAIK, he will be doing the same this winter season.

    i just joined the B fat club. Well, my wallet did. I hope to take delivery of some B fat goodness in a week or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmbrown View Post
    Youll love the bike, Im not sure that the Gnarwhal is the answer How does the Gnarwhal compare to Bud 26 rims could be the answer, or maybe just a 26 up front.

    I've ridden Bud a lot since he was released.

    I rode the Gnarwhal a decent bit last winter, on deep, marginally consolidated Colorado snow.

    I'd rate Gnarwhal higher than Bud almost everywhere.

    Put differently, for winter riding, I'd choose Gnarwhal pretty much every time over Bud.

    Bud is a great, great tire. Gnarwhal, by virtue of it's tread pattern and overall height + girth, is better.

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    I've ridden Bud a lot since he was released.

    I rode the Gnarwhal a decent bit last winter, on deep, marginally consolidated Colorado snow.

    I'd rate Gnarwhal higher than Bud almost everywhere.

    Put differently, for winter riding, I'd choose Gnarwhal pretty much every time over Bud.

    Bud is a great, great tire. Gnarwhal, by virtue of it's tread pattern and overall height + girth, is better.
    That's good news, were you running those fore and aft.

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    Mike, what rims are you using for the 27.5 Gnarwhal? I am still trying to decide what wheel setup I want for my Ice Cream Truck build...Thanks!


    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I've ridden Bud a lot since he was released.

    I rode the Gnarwhal a decent bit last winter, on deep, marginally consolidated Colorado snow.

    I'd rate Gnarwhal higher than Bud almost everywhere.

    Put differently, for winter riding, I'd choose Gnarwhal pretty much every time over Bud.

    Bud is a great, great tire. Gnarwhal, by virtue of it's tread pattern and overall height + girth, is better.

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    95% of the time I'm building Jackalope or Wampa. The other 5% I use HED or Nextie or some other chibon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    ....or some other chibon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    95% of the time I'm building Jackalope or Wampa. The other 5% I use HED or Nextie or some other chibon.
    Mike,

    Contemplating some big and tall wheelwere for the Wozo, some Gnarwall 27.5 x 4.5 on Jackalopes. Do you have width and diameter measurements for that set up?

    Thanks!

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    Gnarwhal is the answer. Ordering a 9.6 and going to run studde gnar f and barb r
    I'm going the same route...placing my order this week for the 9.6. I'd like to run the Gnarwhal F&R though

    Now i wonder if the LBS will swap the Barbegazi for the Gnarwhal. I only need the stock setup for winter use as I have 29+ setup for the rest of the year.
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    Mike,

    Contemplating some big and tall wheelwere for the Wozo, some Gnarwall 27.5 x 4.5 on Jackalopes. Do you have width and diameter measurements for that set up?

    Thanks!

    Here's what I wrote down back in January:

    27.5 x 3.8" = 29.4" tall. Hodag, Minion.
    27.5 x 4.5" = 30.25 to 30.5" tall, depending on rim/tire combo. Barbe, Gnar.
    26 x 4" = 28.75" tall. I think I measured a Van Helga on an 80mm rim.
    26 x 4.8" = 29.75" tall. Bud/Lou.
    29 x 3.0" = 30.1" tall. Chupa, DHF.

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