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    Quote Originally Posted by Läskimasa View Post
    They work great in Blackborow too.
    I was looking at them as an option. It looks like the best frame so far for them.
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    Design Logic fat e-cargo bike running Snowshoe 2XL

    The gentleman that posted pics of his bikes in the Cargo Bike forum picture thread says that the second version of his fat cargo bike is being built to run the Snowshoe 2XL. I can't wait to see it.

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    Seems a little close for comfort on the black borrow. I was thinking of these but looks a little tight.

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    Front fork, about 6 mm clearance:


    Rear, about 4-5 mm clearance:






    Seat tube, about 12 mm clearance:


    Chainstay (1st gear), 2 mm extra spacer installed between crank/BB, 2-3 mm clearance:


    P.S. Good offer for M-size Blackborow in Germany: Salsa Blackborow 1 26'' Fat bike bike metallic grey 2015 Edit: Sold out (was 1799€).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Läskimasa View Post
    Front fork, about 6 mm clearance:


    Rear, about 4-5 mm clearance:






    Seat tube, about 12 mm clearance:


    Chainstay (1st gear), 2 mm extra spacer installed between crank/BB, 2-3 mm clearance:


    P.S. Good offer for M-size Blackborow in Germany: Salsa Blackborow 1 26'' Fat bike bike metallic grey 2015
    im gonna be totally honest with you, I had more clearance on my moonlander and i got it to rub. I think its a rear hub/stiffness issue.
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    Great pics of your Blackborow, I wish everyone showed tire clearance like this.
    I guess any tire rub depends on how stiff the frame is, how heavy the rider is, and how much power the bike receives to cause the spokes/rim to wander around.
    A Moonlander being steel might be why it gets tire rub, but the stiffer AL Blackborow might not have any problems?

    Laskimasa, can you tell us how heavy you are and how long you have been riding with no tire rub?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttakata73 View Post
    Laskimasa, can you tell us how heavy you are and how long you have been riding with no tire rub?
    I'm 190 lbs and I've riding about 50 miles. No rubbing at all, no marks of it too.

    The Blackborow frame is noticeably stiffer than Fatboy's which I own before.

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    im 245lbs with a little qr skewered i can get that wheel to rub out of the saddle in the parking lot.
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    Will Qtubes 26" x 2.75" tubes work with the 2XL?

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    Nevermind.

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    For tubes, try these:
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post

    Bud/Lou on 100mm rims are better than everything that came before but still aren't big enough.

    29" (700c rim) x 6" is probably not too big either. Bring it.
    And here it is, Mike...
    Just got this monster from an up and coming tire manufacturer for evaluation and testing. It was supposed to be 5.5''.
    Well, it isn't.
    Got a long list of stuff they need to revise, like knob pattern (needs powder friendly pattern and knobs, casing type (way, way heavy) and they need to slim it to 5.7'' or smaller in order to be able to test it. It is marked 5.5'' but it is more than 6.1''.
    New tire on the left, Lou middle and production version 2XL on the right. All mounted on 103mm rims. Rolling diameter is 32.0'' vs 31.4'' on the production 2XL.


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    Espen go stand those wheels up outside next to a car/jeep tire! I don't think we get enough size perspective in these shots.

    By the way, if no one else has said it, thanks for pushing the technology forward in fat bikes.
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    Dammit, just stop, please.

    No, wait, don't.

    AHHHHHHHGRGRGRGRGRG......

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    starts to giggle

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    This is exactly the direction I want to go with my snow riding. I am all for this step in tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
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    Got a long list of stuff they need to revise, ..... and they need to slim it to 5.7'' or smaller in order to be able to test it. It is marked 5.5'' but it is more than 6.1''.
    .....
    What?! Don't request that they make it smaller, you make a proto-bike bigger to accomodate.

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    Good god - how many road bike tires did they have to kill to make that thing?
    I would advise not taking my advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bme107 View Post
    What?! Don't request that they make it smaller, you make a proto-bike bigger to accomodate.
    This.

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    Just ordered a custom titanium fork that has clearance for the 2XL - do I need to change my order?

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    we are gonna need a bigger bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit View Post
    we are gonna need a bigger bike.
    At powder right now, should be built late next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    At powder right now, should be built late next week.
    can't wait to see it.
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    Sweet mega tire.
    Keep the mammoth size and ask them to make a 24×6" tire and all will be good so long as chain clearance is OK of course.

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    Been trying to find a set of these, lbs is not having any luck any clues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vadimhellbike View Post
    You may be referring to my Design Logic bikes. I talked to Lance Portnoff today. He is making two (4130 straight gauge chromoly tubing) frames for me now that will fit the Snowshoe XXL. I will have the bare frames a month from now and I will post pics in this thread as soon as I receive them.

    When I am done, it will look like this, but with Vee XXL tires and a front shock:
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    That's the one. Great job on the build. That is pretty close to my dream bike that you are making. Is it too late to change the frame to fit a 6" tire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saw View Post
    That's the one. Great job on the build. That is pretty close to my dream bike that you are making. Is it too late to change the frame to fit a 6" tire?
    My frame will only fit the Vee XXL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bme107 View Post
    What?! Don't request that they make it smaller, you make a proto-bike bigger to accomodate.
    Yep, definitely looking into that, but as of now, with symmetric rear and 197mm spacing/hub width, we are pretty much limited to 5.6ish effective casing width, and that is with a IGH drivetrain.
    Cassette based drivetrain with acceptable chainline for a production bike is limited to around 5.2'', ie pretty much the production 2XL mounted on a 103mm rim.

    These protos are 6.1-6.2'' (unstretched with tube on the 103 rims), so would require an offset 197mm frame or a 220mm+ rear hub/rear spacing.
    Not a problem technically, but seeing that plenty of riders are struggling with the q-factor on a 197 frame, this would be way over the top for many.

    This specific tire is fairly low tech with exceedingly thick casing and a weight of 2800g, so I actually doubt that they will have much more flotation than my prototype 2XLs that are 5.6'' and one ply casing vs. 2 ply on the production versions.
    The lightest of my 5.6'' protos is 1695g with 260 studs, so would be in the 1590g range if I pulled the studs out of it. Compare that to the 1800g+ weight of the significantly smaller production 2XL.
    Talked to the Vee guys at the MY17 bike show in Taichung last week, and it certainly looks like they will do a 3XL based on the 2XL protos that I and a few others got last winter. For a mass produced bike, the 3XL would require a IGH setup, but now that for example Rohloff has launched their 197 setup, that is doable.
    We are having some non-IGH frames built right now with clearance for 3XL, so will use those to see how crazy the chainline will have to be in order to run the 3XL with a cassette based drivetrain. What is acceptable on ones own bike is often a lot more radical than what is accepted on a production bike with 5 year warranty.
    Don't feel like going back to offset frames, and I don't think many others feel that urge either, but who knows.
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    Hmmmm... A return to offset rears, but in a 197 flavour? Would a 177 hub be wide enough if it's offset? They seem to be less prone to failure.

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    Offset frames worked to solve the problem that had yet to be solved.

    Until there is sufficient demand to create components to deal with the extra volume, honestly, I think it's a great idea.

    The Pug then Moonie proved fat (and fatter) bikes were valid, and could create a new market. All by simply making a tweak to the frame. Now, because of that, we have a cornucopia of offerings in hubs, rims, tires, and cranks.

    Far easier to tweak a frame and dual drill rims, than it is to create as yet unknown crank/BB standard, which honestly, would likely end up being some POS quality crank just to make low production numbers affordable.

    I say 197 offset. The concept, and comprehension of this design is well established thus, cheap and easily implemented.

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    12 x 217 rear DT Swiss hub to allow full 1 x 11 with a chainline biased toward the friendly gears. E-stay to keep the chainstays sub-stratospheric. At powdercoat right now.

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    Call it the Bone Inducer. I'm getting light-headed....

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    Mighty sweet build!

    BTW, have you measured the casing width of the 2XLs mounted on the ENSO 105 rims?
    (at 20psi or close to that)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximumX View Post
    Call it the Bone Inducer. I'm getting light-headed....
    Im with Max.

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    Wow

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    Wow! You are pushing the future of fatbikes; I look forward to seeing it finished.
    I love elevated stays and wish more bikes had them.
    I thought the Quiring bike was awesome but this is my new favorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Mighty sweet build!

    BTW, have you measured the casing width of the 2XLs mounted on the ENSO 105 rims?
    (at 20psi or close to that)
    Not yet--still stretching.

    Edit: I let it sit overnight at 7psi. 130mm casing width this AM.
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    Wow, welding, nothing is like melting steele together. Especially with that result. Respect

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    The magic happening in this thread in the past 2 days needs to be separated out into separate threads.

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    this is getting real good. a note on the offset topic. they have been holding up for years now despite their unsettling looks.
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    This thread rocks. Love the builds and the tech.

    Unsolicited 2 cents...Offsets make sense to me now that the bikes are bumping up against the limitations of the human frame.
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    received both of my snowshoe 2xl's last week and a replacement is getting shipped the tire had a horrible wobble in it thought if i did a little riding it would go away but that wasn't the case..other than that i thought it was a badass tire..more info to follow

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    Anyone try these on a Farley 7?
    I think its advertised as being able to take a 5 inch tire but who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Not yet--still stretching.

    Edit: I let it sit overnight at 7psi. 130mm casing width this AM.
    Update: Took it to 14psi (Meiser low psi gauge) and left it overnight. 133mm casing width, averaged over 3 spots.

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    My new 2XL Quiring!

    Just got my Quiring 2XL built up last night. Looking forward to hitting some sandy "test hills" tonight to see what this thing can do!
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    Nice Green Bay Packer colors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbudell View Post
    Just got my Quiring 2XL built up last night. Looking forward to hitting some sandy "test hills" tonight to see what this thing can do!
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    looks great can't wait to hear how it rides!!

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    bbudell, your last pic is my laptop's new wallpaper.
    Feel free to add more detail shots.

    I was comtemplating getting a fatbike soon but this thread is diminishing my desire because I don't want an outdated frame next year.
    I plan to ride sand and mud so fitting this tire is highest on my frame criteria.
    I guess I will just keep saving up and live vicariously through you guys until I can't hold out any longer.

    I hope more people post other frames that can fit this tire.
    I suspect the Fuji Wendigo can as it runs Vee 4.7 on 100mm rims and looks to have a lot of clearance.
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    Let's up the ante a little bit:


    2XL tubeless on a 103 mm rim, on a Lefty Max 'Mendonized' by none the other than his guru-ness Craig Smith, at MCS.

    Discuss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbudell View Post
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    Nice, but the front tire is backwards. Mistake or purpose?

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    Lookin' good Alberto!
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    In this case it was on purpose. I have been running it the "correct" direction for a while on the front of some bikes and wanted to see how it felt backwards. Didn't really notice much of a difference FWIW.

    Did some playing around on some local sand dunes last night and I am SUPER impressed. I was able to climb stuff I have only made it up a few times previously with Bud/Lous but during those previous times the ground was frozen. I have never even come close to making up the climbs previously in the dry sand conditions I rode in last night.

    This is highly subjective but the jump in drive traction from Bud/Lou to 2XL feels similar to the jump from Dillinger 5's to Bud/Lou. If the sand performance is any indicator of snow performance, the bar has been raised considerably!

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    Early fat tire bike

    For those of you who have not seen this picture:

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    I would build and ride a bike like that.

    Note: I replaced the image with a better one, but I couldn't delete the first pic.
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    Here are two more for those who are interested:

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbudell View Post
    Just got my Quiring 2XL built up last night. Looking forward to hitting some sandy "test hills" tonight to see what this thing can do!
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    If the frame and fork were both built for this tire, why aren't the fork steer tube and head tube the same diameter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willum View Post
    If the frame and fork were both built for this tire, why aren't the fork steer tube and head tube the same diameter?
    Guessing he had that built as I had my custom built. With a rigid fork(easier for a steel builder to do in 1 1/8th), but built to accept Bluto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean salach View Post
    Guessing he had that built as I had my custom built. With a rigid fork(easier for a steel builder to do in 1 1/8th), but built to accept Bluto.
    I wanted the ability to run an Angleset and a tapered steerer down the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbudell View Post
    I wanted the ability to run an Angleset and a tapered steerer down the line.
    Or that....

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    I also have a Quiring fatty, but not the Triple B. The reason Scott prefers that steerer is weight savings. On mine, I learned from my previous Fatback going from a normal steerer to a larger tapered one I liked better. So when Scott built mine, I payed the weight penalty and went with a tapered fork that matches the headtube. I like the 70 degree HT year round, so no Angleset for me. I don't notice the extra weight, and the fork is fantastic. The steering ability of my Q is the closest fatty I've ridden that matches my old Wildfire, which to this day is still top notch despite its age and 72 degree HT angle. I'm not saying the normal steerer is no good, it's a personal preference I have, especially when rides get a bit rough. Most people would prefer the lighter option as shown in BBU's pic, even Scott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Update: Took it to 14psi (Meiser low psi gauge) and left it overnight. 133mm casing width, averaged over 3 spots.
    Any updates on total width? I am seriously considering a set of these for my FS bike I build a couple years ago...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blown240 View Post
    Any updates on total width? I am seriously considering a set of these for my FS bike I build a couple years ago...
    No change in all the intervening days. Could probably get a few more mm's out of it if I wanted to, but it's already at ~double the riding pressure it's ever going to see.

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    ok cool. Thats exactly what I needed to know. Im going to see if I have about 5.5 clearance on this bike, and if not, I may have to massage some metal....

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    I just measured my FS fat bike. I have 6" clearance in the rear, and 5 1/2 in the front. I may have to get some of these tires!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blown240 View Post
    I am seriously considering a set of these for my FS bike I build a couple years ago...
    Yeti 575? The height (31") of these tires might be a serious problem.
    Fatter is better

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    Welcome to the Dark Side.

    The ultimate snow bike that you can build for yourself and make all your friends insanely jealous. That is if they will even talk to you anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Läskimasa View Post
    Yeti 575? The height (31") of these tires might be a serious problem.
    No, not the Yeti. I built a full suspension fatbike a few years back. It has room for these big tires!

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    Finally got around to writing a review of this tire. It did very well.

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    Also curious if these will fit on the 2016 Farley's

    Mikesee, Thanks for dreaming big and pushing the envelope.

    New wheels look very very rad!
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    Moulton Spaceframe 2XL

    Well after being inspired by Mikesee's Meriweather fatbike that can take these tires I spent the weekend designing a fatbike that can take 5.47x32" tires.

    A Moulton Douple Pylon is the most insane brazed stainless road bike I know of but is around $20K!


    So I thought it would be cool to have a similar design in a fatbike.
    I got this as close to a Blackborow's geometry as possible. So this has a low standover and short stays; only the fork trail is a little shorter. It has a 120mm suspension correct fork and a T47x100 bottom bracket.

    Imagine if this was made in titanium. Sadly I am not a welder or rich enough to pay for a custom. If any fabricators want to collaborate on a bike frame; please get in touch. I would love to see one of my ideas become reality. Maybe after you make a profit on a run of frames, then I can get a free one.
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    Titanium welding is only a class away... Chromoly brazing is an even shorter class.

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    Some great designs and built frames. My only issue is how little clearance there is between the tires and the frame. Not only on the width but on the diameter on the mounted+inflated tire and wheel diameter.
    I'm sure that having the tire close to the seat post improves some feature of riding. But, riding off road and on wet snow, ie any snow other than Arctic style dry powder. Will pack plenty of snow or mud around the tire. Causing it to scrape off on the frame. Where as if there was some room there, say 2" it wouldn't bind things up.
    I'm wondering if anyone else considers that a valid issue.
    Not that I'm in any way disparaging anyone's design. Just wondering is all. What would be lost by stretching out the rear end lengthwise??

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    Quote Originally Posted by albystarvation View Post
    Let's up the ante a little bit:


    2XL tubeless on a 103 mm rim, on a Lefty Max 'Mendonized' by none the other than his guru-ness Craig Smith, at MCS.

    Discuss.
    That's upping the ante a little, but some people are blowing it out of the water.

    Fork to run dually 2XL tires on clownshoes, in titanium.

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    And and the frame to go along with it, also running dually 2XL's:

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    I can't wait to see the finished product.

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    ^So long as I don't have to pedal it.

    I test fit a tubed XXL on clown shoes on a BD carbon fork. It fit, with decent clearance on top and on the side, but it's very close on the corners. By eye, it looked like ~3/16" clearance on each side. This was a very true tire, and any amount out of round would make things real tight.

    Perhaps on an 80mm rim, it would fit the fork profile better. My buddy runs them on his blackborrow, and while they worked well on trail, he hated life on a mile or so of pavement. They also seem to pick up a lot of leaves, and lodge them in the tight clearances of the fork/frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    That's upping the ante a little, but some people are blowing it out of the water.

    Fork to run dually 2XL tires on clownshoes, in titanium.

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    I can't wait to see the finished product.
    Holy crap! what's that, a 25" chain stay? good luck with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by middlewoodlands View Post
    Will Qtubes 26" x 2.75" tubes work with the 2XL?
    I used a Bontrager 2.8" tube to inflate and seat the beads of the 2XL's on my 105mm rims. They worked fine for that. But In the interest of actually having a tube that holds air indefinitely when needed, I'll be carrying Surly tubes as my spares when riding these tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    Holy crap! what's that, a 25" chain stay? good luck with that.
    Rumor has it the chain will be between the two rear tires. It'll be interesting to see it when it's done but I wouldn't want to try and pedal it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttakata73 View Post
    A Moulton Douple Pylon is the most insane brazed stainless road bike I know of but is around $20K!
    Trailmaker built himself a similar frame earlier in the year. TrailMaker #3 - Black Ops
    He hasn't been around that much...?

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    I would totally trade longer chainstay for normal Q and super float/traction.

    It's not like your going to breaking any speed records with a 2XL. Well maybe over the guys having to push/walk their bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ascarlarkinyar View Post
    I would totally trade longer chainstay for normal Q and super float/traction.

    It's not like your going to breaking any speed records with a 2XL. Well maybe over the guys having to push/walk their bikes.

    What use is float/traction if the wheel is so far behind your center of mass that you spin the tire when trying to access it?

    Point simply being that chainstay length is as important as tire width or pressure for soft surface riding.

    We are agreed that riding beats walking, period.

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    I posted my vendor's CAD work here without his permission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vadimhellbike View Post
    I am putting my 2XL tires on two ebikes that can go up to 38mph, but I usually ride at 30-34mph. I am using Bud & Lou tires at 28psi for this task now and they do well at speed. Not the most practical tire choice, I know.

    The motor supplier had to make custom axles (I circled the 190mm shoulder):
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    just stay off my trails with that motorcycle.....

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    That post was a mistake on many levels. My bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vadimhellbike View Post
    That post was a mistake on many levels. My bad.
    You are not helping the ebike cause at all, please keep up the good work

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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to bdundee again.

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    These tires are unbeatable on soft sand tubeless with very low tire pressures. Check it out.

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    I took a Carver Ti bike on 2XL's out for a short spin not too long ago, it was incredible. The sheer size of these tires compared to others was noticeable. The bike rode fine but the additional rotating mass was too much for my riding. I could see having a set to ride on fresh powder but the times that would happen would be few and far between. I am no Lance Armstrong and would definitely have to build up to that much rotating girth.

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    ^ Are those white ones PSC Compound 2XLs? What´s the weight of them?
    Fatter is better

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    The 2XL's do not fit on the back of my 2015 907 (aluminum 197mm thru axle) It does fit their standard aluminum fork with plenty of room.

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    Whoa, what Carver frame fits the 2xxl's? What rims and what gearing? Thanks.

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    I'm not sure of the frame but know Forrest was looking into making a frame around those tires a year ago when the prototypes were displayed on here. It's setup 1x11 and rides very well, with plenty of room in the back. I'll drop by and ask since I have to go by there tonight.

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    Yes, they are the PSC tires. Oddly enough, they have no stud pockets like the folding 2XL's, probably due to the compound composition. I don't know the weights but can ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post

    Yes, they are the PSC tires. Oddly enough, they have no stud pockets like the folding 2XL's, probably due to the compound composition. I don't know the weights but can ask.
    The Bikeman pic shows the regular XL.
    The prototype 5.6'' 2XL from March had stud pockets. I have one with the pockets and one proto that was studded at Vee. The knobs on the 2XL are too tall and skinny (the stud base was poking out through the side of several knobs) so I advised them to do the first generation 2XL without studs and rather add a model with the same size casing but wider knobs that would support studs better. Studs require a solid foundation so that they get a nice bite into the ice.
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    The pic of the tires on the bike shows the 2XL tires, I'll have to see if they have any of the regulars upstairs when I stop by to look for the stud pockets but you're probably correct.
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    Yep, the PSC (Pure Silica Compound) white ones on the Carver Ti are 2XLs.
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    Once again you are correct, no stud pockets on the regular folding beads either. I find it interesting the XL's have the stud pockets though, on both the folding bead and the PSC's.

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    As to the weights, they said the PSC's were about 80g heavier than the folding bead.

    And the bike is (I think, my memory isn't that great since I'm sick) the 'OverBeast'. There is plenty of room for even larger tires in there.

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    It does kinda stand out a little in the crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    Once again you are correct, no stud pockets on the regular folding beads either. I find it interesting the XL's have the stud pockets though, on both the folding bead and the PSC's.
    Yep, I advised them to remove the studs/ stud pockets on the production 2XL as it would have required much bigger knobs, something that would have added significant weight on an already fairly heavy tire.

    On the XL, that had lower and flatter knobs (much better suited for studs), my advise was to offer both a studded and studable version, which they did.

    Great to see that he Carver can go even bigger than 5.2 (true casing width of the 2XL on a 100mm), as I and others are advising Vee to do a production version of the 5.6'' 2XL protos that I have. The more frames that can fit it, the more viable a ''3XL'' is.
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    What is the overbeast? The ti obeast is 170mm rear which I highly doubt would fit a 2xl, and the carbobeast is 190mm.

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    It's a bike built to accommodate the widest tires available. I know it uses the standard BB but I think it's a little wider. The 2XL's are mounted on standard Clownshoe rims. I don't know the specs but the guys at Bikeman.com do since they built it. I'm just a bike rat that stops by, buys a ton of stuff from them, and supplies them with beer and Christmas cookies from time to time. It's fun to stop by, they are anything but boring.
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