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    nice. can't wait to try it

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    WHere do you think this will fit in with the Nate and HuDu? Any mention of availability?

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    I wonder what the design purpose is? Rather than just another shoe to buy. Maybe to replace the Larry which is getting long in the tooth.

    You know what I would really like to see? A fat 29er. And no 3" is not fat. Maybe 3.4" with a 32+ diameter. Maybe too heavy but who knows until someone tries it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seewhatididther View Post
    WHere do you think this will fit in with the Nate and HuDu? Any mention of availability?
    No--no mention of availability.

    My guesses:
    Knard v. Nate: Knard will be lighter, faster rolling, less aggressive. Better for dry, worse for wet. More predictable when banked over, and narrower.

    Knard v. HuDu: This will be an interesting one to see. Knard will be narrower, but I wonder how the rolling resistance and traction will compare.

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    i see knard as a best candidate for home made studded tire ! just my opinion

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    I'm assuming if the 26" Knard sets up well tubeless, then the 29" Knard may too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawfarm View Post
    No--no mention of availability.

    My guesses:
    Knard v. Nate: Knard will be lighter, faster rolling, less aggressive. Better for dry, worse for wet. More predictable when banked over, and narrower.

    Knard v. HuDu: This will be an interesting one to see. Knard will be narrower, but I wonder how the rolling resistance and traction will compare.
    What makes you think the Knard will be narrower?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traktor View Post
    What makes you think the Knard will be narrower?
    Knard is a 3.8, by label. I'm guessing it's on the same casing as the Larry. HuDu is 4, by label.

    HuDu is significantly wider than Larry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawfarm View Post
    Knard is a 3.8, by label. I'm guessing it's on the same casing as the Larry. HuDu is 4, by label.

    HuDu is significantly wider than Larry.
    At first I saw this and thought big deal. But then I realized what this meant. I'm looking to replace my Larry. A 32" Knard would also require a whole new wheel. A Husker Du or this 26" Knard would be the cheapest and easiest upgrade.

    I wonder if the Knard will be less than the $150 Husker Du, and when it will be available...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawfarm View Post
    Knard is a 3.8, by label. I'm guessing it's on the same casing as the Larry. HuDu is 4, by label.

    HuDu is significantly wider than Larry.
    I'm sure there are other numbers out there but what I could find searching the forums is HuDu on a 80 mm rim 95.25 mm and Larry on same rim 96mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    I'm sure there are other numbers out there but what I could find searching the forums is HuDu on a 80 mm rim 95.25 mm and Larry on same rim 96mm.
    I don't have the mm measurements in front of me at the moment, but as tried, back to back, on my 82mm Rolling Darryls, the HuDu was appreciably wider than a 3.8 Larry.

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    I find Larry and HD basically the same and Nate wider. Haven't seen BFLs.
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    good to have more options

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    29x3 Knard is pretty light, isn't it? This one might be one of the lighter fatties...perhaps it'll beat the light HuDu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by montana_ben View Post
    29x3 Knard is pretty light, isn't it? This one might be one of the lighter fatties...perhaps it'll beat the light HuDu?
    I think the 29x3" Knard will be around 850gms, and I think the 26x4" Husker Du is closer to 1200gms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding View Post
    I think the 29x3" Knard will be around 850gms, and I think the 26x4" Husker Du is closer to 1200gms.
    Right. 1200 1250. Still pretty light for the size. I'm really liking the HDs.

    I've been riding a motorcycle again recently and I've started unclipping form the pedal and sticking my root out and to the front on a bike too in some turns. Really helps with weight distribution and cornering traction. Plus you have a foot there if you slip. I'm much better on the left than the right. Same way on a motorcycle : /
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    Anybody know when these are supposed to be available?

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    Hey;

    This may have been found by others here searching the Frame Building forum, but I thought I would toss it in here anyway, for the sake of this forum. There is a thread in that forum that I started that has a small list of some Fatbike tire profiles, useful for frame building purposes.

    This is the spec I measured for a HuDu on the GRF/RD 80mm rim. This was while they were stretching at 40psi.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 26x3.8 Surly Knard-huskerduprofile.jpg  

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailMaker View Post
    Hey;

    This may have been found by others here searching the Frame Building forum, but I thought I would toss it in here anyway, for the sake of this forum. There is a thread in that forum that I started that has a small list of some Fatbike tire profiles, useful for frame building purposes.

    This is the spec I measured for a HuDu on the GRF/RD 80mm rim. This was while they were stretching at 40psi.
    thats too sexy for my rims..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding View Post
    I think the 29x3" Knard will be around 850gms, and I think the 26x4" Husker Du is closer to 1200gms.
    hmmm, if the 26x3.8 is 120tpi it too may under 1000gms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nvphatty View Post
    hmmm, if the 26x3.8 is 120tpi it too may under 1000gms.
    Never thought I'd see the day when a 1kg tyre would be "light"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Never thought I'd see the day when a 1kg tyre would be "light"
    Ha ha, so true

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawfarm View Post
    HuDu is significantly wider than Larry.
    It is?

    Not that I've seen--not even a little bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    It is?

    Not that I've seen--not even a little bit.
    See: New Husker Du , I posted some measurements. Found .010" to .030" bigger.

    I found my Husker Du's to be wider than the Larry's I got from you. Hard to say how much variation is in their process. You might not see any difference in some tires from a different run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Balogh View Post
    See: New Husker Du , I posted some measurements. Found .010" to .030" bigger.
    Well if you count 1/100th of an inch as significant than I guess you could be right.

    Bring on those digital calipers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Balogh View Post
    See: New Husker Du , I posted some measurements. Found .010" to .030" bigger.

    I found my Husker Du's to be wider than the Larry's I got from you. Hard to say how much variation is in their process. You might not see any difference in some tires from a different run.
    I guess we have a different definition of 'significant'!

    But you're right in that there are variances in each batch, not to mention that which tube (or lack thereof) and exact pressure can affect the overall measurement 'significantly'.

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    Availability looks to be mid month. I'm watching them, and will bring a couple in fo'sho'.
    Just a regular guy.

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    depending on price i may try a pr.

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    Unless there gougers out there, price will be right in line with the rest of Sulry's tire line up.
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    The Croatian Bear is thoroughly enjoying the Knard 3.8's. They corner better than the HD's and they're quicker to roll up. get ready to rip the legs off the inferior.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 26x3.8 Surly Knard-251033_137986603014483_1054456065_n.jpg  


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    Quote Originally Posted by croatian_bear View Post
    The Croatian Bear is thoroughly enjoying the Knard 3.8's. They corner better than the HD's and they're quicker to roll up. get ready to rip the legs off the inferior.
    oh sure makes us drool now.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by nvphatty View Post
    oh sure makes us drool now.........
    Just keep the drool off my Knards... Do: Like The Croatian Bear on Facebook though for a chance to win 1 of 5 'Resistance Care Packages'...400 Likes by 11/3 will make it happen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by croatian_bear View Post
    Just keep the drool off my Knards... Do: Like The Croatian Bear on Facebook though for a chance to win 1 of 5 'Resistance Care Packages'...400 Likes by 11/3 will make it happen!
    Done! not sure what a "Resistance Care Package" is, but if it is from Surly it's got to be cool! A pair of those Knards would be great for my Fatback build i'm almost done with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by croatian_bear View Post
    The Croatian Bear is thoroughly enjoying the Knard 3.8's. They corner better than the HD's and they're quicker to roll up. get ready to rip the legs off the inferior.
    thats a great shot to show the blocks and profile of Mr Nardy.

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    any real life weights on the 3.8 knard? wondering if they will be lighter than the new husker du? thanks

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    I enquired with surly today and the reply was avail 1st week in Nov with no idea of weight or cost....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traktor View Post
    ahhhhhhhh same as the HD which is quite spendy.

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    Still no weight?

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    Also posted on the Surly website now.

    I wonder how this one will do in the snow? Man santa has got to be pissed with how much I have been changing my list this year...
    Whatever floats your bike, dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustin Mustangs View Post
    Also posted on the Surly website now.

    I wonder how this one will do in the snow? Man santa has got to be pissed with how much I have been changing my list this year...

    Remember, it is not enough to have a good snow tire; the main thing is to use it well.

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    This looks like it may be the fat tire version of the Maxxis Beaver I have been having fever dreams about...

    Fixed gear trail Pug looking like it may see the light of day in 2013. I can hear the CFO now - "You spent $300+ on a pair of tires?!?!? You are so fired."
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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak View Post
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    croation_bear, is that an OD crank as well? hows that going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjfalken View Post
    croation_bear, is that an OD crank as well? hows that going?
    The new crank is great! Solid, black, no der rub, black...did I mention that it's black?

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    awesome, thanks! i have my name on one as soon as they come into the country!

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    If it's around 1200g - then I'm in - Now a Big Fat Knard would be even better!

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