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    2014 Surly Pugsley & Moonlander colors

    Looks like they are in early this year. The OD Green Pugs is HAWT!! Xmas In July
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    Thanks for the info!

    Umm... I really like the Champagne!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlowinFlo View Post
    Umm... I really like the Champagne!
    yessir! and that purdy bloo one is hawt as well.
    plus+, plus+ = win:

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    Sweet. I can at least get a black frame to replace my cracked Necro- I was thinking the black frames were gone forever.

    The blue is a little to dark blue for me. I was hoping for the lighter blue like the Karate Monkey.

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    finally they kick the crappy BFL to the curb!

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    @ Raul34: A black fork looks good to nearly every frame colour!

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    Interesting changes to the Moonlander. Looks like BB7 MTN S brakes, Bud and Lou, Lunar pearl color, OD crank and trigger shifters. I wonder if the fork is offset or not.
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    I hoped for a Surly frame with a 170mm hub but it looks like 135mm...
    The fork seems not to be offset.

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    Are those 27tpi Bud and Lou on the Moonlander?
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    You can "see" 120tpi on the champagne one when enlarging the images.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlowinFlo View Post
    I hoped for a Surly frame with a 170mm hub but it looks like 135mm...
    The fork seems not to be offset.
    135mm ... I think they'll be set in their ways for a bit longer, due to cheaper parts availability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    135mm ... [...] due to cheaper parts availability.
    Right, good point!

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    Also looks like the army green (neck romancer) gets 120tpi nates as well.
    Oh noes. I'm going to drink the Kool-Aid.

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    army green? that's more like avocado green... ewww

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    Jaredbe - The picture of the new 'lander shows a non-offset spoke pattern on the front wheel, so it's like the Necro front fork - non-offset.

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    so the new pugs are all of the non-offset fork models?

    off-set forks are a thing of the past now?

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    The number of people who actually used that offset fork and will actually miss it probably number in the low double digits.

    Now if they can just spec some simple, non-hooded vertical dropouts for the back end and life will be good.

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    Looks like they are not spec'ing the MWOD on any of them. I wonder if they will keep that around or discontinue it eventually. I suppose they are slightly different.

    I love the new Moonlander frame color. It would be cool to see a closeup if it still has the flake like the current. I tried doing the "view Full Screen" on facebook but still not close enough.

    Looks like a satin finish.

    2014 Surly Pugsley & Moonlander colors-moonlander-champagne.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by rgurney View Post
    Jaredbe - The picture of the new 'lander shows a non-offset spoke pattern on the front wheel, so it's like the Necro front fork - non-offset.
    I have had an offset pug and a non-offset moonlander and like the non-offset better if only because it seems easier to use things like anything cages and racks. I am a bit disappointed that I never "needed" to switch my front and rear pug wheels when I did have it. I don't think either is a bad way to go but if I had to chose again I would stay with the non-offset.
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    Hrmm, I noticed the green definitely had a non-offset and thought the black was the same. Couldn't tell for sure on the blue.
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    well they all have the brazons on the fork.. either they only drilled the non-offset side of the fork, or they are all non-offset

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    Looks like 2550 msrp for the Moonlander and 2150 msrp for the Spec Ops Pugs.
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    That's really pricey.. Pug was 1600 when I got it in 2010

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    2014 Surly Pugsley & Moonlander colors

    Quote Originally Posted by boogman View Post
    That's really pricey.. Pug was 1600 when I got it in 2010
    Did you get the base Pug or the Spec Ops/Neck Romancer Pug? The Neck Romancer is the pricer Pugsley, which fits the above mentions MRSP.

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    base pug.. but the 2014 ones as shown in the image has marge lites right? So it's more similar to the existing yellow and red pugs..

    maybe the 2014s have better components, since the moonlander also increased in price...

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    Re: 2014 Surly Pugsley & Moonlander colors

    $2550... another reason to just buy a frameset and build for much cheaper.
    ...Be careful what you're looking at because it might be looking back...

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    $2550... another reason to just buy a frameset and build for much cheaper.
    at that price, the on one fatty looks even more attractive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogman View Post
    at that price, the on one fatty looks even more attractive.
    Yeah. I love Surly... but a quick scan of these forums today and all the new fat bike company announcements, bikes, etc... they really need to realize they are going to have to go the opposite way in price to remain competitive. It's not like they went and added some nice hydro brakes here... looks like the cheap Hayes mechanicals? I originally built my moon up with that and they had to go almost immediately. And the OD Crank... I thought that was supposed to be their cheaper 2 piece crank version of the MWOD... but the price is nearly the same. You can get SRAM X5 fat cranksets for $150 and they aren't that much different besides the chainline. I know they are a bigger company, but still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    ... looks like the cheap Hayes mechanicals?
    They are Avid's new BB7 S brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch rides a SS View Post
    They are Avid's new BB7 S brakes.
    My bad... they looked like the Hayes MX5.

    Weird that on Avid's website they list them as a Road brake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    My bad... they looked like the Hayes MX5.

    Weird that on Avid's website they list them as a Road brake.
    Avid BB7 MTN S

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    This is the BB7 Road S BB7 Road S | SRAM

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch rides a SS View Post
    Avid BB7 MTN S

    BB7 MTN S Mechanical Disc Brake | SRAM

    This is the BB7 Road S BB7 Road S | SRAM
    Alright you win... those are a LOT lighter than the previous BB7. Not sure how I missed that when scanning their site.
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    No worries, we're all winners here

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    Note the weight listing for the MTN S is for the caliper only. Weight listed for the standard BB7 is for calipers, pads, mount, and rotor.
    Oh noes. I'm going to drink the Kool-Aid.

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    jcaino - Seems like an advertising gimmick to make the new product appear to be lighter, when in reality, there may only be a savings of a few grams due to the stainless steel bolts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgurney View Post
    jcaino - Seems like an advertising gimmick to make the new product appear to be lighter, when in reality, there may only be a savings of a few grams due to the stainless steel bolts.
    You got it. According to this thread (The definitive Avid BB7 weight thread...) the weight of the current BB7 with pads and mounting hardware is at 200 grams.
    Oh noes. I'm going to drink the Kool-Aid.

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    Re: 2014 Surly Pugsley & Moonlander colors

    Am I the only one that likes the offset forks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    Am I the only one that likes the offset forks?
    Well, I think mine looks really cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    Am I the only one that likes the offset forks?
    I believe it is one of Surly's strongest selling features actually. Last winter I had to walk out of the woods 3 or 4 times due to drivetrain mechanicals that could have been solved easily with a Surly offset fork (assuming that I had installed a SS cog up front). My friend ended up folding a cassette over in the fall o 2012 and was lucky enough to be able to ride out on a limited gear range but it too could had led to him walking out. Not a big deal in the fall but it is irritating when it is 20 something Fahrenheit in the winter and daylight can be at a premium.

    I was looking forward to a Moonlander with an offset fork but if they have done away with them I might as well just get a Fatback at the same MRSP or wait for one of the other numerous fat bikes coming down the pike that will probably run 100mm rims and the big tires. Shrug...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    Am I the only one that likes the offset forks?
    Nope. Love that I have a singlespeed wheel up front in case the **** hits the fan. And sure - it doesn't happen a lot, but when it does..
    Oh noes. I'm going to drink the Kool-Aid.

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    I am confused...I looked at the Pugsley on the 1st July and it showed a red frame as a color choice. I know it did, as I remember thinking that the color I wanted was black and the only way I could get that was with a Pugsley Ops... So I made a decision to go with the red...
    Now today I look at the site and the Pugsley colors are black or blue. Do they change colors often?

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    What you saw the other day were last years colors. They just updated the site with the 2014 colors (which are available now).
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    Yeah I just found it on their site...
    Xmas In July | Blog | Surly Bikes

    I have one of the white ones (never did like that color) ....those series that were recalled because of frame cracks. The site seems to say that they have some last years colors left, so if my bike shop actually orders the frame, I may still be able to get a red one. Otherwise it will be black...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    Am I the only one that likes the offset forks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Team Honeybadger View Post
    I believe it is one of Surly's strongest selling features actually. Last winter I had to walk out of the woods 3 or 4 times due to drivetrain mechanicals that could have been solved easily with a Surly offset fork (assuming that I had installed a SS cog up front). My friend ended up folding a cassette over in the fall o 2012 and was lucky enough to be able to ride out on a limited gear range but it too could had led to him walking out. Not a big deal in the fall but it is irritating when it is 20 something Fahrenheit in the winter and daylight can be at a premium.

    I was looking forward to a Moonlander with an offset fork but if they have done away with them I might as well just get a Fatback at the same MRSP or wait for one of the other numerous fat bikes coming down the pike that will probably run 100mm rims and the big tires. Shrug...
    I thought it was a great feature in a bike you take far afield.

    I don't think a lot of people appreciated it either because they didn't go far from help or they didn't have drivetrain failure.

    Kind of like people don't realize the spare tire on the car is flat until they need it. It's just dead weight until you have a problem.

    When Surly first released their fatbikes they were positioned as speciality exploration & winter racing rigs. Now folks using them for that purpose are in the minority.

    As long as Surly sells the offset forks aftermarket I can live with them not putting them on a complete bike.

    Especially as I have no plans to sell my Pugs and buy another fatbike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    Am I the only one that likes the offset forks?
    That's why I picked up a '13 Moonlander instead of waiting for the '14. Got a 22t bailout on the front.
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    Re: 2014 Surly Pugsley & Moonlander colors

    I thought so. I emailed Surly about it and they said something to the tune of "more people like the symmetrical moonlander fork than the offset Pugsley fork.". I wonder where they are getting their research from.

    Also, I read of another poster emailing them about the same thing and got a completely different story. This time they said something about having to re-design the offset Pugsley fork.

    Whatever it is, I think its a dumb move to take away features and expect people will be happier.

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    Or they are getting ready for the suspension forks that are coming out in the not to distant future.

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    I recall seeing on their website that they are redesigning the pug fork and will have it out later this year. Hopefully it will have the water bottle mounts like the Moonlander fork, it makes it much easier to attach things.

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    2014 Surly Pugsley & Moonlander colors

    Fargo Ti + Moonlander + Necro Pug + Nature Boy

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