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    100mm Clown Shoe rims with Bud Lou tires - which tubes?

    This is a very specific question about using 100 mm Clown Shoe rims with Bud/Lou 4.8" tires in snow - looking for peeps that have been using:

    2.4-2.7 superlight tubes with this setup - do they work perfectly, or did you try those and end up using Surley 3.0-4.8 tubes for some reason?

    I'm a lightweight rider who typically uses maybe 5 psi (pump doesn't register below 10 psi).

    thanks!

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    Not a specific answer but I used a Bontrager 26x2.5-2.8 in Bud on a 90. The Bud on a 90 is only about 3-4mm smaller than on a 100mm rim and I like the Bonty tubes a lot better. Just my personal preference not attacking the q tubes so please no one get upset. (new sig)

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    I've used the Q-tubes super lights on Clown shoe with Bud...no issues.
    Good to know Bonty makes that size as well, as I can pop into the Trek store to snap a few up. I've only been able to get the QT SL online.

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    I was using Q Tubes in my BFL's with zero problems. I installed Bud n Lou and had 2 rides with no problems. My bike was in the back of my very hot (100° outside) enclosed truck shell and the tube in Lou blew out. I replaced it with a Surly tube, but I will probably put a Q Tube back in it. I will also put the Surly tubes back in in the summer.


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    While heavy, the surly toobs are nice and thick. I would be scared using Q-tubes or any other non 4"+ tube in a 5" tire if you are actually going to be riding hard or anywhere there are sticks or brush. I still got a few flats with my thick surly toobs... so, now tubeless = win.
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    My buddy uses q-tubes and to my untrained eye it looks that at low pressure they do not fully fill out the tire. I'm sticking with Surly tubes on my bud-lou-clownshoe bike when it shows up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Just my personal preference not attacking the q tubes so please no one get upset. (new sig)
    Hello, I am q-tube. Tell me why you do like me.

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    tubeless Bud/Lou on Clown Shoe rims?

    how exactly have you done the tubeless set up with Bud/Lou on Clown Shoe rims? thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    While heavy, the surly toobs are nice and thick. I would be scared using Q-tubes or any other non 4"+ tube in a 5" tire if you are actually going to be riding hard or anywhere there are sticks or brush. I still got a few flats with my thick surly toobs... so, now tubeless = win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    so, now tubeless = win.
    +1. Try to do this unless you have stock in inner tubes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rshalit View Post
    how exactly have you done the tubeless set up with Bud/Lou on Clown Shoe rims? thanks!
    Gorilla tape method + Stan's valve and sealant. Done.

    I have been riding this setup for a few months now and have had thorns in them that when I pull them out and spin the wheel they are sealed within seconds.

    I am also running them at about 5-6 psi and ride some pretty rocky/chunky stuff that I know and feel that if I had a tube in I would be fixing a pinch flat for sure. The suppleness of the tubeless Bud/CS is worth the trouble. Do it.

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    stan's

    so.. details -

    -Do you remove the translucent tape that comes from Surley that covers the holes or cover over?

    -How much Gorilla duct tape - cover the entire inside?

    -Do you need to build up several layers of Gorilla or just a single layer?

    -How much Stans are you using - 4 or 5 scoops?

    thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Raul34 View Post
    Gorilla tape method + Stan's valve and sealant. Done.

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    I used 3 strips- one on each side tight to the rim edge, and 1 down the middle after. I used about 6 oz.

    I used camo duct tape for my rim strip, but you can cover the Surly strip or find a color of your choice.

    Search the forum and you'll find some great step by step methods...I got help from a buddy, but it is essentially the same as you'll find on here.

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    I've been running Speicalized 26x2.4-3.0 tubes in my Clownshoes with BFLs and Bud/Lou for past 2 years with no issues. Went with these tubes b/c that is what my LBS had on the shelf, they're probably heaver than Q-tubes but lighter than the Surly tubes.
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    thanks - are you running these tubeless in the snow? stan's usually doesn't work well in cold temps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rshalit View Post
    thanks - are you running these tubeless in the snow? stan's usually doesn't work well in cold temps.
    Stans says good -30

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    Quote Originally Posted by rshalit View Post
    so.. details -
    You'll have to look around in the forum and search like everyone else, lots of tubeless threads or notes... almost daily now

    There is no "one" perfect way to do it and it isn't super easy for a novice. I would highly suggest not doing it if you don't have an air compressor, haven't done a ghetto tubeless setup before, or have low patience. Or keep a punching bag in the garage like I do
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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    You'll have to look around in the forum and search like everyone else, lots of tubeless threads or notes... almost daily now

    There is no "one" perfect way to do it and it isn't super easy for a novice. I would highly suggest not doing it if you don't have an air compressor, haven't done a ghetto tubeless setup before, or have low patience. Or keep a punching bag in the garage like I do
    This. I had hands on support from a buddy that had already done it, so I didn't have MUCH problems on my first two wheels. The second 2 went a lot easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Hello, I am q-tube. Tell me why you do like me.
    cuz you make the ghetto toobless crowd cry..
    plus+, plus+ = win:

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    thanks for all the help - I've been using Stan's for 10 years in my standard mountain wheels, started with a floor pump (remember his early videos?) and immediately purchased an air compressor. I once tried to set my Endomorphs up on my Vicious Cycle 80 mm rims by splitting a 24" presta tube to line the rim, but it didn't work. I'd like to run tubeless on my new Bud/Lou on Clown Shoes 100 mm, but don't want to be changing tires in the big freeze, in the trees, far from civilization - which is why I'd like to see a surefire method for fatties and Stan's, but will probably just stick to tubes.. and probably Surley 3.0-4.8 tubes which are now only coming in 1.1 mm thickness, they're heavy, but I do like reliability and as I said, don't want to be fixing tires in the snow or pushing/carrying my fattie for miles..

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    Quote Originally Posted by rshalit View Post
    ...I'd like to run tubeless on my new Bud/Lou on Clown Shoes 100 mm, but don't want to be changing tires in the big freeze, in the trees, far from civilization - which is why I'd like to see a surefire method for fatties and Stan's, but will probably just stick to tubes.. and probably Surley 3.0-4.8 tubes which are now only coming in 1.1 mm thickness, they're heavy, but I do like reliability and as I said, don't want to be fixing tires in the snow or pushing/carrying my fattie for miles..
    You couldn't get me to run tubes. You won't find many people who ride further or in more extreme conditions than I do. From 2 psi in soft snow conditions to nearly 30 psi on some of my longer road type rides, tubeless is completely trouble free.

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    thanks - are you running these tubeless in the snow? stan's usually doesn't work well in cold temps.
    I ran clear tape in the center all winter last winter so I could watch the sealant and I never noticed that the Stans ever froze even at temps well below zero (I did mix it with Slime).

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    so you are running Bud/Low on Clown Shoe 100 mm's, correct?

    What kind of clear tape, how many layers, did you cover the tape that comes with Clown Shoes and did you cover the entire area and up on top of the bead, and why mix with Slime? thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rshalit View Post
    so you are running Bud/Low on Clown Shoe 100 mm's, correct?

    What kind of clear tape, how many layers, did you cover the tape that comes with Clown Shoes and did you cover the entire area and up on top of the bead, and why mix with Slime? thanks!
    I currently have the Bud on the front and the BFL on the rear because I'm doing some longer rides at this time the Lou wears much quicker but I've ran the Lou for a lot of miles. And yes, on the 100 mm Clownshoe rim.

    I did the clear tape last year so that I could watch the sealant during the winter rides. I've since changed the rear from clear. I used a heavy packing tape but I don't remember how many layers. I really like the Gorilla tape more than the clear tape. I ran the Gorilla tape past the bead, pushed it into the bead seat area and then trimmed the extra on the outside of the rim. I mixed it with Slime because I feel Slime seals larger holes better than Stans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphazz View Post
    You couldn't get me to run tubes. You won't find many people who ride further or in more extreme conditions than I do. From 2 psi in soft snow conditions to nearly 30 psi on some of my longer road type rides, tubeless is completely trouble free.
    it's always nice too read of someones profound accomplishments while denouncing others......read the title again...which toobs is what the OP inquired about why must you regurgitate the same garbage time and again?
    plus+, plus+ = win:

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    is the reason that the tape is going up into the bead sock of the rim because it provides a better seal than having just the tire bead against metal? I'm guessing that the tire beads still have plenty of room to fit into the bead (Gorilla tape is thick stuff)? I've been using various Stan's ZTR rims for so many years with just the yellow rim strip tape, this is new to me. Will it be necessary to build up the center of the rim with tape - I don't understand why some folks are saying to do this. thanks

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    I have always been amazed at how tubes expand to fill an area.

    I would guess that a larger Surly tube would perform better at lower psi, because the tube is able to fill the inside area of the tire easier vs. having to try to get a smaller diameter tube to fill that large of an area.

    In conclusion, less psi in larger tube may result in better ride quality and float properties?

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    Been using 21" x 300 Michilin Desert (Motorcycle) tubes in my Moonlander for 2 years now and just replaced them, only for no idea how perished the old pair were being on the coast all the time.
    These tubes are only a wee bit lighter than Surly Toobs but are way thicker esp around the valve,

    I use them with BFLs no dose not really help the OP but another tube option, my tyres get a beasting on the rocks on the coast, wanna see the state of the side walls!, so reckon the tubes are doing a lot of twisting about,

    Being Schrader allows me to use tyre weld repair foam, ideal on the coast with a tyre covered in wet sand, though not needed yet!
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    I built a 2013 9zero7 190. I used the "Ghetto Tubeless" method on Bud/Lou on Clownshoes and it has worked out fantastic. I ride pretty aggressive trails with a lot of rocks and roots and run about 6 psi and rarely bottom out.(Only on big hits). I am 6' and weigh 205 lbs. I went to Home Depot and got "Sill Foam" which is a closed cell foam on a roll.(Super cheap). First, keep the surly colored rim strip in place on the rim. Cut the sill foam to length around the rim. You will have to cut it lengthwise as well so it fills ONLY the valley in the rim.(Probably 2.5" wide). Wrap the foam strip around the rim so the ends will meet up on the other side of the valve hole. Fix the two ends of the foam with a short piece of tape so the foam strip doesn't move while you put the tube in. Poke a hole in the foam where the valve goes through the rim. I used Q Tubes 24" x 2.5-2.7 presta valve with a REMOVEABLE core. Put a little air in the tube to just barely form it then cut the tube around the outer diameter line with scissors.(There's a line around the tube opposite the valve). Clean the powder off the tube. Take the cut tube and stretch it around the rim. It will be a little difficult since it's a 24" tube going on a 26" rim. You'll have about a 1/2" or more overhanging the rim. Mount your tire, it should be a somewhat tight fit with the foam installed under the tube. I then wet the bead on both sides of the tire with stans then pumped it up. I used my air compressor, but some people have had good luck with a bike pump. I did not try the bike pump method. I removed the valve core after the beads were set and added 4 red cups of Stans. I use a Trial size container of stans for my injector, so I used 4 of those. The nozzle fits great in the valve hole and beats spending the $$ for a real injector. Buy it once and just keep filling it back up with the larger sized bottle of stans. I pumped it up to 15 psi and let it sit overnight, came back in the morning and there was 15 psi there still. I then cut the overhanging rubber off the rim with a razor. Some people leave it on there, but I personally don't care for the look. I live in the Northeast and have ridden in temps down to 8 degrees. I also did a trail ride in 6-8" of fresh powder and it was AWESOME! If you use this method you will not be dissappointed.
    Quote Originally Posted by rshalit View Post
    so.. details -

    -Do you remove the translucent tape that comes from Surley that covers the holes or cover over?

    -How much Gorilla duct tape - cover the entire inside?

    -Do you need to build up several layers of Gorilla or just a single layer?

    -How much Stans are you using - 4 or 5 scoops?

    thanks
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    I very much appreciate the detail you have gone into here. I'm still a recovering weight-weenie, and with you having foam, the 24" tube and 4 scoops of Stan's my Surly tube alone might come out to approximately the same weight as your setup, albeit I'd never have to be concerned with pinch flats using your method, and at 140 lb (although with clothing and pack and winter boots probably I'm up well over 150) I don't concern myself much with pinch flatting though. I should probably just use your method though - thanks!

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    I'm using a split Q tube on Clownshoes with Bud n Lou. No foam, only the split tube. Aired right up with a compressor. And only 2 scoops of Stans. It's still as heavy as using tubes, but with the benefits of tubeless.
    Riding Fat and still just as fast as I never was.

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    Just wondering if using tubes would prevent tire from getting larger. I just put a Bud on the back of my fat bike using a tube. There is just enough room for the tire and any mud/snow that may accumulate. I am thinking about going tubeless but am worried that the tire will stretch and no longer fit. If I keep the tube in there, would that prevent the tire from stretching further?

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