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    RST F1RST Air 24"

    I see that the Scott Scale Jr has the new 24" RST Air fork. Hopefully we can buy this fork by itself soon. Or the Spinner Air, or Suntour Air. Anything please!

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    The SR Suntour XCR Air 24" will be available after the new year!

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    Sounds good Nick, but would that be January or November? Any idea what retailers are the most likely to carry it?

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    January 1, 2012. Not sure about retailer specific but Distributors can order them from us around that time or we can sell consumer direct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmodeus2112 View Post
    I see that the Scott Scale Jr has the new 24" RST Air fork. Hopefully we can buy this fork by itself soon. Or the Spinner Air, or Suntour Air. Anything please!
    Scott's website list the "Fork: RST Capa T24, 24" which isn't an air fork.
    SCOTT Scale JR 24 - Bike Junior's
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    Where are you getting this info?
    I'm tossing back and forth between the Specialized A1 and The Scott Scale - Air fork on the Scott could lean me toward the Scott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMan View Post
    Scott's website list the "Fork: RST Capa T24, 24" which isn't an air fork.
    SCOTT Scale JR 24 - Bike Junior's
    RST

    Where are you getting this info?
    I'm tossing back and forth between the Specialized A1 and The Scott Scale - Air fork on the Scott could lean me toward the Scott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRvancouver13 View Post
    January 1, 2012. Not sure about retailer specific but Distributors can order them from us around that time or we can sell consumer direct.

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    How does consumer direct work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmodeus2112 View Post
    ....ah, that's the $999 bike. Not going that route for a 24" bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMan View Post
    ....ah, that's the $999 bike. Not going that route for a 24" bike
    Me neither, but I want the fork....
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    Quote Originally Posted by KMan View Post
    ....ah, that's the $999 bike. Not going that route for a 24" bike
    Yeah. $999 for a bike with rim brakes, just like the Specialized 24 I bought on CL for $40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squareback View Post
    Yeah. $999 for a bike with rim brakes, just like the Specialized 24 I bought on CL for $40.
    Not quite. It's under 23lbs with 3 chain rings, air fork, XT derailleur, and light wheels. The specialized is about 27lbs. Light wheels would probably run another $300-$400 unless you score something prebuilt. The air fork...still in search of, but will likely be $300+, if ever found. Still cheaper to piece it together yourself for sure. I would definitely buy a used and modify (big fan of that for generic kid situations), but buying new and not having to modify, there aren't many choices out there for a weight weenie 24incher.

    Rim brakes are quite effective, and have been used for decades with no issues unless you get it wet, but it dries quickly. If you're looking to keep weight down, and costs, rim is more effective than disc in that regard. Disc is 3x heavier at least, for the whole brake system. Top of the line v-brakes are cheaper than top of the line discs, for a cost comparison. I wouldn't hesitate to use rim for my kids, because I'm not going to take them into the mud. Cleaning my own bike, and all the laundry surrounding it and my riding gear, is a PITA already! Riding in the rain, they should do cautiously anyway, but discs will howl like mad in that situation, so it's a wash.

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    SR Suntour can sell consumer direct if your local dealer is unable to get the fork you are after. We do have a sizeable distribution chain here in the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAmHolland View Post
    Not quite. It's under 23lbs with 3 chain rings, air fork, XT derailleur, and light wheels. The specialized is about 27lbs. Light wheels would probably run another $300-$400 unless you score something prebuilt. The air fork...still in search of, but will likely be $300+, if ever found. Still cheaper to piece it together yourself for sure. I would definitely buy a used and modify (big fan of that for generic kid situations), but buying new and not having to modify, there aren't many choices out there for a weight weenie 24incher.

    Rim brakes are quite effective, and have been used for decades with no issues unless you get it wet, but it dries quickly. If you're looking to keep weight down, and costs, rim is more effective than disc in that regard. Disc is 3x heavier at least, for the whole brake system. Top of the line v-brakes are cheaper than top of the line discs, for a cost comparison. I wouldn't hesitate to use rim for my kids, because I'm not going to take them into the mud. Cleaning my own bike, and all the laundry surrounding it and my riding gear, is a PITA already! Riding in the rain, they should do cautiously anyway, but discs will howl like mad in that situation, so it's a wash.

    I agree, the bike I'm building will be about $600-700 and a hell of a lot better speced than the Scott.
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    I just received my new pricing for 2012. The XCR 24 Air will be $229.99.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squareback View Post
    Yeah. $999 for a bike with rim brakes, just like the Specialized 24 I bought on CL for $40.
    I KNOW! Right?!? People spending 3k on 29's too. Me, I'm waiting to get one of these used off of CL. 29er with discs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRvancouver13 View Post
    I just received my new pricing for 2012. The XCR 24 Air will be $229.99.

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    Thanks Nick, I'll start doing searches come Jan. 1st. Not cheap, but it'll be handed down at least once...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRvancouver13 View Post
    I just received my new pricing for 2012. The XCR 24 Air will be $229.99.

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    Nice price, a bit heavy though.

    Is the A2C correct on your web page? 481mm is taller than a 100mm 26" fork. Your XCT Jr is 416mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAmHolland View Post
    Nice price, a bit heavy though.

    Is the A2C correct on your web page? 481mm is taller than a 100mm 26" fork. Your XCT Jr is 416mm.
    Yeah, I was hoping it would be in the 1750's or so. Looking forward to something with low stiction and air tune-ability, hopefully this delivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squareback View Post
    Yeah. $999 for a bike with rim brakes, just like the Specialized 24 I bought on CL for $40.
    Not even close. Those wheels on the Scale RC are way lighter than any other 24" wheels you'll find. These would also be the wheels you want to transfer over to a 26 XS build.
    The rim brakes on that bike are excellent, I was very suprised how well they worked even winter riding in the snow & there very light. Don't forget your going to get a descent buck for a bike like that when you sell it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xc71 View Post
    Not even close. Those wheels on the Scale RC are way lighter than any other 24" wheels you'll find. These would also be the wheels you want to transfer over to a 26 XS build.
    The rim brakes on that bike are excellent, I was very suprised how well they worked even winter riding in the snow & there very light. Don't forget your going to get a descent buck for a bike like that when you sell it.
    Actually incorrect, to make a 24wheeled XS26er you want disc hub because the rim brakes won't line up
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Actually incorrect, to make a 24wheeled XS26er you want disc hub because the rim brakes won't line up
    Nope, you just need adaptors like on this one.This is a 26" fork, I may just take the entire front end off this 24" bike a put it on a 26" XS when the time comes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IAmHolland View Post
    Nice price, a bit heavy though.

    Is the A2C correct on your web page? 481mm is taller than a 100mm 26" fork. Your XCT Jr is 416mm.
    Hopefully it is 418mm. If it is 481 I wouldn't even consider it as most 80mm 26" forks are around 455.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xc71 View Post
    Nope, you just need adaptors like on this one.
    Where'd you get those adapters? When I was looking, I didn't find any other than a custom bracket you have to make or have made. I'm going with discs, because it's an off the shelf solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAmHolland View Post
    Where'd you get those adapters? When I was looking, I didn't find any other than a custom bracket you have to make or have made. I'm going with discs, because it's an off the shelf solution.
    Most are just home made, its not to difficult to make them. I have a friend with a CNC machine, so he made this one for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xc71 View Post
    Most are just home made, its not to difficult to make them. I have a friend with a CNC machine, so he made this one for me.
    Do you have a cad file or drawing that would be kind enough to share?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmodeus2112 View Post
    Do you have a cad file or drawing that would be kind enough to share?
    Sorry, I don't have that stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xc71 View Post
    Nope, you just need adaptors like on this one.This is a 26" fork, I may just take the entire front end off this 24" bike a put it on a 26" XS when the time comes.
    See for most of us that don't have friends that can machine something, it's cheaper to go disks.
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    I'll draw something up and see what the machine shop we work with would charge to make it. Probably cost as much as the fork itself though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    See for most of us that don't have friends that can machine something, it's cheaper to go disks.
    Two Tone you don't need a CNC machine to make these. Could probably start with this & minor mods.Xtracycle 26" to 700c Brake Post Conversion Adapter | | Bike Trailer Shop
    A couple of home made ones in here.Custom brake adaptor for V-brakes
    As you know kids bikes are tanks, so just a way to try and keep the weight down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmodeus2112 View Post
    I'll draw something up and see what the machine shop we work with would charge to make it. Probably cost as much as the fork itself though...
    Forgot about this. Should help you get started.
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    Another alternative over a big arch is a post adapter. click here

    IIRC, these are for 650b rims on 26" forks. I've been thinking of running these inverted from the pic to run 24" on a 26" fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texacajun View Post
    Another alternative over a big arch is a post adapter. click here

    IIRC, these are for 650b rims on 26" forks. I've been thinking of running these inverted from the pic to run 24" on a 26" fork.
    Give it a shot and let us know how it works out.

    I used the Sinz version made for bmx bikes.
    http://www.sinz-racing.com/product/SBPE-01.html

    I had to invert them and modify a bit for 24" wheels on a 26" wheel frame. It turned out ok but the adapters only provide 16mm of positioning, luckily I had some old rockhopper v-brakes with enough adjustment to make up the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texacajun View Post
    Another alternative over a big arch is a post adapter. click here

    IIRC, these are for 650b rims on 26" forks. I've been thinking of running these inverted from the pic to run 24" on a 26" fork.
    I just ordered a pair, fingers crossed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texacajun View Post
    Another alternative over a big arch is a post adapter. click here

    IIRC, these are for 650b rims on 26" forks. I've been thinking of running these inverted from the pic to run 24" on a 26" fork.
    A design like this certainly will be cheaper to have machined.

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    Hello All,
    I have our axle to crown measurement to be 415mm for the XCR 24" Air. Hope this clears things up.

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    Thanks for all the info Nick. I really appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmodeus2112 View Post
    I have not seen them for sale in US, did you?

    Already got the regular Spark 24. Upgraded the rear shock, will wait for the fork.. Would have been easier to find the Spark RC, or Scale RC, better wheelset and all, but I did not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    I agree, the bike I'm building will be about $600-700 and a hell of a lot better speced than the Scott.
    Post the build list.

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    2008 Specialized Rockhopper 13 inch frame
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    Novatec light hubs laced to Aeroheat rims. (I'll try to get a weight, don't have a good scale)
    Tires undecided
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    2008 Specialized Rockhopper 13 inch frame
    Manitou Skareb fork
    bb7 brakes
    XT drive train 2x9 ( if I upgrade my bike, could end up X9 2x10)
    Novatec light hubs laced to Aeroheat rims. (I'll try to get a weight, don't have a good scale)
    Tires undecided
    Shortened Iso Flow cranks
    Truvati 40mm stem
    Handlebars still undicided
    Not sure how you fit that in $600.

    Of course, if I was counting parts that I moved over from bike to bike, some of my bikes are for free... That's what I tell my wife..

    Ordered Schwalbe Mow Joe 24's..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Not sure how you fit that in $600.

    Of course, if I was counting parts that I moved over from bike to bike, some of my bikes are for free... That's what I tell my wife..

    Ordered Schwalbe Mow Joe 24's..
    I work from home so I can Ebay up on my other PC. I've been lucky to find under valued items on buy it nows.
    2 examples, the full BB7 set was only $60, normally auctions go much higher. Actually same guy the XT drive train was $60, since same seller saved on shipping
    The frame and fork were $175 buy it now, saw a frame alone auction up to $165 4 weeks later.

    And it will most likely end up closer to the $700 side of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IAmHolland View Post
    Where'd you get those adapters? When I was looking, I didn't find any other than a custom bracket you have to make or have made. I'm going with discs, because it's an off the shelf solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SRvancouver13 View Post
    The SR Suntour XCR Air 24" will be available after the new year!

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    It's the new year! Hopefully I can find one of these soon... Almost pulled the trigger and built up some 24" disc hubbed wheels and went 26" fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmodeus2112 View Post
    Hopefully I can find one of these soon...
    SR Suntour said they can do consumer direct @ $230 after the new year. Have you looked into that? Do they charge shipping and tax? Yeah, I know I could ask them, but I figured you did already and have that information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAmHolland View Post
    SR Suntour said they can do consumer direct @ $230 after the new year. Have you looked into that? Do they charge shipping and tax? Yeah, I know I could ask them, but I figured you did already and have that information.
    Haven't asked yet, fixin' to.
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    I'm a little confused with the Suntour fork. On their website it states that it has a coil spring but that the system is air?

    What does this mean? Is it a type, or is it like the fork I have on my mountain bike that has a steel spring in one leg and an air spring in the other leg for tune-ability?

    Also I note that the page states 165mm travel! Whereas below that it then states 65mm. I guess the spring statement may be a typo along with the 165mm. SR Suntour needs to proof read their webpages prior to publishing. It doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the product...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kerryn View Post
    I'm a little confused with the Suntour fork. On their website it states that it has a coil spring but that the system is air?

    What does this mean? Is it a type, or is it like the fork I have on my mountain bike that has a steel spring in one leg and an air spring in the other leg for tune-ability?

    Also I note that the page states 165mm travel! Whereas below that it then states 65mm. I guess the spring statement may be a typo along with the 165mm. SR Suntour needs to proof read their webpages prior to publishing. It doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the product...
    It's a typo, if you expand the spec is shows 65mm, plus air spring in right side, negative spring in left. Also check out page 71 of the catalog. 1860g though, wish it was lighter.

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    The RST First24 is only 1600g.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmodeus2112 View Post
    The RST First24 is only 1600g.
    And where do I buy one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    And where do I buy one?
    Wish I knew. Taiwan I think...
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