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    Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)

    A couple of months ago, I posted a question on this forum about trying to find a 16" wheeled bike for my at the time 3 year old daughter, that had a free-wheel and hand brakes. I thought I researched everything, but someone on that post recommended me to look at the Spawn Cycles Banshee (2012 Spawn Cycles Banshee 16" Bike - Spawn Cycles - The World's Best Kids' Bikes!). It was everything that I wanted spec wise (aluminum frame, free-wheel, v-brakes and lightweight), and delivered it was less than $400.

    I had originally bought a Specialized Hotrock 16" for her a year before, and even though she was progressing fast with the bike, it was limiting her true potential. So I bought the only type of brakes that fit on it (U-brakes), and they were terrible even though I adjusted them as intended. So I had a bike that weighed almost 23 pounds, had crappy brakes, still had the crutch coaster brakes and had too big of gearing for her and an inefficient drivetrain. She weighs 37 pounds, so that is like my 200 pound self pedaling a 124 pound bike. And I now had spent around $300 for this.

    Now with the Banshee, it weighs around 16 pounds, an almost one third reduction in weight, and a lower gearing, she cranks up hills that she had to walk before. The bike has decent components on it, and I don't see anything that would be considered lightweight and after many crashes, it is proven to be durable. The only change that I would make is changing out the tires, as they seem to be more suited for pavement than dirt. The drivetrain is efficient (meaning that if I spin up the wheel and then let go of the crank, the rear Spesh wheel stops spinning in 5 wheel revs, where the Banshee spins for at least 10 times longer), and it is amazing the night and day difference between her climbing ability. It took her several rides to get past the involuntary response for her to pedal backwards when she is scared, but she is really coming to her own now with the v-brakes. The brakes are plenty strong, and I don't see any reason why kids should be ever using coaster brakes.

    But now with a good 50 miles and 20 rides on the Banshee, she went from crying when I said we weren't going to take her Specialized bike to our Moab trip, to now telling me that I can sell it now, because she doesn't like the Specialized bike anymore.

    I know a lot of people are doing a bunch of mods to make Hotrocks a lot nicer, and spending much more than this bike costs. I was going to go down that street, but I'm glad I found this. And another part I like is that this isn't done by some huge company like most kids bikes are, but a small company based out of Canada. Designed and built by a dad who got tired of his son riding crappy bikes, kind of like the rest of us.

    If anyone is interested, here is her at the Trailside Bike Park in Park City, UT, I wish I could have muted out me, so please turn some loud music up instead. She just turned 4 a couple of weeks ago, and I look forward to kicking my butt in a few years:

    Addz in the Trailside Bike Park - YouTube


    PM me if you still think Specialized is king, and you are interested in a white Specialized Hotrock 16" with front and rear hand brakes.
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    I'm having a hard enough time justifying $200 for a used Hardrock 20" for my son about to turn 6, no way I would have paid $350 for a 16" bike 2 years ago, you sir are a baller, props to you
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    I'm also lucky enough to have a 1.5 year old son, so now it comes down to $200 per kid for the bike. Everybody's situation is different, and if I can ride with my daughter all the way to the park, instead of having to get off my bike and push her up the hills, that is priceless to me. And to see how excited she is when she gets to the top of a hill that she never climbed before, that is priceless too. We probably ride 6 days a week, so price per ride is pretty cheap in the long run. And maybe I am a baller, as the after-market rear shock on my Niner WFO cost more than her complete bike.

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    The vid was cool. You sound like every other dad following their kid, no worries. A baller straps the strider bike to the backpack before running course... you sir are a baller. Careful, or the smaller one will be hucking that bike his sis is on.
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    Thanks Veelz. My son was riding the pump track before this on his Strider and was tearing it up. But I don't think he is quite ready for the flow track, especially with the cheezy plastic small diameter wheels, because there is no way he could get up the front side of the tabletops. Having the GoPro on my helmet really makes the tabletops look small, but you can see how it is jerking the front end of my bike around, even with a 29" wheel.

    You should see us when we ride singletrack around our house. My son will be on the steerer tube mounted iBert seat, my daughter in a trailer bike, and then their two bikes strapped to my pack on the uphills, but then all is good when we get to the top and they can ride down. But nothing like adding 130 pounds of weight to make the local hills harder.

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    Just a little resistance training. Too cool!

    On the Banshee, we don't have one, but I sure wish they were around a few years ago when I dropped $300 on a Pitboss. Pitboss is a great bike expect the rear handed brake leaves something to be desired.


    I've been to the UK and the majority of the younger kids bikes their have hand brakes and not coaster brakes. We got to use a 16" big box store brand that the inlaws had picked up for about $30 used. It had plasticy hand brakes but they were easy enough for my 4 year old to use and the bike came in under 20#.

    Now my youngest is more than ready to move from a balance bike to a pedal bike. However he has low muscle tone and can't figure out the coaster brake on the hotrock. I am working on getting the pitboss ready for him. The brake it came with he didn't have the strength for, but I got an Avid 7 lever and new brake and now he has some control of the braking. His cycling and CONFIDENCE has taken off now that he can stop a bit. Next up brazed on bosses on the front fork for a V-brake.

    Really it shouldn't be so hard to get a decent kids bike (and it's not on the other side of the pond). Glad to see one company has stepped up.

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    Do you have any idea how much the Pitboss weighs? That was the bike that I was about ready to buy before I found the Banshee. But the deal killer was it having no front brake and no bosses for Vs. I remember when I installed Vs from cantis back 20 years ago, and the enormous difference in power, probably close to the Vs to hydro disks that I have now. Why it took engineers so long to develop Vs is unknown to me.

    The only argument that I have seen for the benefits of coaster brakes is that kids don't have enough hand strength to handle big downhills. My daughter is strong, but no freak of nature, and I am always asking her on big downhills if her hands hurt afterwards or if she was braking as hard as she could. And both answers are always no. So maybe that is true when you have crappy U-brakes or cantis, but with Vs, I'm pretty sure most average kids can do it. So someone please shed some light on why companies that know 10,000x more than I do about bikes (like Specialized), would put coasters on kids bikes. Is it cost savings? It definitely isn't efficiency or weight savings I would assume, and if coaster brakes are so great, why not have them on adult bikes.

    And my parting thought. Regarding some thinking these bikes are expensive. I paid $260 for my Specialized Hotrock 16" with tax (couldn't find anything used) and about $40 for the brakes including shipping. So for $300, I got what I described above. So with the Banshee, I paid $400, and lost 6 pounds of bike. Maybe everyone on this forum aren't the hard core bikers on the various other forums on MTBR, but I think most would pay $100 to lose 6 pounds on their bikes. I've seen some people pay $200 for titanium bolt replacement kits, and that may only take 100 grams off the total weight.

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    The Pitboss weighs between 15 and 15.5#. I changed out the seat from a hard plastic bmx seat to a padded bmx fmf.

    The whole kids don't have the strength for hand brakes argument is nonsense in my opinion. The only problem is not having a large selection of powerful brake levers for little hands. I do also have a Islabike Beinn 20 that the grandparents brought over from UK last year in a suitcase during their visit. When I tried out my youngest on the Islabike (which is too big for him so I held onto him) and said "try the brakes" he stopped almost instantly. We were both surprised as before whenever I asked him to stop the best he ever did on the Pitboss was a slight slow down. This is when I knew that I needed to work on redoing the brakes on the Pitboss. The avid 7 is much better but it's still not as good as the Islabike brakes. When I was biking with my eldest who is 7 on the Islabike last week he was going down some steep hills in complete control.

    I don't know why the American bike manufacturers can't figure out what the UK ones already have. I do occasionally see front and rear V-brakes on older American 16" bikes like the Haro. I am just guessing here but I wonder if it has anything to do with worries of liability and kids endoing on front hand brakes. When I used to be into babywearing there was a few UK manufacturers who wouldn't sell to North America because we were to litigious.

    Have you seen the schwinn micro mesa? Front and rear V-brakes and a coaster brake. I wonder how much it would weigh after changing out the rear wheel and if the brakes work well.

    I am glad I didn't spend too much on the hotrock. Got it for $40 of CL. I had an older aluminum one and once I changed out the seat it was in the #16 pound range. However the geometry was too upright and didn't suit my child. Glad to have passed that bike on.

    What gets me is the American big box store bikes that are cheap and heavy. An equivalent bike in the UK and similar to the one we used when we were over there Apollo Urchin 16. My child's riding was much better on that than the lightweight brand name coaster brake bike I had back home at the time. I would have brought that bike home too if I had space in my suitcase.
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    Well your review convinced me to get a Banshee for my 3.5 year old. I put some lower rise bars and fatter tires and off she went. So far so good!
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    I wish I could have gotten my daughter the pink bike too, but thought it would be easier to for her to rock the blue, than my younger son in two years with the pink. But I did order her some pink Jagwire brake cables off of Ebay, so it will be more girled out.

    Which tires are those? Kenda K50s? And I like your idea of the handle bar. Send a video link on here if you get a chance. My daughter is getting better everyday, but in 2-3 months riding season will be over, and then it will be time for skis.

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    I have another coming behind her so it was easy to pick pink. The tires are from Tarty bikes in the UK. Quick and cheap shipping. They are 16" trials tires. 2.4. They should work great in the soft stuff. We will find out tomorrow

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    Anybody got a picture of the green? It really sucks that you can't see the actual different pain colors on their website.

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    nice pinkbike! Tires look mega burly, what size are they?
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    They are 16 x 2.4. Tight fit but no rubbing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devojrx7 View Post
    Anybody got a picture of the green? It really sucks that you can't see the actual different pain colors on their website.
    We liked the Banshee so much, we got a Tengu for my son too. Still trying to get him to understand that he can now brake with his hands, and not his feet. But with him having real rubber tires with air, sure makes for a safer ride, as those lightweight foam / plastic wheels from the Strider are cr@p.

    Anyway, I assume this would be the same green used for the other bikes, and the green is a tad bit darker in real life than the picture shows.
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    Thanks for the pic. I actually contacted Spawn and Max said that they are updating their site and will have a new site soon that will have all the pics. He sent me a link to a pic of the 14" bike in green here.

    Spawn Cycles Blog » The Green Gremlin

    He also found a slightly cheaper place to get the 2.4 tires Adam has on his girls bike. It came out to just under 60 euros shipped. The place Adam got them was out of stock.

    Municycle.com - Unicycle.com Germany*-*16 x 2.4 Inch (64-305) Monty Trials Tire

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    I am looking to better the gearing on the Banshee for my little girl. Currently I have replaced the 28t chainring with a 22t and when I went to change the freewheel to something bigger I learned a lot about BMX stuff that I didnt know. Namely that they have Metric thread freewheels up to 15t and then they move to larger English threads for 16t and up. Typically the Metric are on flip flop hubs but the hub on the Banshee only has the Metric. She is wanting to follow me on some easy grades but she needs more gear.

    So I found a cheap flip flop hub that I will use on the rear to relace the wheel. I want to bling it up a little while its apart with some pink spoke nipples, but the Spawn site does not list the spoke size. Anyone have an idea?

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    Send them an email, they got back to me within hours of mine. Make sure to post pics when you get it done. Link to hub you are using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by devojrx7 View Post
    He also found a slightly cheaper place to get the 2.4 tires Adam has on his girls bike. It came out to just under 60 euros shipped. [/url]
    700g per tire!!!, Spawn talks about the advantage of a lightweight bike and those tires add 800g of extra rotating weight (compared to Schwalbe Mow Joe's).
    That's not really rewarding Span's efforts or am I missing something?
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    Did I miss where Mow Joe's are made in 16 x 2.4? They are definitely not light but with the sand around here I have found no better alternative. Everything else just sinks.

    I was a little hesitant too since my 26 x 2.4 tires weigh the same.
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    You can get the Mad Mike's in 16x2.125 @ 540g.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devojrx7 View Post
    You can get the Mad Mike's in 16x2.125 @ 540g.
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    I'm not sure what the difference is between the Mad Mike's and the Kenda K50s, but they look like the exact same tire, and can be found for cheap on Amazon:

    Kenda Comp III Style Wire Bead Bicycle Tire, Blackwall, 16-Inch x 2.125-Inch: Amazon.com: Sports & Outdoors

    And they look like a nice compromise to riding on both dirt and street. And those 2.4s look huge, but after doing lots of snow rides last year, float is very good. But still can't understand why those 16x2.4s weigh half of my 26x4.9s. Seems like they should be way lighter.

    For other people in my position that bought a neutral color frame for the future younger brother / sister, I got some Jagwire brake housings in pink on Ebay for $11.45 shipped, that even comes with the actual stranded wire brake cables. There were lots of color options too. My daughter loves it, and will put the original black ones back on when my son is old enough to ride it. Now, I'll get some pink grips, and call it good. It is amazing how such a simple upgrade has her so excited about her bike.

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    Looks the same to me, and about $5 cheaper, damn. I wonder what they weigh? I couldn't find it during a short search of the intraweb.

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    2.125 vs 2.4Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)-imageuploadedbytapatalk1343790078.146134.jpg

    Pretty big diff

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    I'm going to run the 2.4's for sure when they get here, he has been having trouble riding the rocky trails around here and I think those will help a lot. They aren't going to make a 16lb bike a 30lb bike, and I seriously doubt that he will be achieving speeds that will make the extra rotational mass a significant hinderance any time in the near future.
    Thanks for the pic

    I'm either going to do orange and green or a joke themed purple and green like this bike. He is really into batman now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devojrx7 View Post
    Looks the same to me, and about $5 cheaper, damn. I wonder what they weigh? I couldn't find it during a short search of the intraweb.
    One of the other websites that I was looking at said the K50s were 520g, but I can't seem to find that now. But the 20x2.125s are 640 grams, so 520g sounds about right.

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    I have a blue Banshee on its way to me right now. Thanks for the great write up here. Looking forward to doing a side by side comparison with my son's current 16" hotrock. I will post up my findings ;-) Also picked up some nubbier tires to go ripping around on the mountain bike trails. My son is so excited to get a bike with hand brakes like dad's.

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    I got all the new parts for my daughter's bike a couple days ago, and I changed out the Hotrock 16" tires for the Kenda K50s. The Kendas feel about the same weight, but their casing doesn't feel quite as thick, so not sure how that will be with pinch flats, because I am running the tires at a low PSI to give a little cushion when she hits the rocks. On her first ride, she rarely skid, and is way more confident in her turns on loose dirt / sand.

    I changed out the 28T chainring with a 22T chainring from Amazon that I got for $9. I had to take out a link of the chain, and had to move the wheel back further in the dropouts, which also made me have to move the rear v-brake pads back too. Pretty easy change, that took about 15 minutes including removing the crank, etc. Another good thing about the smaller gear is that it limits her speed, which for now is good, as she is getting to the point that she wants to race me.

    And I got some new pink grips. Here is the bike now (also with the pink brake housing and a softer seat more ergo Serfas seat we had on her trailer bike).

    Also, here is another small bike video of her riding at the local skate park. Doesn't look like much, but there is a 4 foot drop if she goes off the top. And don't worry, we did it 5 or so times with me in the catch position before filming this.

    Addz in the Skate Park - YouTube
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    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    I got all the new parts for my daughter's bike a couple days ago, and I changed out the Hotrock 16" tires for the Kenda K50s. The Kendas feel about the same weight, but their casing doesn't feel quite as thick, so not sure how that will be with pinch flats, because I am running the tires at a low PSI to give a little cushion when she hits the rocks. On her first ride, she rarely skid, and is way more confident in her turns on loose dirt / sand.

    I changed out the 28T chainring with a 22T chainring from Amazon that I got for $9. I had to take out a link of the chain, and had to move the wheel back further in the dropouts, which also made me have to move the rear v-brake pads back too. Pretty easy change, that took about 15 minutes including removing the crank, etc. Another good thing about the smaller gear is that it limits her speed, which for now is good, as she is getting to the point that she wants to race me.

    And I got some new pink grips. Here is the bike now (also with the pink brake housing and a softer seat more ergo Serfas seat we had on her trailer bike).

    Also, here is another small bike video of her riding at the local skate park. Doesn't look like much, but there is a 4 foot drop if she goes off the top. And don't worry, we did it 5 or so times with me in the catch position before filming this.

    Addz in the Skate Park - YouTube
    Great looking bike Seeing all these is making me more excited for my son's new banshee to arrive ;-)

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    My daughter is still on her Strider, but soon will need one of these... $350.00 is a bit more than I could afford though. If any of your kids grow out of theirs in the next year or so... Let me know. Would love to find one used for my little shredder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    A couple of months ago, I posted a question on this forum about trying to find a 16" wheeled bike for my at the time 3 year old daughter, that had a free-wheel and hand brakes. I thought I researched everything, but someone on that post recommended me to look at the Spawn Cycles Banshee (2012 Spawn Cycles Banshee 16" Bike - Spawn Cycles - The World's Best Kids' Bikes!). It was everything that I wanted spec wise (aluminum frame, free-wheel, v-brakes and lightweight), and delivered it was less than $400.

    I had originally bought a Specialized Hotrock 16" for her a year before, and even though she was progressing fast with the bike, it was limiting her true potential. So I bought the only type of brakes that fit on it (U-brakes), and they were terrible even though I adjusted them as intended. So I had a bike that weighed almost 23 pounds, had crappy brakes, still had the crutch coaster brakes and had too big of gearing for her and an inefficient drivetrain. She weighs 37 pounds, so that is like my 200 pound self pedaling a 124 pound bike. And I now had spent around $300 for this.

    Now with the Banshee, it weighs around 16 pounds, an almost one third reduction in weight, and a lower gearing, she cranks up hills that she had to walk before. The bike has decent components on it, and I don't see anything that would be considered lightweight and after many crashes, it is proven to be durable. The only change that I would make is changing out the tires, as they seem to be more suited for pavement than dirt. The drivetrain is efficient (meaning that if I spin up the wheel and then let go of the crank, the rear Spesh wheel stops spinning in 5 wheel revs, where the Banshee spins for at least 10 times longer), and it is amazing the night and day difference between her climbing ability. It took her several rides to get past the involuntary response for her to pedal backwards when she is scared, but she is really coming to her own now with the v-brakes. The brakes are plenty strong, and I don't see any reason why kids should be ever using coaster brakes.

    But now with a good 50 miles and 20 rides on the Banshee, she went from crying when I said we weren't going to take her Specialized bike to our Moab trip, to now telling me that I can sell it now, because she doesn't like the Specialized bike anymore.

    I know a lot of people are doing a bunch of mods to make Hotrocks a lot nicer, and spending much more than this bike costs. I was going to go down that street, but I'm glad I found this. And another part I like is that this isn't done by some huge company like most kids bikes are, but a small company based out of Canada. Designed and built by a dad who got tired of his son riding crappy bikes, kind of like the rest of us.

    If anyone is interested, here is her at the Trailside Bike Park in Park City, UT, I wish I could have muted out me, so please turn some loud music up instead. She just turned 4 a couple of weeks ago, and I look forward to kicking my butt in a few years:

    Addz in the Trailside Bike Park - YouTube


    PM me if you still think Specialized is king, and you are interested in a white Specialized Hotrock 16" with front and rear hand brakes.
    What kind of seat is that you have your lil boy in? looks cool.

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    It's the Ibert seat. It is pretty cool, and we have used it pretty heavily for more than 3 years now (starting with my daughter). We have ridden fairly technical trails, and have only had one wreck. Just got to remember that you are their roll cage, so no taking your hands off the bars if you fall. But it is one great way to get your kids out biking at an early age, and they love being able to talk to you and see you (and shift your gears when you aren't looking), compared to being behind you as most other systems are.

    It is a great system, but I would definitely modify it, because it could be much better.

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    Some one is excited I will make sure to post my comparison notes between the hotrock and this bike soon!
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    First impressions:

    Overall the Spawn Cycles is a very good looking and quality children’s bike. Little details like Decals are applied under the clearcoat instead of stickers, sealed bearings all around, and the fit and finish are very nice.

    1. Low weight – The Banshee came in right at 16lbs which is what is advertised on their site. This makes it one of the lighter 16” kids bikes out there. Surprisingly the Hotrock was only a couple more pounds weighing in at 17-18 in stock form. Not bad either considering lots of other 16” options easily tip the 20lb mark.
    2. “Real” V-Brakes front and rear – This is HUGE if your plans include riding single track. The coaster brake on the hotrock was just unsafe on the dirt hills. The V-brakes are powerful and easy to modulate even for kids with small hands. My son got the hang of the hand brakes in a day and is now working them like a champ. I will give it a bit longer before hitting the trails to make sure he has it under control ;-)
    3. Freewheel – These bikes are so low to the ground that they have issues with hitting pedals on corners. The freewheel will make it easier for him to properly position his pedals when going into corners. Another bennifit I noticed is that there was considerable drag on the Hotrock’s rear wheel, presumably from the coaster brake setup. The rear wheel of the Banshee just keeps spinning and spinning where the Hotrock stops in 3-4 turns. That has to be a good thing.
    4. Cranks – The cranks are a good inch longer on the Banshee. I have already noticed my son powering up some pretty decent hills around the house with his new found leverage. I will be curious to see how that helps him out on the trails. The Hotrocks crank arms are so darn short!

    A note on the cost – New, the Banshee costs about $130 more than a Hotrock 16. Not insignificant but for me it was justified since I was looking at doing modifications to the Hotrock that would have cost at least that much to bring it up to the level the Banshee comes stock. Getting sidepull brakes (not as good as V-brakes), a better crank, and a freewheel would have easily matched the price of the Banshee.

    I will post some notes after our first outing on the trail. If you have any questions let me know J The small family owned Spawn Cycles were an absolute pleasure to deal with!

    Here is a picture of his bike all setup for him!

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    For those of you who live in the US and bought the Spawn Banshee, did you get hit with any customs fees?

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    I'm having a hard enough time justifying $200 for a used Hardrock 20" for my son about to turn 6, no way I would have paid $350 for a 16" bike 2 years ago, you sir are a baller, props to you
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    I had to pay customs fees....when I spoke with Spawn about it they say its a crap shoot...sometimes customer gets charged sometimes they dont...but they have no control over it

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    I did not have to pay any customs. How much is it if you get charged?

    Oh and the bike is great. The 2.4's really make a big difference on the MTB trails he can now just roll over roots and rocks. I keep them aired down pretty low and it makes a pretty good suspension. They look really cool too.

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    I got hit with about $60...bummer, but the bike is still worth it. She is wanting to ride trails everyday and even her 2 year old sister wants to come. We let her come along on her balance bike when we do shorter rides. In the process of teaching her (2 yo) to pedal now....little bit of a struggle as she can balance the bike just fine, but has never pedaled anything so does not quite understand what to do.

    The 3.5 year old has done rides in the 3-4 miles range all single track and I def believe the bike helps. We took some friends older kids out this past weekend on their department store bikes with coaster brakes. It was just the affirmation I needed. Coaster brakes are impossible off road especially since they usually want to put their feet down when they are in trouble...that means no brakes.

    Thanks again Spawn!

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    That sucks regarding the customs. I was lucky enough to not have to pay any customs.

    Our riding definitely slowed down later this summer, as my daughter hit a small rock, lost her balance, and got launched over her handlebars. Landed on her elbow, and hyper-extended it, breaking her humerus right at the socket. She displaced the humerus with the ulna / radius fairly significantly and had to actually have surgery. She was one of three kids in the kids hospital that had the same type of break, so fairly common with their soft bones. We thought regular elbow pads help, but they actually make it worse, giving the arm more of a chance to hyper-extend because the elbow is an inch or so off the ground.

    So needless to say, I just bought her a full face helmet, and body armor (that has a combo elbow/forearm pad). I hope this will help reduce the chances of something like this happening again. We have really good insurance, but it still cost us almost $1500 out of pocket for all of this. With the FF helmet and armor only being $150, it seems like a decent investment.

    But we have started to get out again, and are planning a couple trips to Moab before it gets too cold down there. The bad news is that we awoke to 6" of snow at our house, so our riding season may be ending fast.

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    Awesome thread... I have a 7 month old (my first) fast asleep in his room right now and after a bit in a Burly -esqe trailer this Spring I can't wait to get him on one of these balance bikes and on and on.. Great to see so many great parents out there bringing their kids into a great sport!..

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    I was lucky and had no customs fees but my bike box was destroyed. The USPS must have used an entire roll of priority mail tape to patch the box up. They blamed it on Canada, damn you Terrence and Phillip.
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    My daughter finally decided to graduate from her push bike to her Spawn Gremlin this weekend. Once she decided she could do it, the transition took 10 minutes. Ordering a Banshee soon for her, the gremlin will go to her brother.


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    Oh god dammit I wish I hadn't of seen this thread. My 4 year old son is outgrowing his Hotrock 12 and I was about to get him a Hotrock 16. Game over. Fuuuuuuudge the wife will not be happy lol
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    Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)

    Just an update to our Spawn. I added a 3 spd freewheel to give a better range of gearing and prep her for the next bike. I used an SRAM X7 der and SRAM twist shifter i had laying around. Works great
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    Just ordered a Banshee for my son! So stoked. Like was said earlier, after modding a Hotrock 16 you're basically at the Banshee cost. The longer crank arms is clutch, it was painful watching my son pedal his Hotrock 12 up small hills.

    Are there any other tires to consider aside from Kenda K50's? I noticed some Schwalbes that might be nice but unsure if someone had already done the research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamm3 View Post
    Just an update to our Spawn. I added a 3 spd freewheel to give a better range of gearing and prep her for the next bike. I used an SRAM X7 der and SRAM twist shifter i had laying around. Works great
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    Adamm,

    What a great idea to add some gears. And nice job in making it so pink. I know my daughter would love all those mods, but trying to keep it easy to change back for my son. I have a couple of questions if you have some time.

    Is that the original rear hub on your Banshee?

    Where did you get the 3 speed freewheel? Could you send a link?

    When we ride, depending on the terrain, I am either wishing she had a smaller or taller gear. The 3 speed could be perfect.

    Thanks for any info - BS

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    Oh god dammit I wish I hadn't of seen this thread. My 4 year old son is outgrowing his Hotrock 12 and I was about to get him a Hotrock 16. Game over. Fuuuuuuudge the wife will not be happy lol
    I'm sure your son's growth will be incredible going from the Hotrock 12 to the Banshee. Every ride that my daughter and I do now, she is amazing me by cleaning some part she hasn't been able to do in the past. She still doesn't have the power to get up most bigger hills, but is really learning how to keep momentum for the smaller ones. And it is so much easier to have confidence in going faster when you know you can stop quickly (instead of skid out of control). She is riding downhills that boys twice her age walk their bikes on. The Banshee has been a big reason for her growth in biking, and I just wish I knew about Spawn when I first bought her the Hotrock 12 too.

    Regarding your question about tires. I really like the K50s for our trail conditions (loose and sometimes sandy). She could get by with a less aggressive tread, but she very rarely skids down loose downhills. And I'll trade a little slower for safer anyday.

    And if your wife is like mine, she'll see quickly (after he learns the virtues of hand operated brakes), how much safer they are going downhill. On simple downhills with the Hotrocks, my daughter would lock up her rear brake and it scared the cr@p out of us.

    Best of luck and send some pics / vids when you get it running.

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    BS

    You will need an English thread BMX hub. Almost the same as what comes stock , but stock one has metric thread and will only take 15 tooth max. I rebuilt the wheel with cheap English thread hub from ebay. Then you will need
    Problem Solvers Chain Tensioner with Derailleur Hanger
    http://amzn.com/B006GHF18C
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    Como Bicycle Scooter Sprocket Wheel 3 Speed Freewheel Repair Part
    http://amzn.com/B009PKMAZY
    Plus shifter and der.

    Its easy with the pink for me. I have a 2 year old coming right behind the 4 yo. She is riding a custom 12" hotrock with freewheel and rear vbrakes.

    I agree with everyones statement about the spawn thou. If i would have known i would have started with their balance bike bc it has brakes that the little ones can use and then moved to the bigger ones. As it stands this one will get many years of use by my girls. This bike has made her a great rider.

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    In case it helps anyone, I was having a hard time finding first Schwalbe Mad Mikes in the US in 16x2.125", but then I realized the Kenda K50 is nearly identical, so then I searched for those but was having a hard time finding them in all black (on Amazon they were either white, or gumwall) so then I found them at Niagara Cycle. I posted this mainly because they seem to have a ton of 16" tires to choose from:

    Tires & Tubes - Tires - 16" - Niagara Cycle

    I went with the knobbier K50's to give him traction on dirt and gravel, but for a moment I did ponder buying some slicks for street riding
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamm3 View Post
    BS

    You will need an English thread BMX hub. Almost the same as what comes stock , but stock one has metric thread and will only take 15 tooth max. I rebuilt the wheel with cheap English thread hub from ebay. Then you will need
    Problem Solvers Chain Tensioner with Derailleur Hanger
    Amazon.com: Problem Solvers Chain Tensioner with Derailleur Hanger: Sports & Outdoors
    And
    Como Bicycle Scooter Sprocket Wheel 3 Speed Freewheel Repair Part
    Amazon.com: Como Bicycle Scooter Sprocket Wheel 3 Speed Freewheel Repair Part: Sports & Outdoors
    Plus shifter and der.

    Its easy with the pink for me. I have a 2 year old coming right behind the 4 yo. She is riding a custom 12" hotrock with freewheel and rear vbrakes.

    I agree with everyones statement about the spawn thou. If i would have known i would have started with their balance bike bc it has brakes that the little ones can use and then moved to the bigger ones. As it stands this one will get many years of use by my girls. This bike has made her a great rider.

    Adamm,

    Thanks for the info. The PS Derailleur hanger and 3 spd freewheel seem to make sense. Is this what I am looking for in regards to a hub:

    GT Mohawk BMX 28 Hole Hub Rear SS FW | eBay

    Because if I wanted to keep the same rims, I would want a 28h hub? Were you able to reuse the spokes / nipples on yours?

    Are there any other freewheels that would work? I would love to get a little more spread than the +/- 15% of the Como one.

    Thanks again for any info - BS

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    I need to tag this one... my 3.5yo has a 12" pedal bike from grandma which is a little too big. Just got her on a Burley MyKick balance bike, but I think the Banshee will be just right when she's ready for a new bike. She's small, so maybe xmas or next year... shall see.

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    Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)

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    These are the hubs i used. Hard to tell on the one u linked if it has correct thread. Spokes and nipples transferred over.

    Como Sprocket Wheel Freewheel 3 Speed for Scooter Bicycle
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    2 versions i found

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    Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)

    FMF Powermoto flip flop hub. Link didnt work. I think any flip flop hub will work

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    Adamm, thanks again, and my daughter will soon has some gears. One last question, is that the KMC Z410 chain that you are using? Basically trying to find out if I want a singlespeed chain or a multi speed chain. Yours looks like the pink KMC, but I wanted to make sure.

    Thanks again - BS

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    Just a pink single speed chain..not sure even which one. It works surprisingly well.

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    Wow- great thread! After looking at Hotrocks and Pitboss, I drank the Spawn kool-aide and couldn't be happier. My 5 year old son is a very small guy, just makes it on the seat of his new Banshee. The bike is awesome- light and well made with top shelf components, a huge improvement over the Trek Jett he was riding. I'm eager to try Adamm3's recipe for adding a freewheel and derailleur. Between Ebay and Amazon I think I have the critical pieces covered.

    I do have a question about Grip Shifters and Handle Bar Diameter. So far I've kept the stock Spawn handlebars. I notice a lot of custom bars in this thread. Do Grip Shifters come with shims to fit different handle bar diameters? how does that work? Do I need to worry about this?

    Re: Customs/Duty fees, I live in the states and did not end up having to pay anything extra.

    It is great to have this information resource, thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences.

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    You will need a 25.4mm bar to work with the shifters. That means you will also need a new stem if I remember right. I think the Spawn stuff is 22.2mm (BMX). Nice thing is that the steertube is 1-1/8", so just about any mountain bike stem will work. I would stick in the 50mm-60mm length.

    Stem 25.4 x 60 x 1-1/8 would be ideal

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    My (son's) Banshee came yesterday. I live in PA, ordered it the 20th, so 8 days from western Canada to eastern U.S. is not bad at all. I didn't have to pay customs fees- I should point out that the times I have had to pay customs in the past on Canadian-shipped items were from UPS; Spawn shipped via Canada Post and then USPS.

    Very nice bike. Taking it to the LBS to handle the brakes, and my son is so stoked to ride it! We won't even mess with the 1.8" or whatever street tires on it, I already put the Kenda K50 knobbies on.
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    That is exactly what Spawn told me when i contacted them after i got hit for customs fees. UPS is how mine shipped. I think at the time they were going to stop using them.

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    Yeah, UPS calls it their "customs brokerage fee", which I read online can be circumvented if you call them ahead of time and complain and say something like "I have already cleared the item for import myself" or something.
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    thanks adamm3, 25.4mm is the diameter I couldn't remember. I'm going to rummage through my boxes of old parts and see what bar/stem combos I can find. Appreciate the help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamm3 View Post
    You will need a 25.4mm bar to work with the shifters. That means you will also need a new stem if I remember right. I think the Spawn stuff is 22.2mm (BMX). Nice thing is that the steertube is 1-1/8", so just about any mountain bike stem will work. I would stick in the 50mm-60mm length.

    Stem 25.4 x 60 x 1-1/8 would be ideal
    Speaking of bar and shifter.... is than an indexed or friction shifter you installed, adamm3? If indexed, how did you reconcile the multi-speed indexed shifter with just the 3 gears?

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    adamm3, what SRAM grip shifter did you use? Did you use one for the rear derailleur and it just only works 3 gears? Or can the left/front shifter work for the rear on this type of setup?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    adamm3, what SRAM grip shifter did you use? Did you use one for the rear derailleur and it just only works 3 gears? Or can the left/front shifter work for the rear on this type of setup?
    You getting ready to add gears to your Banshee, Jared? That new 20" geared Spawn bike might fit the bill when it's out... but, then, no fun customizing the one you have.

    I'm likely to be ordering a Banshee for my 4yo to graduate into soon. She's finally about 1.5" up on the seatpost of her Gremlin, and her younger sister is probably going to be ready for it by next year.

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    Yep! He's still 4 but at the point where he can justify a 3 speed with our riding. Plus he is constantly asking about how the gearing on my bike works.

    Trying to see if a Shimano Nexus 3 speed shifter can work... Other than that I dunno
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    I thought I would chime in as I bought my son a banshee as well. I've decided to go with the 2.4 inch innovo tires as the sand and gravel here is too much for smaller tires, as gears, I will wait a bit on those. I did drop the tooth count on the front sprocket to 22' instead of 28 to help my soon get some more uphill power.

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    Forgot to take a before picture, but here is final result

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    Original tire weight

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    New tire weight

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    28 tooth sprocket weight

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    22 tooth sprocket weight

    I also put an xtr chain on the bike because all I had was a nine speed quick link.

    I bought the tires from Unicycle.com - Please Choose Your Country they raped me on shipping, and had nothing else I wanted... Seriously 22 bucks for ground...

    Also max at spawn cycles was awesome to deal with he went out of his way to get my so a green banshee, when all he had in stock was blue

    and finally a video from my son's first track day on the bike in stock form, hope the new tires don't screw up his form.

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    Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)-alaura.jpgBTW that is my 4 year old Alaura chasing Sean on her Banshee. We have done some changes since moving back to Tahoe from Texas. The 3 speed came off as the gearing does not help much in the mountains. We went back with the 24-24 gearing to allow her to climb some of the easier hills. The 3 speed tallest gear was 20 tooth. We also put on the 20" spinner air fork. It has taken a bit to break in but is working better. Will need to build a disc hub for the front as the v brake mounts are meant for 20" wheel.

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    Adamm3 a few posts up I asked about what shifter you used for 3 speed, any input is welcome!
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    Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)

    I used a 9 spd SRAM XO

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    Spawn has just announced that they have a new Banshee coming out in Mid-November. Lower seat and 1 pound less in weight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by evandy View Post
    Spawn has just announced that they have a new Banshee coming out in Mid-November. Lower seat and 1 pound less in weight!
    I am very jealous of it coming with a flip flop hub... but my son enjoys riding his too much to not of had it for the last of the warm weather...

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    Lower seat and a pound less is awesome. My daughter quickly transitioned to her 20" wheeled heavily modified Specialized a week or two after I did the three speed mod to our Banshee, but I don't think it is worth it. It added a decent amount of weight, and the range in gears obtained wasn't enough to justify this. It did help my daughter to understand the basics of shifting, but my recommendation is to keep the Banshee as it is and wait until they get big enough to ride a 20" bike. It sucks, as my 2 year old son is killing it on his Gremlin, and his big problem is he doesn't have a gear low enough for hills, and enough big gear for downhills. I guess another reason why I never have understood singlespeeders.

    I know most kids don't need a conventional 9/10 speed drivetrain at 2-4 years old, but it sure would be nice. Any idea how to fit a conventional 9/10 speed hub into this?

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    Just put in an order for a Bright Blue Banshee (The B bike, apparently). Should arrive just in time for Christmas if they hit their expected shipping date. My oldest is adament that her next bike be a "Skull and Pedal" bike too. She absolutely LOVES her Gremlin.

    Can't wait to see what people think of the new Savage!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    I know most kids don't need a conventional 9/10 speed drivetrain at 2-4 years old, but it sure would be nice. Any idea how to fit a conventional 9/10 speed hub into this?
    Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)-20130920_231746.jpg

    quite a bit of dish required.

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    Well I just bought a Spawn Banshee for my DD. I hope it all works out can admit a little bit scared. I got it for $180 Sight unseen.
    I know I know, really bad Idea.
    But it is done, I had a it picked up out of town. It was seen by someone else, but at 180, they did not have to be terribly picky.

    sounds like I am replacing, either and or both tires, at least 1 set of break pads. I do not even have the thing in the house yet.

    I am not sure if I am wanting to replace the tires with MTB tires right away, or leave her with the slicks for on road (as I am sure she is a full year/2 years away from the trails)

    any suggestions for tires? the commuter/hybrid style? or mtb style?
    anyone know what the original brand is on the breaks/pads?

    Everyone cross their fingers for me. I could not justify a $400-450 ($380 bike for my 4 year old.) and they are quite difficult to find used.
    180 was a LOT easier to justify. Hope it does not cost me more in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northernblades View Post
    Well I just bought a Spawn Banshee for my DD. I hope it all works out can admit a little bit scared. I got it for $180 Sight unseen.
    I know I know, really bad Idea.
    Good luck! $180 is a fantastic price on the bike if it's still in decent shape. If all you have to replace is tires and brake pads, you should be OK.

    My daughter (on a Gremlin still) isn't ready for trails yet. She doesn't have the leg strength or gear inches to be able to handle that yet... As long as the tires aren't worn and dead, I'd recommend living with the ones you've got for a while and see how things go before replacing.

    $480 (bike + US shipping) may seem like a lot... but my DD just had a 12" rental bike on vacation that was nearly the same weight as my rental Moonlander.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    I know most kids don't need a conventional 9/10 speed drivetrain at 2-4 years old, but it sure would be nice. Any idea how to fit a conventional 9/10 speed hub into this?
    What is the frame dropout spacing? You should be able to find an old 7-speed road bike cassette hub in 126mm width. The 7-speed cassett body is 5mm narrower than 8/9/10s, but you can fit 8 of 9 cogs from a 9-speed cogset onto a 7-speed body.

    If you want to stick with freewheels, an old 5-speed suntour "perfect" freewheel can bely rebuilt as a 3-speed (total width around 25mm), might also possibly work as a 4-speed. Suntour cogs would offer much lower gearing choices than the 20t 3-speed scooter FW.

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    Well the bike Came in yesterday. it is now nearly 4 hours into decal removal, sticker gunk removal, cleaning, and greasing.
    And the bike is freaking AWESOME.

    The damage to the pedals was just a crack on the outside loop furthest from the bike (not important and non structural). The break pads were al present and accounted for. and in short no damage to the bike that my kids would not have done in the first week of use.

    Even the rear tire, I figure I will let her road ride for 2-4 weeks, before I buy new tires, "in case" she hits any gravel or dirt. right now they are BALD. but not damaged.

    Now the sad reality......
    She will not be big enough to rid it until at least next summer. pictures to follow
    I am so excided.... and she is excited that it is blue.

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    Sounds like a fantastic bargain

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    I Hope this is acceptable practice here.
    http://sdrv.ms/HggJcP
    is my folder of the bike pictures.
    as well as one picture of my current rig.
    the trail-a-bike is often replaced with a chariot, and the older daughter rides up front instead.

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    Hi, just wanted to post up thanks for this great thread.

    My 2.5yr old boy rides his balance bike at the BMX track, BUT I am ready to get him on a Gremlin.

    Does anybody that reads this thread have a Gremlin for sale in the US?

    Since Spawn is no longer shipping the Gremlin here due to a trademark dispute, I would rather buy used, but am also considering looking for someone in the Calgary area that would be willing to ship me a new one ....PM me with replies, thanks!

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    Good idea to get a Gremlin. I got one for my just turned 3 year old early this year, and I am so glad that I did. He progressed so quickly on it, and pretty much rides a lot of singletrack on his own (just got back from Moab where he rode Agate and Jasper trails in North Klondike and Rusty Spur and the downhill of Lazy at the Brand trails). He is tall, and will next summer be on his sister's Banshee, and I'd sell you mine, but I am going to pass it down to my brother who will use it the summer of 2015. But definitely don't miss out on your son getting the chance to progress, as it is truly priceless. The best of luck in your search.

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    Thanks for the quick reply!

    No worries, I know how it is passing kid's stuff around...He's got a good Kazaam balance bike (real tires/tubes and bearings all around unlike strider) that's already spoken for by my brother in law!

    I am waiting to hear back from an old friend in Calgary who may be willing to go pick up one and ship it down here to me....Just depends on his timing tho, he works out of town a ton in the oil industry...

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    So now is time to post, Anyone selling or plan on selling a used Savage in the next.... 3 years?

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    Haha. I got 2nd dibs. Has to be the 2.0!
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    Quote Originally Posted by onespeedpaul View Post
    I am waiting to hear back from an old friend in Calgary who may be willing to go pick up one and ship it down here to me....Just depends on his timing tho, he works out of town a ton in the oil industry...
    The Gremlin is a fantastic bike. I'm about to pass one down to my younger daughter... That said, Spawn is releasing the Banshee 2.0 this year, and I think they said that it has a "lower standover" than the original. The difference between the Gremlin and the Banshee was only 1.5" to start off with... if your young one is big enough, you MIGHT be able to go straight to the banshee.

    It's a shame that they have that trademark dispute. It'll be nice to hear when they get it resolved (by renaming the bike or whatever).... In the mean time, my Banshee 2.0 is supposed to be shipping in time for Christmas; I'll measure it for posterity when it arrives.

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    This thread is a fantastic resource---thank you!

    Does anyone here have first-hand experience comparing a Banshee to an Islabike Cnoc 16? My daughter rides an Islabike Beinn 20 small, and it is fantastic (we bought it from the Portland, OR Islabike store). Moving to freewheel + light bike + hand brakes revolutionized her riding. Now I want the same transformation for my son, who is currently riding an unmodified Hotrock 16.

    Unfortunately, the U.S. Islabike Cnoc 16 comes with a coaster brake, so if I go that route, I'll either self-import the freewheel version from the UK or buy the U.S. version, rebuild the rear wheel, and add a V-brake using the seat stay clamp-on brake bosses posted in one of the Hotrock 16 mod threads (Brake lever and rear hub upgrades for Hotrock 16.). The cost of Banshee vs cnoc16-with-freewheel-in-U.S. ends up about the same (if only the U.S. Cnoc16 came with freewheel, it would be quite a bit cheaper than the Banshee).
    - U.S. version: Islabikes Cnoc 16 - lightweight first bike for kids age 4+
    - U.K. version: Islabikes Cnoc 16 - lightweight first bike for kids age 4+

    The geometry is quite different between the bikes:
    - Horizontal top tube: Cnoc16 (400mm). Banshee (380mm)
    - Seat tube length: Cnoc16 (228mm). Banshee (190mm)
    - Head tube angle: Cnoc16 (71 degrees). Banshee (72 degrees)

    The Cnoc is reportedly roughly 2 lbs lighter than the Banshee at 13.2 lbs.

    Anyone have first-hand experience with both bikes?

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    It is £30 cheaper in the US!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProjectMayhem View Post
    It is £30 cheaper in the US!
    Yes, but the U.S. model comes with a coaster brake and no rear v-brake bosses (not shown in the picture, but verified with Islabike U.S.). UK wins.

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    That does suck. Though a coaster brake has been brilliant for my 2 year old, I don't think it has a place on a 16 inch bike.

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    Anyone hear anything about when the new Banshees will start shipping? Getting close to the end of the month!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireswamp View Post

    Unfortunately, the U.S. Islabike Cnoc 16 comes with a coaster brake, so if I go that route, I'll either self-import the freewheel version from the UK or buy the U.S. version, rebuild the rear wheel, and add a V-brake using the seat stay clamp-on brake bosses posted in one of the Hotrock 16 mod threads

    The geometry is quite different between the bikes:
    - Horizontal top tube: Cnoc16 (400mm). Banshee (380mm)
    - Seat tube length: Cnoc16 (228mm). Banshee (190mm)
    - Head tube angle: Cnoc16 (71 degrees). Banshee (72 degrees)
    Fireswamp: Did you get the geometry directly from Islabikes? I've been looking around on both the US and UK sites and can't find it listed, even on the owner manual PDFs.

    For what it is worth, the only 16" bike I have found "commonly" available in the US with rear V brake mounts is the Norco Scorpion.

    Scorpion « 16 Inch « Youth « Bikes « Norco Bicycles

    Unfortunately it comes with what I assume is a very low quality and very heavy suspension fork. I'm not sure what's the less of two evils, a coaster brake with heavy drag or a heavy, ineffective suspension fork.

    I have to say with the benefit of hindsight the Spawn Banshee would have been worth every penny over the Hotrock 16 I bought. But I have two boys a year apart so we would have gotten a few good years out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJH View Post
    Fireswamp: Did you get the geometry directly from Islabikes? I've been looking around on both the US and UK sites and can't find it listed, even on the owner manual PDFs.
    Yes, the geometry came from Islabike U.S. in Portland, OR. They are very helpful, and wish they could offer their freewheel + rear-V-brake Cnoc 14s and 16s in the U.S. They cannot due to our antiquated bicycle safety laws.

    FWIW, I gave up on the idea of modding a U.S. Cnoc 16 to add the freewheel + V-brake and ordered a Banshee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireswamp View Post
    Yes, the geometry came from Islabike U.S. in Portland, OR. They are very helpful, and wish they could offer their freewheel + rear-V-brake Cnoc 14s and 16s in the U.S. They cannot due to our antiquated bicycle safety laws.

    FWIW, I gave up on the idea of modding a U.S. Cnoc 16 to add the freewheel + V-brake and ordered a Banshee.
    My wife called him yesterday. Unfortunately I was in the shower so I couldn't tell her to get the horizontal TT measurements of the two 20" models. I'll email him shortly.

    We've already ordered a Cannondale Street 20 for my five and a half year old. I want to put some money into his Hotrock 16 (freehub, V brake adaptors, paint job) and give it to his four and a half year old brother. My wife is now questioning if it's worth the money given how quickly our older son outgrew the Hotrock.

    She feels with what Hotrock 16s are selling for on Ebay we could just go ahead and sell it and get the bike we really want. Of course the only bike that meets our criteria is the Banshee but it has an even shorter TT than the Hotrock and I'm convinced my four year old will be cramped on it before the end of next summer.

    Is Spawn able to export Banshee's into the states without a coaster brake? Looking at the Norco Scorpion image closely online and it appears that it comes with both a coaster brake and a V brake. I just can't see spending more money and having a high friction coaster brake when I already have one here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJH View Post
    ...so I couldn't tell her to get the horizontal TT measurements of the two 20" models. I'll email him shortly.
    The Beinn 20" small has a 440mm horizontal top tube. I don't know about the 20" large version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJH View Post

    Is Spawn able to export Banshee's into the states without a coaster brake? Looking at the Norco Scorpion image closely online and it appears that it comes with both a coaster brake and a V brake. I just can't see spending more money and having a high friction coaster brake when I already have one here.
    I bought my son a banshee in September before they announced the refreshed model, it did not have a coaster brake, I would not have bought it if it did

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