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    I haven't sourced any parts, as of yet... but, that said, I would check with your LBS. They should be able to order whatever you need... The link I posted for niagra cycle above has a full wheel built with a black rim; you could always cut out the hub.

    Regarding efficiency... that's not, honestly, even close to the top of my concerns for my daughter right now. Gear range is MUCH more important right now... who cares how fast she can do something, when the alternative is not to do it at all? She constantly spins out on the flats where we ride, but the minute she tries to go up any moderately steep hills, she's stuck and can't get up. Her legs just don't have the strength yet. If I can give her a gear range that let her climb up the steeper hills like she wants, and not spin out on the flats, I'll jump at the chance. The fact that the IGH lets her shift at a dead stop is a really great bonus, too... no worries about having stopped in high gear and can't get going again.

    Max at Spawn noted that a rear derailer on a banshee sits about 3" off the ground... that sounds like it's just asking to be clipped or destroyed. Especially since she bangs her bike around a lot. She's a kid; that's the name of the game. I'm more than happy to sacrifice the 2% or so efficiency in return for the robustness and gear range.

    Of course, your mileage (and child) may vary. Frankly, if I didn't have 2nd daughter coming behind for the bike, I might not bother, and just wait for her to grow into a 20" bike that's made for rear gears. But with a second coming behind, it's an upgrade that will pay off for quite a while to come.

    Still waiting to hear back from my LBS on what they can source. Worst case, I'll source parts and try my hand at wheel building.

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    Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)



    A few upgrades.


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    Quote Originally Posted by split View Post


    A few upgrades.

    Most upgraded yet! Why no front brake though?

    All I've done to our little one is swap out the front chainring for 22T and the tires for 2.25 comp III style...

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    Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)





    The fork is made for a 20" wheel with disc brakes. I want to find a 16" black rim to build up a disc wheel. And I figured it would be better to start with a powerful rear brake than to give him so much stopping power in the front.

    I found this picture and was inspired:

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    Split, can you tell me more about that fork? Looks like exactly what I want for my daughter's 20" bike. Where you got it, weight, cost?

    And why can't you just reuse the rim that is on there now for the new front wheel? That is what I did when I built a new wheel around the rear flip-flop hub talked about several pages before. Seemed to be decent rims.

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    Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)

    I'm also curious about the fork and handle bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    Split, can you tell me more about that fork? Looks like exactly what I want for my daughter's 20" bike. Where you got it, weight, cost?

    And why can't you just reuse the rim that is on there now for the new front wheel? That is what I did when I built a new wheel around the rear flip-flop hub talked about several pages before. Seemed to be decent rims.
    The fork is an eXotic carbon 20" recumbent/folding/kids fork with disc brakes, got it on ebay for $150. Online shop at carboncycles.cc (CarbonCycles.CC :: Components :: Products :: Forks - Recumbent / Folder / Child Bike :: eXotic Carbon Rigid Fork for 20 Inch Wheel - Disc Only :: CC-F03-20).

    I could re-use the rim, but didn't want him to go without a bike while it was being built. We'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evandy View Post
    Regarding efficiency... that's not, honestly, even close to the top of my concerns for my daughter right now. Gear range is MUCH more important right now... who cares how fast she can do something, when the alternative is not to do it at all? She constantly spins out on the flats where we ride, but the minute she tries to go up any moderately steep hills, she's stuck and can't get up. Her legs just don't have the strength yet. If I can give her a gear range that let her climb up the steeper hills like she wants, and not spin out on the flats, I'll jump at the chance. The fact that the IGH lets her shift at a dead stop is a really great bonus, too... no worries about having stopped in high gear and can't get going again.

    Max at Spawn noted that a rear derailer on a banshee sits about 3" off the ground... that sounds like it's just asking to be clipped or destroyed. Especially since she bangs her bike around a lot. She's a kid; that's the name of the game. I'm more than happy to sacrifice the 2% or so efficiency in return for the robustness and gear range.

    Of course, your mileage (and child) may vary. Frankly, if I didn't have 2nd daughter coming behind for the bike, I might not bother, and just wait for her to grow into a 20" bike that's made for rear gears. But with a second coming behind, it's an upgrade that will pay off for quite a while to come.

    Still waiting to hear back from my LBS on what they can source. Worst case, I'll source parts and try my hand at wheel building.


    Evandy,

    Everyone and their children are definitely different, and I applaud you for taking a different approach. It also depends on where and how you ride. The trails that we ride are usually big climbs and then downhills, with little ups and downs in between. So my 3 year old has enough leg strength to get most of the small ups, but even with the lowest gear in the world, couldn't make the climbs. That is why we use this:

    A New Way to Get Kids Uphill

    This is my daughter when we first starting using it, and I have refined the product and it is simpler and less prone to breaking. My daughter can now ride almost every ride without being towed, and I think a lot of that is from the use of this system when she was younger.

    The other thing that I didn't like with the IGH, was it was even hard for me to shift at times. Maybe it was because mine was used pretty roughly, but it wasn't even easy to shift when I first got it. Hopefully the one you get is better than the Rohloff in that way.

    And what I read was that the Rohloff was 5x more inefficient than a conventional chain/chainring system (99% vs 95%). It's like pedaling in sand. It'll just wear their little legs out that much faster. Again, that is why I like the tow system above, they can pedal when they want to, but they still have to work on steering and balance and braking. And on the uphills, loss of efficiency is like adding weight to the bike.

    Best of luck, and I hope it turns out for the best - BS

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    Quote Originally Posted by trap121 View Post
    I'm also curious about the fork and handle bars.
    Race Face Atlas 1 1/4" riser bar. Matching Race Race Atlas 50 mm stem and Race Face Half Nelson ODI grips.

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    Those are some pretty sweet custom setups!
    I'm dieing over here waiting for "late June" to get here so I can order one for my daughter. I don't really want to preorder one because their communication skills are horrible and I don't really trust that they will have enough bikes when "late June" gets here.

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    Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)

    Here's our gear experiment. 2x1.
    The derailleur is just for tension. The big ring is the stock one in the bash guard spot with a 22t in the original ring position.
    Shifting is done by grown up, manually.
    She's been asking for a faster gear. She spins out the 22t on the flats.
    The cheapo derailleur puts lot of drag on the system. Not sure if it is the bushings instead of bearings in the pulleys or the really over stiff spring in the arm pivot. We'll see how it goes.
    If she otherwise likes it I will try to address the drag.
    The derailleur weights 279g and cost $15. Shimano Tourney TL35.
    I tried using the Alfine two pulley tensioner but the chain line was too far off.
    She turns 4 in two days.



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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_strom View Post
    Here's our gear experiment. 2x1.
    The derailleur is just for tension. The big ring is the stock one in the bash guard spot with a 22t in the original ring position.
    Shifting is done by grown up, manually.
    She's been asking for a faster gear. She spins out the 22t on the flats.
    The cheapo derailleur puts lot of drag on the system. Not sure if it is the bushings instead of bearings in the pulleys or the really over stiff spring in the arm pivot. We'll see how it goes.
    If she otherwise likes it I will try to address the drag.
    The derailleur weights 279g and cost $15. Shimano Tourney TL35.
    I tried using the Alfine two pulley tensioner but the chain line was too far off.
    She turns 4 in two days.
    Nice work! Curious, what BCD is the front crank and where can I get a replacement chainring?

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    64bcd. The trick is that the bolt holes for inner chain rings are smaller diameter since they normally thread directly into the crank spider. On the Spawn the stock chain ring has bigger holes, normal sized for passing the nut. To use a different chainring put the bolts in from the non drive side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_strom View Post
    The cheapo derailleur puts lot of drag on the system. Not sure if it is the bushings instead of bearings in the pulleys or the really over stiff spring in the arm pivot. We'll see how it goes.
    If she otherwise likes it I will try to address the drag.
    The derailleur weights 279g and cost $15. Shimano Tourney TL35.
    I tried using the Alfine two pulley tensioner but the chain line was too far off.
    Oooh I like the dual chainring idea, versus 3 spd in the rear. My goal is to setup my Spawn Furi so my son can ride uphill better on trail days.

    EDIT: hmm... is it possible to remove to top pulley (and sacrifice a bit of chain wrap) to lessen the drag?
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    It is pretty clean. I have found that she is actually slower in the fast gear. She is little and just barely 4 so in the fast gear she looses cadence. She lacks the torque to push the fast gear at the same rate as she can on the easy. It is better for her when she stands to pedal but that is still not a super stable, frequently used technique.

    The single pull could help. I'll have to look into that. For now, since the drag isn't too bad in the easy gear I am going to just leave it there.

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    Here's my first try at fire_storm's idea, on my son's Furi (14" version of Banshee)
    - 22T chainring I had lying around, drilled out to enlarge bolt holes
    - stock chainring bolts and spacers
    - stock chainring in place of bashguard
    - stock chain
    - Shimano SIS der hanger adaptor
    - Axiom No-railleur tensioner

    I'm not happy with the drag that the tensioner introduces, despite my attempts to align it with chainline. It's not much but it's notable. I'll try tweaking it later via taking apart the tensioner to see if I can lesson the spring tension. (EDIT: I drilled new holes in the tensioner for the spring to mount in a looser position, but anything less than stock led to the chain falling off when dropping the bike, etc)

    I'd also like to get some more chainring spacers to add the bashring back in since my son often rides with long pants on. (EDIT: This could also help improve chainline to both chainrings, as the stock position is ideal and the outer ring is off by 5mm - I'd like to shoot for chainline to be right between the two chainrings).

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    Quote Originally Posted by split View Post
    The fork is an eXotic carbon 20" recumbent/folding/kids fork with disc brakes, got it on ebay for $150. Online shop at carboncycles.cc (CarbonCycles.CC :: Components :: Products :: Forks - Recumbent / Folder / Child Bike :: eXotic Carbon Rigid Fork for 20 Inch Wheel - Disc Only :: CC-F03-20).

    I could re-use the rim, but didn't want him to go without a bike while it was being built. We'll see.
    Did you have to use that fork to set up the bike with the race face gear?

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    To get rid of the tensioner drag, you could set it up as a "dinglespeed". Probably best to use 22T and 24T chainrings (or maybe 24t & 28t for more gear range), then make a 2-speed freewheel from an old 5-speed freewheel. Set it up with 2 rear cogs also with a 2T (or 4t if using 24/28) difference and align their chainline with the crank chainrings. This gives you two separate chainlines and gears that both use the same length chain. You could get rid of the tensioner but you will need to loosen the rear wheel each time in order to change gears. Might work OK to leave the tensioner in and setup the chain with only just enough slack to change gears, then have the tensioner help keep it from skipping, wouldnt need as much assistance from the tensioner if chain length were constant.
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    Here is a similar 3x drivetrain I implemented with a triple crank using 30t, 34t and 38t chainrings and a 16, 20, 24t freewheel.

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    Thanks for the suggestion GrayJay!

    BTW, I started a new thread documenting my 'final' implementation:
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    Banshee came today! I was a little worried about it maybe being too big for my daughter because she is very small for her age in the 15% 38.5" tall with a 15.5" inseam. Fits just fine! Hopefully that can help others with sizing the bike to their kids.
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    i'm diggin that bar.

    crap! i gotta learn to climb.

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    Haha looks familiar huh? Color option and price works. Went low rise which looks to be perfect for her.
    When we opened the box with the bike today she looked at me with a bit of a sour face and said "its not purple! I said i wanted purple!" I thought that the bar would be enough..Funny stuff these kids are.

    Thanks again for the advice in our convo!

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    Mileage may vary, however my 2 bits. I have a last generation Banshee, My daughter is 40" tall. As of right now, I check every couple weeks to see if she has grown into it. also roughly a 15 inch inseam. it is still quite unwieldy for her.

    But yes IMHO by 40 inch / 16 inch inseam getting pretty close.

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    yeah the new banshees are "shorter and stouter" as spawn puts it

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    Hey, that's the helmet my oldest started with on her Gremlin last year... and she has a Blue Banshee now.

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    It sounds funny and as a dad, I know some things I need to let go. But I absolutely hate that helmet. It was not on sale, batter helmets were on sale. IMHO the better helmets were WAY better helmets. The better ones fir better, looked better, and were a more expensive helmet for the same price.

    Kid loves blue
    Kids loves pigs.
    Space pigs. OMG

    "do you want this helmet, or that helmet (omittiting the pig helmet as even a choice)
    walks over picks up pig helmet. THIS ONE"

    I sold my little one on Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)-helmspecializedsmallfrycetdlr2014_2.jpg

    as my eldest loves blue, I did everything I could to talk her into
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    The specialised helmets have a welded seam (instead of taped)
    a larger size range.
    are physically smaller
    and IMHO more attractive

    than their Giro rodeo counterpart.

    Now to sell giro, No helmet will ever be as cool as the xen best helmet ever.

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    the outer shell is not attached to the core, sticking your finger in the top holes results in a one way barbed hole, and it will cut fingers.

    Children will be children. pigs. derp pigs.

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    Heh. Both my girls have Nutcase Watermelon helmets now... much nicer helmet. Plus they can put them on and take them off themselves, thanks to the magnet clasp.

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    if they were not absolutely terrible helmets I would love
    MET Parachute, or a giro Switchblade.

    but neither one gets any positive reaction in any way shape or form.

    Also wondering if anyone hase ever thought of a face shield
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    think abut something like this. maybe made of carbon fiber.

    if you hit your face on the bar or the ground. It will still hurt.... it may give you 2 black eyes, it may even break your jaw....

    but it will not knock out every tooth in your head.

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    Just got my son a Banshee after debating it for a bit (and waiting for them to come back in stock).

    First time he rode it, first time for him riding with hand brakes: I got the bike out of the back of the car for him and he went OTB almost instantly. This is despite me setting up the front brake very lightly and me telling him it could happen. I was pretty sure it would happen at some point, just thought it would take longer than 20 seconds.

    So, the brakes work really well. Something in the drivetrain is pretty out of round and I had to reduce the chain tension quite a bit to get it to spin smoothly. I don't think my kid's in danger of throwing a chain, though.

    A couple of things I've noticed about the bike that I'd not read elsewhere:

    1. The bars are pretty wide and the bend is pretty far out. So, no moving the brake levers in and/or cutting down the bars. I think this is ok, since it's not like you're going to get a 4 or 5 y.o. to use 1 finger braking anyway, but just know that it's "all finer" braking.

    2. I was hoping the q-factor would be nice and narrow compared to bikes with 1 piece cranks. I'd wager a wide q-factor makes a much bigger difference with short cranks and the little legs that go with them when it comes to making it hard to climb hills. However, the "bash guard" + spacers puts the chainring pretty far inboard of crank to get the straight chain line. I'm considering taking off the guard and swapping to a shorter spindle cranks (might even have an XTR-level UN-91 circa 1994 somewhere in my basement). I do like having the guard for protecting his leg from the chain, though.

    He's having a blast on the bike so far and seems to notice that it's lighter. Somewhere between that and the gearing, he's cranking up hills decently. Still need to get the braking intuitive and take him out on the trails.

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    Well, I bit the bullet and ordered an SRF-5 111mm hub from SJS Cycles in England today. Daughter's birthday is this coming Friday; doubt it'll be here (much the less built into a wheel) by B-Day, but we'll see...

    Once it arrives, I'll do a test-fit in the frame and give you some pics.

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    My daughter is still loving her Banshee and riding everyday. We have a lot of goat heads here in Phoenix and I got tired of patching the tubes every other day so she went tubeless. I originally bought tubeless threaded shrader valves from chain reaction cycle's and gorilla tape but the tires had trouble seating and I had to work all weekend so I just dropped it off at the lbs and he tried the same set up with them to no avail and then tried a 14in tube ghetto set up that worked perfect.
    It pretty funny how excited my 4 year old was that her tires are tubeless

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    So I was messing around with the banshee a bit today and agree about something not right in the drivetrain but I think it is more that the freewheel just is kind of crappy. Does anyone know if a White Industries ENO freewheel will work on this bike?

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    Hub is here; pictures soon. Trying to determine all the measurements I need for spokes... The tire says it's ETRTO size 40-305; does that mean it's 305mm ERD? Or do I need to measure the rim to ensure I get a new one (different hole pattern) that's compatible?

    I suppose I can take the hub and rear wheel to the bike shop for them to measure, if needed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDK View Post
    So I was messing around with the banshee a bit today and agree about something not right in the drivetrain but I think it is more that the freewheel just is kind of crappy. Does anyone know if a White Industries ENO freewheel will work on this bike?
    Not 100% certain, but I think the stock freewheel is 13T? Standard freewheels only go down to 16T and would probably fit on the opposite side of the hub (again, not certain, but I'd assume it's a flip flop hub with different threadings on each side)

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    it is different sizes on each side.
    crap! i gotta learn to climb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDK View Post
    So I was messing around with the banshee a bit today and agree about something not right in the drivetrain but I think it is more that the freewheel just is kind of crappy. Does anyone know if a White Industries ENO freewheel will work on this bike?
    Mine had the same problem, the front chainring is not round, I swapped it for a 22 tooth xt chain ring from my 9 speed and lost some weight and it was round again. Plus my kid could actually pedal uphill to boot.

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    I got my son the 20" carbon concepts fork from ebay, a deore 32h front hub and a sunringle 16" 32h wheel i found on amazon. Admitidly a little more than i wanted to spend but still cool that he will have a hydraulic front disc brake. Still have to get the wheel built but theres no rush because i wont pick up the bike until mid september ill post pics when everything is done!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dqook View Post
    I got my son the 20" carbon concepts fork from ebay, a deore 32h front hub and a sunringle 16" 32h wheel i found on amazon. Admitidly a little more than i wanted to spend but still cool that he will have a hydraulic front disc brake. Still have to get the wheel built but theres no rush because i wont pick up the bike until mid september ill post pics when everything is done!
    -DQ
    What are you using for a rear brake? Hopefully it is hydraulic as well... I've spent some time riding behind my 5 year old on his commecal Ramones 20, and a friends daughter on her savage 2.0 on the sidewinder trail in south lake tahoe, front brakes where not used by either, but tons of rear braking

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    Im leaving the rear stock because i dont want to have to weld mounts on the frame. I figure i would adjust the rear brake so it has less bite and kinda let the boy learn to use the front brake on his own. Trick the boy into some good habits. We will see the outcome later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dqook View Post
    Im leaving the rear stock because i dont want to have to weld mounts on the frame. I figure i would adjust the rear brake so it has less bite and kinda let the boy learn to use the front brake on his own. Trick the boy into some good habits. We will see the outcome later.
    Good luck, I've debated taking the front brake off, the young ones just don't have the strength to keep the bike in line under front braking. The banshee rear break was ok, but when my son moved up to the 20 inch bike disc brakes made a world of difference in how long he can ride. Comparing to a friends hot rock they are not in the same league.

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    My son is barely 2 and a half so the ammount of heavy braking he will be doing will be minimal. He is getting a bit big for the strider but still rides it. I have a feeling that we will be switching the bike with the strider back and fourth until he gets comfortable on the banshee. I got him a short stem and flat bar so i think he should sit pretty well. Again time will tell and we will adjust. Any pics of your kid's bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dqook View Post
    My son is barely 2 and a half so the ammount of heavy braking he will be doing will be minimal. He is getting a bit big for the strider but still rides it. I have a feeling that we will be switching the bike with the strider back and fourth until he gets comfortable on the banshee. I got him a short stem and flat bar so i think he should sit pretty well. Again time will tell and we will adjust. Any pics of your kid's bike?
    This weekends outing, the girls are adams (he posted earlier in this thread about banshees and shifting) one is on a banshee the other on a savage, mine is on his ramones. My daughter has a banshee as well but we didn't bring her with us...

    Here is some video of riding down sidewinder this weekend:
    Sean and Aluara on sidewinder - YouTube
    Sean riding his banshee on his pump track in the back yard:
    Sean first ride on the pump track - YouTube
    Last edited by tkavan01; 08-19-2014 at 12:44 AM. Reason: forgot link

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    Awesome backyard! Thanks

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    Hi All,
    FYI, I recently found a low-rise replacement handlebar for the Banshee that does not require swapping stems. It is a 2" rise, BMX 1-piece "micro" bar with a stem clamp diameter compatible with the stock stem. The stock brake levers, stock grips, and add-on X-5 rear shifter went on just fine.

    Alloy 2-Inch Micro Black Handlebars | FLY Racing | Professional grade Motocross, BMX, MTB, Offroad, ATV, Snowmobile, and Watercraft apparel and hard parts
    Got mine for $30 at Danscomp.

    FWIW, note that the FlyRacing red color does not at all match the Banshee red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evandy View Post
    Well, I bit the bullet and ordered an SRF-5 111mm hub ...
    My LBS has been looking for a 305mm rim with a 28-hole drilling. After about 2 weeks of searching, they can only find a steel one. I dropped the hub off with them to get measured and spokes cut. They don't have a spoke threader, so it may get sent out to Sapim, I'm told. Hopefully I'll have everything back in a couple weeks.

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    I just placed an order for a green banshee. Really excited for my son. His 12in hotrock has been put through the ringer and is on its last leg.

    Are there any upgrades that need to be done immediately? To run some new bars what size stem fits the steerer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trap121 View Post
    I just placed an order for a green banshee. Really excited for my son. His 12in hotrock has been put through the ringer and is on its last leg.

    Are there any upgrades that need to be done immediately? To run some new bars what size stem fits the steerer?
    Congrats and welcome to the club. Immediate upgrades to consider:
    1) Replace tires with something with dirt tread (lots of details earlier in this thread)

    2) If you want lower-rise bars (definitely improved things for my kid) and don't want to swap the stem, see my post above about the Fly Racing 2" riser bar that fits the stock stem. Alloy 2-Inch Micro Black Handlebars | FLY Racing | Professional grade Motocross, BMX, MTB, Offroad, ATV, Snowmobile, and Watercraft apparel and hard parts. $30 at Danscomp.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trap121 View Post
    Are there any upgrades that need to be done immediately?
    There is one and only one required upgrade when you get the bike... just add a rider.

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    I think if you do want to add something i would go with a stem and handlebar. I got my little boy a SHORT Stem from ebay for $7 the quality seems good cnc aluminum and it looks good. I also found a carbon fiber flat bar for $20. The kid is 3 years old so i dont think he needs race spec parts and it will be nice to shed some weight and get the handlebars at a better position for him. Good luck!

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