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    They should add in the wholesale cost of a coaster hub wheel, plus the extra shipping, and then just ship the U.S. bikes with both wheels in the box. I can't imagine it'd be that much different in cost, it's a kid's wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJH View Post
    Is Spawn able to export Banshee's into the states without a coaster brake? Looking at the Norco Scorpion image closely online and it appears that it comes with both a coaster brake and a V brake. I just can't see spending more money and having a high friction coaster brake when I already have one here.
    Spawn states on their site that the consumer is solely responsible for all input duty and legal requirements. The only issue I've heard of them having is with the Gremlin, and that's a trademark issue with Schwinn (who also sells a bike called a gremlin).

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    Derp! I was confusing bikes. I thought since I bought our Banshee they went to a coaster brake for the US, but that was not the case
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    Quote Originally Posted by tkavan01 View Post
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    quite a bit of dish required.
    Tkanvan01,

    Did you ever try to do this? I am seriously thinking about trying to do it now, and even though it will be a helluva amount of dish, my 35# son should be alright, and I'll have to limit him to only 5' high jumps to flat landings.

    Did you have to spread the stays out to get the hub in?

    From your picture it looks like there could be some interference with the V-brake bosses on the non driveside spokes, does it look like that to you?

    What kind of hub is that? I just did a quick search for a bolt on rear hub, and didn't find much.

    Thanks for any info - BS

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    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    Tkanvan01,

    Did you ever try to do this? I am seriously thinking about trying to do it now, and even though it will be a helluva amount of dish, my 35# son should be alright, and I'll have to limit him to only 5' high jumps to flat landings.

    Did you have to spread the stays out to get the hub in?

    From your picture it looks like there could be some interference with the V-brake bosses on the non driveside spokes, does it look like that to you?

    What kind of hub is that? I just did a quick search for a bolt on rear hub, and didn't find much.

    Thanks for any info - BS
    I tore apart an XT mtn bike hub, removing the lock nuts to get it to fit, I did not go any further bc it seemed stupid to continue, as soon as you add the rear cassette the locking cap part interfered with the frame. I did debate cutting the rear hub and taking a small section out of the middle and rewelding it, but I don't have access to an aluminum welder so i skipped that idea as well, maybe I should rethink it though.

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    I got a Gremlin finally!! Just had it shipped to a buddy in Calgary who then shipped it on down to me....

    It's great, my son who will be 3 in about 2 more months spent about ten minutes walk-riding it last night like he does on his balance bike, then about 20 minutes this afternoon doing about the same before he pedaled away from me under his own power...so cool!!!

    He's always been in the 50th percentile for his height and weight, so one thing I did to modify his a little was to swap out the seat and seatpost for a smaller/lower seat from his big sister's Islabike, and a plain seatpost with the separate old school seat rail clamp that can be flipped upside down to get the seat as low as it would go so he can tippy toe while seated...next up some 2.125 tires for his birthday in a couple months!

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    Quote Originally Posted by evandy View Post
    Anyone hear anything about when the new Banshees will start shipping? Getting close to the end of the month!
    Well, mine hasn't shipped yet ;( Max at Spawn told me a couple weeks back that it all depends on when the parts arrive through customs... here's hoping that all gets settled soon!

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    Just got notification that the new Banshee has been "Completed." No tracking number, so presumably it will ship out in the next couple of days. I'll get you some photos when it shows up (next week, I assume)...

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    Thanks for starting this post BullSCit, it was a major contributor to us buying this bike.

    Speaking of which, we ordered the banshee in Oct, it showed up today. YAY! Now I have to wait until kiddos birthday in January to give it to him.

    Is it January yet?


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    And then wait till may for the snow to melt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northernblades View Post
    And then wait till may for the snow to melt.
    That's what gloves are for!

    Apparently, my banshee shipped 7 day instead of 2 day... Should show up Thurs.

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    Banshee finally showed up today, after 9 days with no scans from USPS. Box was damaged, and the powercoat on the cranks was scratched, but fine otherwise. Went together smooth as silk, just like the Gremlin, and the new lower seat is JUST low enough for my 4yo. By spring I'll probably be able to bump it up a bit. Hopefully it'll warm up enough that she can get out to give it a test ride soon.

    Now to hope the 2yo grows enough for the Gremlin by March.

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    What color is that? I doesn't appear on the Spawn website currently.
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    Just an update to our Spawn. I added a 3 spd freewheel to give a better range of gearing and prep her for the next bike. I used an SRAM X7 der and SRAM twist shifter i had laying around. Works great
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    Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)

    Quote Originally Posted by fire_strom View Post
    What color is that? I doesn't appear on the Spawn website currently.
    Its was the pink color offered on the V1 Banshee. I just looked at the site and I guess they are not offering it for the V2

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    Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)

    Darn. Pink would be the easy choice for my girl. It looks great too.
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    Pulled the trigger today on a blue one!!! I am way more excited than she is but I expect that will equalize once it's here and she's rocking it. It might be a tiny bit big at first. She rode a HR16 in the store the other day and with the seat slammed could just touch the ground with the tips of her shoes.

    Thanks everyone for chiming in about these. Very inspirational and influential.

    I wonder if I can lace a IGH hub into the rim...

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    Congrats, fire_storm. I hope that you and your daughter enjoy it!

    My 4yo had a rude awakening last week. She insisted on going out to ride on the banshee despite ice and snow. When the tire slipped out from under her due to black ice she had no idea what just happened. Poor her.

    Oh, well. She's still looking forward to getting back on it in better weather.

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    Bummer. Hope she isn't too shaken. It's great isn't it how kids don't know that bad weather and dicey conditions are bad until we convey it. Every morning that I'm taking her to "school" I ask if she wants to ride her bike or take the truck, she choices to ride her bike. Pouring rain, dumping snow, sub freezing temps, whatever, the weather doesn't seem to be a factor. That's the kind of exuberance and innocence we parents need to re-learn and not un-teach. Fine line between the safety and living. I lean towards living. But always with a helmet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_strom View Post
    She rode a HR16 in the store the other day and with the seat slammed could just touch the ground with the tips of her shoes.

    -G
    I ended up swapping the seat and seatpost to get the top of the seat about another 1" lower. The seat that Spawn uses has pretty profile from the rails to the top of the seat, so be looking for another seat with lower-profile (I used the islabikes seat off his sister's bike which is both small overall as well as lower profile)....and the seat post is a regular MTB single bolt offset post which is fine BUT if you go with a seatpost with the old style clamp that is separate from the post (like found on most all dept store bikes) you can flip the clamp so the thru-bolt that holds it together is above the rails and drop the height lower. each mod gains about a half-inch independent of each other....hope this helps!

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    It will, thanks. I remember reading your post on this a while back. I'd forgotten it though. I think I might have the parts on a big box store bike that would work.
    Thanks again-
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    also, a mini bmx seat and shim gets it close to an inch lower.
    crap! i gotta learn to climb.

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    Has anyone else noticed that Schwalbe has a 16" Big Apple Tire?? I'm thinking that it might be a nice upgrade for our blue Banshee if/when we need some new tires. On the other hand, the tires that come with it are fairly slick. I wonder how much difference it would make...

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    I would say the extra 1/2" will make it a lot softer on the bumps. I run 2.35 big apples on my street bike, and I love the Cush. They roll plenty fast and are semi thorn resistant.

    I just wish black jacks would restock.
    crap! i gotta learn to climb.

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    What size pedals are these? 9/16" or 1/2"?
    Thanks!
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    Oh and, enter the FURI!!!
    They changed the name of the Gremlin to be able to import into Schwinnland USA.
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    They finally got the rename complete? Glad to hear that! My oldest started off on a Gremlin and loved it. She's on a Banshee now and the Gremlin is passed down... but it's a great bike. Glad they can finally import it into the US again.

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    9/16". Only cheap one piece cranks use 1/2" these days.

    And the black jacks shipped today!!!!!
    crap! i gotta learn to climb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spencerb View Post
    Thanks for starting this post BullSCit, it was a major contributor to us buying this bike.

    Speaking of which, we ordered the banshee in Oct, it showed up today. YAY! Now I have to wait until kiddos birthday in January to give it to him.

    Is it January yet?


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    It's January! Son has ridden this bike a couple times. Took him less than 10 min to pedal, steer and stop coming from his runbike. Definitely going to have to put a smaller chainring on the front as he's having a hard time going up hill. For those that went to 22t, was it too low? or did it work out?

    Also, the one that we got had the flipflop hub. If I wanted to to up in teeth in the rear, would I just toss another gear on the opposite side?
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    I'm running a 24T up front and a 3-speed 16-22t in the rear. No derailleur or shifter yet, but I manually throw it on the 22T for trail riding so he can climb hills and on the 16t for pavement cruising. This setup works with the stock chain.

    24/22 gives him a low enough gear to climb most of the hills on our local trails.

    To answer the other part of your question, I removed the stock freewheel after putting on the 3-speed on the other side. But you could also run the stock 14t on one side, a larger freewheel on the other, and flip the wheel as needed.

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    I started with the 22T up front, and it really helped my daughter on the hills around our house, but she spins out pretty fast on downhills and roads (which really isn't a bad thing, as speed hurts). It all depends on how big your hills are, and how hard he/she will try before giving up.

    What I really would love is if someone would make me a smaller width rear hub (basically cutting out a chunk between the two flanges), like what is being talked about before on this thread, so my 3 year old son can use it. The 3 speed cassette is alright, but it is heavy and doesn't give much range. My daughter is now on a 20" bike with a 9 speed 11-34 cassette, and it is amazing what she climbed right off the bat compared to the 3-speed Banshee. Yeah the bigger wheels help, but it is mostly due to the 300% range instead of 50%, and be able to rock crawl up steeper hills. If anyone can make this hub, I have money for your talents.

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    I second that---I would really love to have a 7-speed or 9-speed cassette on the Banshee.

    And in the future, I would have happily paid the same price as the Savage 1.0 if it had come with standard mtb rear hub spacing and a 7/9 speed rear cassette/derailleur/shifter.

    Spawn? Islabike? Anyone?

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    Awesome, thanks for the replies! Sounds like I will pick up a 22t front for him since we do almost all trail riding. He can out pedal me running beside him on our street which makes me nervous.

    Regarding the flipflop hub, would I just drop something like the following on the second side in addition to the 14t hub it came with? Shimano Single Speed Freewheel | Chain Reaction Cycles

    Here's a video of him riding our local trails on his runbike: Bens Ride - YouTube

    It will be a while before we can get his banshee there due to size and comfort, but I don't expect it will be long.
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    I went for a 22t chainring on my son's 16" bike, and 16t on the freewheel. (12 inch hotrock was 28/18 iirc) and he manages slight hills more easily.

    BUT I wish I had gone for 18t freewheel. Infact I may buy one and give it a try. I don't know how much difference those 2 teeth would make. I was worried about him spinning out, but he doesn't, and still has plenty of speed.

    He also has short cranks (89) and as he grows I will replace these with the next size up, which might help too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    What I really would love is if someone would make me a smaller width rear hub (basically cutting out a chunk between the two flanges), like what is being talked about before on this thread, so my 3 year old son can use it.
    BSC- I made a couple preliminary measurements of an older 135mm 7-speed cassette hub (Shimano Deore DX) that I have kicking around. To go from 135mm to 108mm axle width, 27mm of width needs to be removed. Problem is that the centerline of the hub then is only 5mm offset from the drive side flange center, very little dish for the spokes on drive side, more typically hubs have around 19-20mm of offset from the drive side flange to the hub centerline but the light weight of a 50lbs kid should give you much less of a need for lateral strength so it might still be OK. You could probably help the spoke geometry by using a singlewall rim and re-drilling the spoke holes offset toward the non-drive side to get a bit more of a dish angle on the drive side.
    8/9 speed width cassette body hub is definitely a no-go, the drive side hub flange would be at the hub centerline. Another possibility is to go with a 5-speed freewheel and threaded hub instead of a cassette. A 5-speed freewheel is even narrower than a 7-speed cassette so leaves a bit more room for getting the drive side flange offset from centerline.

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    GJ,

    I posted something on the Fat Bikes forum about this, as people are talking about doing the exact opposite, and adding material to a 135mm hub to make it a 170 or 190mm rear hub for a conventional (non-Surly) dropout. I came to the same conclusion you did, that the dish on the drive side spokes would be almost perpendicular to the skewer/axle bolt. Not sure how to get around that, and maybe would be able to spread the dropouts a bit (I wish for once it was steel). Seems like if you cold spread it out to 120mm and then cut 15mm off of the hub width.

    Sorry for my ignorance, but are free-hubs all the same just not as wide from 7 to 10 speed? What I really want is range, and I could live with losing 3-4 gears in the middle, if I can still have 11 and 36.

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    8/9/10 speed cassette hub body is all the same width, a 7-speed cassette body is 5mm narrower.
    Probably best solution however is to follow Tigworlds example and adapt 5 cogs of a MTB cassette to fit on a BMX cassette hub which is intended as a singlespeed so is even more narrow. See FAQLoad - Adding gears to a single speed BMX

    Difficulty with this is finding an affordable source for suitable BMX casette hubs that take road/MTB cassette cogs. The only SS cassette hubs I find online are prohibitively expensive for my kids bike projects and stuff like this doesnt seem to ever show up at bike co-op, or even on e-bay. Example ss hubs AREs;
    Velocity - Singlespeed Disc Rear Hub
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    Chris King BMX Rear

    Also beware that BMX/TRIALS world more typically uses a micro cassette that takes a tiny 9-tooth SS cog, smaller diameter so not useful for adapting to road/MTB multi-cogs.

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    Expecting our banshee to show up tomorrow. Wish I found this thread sooner, but we ended up getting our 4 yr old a 16" Hotrock last july. The training wheels came off a few months ago and even though it's a great bike, the side pull brake we put on wasn't very inspiring. Gonna try taking him on some easy trails this weekend so we'll see how he does with having better brakes. Looking at the pictures, I'm guessing I'll have to replace those tires right away. Any recommendations? He'll be 5 in May and I think he's around 15% percentile in height so I'm hoping the bike will last him at least until he turns 7.

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    Schwalbe Black jack 1.9s is what I went with. Sourcing was a pain, as they were back ordered.

    The mad mikes are heavier, but easier to source.
    crap! i gotta learn to climb.

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    Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)

    PM'd you. Have tires that I can't use on my 3y/o's Banshee.
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    Got your pm. Thanks for the offer, but I found a brand new set of kenda k50s in my garage from a leftover baby jogger we recently got rid of. They're 1.75 and I would have preferred 2.1s, but not gonna complain at this point. The stock tires were 1.5 I believe.

    The bike came in, but I got dinged pretty hard from ups. It was around 70 bucks in fees and I paid close to 35 for Purolator shipping. Not gonna tell the wifey about that one O_o.

    Got it built up in a little over an hour with the tire swap. The most time was spent adjusting the brakes. With the new tires and no reflectors it's coming in at 15.8lbs. I think I weighed the hotrock 16 at 17.8lbs or somewhere close to that.

    Hopefully we'll be able to get a test ride in tonight. He hasn't seen it yet.

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    Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)

    Bummer on the fees and dings! Any damage?
    Good score on the tires. Those should be great. Where are you, I was worried about fees but got lucky. I read that the standard Canadian post option was the best way to avoid them. What is Purolatir shipping?
    Congrats, he's going to love it!
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    There was a little damage to the box, but the bike was fine. I'm in Los Angeles and I think Purolator is Canada's equivalent to UPS. I don't remember there being many options for shipping when I bought the bike. Oh well.

    Weight difference is pretty noticeable even though the hotrock was pretty light to begin with. My son loves it.

    First ride.
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    I just got a 26t chainring for my daughter's Banshee. I know 2 teeth isn't much but I just want to take the edge off.

    I ran into an issue though. The stock chainring has holes big enough for the nuts (like the smaller ring on a 2x). The chainring I got was intended for the inner ring on a triple so it fits the bolts, not the nuts(since it was intended to bolt right to the crank spider).

    Did you guys that swapped chainrings find some that were made for a 2x crank or did you reverse the bolts/nuts and shim them? Or some other magic I'm missing?

    Thanks-
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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_strom View Post
    I ended up using different bolts and spacers.

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    Took my 4 yr old to ride some dirt for the first time this past weekend. He did great, but i still need to play with the brakes. Trying to adjust the front so he can't lock it up so easily. Such a huge difference compared to the side pull brake he had on his hotrock.

    Tempted to get the 2.4" wide kendas now.

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    Thanks to this thread I just bought the Banshee. We live in Austin and have plenty of hills. So from what I've read it looks like the 22 or 24 is working better than the stock 28?
    Ok, so those that have already done the research and have experience, what are the best
    Tire (size)?
    Chainring size?
    Full face helmet/elbow pads?

    He will use these for trails similar to the photo above, but with more rocks thrown in.

    Thanks in advance for any help!

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    Evs option mini pads are pretty nice.

    Fox also does some peewee pads.

    Seems like the evs pads are a little smaller than the fox peewee pads.
    crap! i gotta learn to climb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherpaxc View Post
    Thanks to this thread I just bought the Banshee. We live in Austin and have plenty of hills. So from what I've read it looks like the 22 or 24 is working better than the stock 28?
    Ok, so those that have already done the research and have experience, what are the best
    Tire (size)?
    Chainring size?
    Full face helmet/elbow pads?

    He will use these for trails similar to the photo above, but with more rocks thrown in.

    Thanks in advance for any help!
    Congrats!
    I just put a 26t chainring on. Too early to tell if it is small enough. I have a 3.6 y/o and she was doing ok with the 28t but her cadence was really slow. Only one ride since the change so we'll see.

    I put very knobby 2.125" tire on and though it looked great it made the bike a little unwieldy. I could see her confidence dropping so I pulled them after a few days. I have another set of 2.125" tires comeing because I am a slow learner and the stock ones look so skinny.
    Here are the knobbys:


    Here are the others, they're Kenda. I think it is the BMX kontact tread:



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    i went with schwalbe black jack 1.9's.

    they seem plenty big,

    my daughters still a little small for her banshee. if she had already known how to ride a bike, she'd prol be okay on it, but she doesnt have the confidence yet.

    oh well. at least her 5 yr old sis likes the savage.
    crap! i gotta learn to climb.

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