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    I haven't sourced any parts, as of yet... but, that said, I would check with your LBS. They should be able to order whatever you need... The link I posted for niagra cycle above has a full wheel built with a black rim; you could always cut out the hub.

    Regarding efficiency... that's not, honestly, even close to the top of my concerns for my daughter right now. Gear range is MUCH more important right now... who cares how fast she can do something, when the alternative is not to do it at all? She constantly spins out on the flats where we ride, but the minute she tries to go up any moderately steep hills, she's stuck and can't get up. Her legs just don't have the strength yet. If I can give her a gear range that let her climb up the steeper hills like she wants, and not spin out on the flats, I'll jump at the chance. The fact that the IGH lets her shift at a dead stop is a really great bonus, too... no worries about having stopped in high gear and can't get going again.

    Max at Spawn noted that a rear derailer on a banshee sits about 3" off the ground... that sounds like it's just asking to be clipped or destroyed. Especially since she bangs her bike around a lot. She's a kid; that's the name of the game. I'm more than happy to sacrifice the 2% or so efficiency in return for the robustness and gear range.

    Of course, your mileage (and child) may vary. Frankly, if I didn't have 2nd daughter coming behind for the bike, I might not bother, and just wait for her to grow into a 20" bike that's made for rear gears. But with a second coming behind, it's an upgrade that will pay off for quite a while to come.

    Still waiting to hear back from my LBS on what they can source. Worst case, I'll source parts and try my hand at wheel building.

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    Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)



    A few upgrades.


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    Quote Originally Posted by split View Post


    A few upgrades.

    Most upgraded yet! Why no front brake though?

    All I've done to our little one is swap out the front chainring for 22T and the tires for 2.25 comp III style...

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    The fork is made for a 20" wheel with disc brakes. I want to find a 16" black rim to build up a disc wheel. And I figured it would be better to start with a powerful rear brake than to give him so much stopping power in the front.

    I found this picture and was inspired:

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    Split, can you tell me more about that fork? Looks like exactly what I want for my daughter's 20" bike. Where you got it, weight, cost?

    And why can't you just reuse the rim that is on there now for the new front wheel? That is what I did when I built a new wheel around the rear flip-flop hub talked about several pages before. Seemed to be decent rims.

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    Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)

    I'm also curious about the fork and handle bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    Split, can you tell me more about that fork? Looks like exactly what I want for my daughter's 20" bike. Where you got it, weight, cost?

    And why can't you just reuse the rim that is on there now for the new front wheel? That is what I did when I built a new wheel around the rear flip-flop hub talked about several pages before. Seemed to be decent rims.
    The fork is an eXotic carbon 20" recumbent/folding/kids fork with disc brakes, got it on ebay for $150. Online shop at carboncycles.cc (CarbonCycles.CC :: Components :: Products :: Forks - Recumbent / Folder / Child Bike :: eXotic Carbon Rigid Fork for 20 Inch Wheel - Disc Only :: CC-F03-20).

    I could re-use the rim, but didn't want him to go without a bike while it was being built. We'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evandy View Post
    Regarding efficiency... that's not, honestly, even close to the top of my concerns for my daughter right now. Gear range is MUCH more important right now... who cares how fast she can do something, when the alternative is not to do it at all? She constantly spins out on the flats where we ride, but the minute she tries to go up any moderately steep hills, she's stuck and can't get up. Her legs just don't have the strength yet. If I can give her a gear range that let her climb up the steeper hills like she wants, and not spin out on the flats, I'll jump at the chance. The fact that the IGH lets her shift at a dead stop is a really great bonus, too... no worries about having stopped in high gear and can't get going again.

    Max at Spawn noted that a rear derailer on a banshee sits about 3" off the ground... that sounds like it's just asking to be clipped or destroyed. Especially since she bangs her bike around a lot. She's a kid; that's the name of the game. I'm more than happy to sacrifice the 2% or so efficiency in return for the robustness and gear range.

    Of course, your mileage (and child) may vary. Frankly, if I didn't have 2nd daughter coming behind for the bike, I might not bother, and just wait for her to grow into a 20" bike that's made for rear gears. But with a second coming behind, it's an upgrade that will pay off for quite a while to come.

    Still waiting to hear back from my LBS on what they can source. Worst case, I'll source parts and try my hand at wheel building.


    Evandy,

    Everyone and their children are definitely different, and I applaud you for taking a different approach. It also depends on where and how you ride. The trails that we ride are usually big climbs and then downhills, with little ups and downs in between. So my 3 year old has enough leg strength to get most of the small ups, but even with the lowest gear in the world, couldn't make the climbs. That is why we use this:

    A New Way to Get Kids Uphill

    This is my daughter when we first starting using it, and I have refined the product and it is simpler and less prone to breaking. My daughter can now ride almost every ride without being towed, and I think a lot of that is from the use of this system when she was younger.

    The other thing that I didn't like with the IGH, was it was even hard for me to shift at times. Maybe it was because mine was used pretty roughly, but it wasn't even easy to shift when I first got it. Hopefully the one you get is better than the Rohloff in that way.

    And what I read was that the Rohloff was 5x more inefficient than a conventional chain/chainring system (99% vs 95%). It's like pedaling in sand. It'll just wear their little legs out that much faster. Again, that is why I like the tow system above, they can pedal when they want to, but they still have to work on steering and balance and braking. And on the uphills, loss of efficiency is like adding weight to the bike.

    Best of luck, and I hope it turns out for the best - BS

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    Quote Originally Posted by trap121 View Post
    I'm also curious about the fork and handle bars.
    Race Face Atlas 1 1/4" riser bar. Matching Race Race Atlas 50 mm stem and Race Face Half Nelson ODI grips.

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    Those are some pretty sweet custom setups!
    I'm dieing over here waiting for "late June" to get here so I can order one for my daughter. I don't really want to preorder one because their communication skills are horrible and I don't really trust that they will have enough bikes when "late June" gets here.

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    Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)

    Here's our gear experiment. 2x1.
    The derailleur is just for tension. The big ring is the stock one in the bash guard spot with a 22t in the original ring position.
    Shifting is done by grown up, manually.
    She's been asking for a faster gear. She spins out the 22t on the flats.
    The cheapo derailleur puts lot of drag on the system. Not sure if it is the bushings instead of bearings in the pulleys or the really over stiff spring in the arm pivot. We'll see how it goes.
    If she otherwise likes it I will try to address the drag.
    The derailleur weights 279g and cost $15. Shimano Tourney TL35.
    I tried using the Alfine two pulley tensioner but the chain line was too far off.
    She turns 4 in two days.



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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_strom View Post
    Here's our gear experiment. 2x1.
    The derailleur is just for tension. The big ring is the stock one in the bash guard spot with a 22t in the original ring position.
    Shifting is done by grown up, manually.
    She's been asking for a faster gear. She spins out the 22t on the flats.
    The cheapo derailleur puts lot of drag on the system. Not sure if it is the bushings instead of bearings in the pulleys or the really over stiff spring in the arm pivot. We'll see how it goes.
    If she otherwise likes it I will try to address the drag.
    The derailleur weights 279g and cost $15. Shimano Tourney TL35.
    I tried using the Alfine two pulley tensioner but the chain line was too far off.
    She turns 4 in two days.
    Nice work! Curious, what BCD is the front crank and where can I get a replacement chainring?

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    64bcd. The trick is that the bolt holes for inner chain rings are smaller diameter since they normally thread directly into the crank spider. On the Spawn the stock chain ring has bigger holes, normal sized for passing the nut. To use a different chainring put the bolts in from the non drive side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_strom View Post
    The cheapo derailleur puts lot of drag on the system. Not sure if it is the bushings instead of bearings in the pulleys or the really over stiff spring in the arm pivot. We'll see how it goes.
    If she otherwise likes it I will try to address the drag.
    The derailleur weights 279g and cost $15. Shimano Tourney TL35.
    I tried using the Alfine two pulley tensioner but the chain line was too far off.
    Oooh I like the dual chainring idea, versus 3 spd in the rear. My goal is to setup my Spawn Furi so my son can ride uphill better on trail days.

    EDIT: hmm... is it possible to remove to top pulley (and sacrifice a bit of chain wrap) to lessen the drag?
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    It is pretty clean. I have found that she is actually slower in the fast gear. She is little and just barely 4 so in the fast gear she looses cadence. She lacks the torque to push the fast gear at the same rate as she can on the easy. It is better for her when she stands to pedal but that is still not a super stable, frequently used technique.

    The single pull could help. I'll have to look into that. For now, since the drag isn't too bad in the easy gear I am going to just leave it there.

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    Here's my first try at fire_storm's idea, on my son's Furi (14" version of Banshee)
    - 22T chainring I had lying around, drilled out to enlarge bolt holes
    - stock chainring bolts and spacers
    - stock chainring in place of bashguard
    - stock chain
    - Shimano SIS der hanger adaptor
    - Axiom No-railleur tensioner

    I'm not happy with the drag that the tensioner introduces, despite my attempts to align it with chainline. It's not much but it's notable. I'll try tweaking it later via taking apart the tensioner to see if I can lesson the spring tension. (EDIT: I drilled new holes in the tensioner for the spring to mount in a looser position, but anything less than stock led to the chain falling off when dropping the bike, etc)

    I'd also like to get some more chainring spacers to add the bashring back in since my son often rides with long pants on. (EDIT: This could also help improve chainline to both chainrings, as the stock position is ideal and the outer ring is off by 5mm - I'd like to shoot for chainline to be right between the two chainrings).

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    Quote Originally Posted by split View Post
    The fork is an eXotic carbon 20" recumbent/folding/kids fork with disc brakes, got it on ebay for $150. Online shop at carboncycles.cc (CarbonCycles.CC :: Components :: Products :: Forks - Recumbent / Folder / Child Bike :: eXotic Carbon Rigid Fork for 20 Inch Wheel - Disc Only :: CC-F03-20).

    I could re-use the rim, but didn't want him to go without a bike while it was being built. We'll see.
    Did you have to use that fork to set up the bike with the race face gear?

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    To get rid of the tensioner drag, you could set it up as a "dinglespeed". Probably best to use 22T and 24T chainrings (or maybe 24t & 28t for more gear range), then make a 2-speed freewheel from an old 5-speed freewheel. Set it up with 2 rear cogs also with a 2T (or 4t if using 24/28) difference and align their chainline with the crank chainrings. This gives you two separate chainlines and gears that both use the same length chain. You could get rid of the tensioner but you will need to loosen the rear wheel each time in order to change gears. Might work OK to leave the tensioner in and setup the chain with only just enough slack to change gears, then have the tensioner help keep it from skipping, wouldnt need as much assistance from the tensioner if chain length were constant.
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    Here is a similar 3x drivetrain I implemented with a triple crank using 30t, 34t and 38t chainrings and a 16, 20, 24t freewheel.

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    Thanks for the suggestion GrayJay!

    BTW, I started a new thread documenting my 'final' implementation:
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    Banshee came today! I was a little worried about it maybe being too big for my daughter because she is very small for her age in the 15% 38.5" tall with a 15.5" inseam. Fits just fine! Hopefully that can help others with sizing the bike to their kids.
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    i'm diggin that bar.

    crap! i gotta learn to climb.

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    Haha looks familiar huh? Color option and price works. Went low rise which looks to be perfect for her.
    When we opened the box with the bike today she looked at me with a bit of a sour face and said "its not purple! I said i wanted purple!" I thought that the bar would be enough..Funny stuff these kids are.

    Thanks again for the advice in our convo!

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    Mileage may vary, however my 2 bits. I have a last generation Banshee, My daughter is 40" tall. As of right now, I check every couple weeks to see if she has grown into it. also roughly a 15 inch inseam. it is still quite unwieldy for her.

    But yes IMHO by 40 inch / 16 inch inseam getting pretty close.

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    yeah the new banshees are "shorter and stouter" as spawn puts it

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    Hey, that's the helmet my oldest started with on her Gremlin last year... and she has a Blue Banshee now.

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    It sounds funny and as a dad, I know some things I need to let go. But I absolutely hate that helmet. It was not on sale, batter helmets were on sale. IMHO the better helmets were WAY better helmets. The better ones fir better, looked better, and were a more expensive helmet for the same price.

    Kid loves blue
    Kids loves pigs.
    Space pigs. OMG

    "do you want this helmet, or that helmet (omittiting the pig helmet as even a choice)
    walks over picks up pig helmet. THIS ONE"

    I sold my little one on Review of the Spawn Cycles Banshee (16" wheeled bike)-helmspecializedsmallfrycetdlr2014_2.jpg

    as my eldest loves blue, I did everything I could to talk her into
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    The specialised helmets have a welded seam (instead of taped)
    a larger size range.
    are physically smaller
    and IMHO more attractive

    than their Giro rodeo counterpart.

    Now to sell giro, No helmet will ever be as cool as the xen best helmet ever.

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    the outer shell is not attached to the core, sticking your finger in the top holes results in a one way barbed hole, and it will cut fingers.

    Children will be children. pigs. derp pigs.

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    Heh. Both my girls have Nutcase Watermelon helmets now... much nicer helmet. Plus they can put them on and take them off themselves, thanks to the magnet clasp.

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    if they were not absolutely terrible helmets I would love
    MET Parachute, or a giro Switchblade.

    but neither one gets any positive reaction in any way shape or form.

    Also wondering if anyone hase ever thought of a face shield
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    think abut something like this. maybe made of carbon fiber.

    if you hit your face on the bar or the ground. It will still hurt.... it may give you 2 black eyes, it may even break your jaw....

    but it will not knock out every tooth in your head.

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    Just got my son a Banshee after debating it for a bit (and waiting for them to come back in stock).

    First time he rode it, first time for him riding with hand brakes: I got the bike out of the back of the car for him and he went OTB almost instantly. This is despite me setting up the front brake very lightly and me telling him it could happen. I was pretty sure it would happen at some point, just thought it would take longer than 20 seconds.

    So, the brakes work really well. Something in the drivetrain is pretty out of round and I had to reduce the chain tension quite a bit to get it to spin smoothly. I don't think my kid's in danger of throwing a chain, though.

    A couple of things I've noticed about the bike that I'd not read elsewhere:

    1. The bars are pretty wide and the bend is pretty far out. So, no moving the brake levers in and/or cutting down the bars. I think this is ok, since it's not like you're going to get a 4 or 5 y.o. to use 1 finger braking anyway, but just know that it's "all finer" braking.

    2. I was hoping the q-factor would be nice and narrow compared to bikes with 1 piece cranks. I'd wager a wide q-factor makes a much bigger difference with short cranks and the little legs that go with them when it comes to making it hard to climb hills. However, the "bash guard" + spacers puts the chainring pretty far inboard of crank to get the straight chain line. I'm considering taking off the guard and swapping to a shorter spindle cranks (might even have an XTR-level UN-91 circa 1994 somewhere in my basement). I do like having the guard for protecting his leg from the chain, though.

    He's having a blast on the bike so far and seems to notice that it's lighter. Somewhere between that and the gearing, he's cranking up hills decently. Still need to get the braking intuitive and take him out on the trails.

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    Well, I bit the bullet and ordered an SRF-5 111mm hub from SJS Cycles in England today. Daughter's birthday is this coming Friday; doubt it'll be here (much the less built into a wheel) by B-Day, but we'll see...

    Once it arrives, I'll do a test-fit in the frame and give you some pics.

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    My daughter is still loving her Banshee and riding everyday. We have a lot of goat heads here in Phoenix and I got tired of patching the tubes every other day so she went tubeless. I originally bought tubeless threaded shrader valves from chain reaction cycle's and gorilla tape but the tires had trouble seating and I had to work all weekend so I just dropped it off at the lbs and he tried the same set up with them to no avail and then tried a 14in tube ghetto set up that worked perfect.
    It pretty funny how excited my 4 year old was that her tires are tubeless

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    So I was messing around with the banshee a bit today and agree about something not right in the drivetrain but I think it is more that the freewheel just is kind of crappy. Does anyone know if a White Industries ENO freewheel will work on this bike?

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    Hub is here; pictures soon. Trying to determine all the measurements I need for spokes... The tire says it's ETRTO size 40-305; does that mean it's 305mm ERD? Or do I need to measure the rim to ensure I get a new one (different hole pattern) that's compatible?

    I suppose I can take the hub and rear wheel to the bike shop for them to measure, if needed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDK View Post
    So I was messing around with the banshee a bit today and agree about something not right in the drivetrain but I think it is more that the freewheel just is kind of crappy. Does anyone know if a White Industries ENO freewheel will work on this bike?
    Not 100% certain, but I think the stock freewheel is 13T? Standard freewheels only go down to 16T and would probably fit on the opposite side of the hub (again, not certain, but I'd assume it's a flip flop hub with different threadings on each side)

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    it is different sizes on each side.
    crap! i gotta learn to climb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDK View Post
    So I was messing around with the banshee a bit today and agree about something not right in the drivetrain but I think it is more that the freewheel just is kind of crappy. Does anyone know if a White Industries ENO freewheel will work on this bike?
    Mine had the same problem, the front chainring is not round, I swapped it for a 22 tooth xt chain ring from my 9 speed and lost some weight and it was round again. Plus my kid could actually pedal uphill to boot.

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    I got my son the 20" carbon concepts fork from ebay, a deore 32h front hub and a sunringle 16" 32h wheel i found on amazon. Admitidly a little more than i wanted to spend but still cool that he will have a hydraulic front disc brake. Still have to get the wheel built but theres no rush because i wont pick up the bike until mid september ill post pics when everything is done!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dqook View Post
    I got my son the 20" carbon concepts fork from ebay, a deore 32h front hub and a sunringle 16" 32h wheel i found on amazon. Admitidly a little more than i wanted to spend but still cool that he will have a hydraulic front disc brake. Still have to get the wheel built but theres no rush because i wont pick up the bike until mid september ill post pics when everything is done!
    -DQ
    What are you using for a rear brake? Hopefully it is hydraulic as well... I've spent some time riding behind my 5 year old on his commecal Ramones 20, and a friends daughter on her savage 2.0 on the sidewinder trail in south lake tahoe, front brakes where not used by either, but tons of rear braking

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    Im leaving the rear stock because i dont want to have to weld mounts on the frame. I figure i would adjust the rear brake so it has less bite and kinda let the boy learn to use the front brake on his own. Trick the boy into some good habits. We will see the outcome later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dqook View Post
    Im leaving the rear stock because i dont want to have to weld mounts on the frame. I figure i would adjust the rear brake so it has less bite and kinda let the boy learn to use the front brake on his own. Trick the boy into some good habits. We will see the outcome later.
    Good luck, I've debated taking the front brake off, the young ones just don't have the strength to keep the bike in line under front braking. The banshee rear break was ok, but when my son moved up to the 20 inch bike disc brakes made a world of difference in how long he can ride. Comparing to a friends hot rock they are not in the same league.

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    My son is barely 2 and a half so the ammount of heavy braking he will be doing will be minimal. He is getting a bit big for the strider but still rides it. I have a feeling that we will be switching the bike with the strider back and fourth until he gets comfortable on the banshee. I got him a short stem and flat bar so i think he should sit pretty well. Again time will tell and we will adjust. Any pics of your kid's bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dqook View Post
    My son is barely 2 and a half so the ammount of heavy braking he will be doing will be minimal. He is getting a bit big for the strider but still rides it. I have a feeling that we will be switching the bike with the strider back and fourth until he gets comfortable on the banshee. I got him a short stem and flat bar so i think he should sit pretty well. Again time will tell and we will adjust. Any pics of your kid's bike?
    This weekends outing, the girls are adams (he posted earlier in this thread about banshees and shifting) one is on a banshee the other on a savage, mine is on his ramones. My daughter has a banshee as well but we didn't bring her with us...

    Here is some video of riding down sidewinder this weekend:
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    Sean riding his banshee on his pump track in the back yard:
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    Hi All,
    FYI, I recently found a low-rise replacement handlebar for the Banshee that does not require swapping stems. It is a 2" rise, BMX 1-piece "micro" bar with a stem clamp diameter compatible with the stock stem. The stock brake levers, stock grips, and add-on X-5 rear shifter went on just fine.

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    Got mine for $30 at Danscomp.

    FWIW, note that the FlyRacing red color does not at all match the Banshee red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evandy View Post
    Well, I bit the bullet and ordered an SRF-5 111mm hub ...
    My LBS has been looking for a 305mm rim with a 28-hole drilling. After about 2 weeks of searching, they can only find a steel one. I dropped the hub off with them to get measured and spokes cut. They don't have a spoke threader, so it may get sent out to Sapim, I'm told. Hopefully I'll have everything back in a couple weeks.

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    I just placed an order for a green banshee. Really excited for my son. His 12in hotrock has been put through the ringer and is on its last leg.

    Are there any upgrades that need to be done immediately? To run some new bars what size stem fits the steerer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trap121 View Post
    I just placed an order for a green banshee. Really excited for my son. His 12in hotrock has been put through the ringer and is on its last leg.

    Are there any upgrades that need to be done immediately? To run some new bars what size stem fits the steerer?
    Congrats and welcome to the club. Immediate upgrades to consider:
    1) Replace tires with something with dirt tread (lots of details earlier in this thread)

    2) If you want lower-rise bars (definitely improved things for my kid) and don't want to swap the stem, see my post above about the Fly Racing 2" riser bar that fits the stock stem. Alloy 2-Inch Micro Black Handlebars | FLY Racing | Professional grade Motocross, BMX, MTB, Offroad, ATV, Snowmobile, and Watercraft apparel and hard parts. $30 at Danscomp.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trap121 View Post
    Are there any upgrades that need to be done immediately?
    There is one and only one required upgrade when you get the bike... just add a rider.

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    I think if you do want to add something i would go with a stem and handlebar. I got my little boy a SHORT Stem from ebay for $7 the quality seems good cnc aluminum and it looks good. I also found a carbon fiber flat bar for $20. The kid is 3 years old so i dont think he needs race spec parts and it will be nice to shed some weight and get the handlebars at a better position for him. Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by trap121 View Post
    Are there any upgrades that need to be done immediately?
    is it flat where you live? If there are any hills I recommend lowering the gearing to get some low end grunt, he won't miss the high speeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkavan01 View Post
    is it flat where you live? If there are any hills I recommend lowering the gearing to get some low end grunt, he won't miss the high speeds.
    We have some hills, nothing big though.

    Can someone tell me what size the steerer is?? 1 1/8?

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    Steer tube is 1 1/8". The handlebar clamp is 7/8".
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    Quote Originally Posted by evandy View Post
    There is one and only one required upgrade when you get the bike... just add a rider.
    +1

    Stock gearing my daughter hits 14mph on flat ground before she cant spin any faster. It is very flat around where I live so its a bit easy for me to say but I would recommend keeping gearing the same and teach the kids how to generate power standing up. They will have a little trouble on steep hills but there is nothing wrong with walking up those. At 30lbs my daughter doesn't have enough weight to put on the pedals for steep stuff but has built some pretty impressive calf muscles since she got her bike and generates a decent amount of power now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDK View Post
    +1

    Stock gearing my daughter hits 14mph on flat ground before she cant spin any faster. It is very flat around where I live so its a bit easy for me to say but I would recommend keeping gearing the same and teach the kids how to generate power standing up. They will have a little trouble on steep hills but there is nothing wrong with walking up those. At 30lbs my daughter doesn't have enough weight to put on the pedals for steep stuff but has built some pretty impressive calf muscles since she got her bike and generates a decent amount of power now.
    At 30 pounds all these kids have is spinning, watching them stand and try to stomp through a climb is actually dangerous, I've seen more falls at a near standstill while losing balance... but I'm sure for flat areas it is perfect

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    How are the stock pedals? Does anyone have recommendations on shoes that stick to the pedals kind a like the adult size 510s? My boy (5yo) has a hard time keeping his feet on the pedals when going off jumps or drops

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    I'm gonna buy the 510's. Any suggestions on pedals for that small of a bike?

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    I have 2 girls, so its whatever came in pink

    Search for BMX MINI pedals in 9/16 spindle. there are lots of options although my 5 yo on her savage uses full size pedals

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    Any particular reason yours rides full size? Any benefit?

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    Not really...they were in the garage and gives them more pedal to keep their feet on. The ones i linked are thin which keeps them from clipping rocks, etc

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    I recently bought my 4 y.o. daughter a Banshee, so here's my experience just to add another data point.

    My daughter's having a blast. This is her first big-kid bike, before she had both a strider and a training-wheel bike. She picked up balancing & pedaling & handbrakes pretty quickly. She loves to ride it.

    I'm running the bike stock. To my eye, none of the parts are crying out for an upgrade. The crank Q-factor does seem wider than ideal, but whatever.

    I wasn't impressed with the quality of the assembly and packing. Our bike arrived with a way-out-of-true wheel, a big ding in the paint, and a sloppily-assembled rear wheel (the freewheel was too loose so the wheel locked up). Not at all what I expected when I dropped $400 on a kid's bike. But Spawn was responsive by email and refunded some money, so in the end it was a hassle but their response was appropriate.

    Size-wise, I was concerned my 4 year-old (a smallish girl) might outgrow the Banshee too soon, but my concern was unfounded. She's at the small end for fitting this bike (seat slammed, riser bars rotated back) and I don't expect her to outgrow it any time soon.

    Color-wise, I'm pleased. I loathe pink for girls, but my kid doesn't share my view, so pink we got. In person, it's a rich magenta not a frilly pink. Think girl-badass not little princess. She's happy, I'm happy.

    Bottom line, the Banshee was a good choice for us, and I'm looking forward to a lot of fun for us both.

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    Finaly got the boy his banshee. Got a short ebay stem and ebay carbon flat bars. He seems just a hair small for it but i think he will soon pick it up. Having a harder time pedaling than i thought he would but practice will make perfect.
    I have a disc 16" wheel that ill be putting toghether along with a carbon 20" fork and an hydro slx brake, as soon as he grows a little and gets comfy with the bike.

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    We had an issue with one of the fork dropouts being bent and some scuffs on the fork leg when it arrived, despite the box being in perfect condition. I contacted Max at Spawn and he replied within an hour or so and was quick to fix the issue. He shipped out a new fork immediately. Even with that issue I would not hesitate to buy from them again. My boys skills and pedaling have taken off almost instantly. He was coming off a 12' hotrock. He is smaller for his age and the bike fits perfect, with a little room for growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dqook View Post


    Finaly got the boy his banshee. Got a short ebay stem and ebay carbon flat bars. He seems just a hair small for it but i think he will soon pick it up. Having a harder time pedaling than i thought he would but practice will make perfect.
    I have a disc 16" wheel that ill be putting toghether along with a carbon 20" fork and an hydro slx brake, as soon as he grows a little and gets comfy with the bike.
    Why do so many people want to put disks up front at this age? It is asking for the kids to go over the bars...

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    Its his first time using handbrakes therefore he has no experience with anything else. He may go over the bars a couple of times but he will also have a head start in learning how to use disc brakes. Also with the reach adjustment on the slx lever you can really tone down the grip of the caliper. And its gonna look awesome.

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    My 3 year old's bike has an awesome v brake on the front and he uses it very well - can do an "emergency" stop , and go down steep hills using only front brake standing on his pedals

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    Regarding disc brakes, to each their own. I didn't put a disc brake on our Banshee, but would have if it didn't mean needing a new fork and building a new wheel for it. But that was the first upgrade on my daughter's 20" wheeled bike. Where we ride most of the time, it is 300 foot climbs then 300 foot downhills, repeat 3 or 4 times depending on the ride. But some rides are 3,000 foot climbs, and then 3,000 foot downhills. Our kids just don't have the hand strength endurance to do 3,000 foot downhills without some added help. And that added help was in form of a disc brake. If it wasn't for those downhills, I probably wouldn't have put it on her bike, but her having a smile all the way down and not complaining about her arm cramping up all the way down is worth it.

    And like said above, she loves anything that makes her bike more like mom and dads.

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    I've just reread my post and realised it isn't clear. I think disc brakes on the fron won't mean that the child goes over the bars - kids are more capable than you think.

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    It took forever to find parts, but our Banshee has now been upgraded with the 5-Speed Sturmey Archer SRF-5(W) 5-speed IGH. Initial ride reports are promising. The only major issue is that 1 is having trouble downshifting to lower gears; shifting up to higher gears is no problem. I may have to look for the trigger shifter at some point. I hate sinking even more money into this, but if she can't manage to shift in both directions, that will be indicated, I think.

    The only LBS that could find a 305mm 28-hole rim had only one rim they could find... a steel chromed one. Too bay they couldn't find a nice black Aluminum rim, but everything worked out. I was going to build the wheel myself, but they had to send it out to Sapim to get spokes cut to the right length, and at that point, having Sapim build the wheel was minor.
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    One hiccup when I went to install the wheel... apparently the chain that comes on the banshee is NOT a single-speed chain. The sprocket on the Sturmey-Archer hub is too wide to fit into the chain!
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    A quick trip to REI (closer than the 45 minute away LBS) gets a new SRAM single speed chain.
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    Fits much better now!
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    Grip-shifter fits on the 22mm bars that come with the Banshee just fine.
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    I had to buy a sturmey archer frame cable stop for the rear to transition from housing to bare cable for the hub. Fits just fine; this is the 19.1mm "Chainstay Fulcrum Clip"
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    I'll try to get some riding photos tomorrow... the install went really well, and when we went out to test it, we forgot to bring the camera along. All in all, I'd call this a really easy install/setup... but a #$% to get parts. On the plus side, there's no derailer hanging down ready to hit the ground.

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    What tires have you guys found to work well for trail riding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trap121 View Post
    What tires have you guys found to work well for trail riding?
    We've been having great success with the Kenda K50 2.125. It's nice and fat to soak up the bumps, esp at low pressure. Easily available and inexpensive. See it in action in Vancouver's North Shore trails here:

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    My little girl (4 yo) got a banshee for christmas, she loves it and rides it to daycare every morning, neighborhood trails after school, and MTB trails on weekends. It has had the 2.4" tires on it since day one, the black jacks went on her backup bike.

    The gearing has been a minor issue on the trails so thanks to this thread I gathered the parts to convert to 2-speed and had the local shop, Beyond Bikes put it together. They did an excellent job setting it up properly and even test rode it.

    We tested it tonight and in low gear she rode right through every spot that gave her trouble previously. She is very pleased and is excited to hit the MTB trails this weekend! No more steel bash guard, Mom might be not so pleased when she sees her greasy pant leg.


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    Glad to hear the mods are working well for your daughter, honeydew!

    Quote Originally Posted by honeydew View Post
    No more steel bash guard, Mom might be not so pleased when she sees her greasy pant leg.
    If needed, it's easy to put the stock bashring on and keep the two chainrings. You just need 3.8mm chainring spacers instead of the stock ones, and then either enlarge the holes on smaller chainring or install the bolts backwards.

    This will also improve chainline so everything runs a bit smoother. More info can be found here: adding another gear

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    Thanks for the info CeUnit. Maybe I'll add it back, will decide after some more riding. That sucker is heavy though! Gotta further evaluate Momma vs. snag issues vs. clean look and weight. No rocks here to bash so that is not an issue.

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    Here we go ... my latest build for when my son turns 4 this spring: Spawn Banshee with 2x1 transmission and air fork. It weighs in at 19 lbs (stock is 15 lbs).

    The fork modification is non-trivial so I'll just focus on the transmission since that's something readers can replicate with widely available parts.

    So for the transmission, I replicated the 2x1 setup that I did for the smaller version of this bike as described in Spawn Furi 14" Mod - Adding Another Gear. Except this time I added a front derailleur and a thumb shifter.

    Notable parts involved:
    • 64BCD 22T chainring ($16 at Amazon) with holes enlarged to fit stock chainring bolts
    • Stock chainring bolts
    • Stock chainring and bashguard
    • 8 pcs of 3.8mm (10mm ID) middle chainring spacers ($18 for 20 at Wheels Mfg)
    • Shimano SIS derailleur hanger adaptor ($5 at Amazon)
    • Summit Godspeed SS Tensioner ($26 at Amazon)
    • Any multi-speed chain ($10 at Amazon)
    • Shimano XT FD-M785 Front Derailleur - Double ($40 at Amazon; not ideal since chainline doesn't match so I have the limit screws set to the extremes; bike's chainline = 43mm, derailleur's = 48.8mm; but still works)
    • Origin8 28.6 Alloy Cable Stop ($8 at Amazon)
    • Shimano TZ20 Left Friction Shifter ($5)


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    Question for Banshee users: isn't the stock bar too high for a 4-4.5 YO kid? It looks more BMX-oriented than trail-oriented.

    My boy now rides a low rise bar on his Hotrock 12 (the stock Hotrock bar), and it works great on the uphills.

    Is the an alternative? (a low rise, light alloy bar that fits the 22.2 mm-clamp of the original stem)

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    This is what we used, cut them down a tad, worked great:

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    It sounds like your Spawn was shipped from Canada to US. Do you recall how it was shipped and whether there were any brokerage fees to pay to UPS or FedEx? From what I can tell, there shouldn't be any duty on a complete kids bike. I'm fine paying the $30 shipping fee, but not excited about any surprise customs brokerage fees on arrival. I'm hoping it's just shipped via Canada Post and USPS.

    Thanks

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    Mine shipped via Canadian percolator (the cheapest option) and connected to UPS. It took less than a day for it to get from shipment through US customs, so a good estimate for you would be however long it takes UPS to get from Seattle to you plus one day. I didn't have any extra customs fees or duties.

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    Cool. I'm also in Seattle. Kind of a tough choice whether to just make the 6 hour drive to Vancouver to get one. From earlier posts it sounds like some people got hit with the UPS brokerage fee, but mostly not. Appreciate the feedback.

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    My sons new Banshee arrived today!! the bike looks awesome. Its the US version and I definitely need to cut the Seat post down before any riding.

    My question to you Banshee owners is.. The fly/coaster wheel seems kind of stiff... When I just spin the peddle backwards not engaging any tire rotation. its seems a bit hard to move and bumpy almost. Not like any of my previous road bikes that were butter smooth. Is the bumpyness for children? more resistance for some reason?

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    Same thing happened with ours. The chain is too tight for the not-particularly-round chainring. Loosen the wheel and spin the cranks backwards until the chain is just tightening up at the tightest point (the wheel should be pulled forward a bit during this process. The chain will seem loose in other spots, but it *should* be tight enough to just pop off. Maybe. Probably. (In other words, verify that it doesn't pop off easily). Make sure the wheel is straight and then double check the chain tension and then tighten everything up. Then make sure the brakes are still reasonably centered on the rim. Probably the rim didn't move enough to affect the brakes, but you should still check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by work765 View Post
    My sons new Banshee arrived today!! the bike looks awesome. Its the US version and I definitely need to cut the Seat post down before any riding.

    My question to you Banshee owners is.. The fly/coaster wheel seems kind of stiff... When I just spin the peddle backwards not engaging any tire rotation.
    Coaster hubs are hit and miss in quality control... some are OK.....some are not.... Most I have tried are fairly stiff and offer way too much resistance.... in Europe kids don't do coaster brakes - they use hand brakes right away. They seem to be getting along just fine on their bikes.

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    I am curious how many here had issues with the wheels being wobbly. Our Banshee came out of the box with both wheels so wobbly that I cannot properly adjust the brakes - they either rub rub rub on every rotation, or they are too loose. Really annoying. No resolution thus far as Spawn family has been away and are behind on emails.

    There were other issues but none that I could not fix myself. The wheels and brakes, however are a major component.

    The frame, thankfully is good - nice and straight with nice welds. Front fork weld ever so slightly off, but nothing I'm going to cry about. Wheel still seems reasonably in the center of the forks as long as I don't overtighten.

    Anyone know the proper nipple size on the spokes? I measured and got about 3.15mm .... maybe I'm clamping on too tight with the micrometer? Will a 3.23mm Park Tool work? I need to get these wheels trued so that I can stop running alongside my daughter and slowing her down. My knees are not what they used to be. Brakes are disabled at the moment only because she is just learning (turned 3), and removing the extra variable actually helped her learn to ride the bike.

    Someone asked about spoke nipple size early on in the thread, but I didn't see it answered? Anyone?
    thanks in advance.

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    To answer my own question - spoke size is 3.23mm. So a Park Tool SW-0 should work fine. Max was able to provide me with the information I needed. Thanks to all for taking the time to post your modifications. This is something I am looking into.

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    Hello all, I am new to this site and new to posting on forums as well. I apologize in advance if I am doing anything wrong or posting in the wrong place since I really have no idea what I am doing.

    I am in desperate need of some advice, opinions and information ASAP. In retrospect, I should have posted here long ago when I decided to buy my nephew a Spawn Furi for his upcoming birthday but at that time I was absolutely certain the Furi was the right sized bike for him. Now that I have the bike in hand and it is weeks from his birthday I am second guessing my decision and wondering if I shouldn't have gotten the Banshee instead. Of course he had to have an unexpected growth spurt in the last 2 months which didn't help.

    So the background, he has been on a Strider since 12 months and is a confident and competent rider, scooting feet up with great balance especially while turning and able to ride without looking where he is going. Recent pics on his Strider make him look huge on it with the regular seat post and bars (not XL) at their max height. He has to bend his knees quite a bit now and has recently taken some spills, I think from being top heavy(?) on the bike now and possibly from the wheels being too small. He has never really crashed on his Strider before, except for last winter with the ski attachments and I think he was doing that on purpose. ;-)

    He is on the small side for his age (turning 4 in August), currently 40 inches tall with only a 15 inch inseam, as I'm being told (yes I confirmed measurement was from crotch to floor). I'm told the seat on the Strider is at 16 inches and it probably should be higher judging from the amount his knees are bent in recent videos I've seen.

    Can anyone with one of the newer Banshee's help me out with some measurements? I didn't realize that the newer Banshees were "shorter and stouter" until a few days ago. Stand over height at the mid point of the top tube and height from ground to the of the top of the seat slammed all the way down (cut down seat post obviously) would be the most helpful. Length from end of front tire to end of rear tire would be great so I can compare how much longer, overall, the Banshee is over the Furi.

    I am also open to any opinions or suggestions that anyone might have to offer regarding the fitment. Since this is his first pedal bike, I would prefer that he be able to comfortably stand over the bike flat footed. He also has no experience with hand brakes so I want to make sure he can use his feet in the beginning to slow down if necessary. I'd also like him to be able to "touch" the ground while fully seated.

    The Spawn bikes are not cheap and I'd like him to get as much use as possible from his new bike. Since he looks way too big on the 12 inch Strider right now, I am wondering if the 14 inch Furi might be too small to begin with or quickly become too small. But I don't want to get the Banshee unless I am absolutely certain it won't be too big right now. Not to mention then I have to figure out what to do with the Furi I already bought.

    Also if anybody happens to have a Furi and a NEW Banshee and could post side by side pics that would be amazingly helpful! Also side by side pics of a 12 inch Strider and either the Furi or Banshee would also be great!

    Thank you all so much for your help and sorry about my long first post!

    PS: My Furi also seems to have shipped with slightly out of round wheels and definitely an out of round front sprocket which caused the chain to pinch as other people have reported on this forum. It initially seemed like there was a problem with the freewheel hub not being smooth but loosening the chain made a big difference. Trying to adjust the rear wheel to loosen the chain required some brute force as the rear axle bolts were REALLY clamped down tight. It also appears possible that the bottom bracket spindle might be slightly bent. Not deal breakers and I doubt my 4 year old nephew will notice those things but definitely a little disappointing when you pay so much for a new bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by auntiekuhnuh View Post
    He is on the small side for his age (turning 4 in August), currently 40 inches tall with only a 15 inch inseam, as I'm being told (yes I confirmed measurement was from crotch to floor)
    Definitely a Banshee. My son is exactly 40" tall and already has the seat about 1.5" up. We have a Furi as well that he rode for 1 year and now looks a bit small on.


    Good luck!

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    Sigh, that's what I was afraid of. I was going by Spawn's sizing chart that says minimum 16.5 inch inseam for the Banshee and 15 inch for the Furi but I wonder if that is for the old Banshee, not the new "shorter and stouter" one. CDK posted earlier in this thread that the Banshee fit his 38.5 inch tall/15.5 inch inseam daughter just fine and the pics seem to indicate that as well. I'm thinking I better just suck it up and buy the Banshee and try and sell the Furi.

    Any chance you could post a pic of both bikes side by side? And the stand over height on the Banshee?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by auntiekuhnuh View Post
    Sigh, that's what I was afraid of. I was going by Spawn's sizing chart that says minimum 16.5 inch inseam for the Banshee and 15 inch for the Furi but I wonder if that is for the old Banshee, not the new "shorter and stouter" one. CDK posted earlier in this thread that the Banshee fit his 38.5 inch tall/15.5 inch inseam daughter just fine and the pics seem to indicate that as well. I'm thinking I better just suck it up and buy the Banshee and try and sell the Furi.

    Any chance you could post a pic of both bikes side by side? And the stand over height on the Banshee?

    Thanks!
    Forgot to mention his inseam is 15.5". His other friends who are a tad shorter (maybe by an inch?) also ride Banshees. Note all the Banshees i speak of are the newer version.

    Really the difference between the bikes is the full cockpit size as it's not really the height that should be of concern. My 4yo is starting to get pretty crammed in the Furi (he rode it again today for a few moments).

    I've lent the Furi to a friend now until my younger son needs it so I can't post side by side pics. I can't reliably measure standover height cuz I've upgraded the Banshee's fork so the bike sits higher than stock.
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    Yeah, I hear ya regarding the wheels.... my Banshee wheels are still out of round... so much that I cannot adjust the brakes so I just disengaged them for now.... I've been so busy I haven't had time to true the wheels yet... I just run along side my daughter.

    So to be quite frank about it, and don't take offense, the Furi is a waste of money because, as you said, kids encounter huge growth spurts. My daughter is 40.5" tall and her inseem is about 15.5". The Banshee is just fine for her. People put too much emphasis on "straddling"... being able to straddle upright is not going to stop your 3 or 4 year old from falling at all. I mean, you are already at a dead stop, so who cares if the bike leans to one side - they are not going to get hurt at a dead stop. While straddling my 3 year old can't start peddling from that position anyway - its very difficult - she can't start from that position because her body is too far forward and she can't see the pedals really well.

    Anyway.... I was worried too in the beginning, but I'm glad I went straight from a 12" push bike to a 16" Banshee with her. The seat on the Banshee goes SO LOW that at it's lowest position my daughter's legs are so bent (40.5" tall) that she doesn't have enough power to pedal and it makes it awkward for her... I can see it's not enjoyable.... so from the Banshee's lowest position I raised the seat about 1" or 2" and that straightened up her legs a bit.... still bent too much for my liking, but she can still lean to one side and get her foot down easily. Not a problem. I also replaced the stock seat with a much more comfortable seat I bought off of Amazon.... Velo Junior seat, I believe.... much better fit.

    Longer bikes are more stable.... so that's a good thing.

    And what you said about your son putting his feet down to stop on the Furi - that's dangerous and if it were ME, I would not let him get used to that idea. My daughter did that a couple times and got her heels caught under the pedals while the bike was moving and it hurt.... silly idea and not recommended...she quickly learned not to do that.....if he does that while going fast, I can only pray for him and close my eyes.

    Next week I'm going to activate just the back brake.... kids at 3 and 4 years should not be using both brakes just yet.... back brake adjusted just enough to slow them down and not let them come to a screeching halt is the safest way.... once they master the back brake, you introduce the front brake.... Always one variable at a time....

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    Thanks for your frank comments and thoughts, no offense taken at all, in fact I really appreciate them.

    I had never thought about the fact that it might be dangerous for my nephew to drag his feet to try and stop, yikes! That was an eye opener. And I totally agree with very soft back brake only first and work in front brake later.

    As far as being able to straddle the bike, it was more of a concern for me that he feels confident and in control of the bike, not too high up. And I agree that with the seat down low enough for them to touch the ground that it is not at all an ideal pedaling position/height but they have to start somewhere. Since it will be his first pedal bike I want it to be a positive and non-threatening experience. Once he is more experienced I know he will have no trouble riding bikes that are technically too big for him as long as his feet can reach the pedals.

    As far as the out of round wheels and other issues, the rear wheel was not too bad, but the front one is definitely pretty out of whack. Not just side to side wobble but it appears that maybe the hub is not quite centered which gives a cam type effect as the wheel spins.

    I'm pretty sure the front wheel can be trued and fixed but the thing with the out of round front sprocket really bothers me. If it were my bike there is no way I would find that acceptable because I would feel it every time I pedaled. Does the fact that my 4 year old nephew will probably never notice it make a difference? It does make a difference to me. I notice.

    Overall, right now I am pretty disappointed. I was so excited about this bike for my nephew and I was the one who talked my mom into chipping in on it with me for his upcoming birthday. I havenít even told my mom yet because I am afraid of her disappointment and what she will say.

    My boyfriend thought I was crazy to spend this kind of money on a bike and he is less than impressed. He thinks I should just send the Furi back and buy something else. He thinks it is absolutely insane that I am actually thinking about buying the Banshee now, especially given the fact that the new bike will probably have the same issues I am seeing on the Furi.

    I may just decide to cut my losses, keep the Furi to get him started even though it might be on the small side, and then sell it as soon as I think he is ready and buy a different 16 inch bike. I'm so conflicted and disappointed right now, although I otherwise love the bike I'm starting to agree with my boyfriend.

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    You are not crazy or insane. If everyone in the world cared about things with as much attention to detail as you (and me), the world would be a better place.

    You wanted the best. I wanted the best and lightest bike for my daughter. Grandma chipped in too because we couldn't afford it. The mass of the bikes for 4 year olds is the problem - force = mass x acceleration. Greater the mass, bigger the impact when you hit something, and harder it is to stop.

    You wanted the best and you got warped wheels and out of round gears. Out of round gears is not so bad, but the out of round wheels will make it difficult to fine adjust the brakes properly.

    I feel your pain. I was in the same situation. I can't afford to start taking this bike to a bike shop, so I am forced to fix it myself.

    Have you spoken to Spawn and asked them nicely if they would be willing to do an exchange or trade-in? Maybe they can re-sell your bike at one of the bike shops in town. It doesn't hurt to ask. Given the issues with this one, I'd try and exchange it for a Banshee.

    The first bike that was delivered to me was a Woom 16" from the USA. That was a disaster, as the handlebar stem was messed up and the frame was bent (off). Fantastic bike, otherwise. All suppliers have manufacturing issues now and again. It's a given. I took a chance on a Spawn, and the only thing wrong was the wheels. So you suck it up and realize that perhaps Taiwan manufacturing can only be so good at the $500 price point.

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    @ bjr72

    Any chance you could measure the stand over height on your daughter's Banshee for me?

    Thanks!

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    Thank you bjr72. It helps that you can relate to what I am feeling.

    You're absolutely right, I did want the best and that is why I paid so much. My two biggest factors were weight and size since my nephew is on the small size for his age. That is also why I also bought the more expensive Strider for him instead of a cheaper balance bike. And no coaster brake was the only other limiting factor.

    I did email Spawn twice, immediately after I received the bike and it dawned on me that it might be too small and then once again a few days later as I started noticing the problems with it since I needed to partially assemble it to really assess if it was indeed too small. Unfortunately I have not received a response at all yet and I am running out of time so I am starting to get anxious.

    Thanks for the heads up on the Woom, it was definitely a contender. I really do believe the Spawn is the best bike, I did a ton of research and it was not a decision taken lightly. I also could not afford it on my own and that is why I talked my mom (Grandma) into chipping in.

    It is unfortunate about the manufacturing defects. My boyfriend seemed to think that at that scale even miniscule defects would translate into noticeable problems.

    Thanks for understanding. I am definitely a very particular, attention to detail kind of person!

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    bjr72, any chance you could post the stand over height on your daughter's Banshee? I tried to post the question earlier but something happened and it never showed up. Thanks!

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    You got me at a good time.... planning on an ebay purchase so I am monitoring the computer every now and again.
    The stand over height is between 15 1/2 and 16" roughly from what I could measure, depending of course, how far forward the child decides to straddle. I wouldn't worry too much about flat feet on the ground... he has to get used to tip toes.

    Try calling Spawn... they are a family operation, so I don't know how much they can do for you, but I would certainly try. Nothing to lose. Their toll free number should be on their US or Canadian website.

    I don't know how much time you get to spend with your nephew, but it took me everyday, 1/2 to 1 hour each day, for 2 weeks to get my daughter to transition from 12" balance bike (I removed the pedals, cranks, and hub assembly) to 12" bicycle (I reassembled everything back together). I just used a cheap 15 year old 12" bike and converted it to a push (balance) bike... Any bicycle can be made into a balance bike, as long as the seat goes low enough and the child's feet touch flat on the ground in order to "push"..... thereafter, 2 or 3 more weeks of riding the 12" without training wheels and I knew she could ride something bigger.

    The 16" Woom was a beautiful bike... if only they could work out the manufacturing problems, it's a better, more relaxed ride.... it's made more for cruising with longer wheelbase, and a novel curved design for the toptube to allow easier and safer straddling. The wheels on the Woom were spot on... no wobble at all...the kickstand and seat were luxurious.. too bad the frame was not great. Your boyfriend is right.... the smaller you go, it's much harder to weld things in a straight line, especially by eye alone. You need really good and consistent jigs during the welding process.

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    bjr72, once again your input has been extremely helpful to me.

    I will be seeing my nephew for a full 2 weeks for his birthday while I am on vacation and then throughout the year I see him sporadically for a weekend here and there about once every 2-3 months. Based on your experience with your daughter I think I will keep the Furi for now since this is his very first pedal bike experience.

    I will work extensively with him during the 2 weeks I am there but once I am gone, although my sister will encourage him to ride, she will not be able to be as hands on as me as she also has a young baby to manage.

    For that reason, I think the Furi will be a better starter bike because he will most certainly be able to manage it completely on his own. He will be able to throw his leg over it without help, he will be able to stand over it, and most importantly he should be able to get up on the saddle and hopefully scoot himself into motion with his feet if he has trouble getting the bike moving with the pedals at first. I could start with the saddle on the low side and gradually raise it up to a better riding position once he figures the bike out.

    With the Banshee, he probably will not be able to get his leg over the top tube right now without someone else helping/holding the bike, he will be very tippy toed just to stand over it, and he probably will not be able to get into the saddle and/or get it moving without assistance. And the saddle would have to be all the way down which is not an ideal pedaling height.

    Once I am gone, it is unlikely he will get much, if any, riding in on the Banshee if he needs that much assistance. At least with the Furi, he will be able to muscle it around by himself and hopefully ride it independently after a two week crash course with me.

    By the way, Elena from Spawn did finally respond to my emails and she seemed to think that the Banshee would be too big for my nephew right now. They were open to discussing a return but they were reluctant to do so without me at least having my nephew try on the Furi for size, which I can understand. She also addressed my concerns about the issues with the wheels and the front sprocket and gave some helpful suggestions. She indicated that their "tolerances" for their sprockets and machine trued wheels were quite high by industry standards and for their price point.

    Thanks again for your very helpful input and comments. I think I am finally at peace with my decision.

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    I have had my sons Banshee for about a year now & had the constant problem with the stock grips slowly sliding off the bars. Each time before we would ride I would twist them back into place, while cursing the entire time because the brake levers make it a pain for my big paws to do it.

    Well....my wife took him out the other day & by the time they got back the grips were half off the bars. It finally popped into my head to measure the diameter, I assumed it was smaller than a real bar. Sure enough its the same as all my other bars, so I took a old pair of lock on grips and cut them down to length with a hack saw. It only has one lock ring on the end of the bar & a set of used end plugs but works great.

    I was irritated with myself for taking so long to figure this out, its a great "mod" to these little bikes that can stop some discomfort for your child.
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