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    Cannondale 24" race 21 speed

    This looks like a great kids bike, atleast a good frame and air fork, are there any owners on mtbr yet?
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    Good looking bike. Its been a while since Cannondale had a 24.
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    Looks to be a nice bike. I'm looking for something similar. I might have to go check this out. For some reason, I think I blew it off thinking the fork was probably sprung too stiff like on the Spec Hotrocks.

    I've been looking into the Scott Scale JR 24 (SCOTT Scale JR 24 Bike - SCOTT Sports)

    It seems to be similar, but for me, it may come down to the quality of the fork.

    I was trying to find specs on the RST fork on the 'Dale but no luck.
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    Reading the comments in a few other threads re the RST F1rst air (do a search) I think its supposed to be pretty good, the only other bike I belevie this fork comes on is the Scott Scale RC which is double the price of the Cannondale and not available in Australia.
    Decent forks are few and far between with kids bikes and it seems very difficult to buy aftermarket. My sons forks on his 20" hotrock offer basically no suspension, adds more than couple of kg's in weight and after 18 months the bushes in them are so worn out there is more travel front to back than up and down...

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    Quote Originally Posted by marti View Post
    Reading the comments in a few other threads re the RST F1rst air (do a search) I think its supposed to be pretty good, the only other bike I belevie this fork comes on is the Scott Scale RC which is double the price of the Cannondale and not available in Australia.
    Decent forks are few and far between with kids bikes and it seems very difficult to buy aftermarket. My sons forks on his 20" hotrock offer basically no suspension, adds more than couple of kg's in weight and after 18 months the bushes in them are so worn out there is more travel front to back than up and down...
    Home Page has or had 20 and 24 inch air forks for sale. Put one on my son's Marin.

    At $550 it's right in between the Marin Disc and Specialized Disk 24 inch bikes.

    If my son had liked the color I would have gone with one of the non disc specialized for $430 or $380 depending on if you 1x or 2x gearing and added the air shock and disc.
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    I'm gonna take a look at that Cannondale today at a LBS. I looked at a Giant XCT. Not too bad. The fork is actually softer than the one that comes on Hotrocks and Trek bikes.

    TAlking with the shop guy, it looks like the Scott Scale JR comes with cassette hub instead of freewhee (like on the Giant) also it has bolted triple ring instead of rivetted (like on the Giant.) The Giant is 27# without pedals (as weighed on the shop scale.)

    But at $420, is about $100 cheaper than the JR.

    So do I pay $100 more to be able to use cassette cogs and the option to swap a bashguard for the big ring?

    Looks like the Dale is right inline with the JR. So I might be tempted to go that route if the fork is really compliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by traffic002 View Post
    I'm gonna take a look at that Cannondale today at a LBS. I looked at a Giant XCT. Not too bad. The fork is actually softer than the one that comes on Hotrocks and Trek bikes.

    TAlking with the shop guy, it looks like the Scott Scale JR comes with cassette hub instead of freewhee (like on the Giant) also it has bolted triple ring instead of rivetted (like on the Giant.) The Giant is 27# without pedals (as weighed on the shop scale.)

    But at $420, is about $100 cheaper than the JR.

    So do I pay $100 more to be able to use cassette cogs and the option to swap a bashguard for the big ring?

    Looks like the Dale is right inline with the JR. So I might be tempted to go that route if the fork is really compliant.
    I personally think the bolted rings are important. When I put the shorten cranks on my son's bike with real chain rings, he noticed a huge improvement when trying to up shift the front.

    All the cranks I've seen on kids bikes have shitty rings which makes the front upshift hard on smaller, weaker hands.
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    Re: Cannondale 24" race 21 speed

    Traffic002, I look forward to your comments after you see one in person as I have no opportunity to do that before ordering...

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    I wasn't able to make it into my LBS this weekend.

    I just got off the phone with them to see if they have in stock. They do.

    So I'm gonna see if I can stop by this evening.

    But initially, compared to the Scott Scale JR 24", some key differences are:

    Rivetted chainrings vs bolt
    freewheel hub vs cassette
    air adjustable fork vs softly "sprung" coil fork

    Also factoring in that my local LBS carries the 'Dale. While I have to go out of my way to order the Scott from another bike shop much farther away.

    I've abandoned trying to get a featherweight bike. I think I am going to focus more on gears that make sense and shifters that would work smoothly. And probably most key is a fork that would actually work for my boy with his weight and the trails we will be riding on (roots, rocks, wet, singletrack)
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    I picked up the same cannondale for my 8 year old son. With the weather he hasn't ridden it too much but says he loves it so far. When I compressed the fork I noticed that the rebound was really slow coming back up. I did not see a rebound adjuster anywhere but didn't look too hard. Other than that the bike seems really nice.

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    I ordered this bike today. Hopefully it works out well for my son. Looks like they have a "medium" and "large" version of the bike. I believe the Top tube length is different on each.
    Not sure if this is standard with other brands.

    thanks for the replies.

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    Hi, is there a rebound adjuster on the bottom of the right fork leg?

    Reading this thread

    RST F1RST Air 24"

    and post #100 has a close up image of a rebound adjuster on the RST F1RST Air 24 however I cant see one on the image on the cannondale website, maybe cannondale have gone for a cheaper version of the fork with no adjustable rebound, hope not...

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    Damn, I hope not because that comes up really slow. I will have to check later.

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    I took a look at the Cannondale today. Only for a short time.

    The action on the fork is much nicer than anything else I've felt on kids bike. Actually has damping. It's air adjust for weight. The fork that comes on the 'dale doesn't have the rebound knob. Or maybe it fell off? But wasn't there.

    It seems to have a friendlier standover than the Spec' XC bike. But the Spec looks to have a slightly nicer drivetrain.

    Weighed both bikes with plastic platform pedals.

    'Dale = 25.7#
    XC = 27.01#

    Now the XC did have an aluminum kickstand on it and wheel reflectors. But I was pleasantly surprised at the weight of the 'Dale.

    This might be a good bike right out of the box. And possibly have a good platform for some upgrades. I might try my hand at building wheels again with my buddy's old XT hubs from his Ibis Alibi. That and my spare X9 RD could help shave some weight.

    But just wondering what kind of crankset options there are without breaking the bank.
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    BTW, in that picture of the aftermarket version of the fork shows an adjustable compression damping. The fork on the 'Dale just has a lock-out dial. Works very smooth and well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by traffic002 View Post
    I took a look at the Cannondale today. Only for a short time.

    The action on the fork is much nicer than anything else I've felt on kids bike. Actually has damping. It's air adjust for weight. The fork that comes on the 'dale doesn't have the rebound knob. Or maybe it fell off? But wasn't there.

    It seems to have a friendlier standover than the Spec' XC bike. But the Spec looks to have a slightly nicer drivetrain.

    Weighed both bikes with plastic platform pedals.

    'Dale = 25.7#
    XC = 27.01#

    Now the XC did have an aluminum kickstand on it and wheel reflectors. But I was pleasantly surprised at the weight of the 'Dale.

    This might be a good bike right out of the box. And possibly have a good platform for some upgrades. I might try my hand at building wheels again with my buddy's old XT hubs from his Ibis Alibi. That and my spare X9 RD could help shave some weight.

    But just wondering what kind of crankset options there are without breaking the bank.

    I got these for my son and had him shorten the ones that came on my daughters Shred 2.0
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    Man I just saw the all black 24 inch with a rigid lefty. kinda badass

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    Damn, I just double checked and noticed that there is no rebound adjuster.

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    Yeah, the fork on the Race looked pretty basic with only lock-out adjustment. Still, the action on the fork felt pretty good.

    I saw some thread about setting up the fork. Someone was recommending 25% sag. I don't know if I agree with that. I tried that on my own Sektor Fork on a hardtail. But maybe that's my own riding style. The larger sag makes the fork mushy when I'm out of the saddle which is about 50% of the time. Also, I prefer to bounce off of roots and rocks a little more to help me clear a group of obstacles rather than soaking each one individually.

    Now I will say that it allows the front wheel to track better on bumpy surfaces especially in a turn. And maybe for an inexperienced rider that is better. So we'll see. At least it is a setting that you can play around with.
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    Hey guys,

    So I ended up getting the Cannondale for my son's birthday present. I've decided to keep it stock as long as possible. Maybe he'll grow into the 26" XS sooner than later. We'll see.

    So first ride out Saturday. Very interesting. I took him out to Duthie Hill Park near my house. It's a man-made bike park that has XC to DH trails. Lots of practice areas for all range of skill levels.

    So couple of notes.

    I have to check the air pressure in the forks. On the trail, it didn't move for him. So it may be set with too much preload. He was pretty much riding a rigid fork. Mind you, my son is small at 10y/o. 53" and 62#.

    Lots of pedal strikes. I don't know if I need to get shorter crankset or flatter pedals or what. Obviously he's gotta learn how to time his pedal strokes eventually. But there is not much ground clearance with his pedal in the down position. This makes cresting a rocky bump or slight leans as he climbs very challenging with the number of pedal strikes.

    The pedal strikes bother him more than anything. But after the ride, he asked me when the next time we were going to ride again. Hopefully sooner than later.
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    The pedal strikes are probably due to the fact that every kids bike comes with cranks that are too long for a kid.

    I bought shortened cranks for my kids from SRAM S600 MTB crankarms Shortened
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    So the specs on the 'Dale says 152mm cranks. What length would be more appropriate?

    BTW, are the threads for the BB standard on the Cannondale? Can I just swap out the BB and thus run the crankset?
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    So I don't know much about BB other than Shimano hollowtech. But looks like the 'Dale comes with square taper BB with Suntour alloy 152mm cranks. (no spec info on BCD).

    But I read in another Orbea build thread of OP picking up Sinz 145mm cranks. I looked online and Amazon lists them for $45. Then I suppose I'd have to pick up a couple chainrings and a bash?

    I guess I don't need to care about BCD of OEM crankset since I have to buy new rings anyway (the OEM rings are pinned.)

    Does this sound right?

    Also...(apologies) my son's old Redline Proline Mini has 145mm square taper crankset. Can I just pull the cranks off of it and swap 'em onto the Canndale?
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    Oh, about the fork. Yeah, it didn't move much. My son would have done better to ride a rigid fork. When I got home, I checked the air pressure and it was set at 40psi. The chart calls for 20-40 kg at 30-40psi. I guess my son is 28kg. So maybe I'll try the 30psi setting. Although it seems more like he can't blow past the initial stiction in the fork.

    I can only hope it'll break in over time and that my son will get a little bigger and ride more aggressively soon...
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    Quote Originally Posted by traffic002 View Post

    Also...(apologies) my son's old Redline Proline Mini has 145mm square taper crankset. Can I just pull the cranks off of it and swap 'em onto the Canndale?
    It looks like the redline probably came setup as a singlespeed? Square taper crank should easily interchange but can the redline crank accomidate additional chainrings or are you willing to give up front shifting? a 152mm crank does not sound terribly long for a 24" wheeled bike. How big/old is your kid, might help to determine crank length. If the pedals are really wide and clunky, some slimmer pedals could be a good upgrade to also help reduce ground-stikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrayJay View Post
    It looks like the redline probably came setup as a singlespeed? Square taper crank should easily interchange but can the redline crank accomidate additional chainrings or are you willing to give up front shifting? a 152mm crank does not sound terribly long for a 24" wheeled bike. How big/old is your kid, might help to determine crank length. If the pedals are really wide and clunky, some slimmer pedals could be a good upgrade to also help reduce ground-stikes.

    The Redline crankset is truly single speed. I'm fine with losing the front shifting on the Cannodale.

    I think the 3-rings are actually quite a joke. Confuses the hell out of my son as he's just trying to keep up with proper pedal positioning as he goes through the single track. He gets the rear shifting. But the front shifting is so awkward in action. What the heck do these kids need a big ring for??? The small ring, I can sorta understand...

    Oh, my son is 53" tall and about 64#.
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    Redline cranks probably would be a good change for time being and would loose some weight and complexity. Might just want to leave the front derailler locked in place over the chainring as a chain-guard but you could remove the cables and shifter. After he grows a bit and aquires more confidence with shifting, you can always go back to a longer double or triple crank.
    Agree that providing kids with gearing choice only appropirate for bombing down a hill at 30+ mph is not a great idea!

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    Hi guys, I'm looking at this bike for my 8 y/o daughter. I saw on here and heard from one shop that it comes in two sizes (?) The C-dale site's geo link is dead so I can't look there. Their specs page doesn't mention it. Is it true? And if so, does the TT get longer by much going from a M to L? I did see 310mm and 340mm an online store's site, I'm guessing those numbers are the seatpost's? Thanks.

    BTW the shock is super plush feeling compared to the spring one's on Scott, etc.

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    Can you fit the X9 RD on the Dale when it is a 7-Speed freewheel? My kid have the GT Stomper 24 that come with the 7-Speed freewheel and I am stuck with Tourney RD and when I replace it with a EZ-Fire swifter i have a hard time shifting to the lowest gear. The LBS told me I need to lace a new 24 wheel with a 9-speed hub in order to perform any upgrade.

    Quote Originally Posted by traffic002 View Post
    I took a look at the Cannondale today. Only for a short time.

    The action on the fork is much nicer than anything else I've felt on kids bike. Actually has damping. It's air adjust for weight. The fork that comes on the 'dale doesn't have the rebound knob. Or maybe it fell off? But wasn't there.

    It seems to have a friendlier standover than the Spec' XC bike. But the Spec looks to have a slightly nicer drivetrain.

    Weighed both bikes with plastic platform pedals.

    'Dale = 25.7#
    XC = 27.01#

    Now the XC did have an aluminum kickstand on it and wheel reflectors. But I was pleasantly surprised at the weight of the 'Dale.

    This might be a good bike right out of the box. And possibly have a good platform for some upgrades. I might try my hand at building wheels again with my buddy's old XT hubs from his Ibis Alibi. That and my spare X9 RD could help shave some weight.

    But just wondering what kind of crankset options there are without breaking the bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khaotom View Post
    Can you fit the X9 RD on the Dale when it is a 7-Speed freewheel? My kid have the GT Stomper 24 that come with the 7-Speed freewheel and I am stuck with Tourney RD and when I replace it with a EZ-Fire swifter i have a hard time shifting to the lowest gear. The LBS told me I need to lace a new 24 wheel with a 9-speed hub in order to perform any upgrade.
    Sram RD will not play nicely with shimano shifters, the RD & shifters use different pull ratio and need to be paired correctly for acceptabe index shifting. Getting rid of the nutted freewheel hub is probably a good upgrade path just in terms of reducing weight and improving upgrade possibilities. Pretty easy to find used non-disk casette hubs dirt cheap these days as they are not desireable for use with disk brakes that most all decent MTBs come with now. Get a 32-spoke casette hub and re-lace the rim onto the hub. 7-speed freehubs are a bit less common but you could easily go to 8/9/10 speed freehub and casette, would just need to match the # of shifter clicks to the casette.

    If you dont want to mess with wheel building and just keep the 7s freewheel, you can upgrade the RD to most any other shimano RD, should still work fine with 7s shifters and freewheel.

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    Hey Guys, I'm picking one of these up for my daughter this weekend. I'll be changing the stock 14-28 7 speed Freewheel to a 13-32 IRD that is currently on her 20" bike and eventually I'll change the cranks out to some Lasco 152mm 104/64 bcd cranks.

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    eventually I'm be lacing some disc hubs to the rims so I can put a 9 speed, maybe 10 speed set up on the bike along with disc brakes. We live in Colorado and ride in the mountains so she needs as much gearing and braking as possible.

    Last weekend in Buffalo Creek...I can't wait to get her out there on bigger wheels!

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    Can the Lasco cranks come with shorter arms? It's the same length as the stock cranks at 152mm. My son gets frustrated with all the pedal strikes he gets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fongster View Post
    Hi guys, I'm looking at this bike for my 8 y/o daughter. I saw on here and heard from one shop that it comes in two sizes (?) The C-dale site's geo link is dead so I can't look there. Their specs page doesn't mention it. Is it true? And if so, does the TT get longer by much going from a M to L? I did see 310mm and 340mm an online store's site, I'm guessing those numbers are the seatpost's? Thanks.

    BTW the shock is super plush feeling compared to the spring one's on Scott, etc.
    The geometry link works for me using both US and Canada as countries. And yes it comes in 2 sizes. Medium is a 12.2 seat tube length and large is a 13.4 seat tube length. I took a screenshot of the geo page for you below:

    Cannondale 24&quot; race 21 speed-screenshot-2014-05-13-21.07.15.png

    And this PDF from Cannondale's site has a bit of info on supposed inseams which I'm uncertain are totally accurate. http://media.cannondale.com/media/ca...talog_KIDS.pdf

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    Wow, I forgot about this thread...it's been over a year since I first chimed on it. Well, we bought the bike, a medium. It still fits my daughter who is now 65# and 4' 7". Other than swapping tires for Maxxis Snypers, the bike is stock. She raced it last summer and captured 9 Firsts and 2 seconds for the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fongster View Post
    Wow, I forgot about this thread...it's been over a year since I first chimed on it. Well, we bought the bike, a medium. It still fits my daughter who is now 65# and 4' 7". Other than swapping tires for Maxxis Snypers, the bike is stock. She raced it last summer and captured 9 Firsts and 2 seconds for the season.
    Ha ha, brain dead apparently. I thought your reply was from April 2014! Sorry about that.

    But at least it got you to update us, right?

    Do you recall her size when you initially bought it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by traffic002 View Post
    Can the Lasco cranks come with shorter arms? It's the same length as the stock cranks at 152mm. My son gets frustrated with all the pedal strikes he gets.
    I don't believe so but Bike Smith Design will sell shortened cranks to your needs. I have a set of Truvativ Isoflows that I'm getting shortened to 140mm for my younger daughter's 20 inch bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics View Post
    Hey Guys, I'm picking one of these up for my daughter this weekend. I'll be changing the stock 14-28 7 speed Freewheel to a 13-32 IRD that is currently on her 20" bike and eventually I'll change the cranks out to some Lasco 152mm 104/64 bcd cranks.

    Lasco Crankset

    IRD Free wheel

    eventually I'm be lacing some disc hubs to the rims so I can put a 9 speed, maybe 10 speed set up on the bike along with disc brakes. We live in Colorado and ride in the mountains so she needs as much gearing and braking as possible.

    Last weekend in Buffalo Creek...I can't wait to get her out there on bigger wheels!

    She's going to love it. Bought one for my daughter about 3 weeks ago. Already have carbon bars and LX shifters. Picking up some BB7s this weekend and have Novatec hubs on order
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    She's going to love it. Bought one for my daughter about 3 weeks ago. Already have carbon bars and LX shifters. Picking up some BB7s this weekend and have Novatec hubs on order
    Before you get those BB7's, look at this deal: SHIMANO-BR-M446-BL-M445-Hydraulic-Brake

    Same brakes as what comes stock on the Opus Fever. I'm seriously considering them.

    I have a set of aqua blue Novatec hubs laying in my garage. NOt quite a color match but they'll do and their disk.

    What tires did you end up running? The stock Cannondale's are semi slicks and we ride real trails so was thinking of picking up some Specialized Rollers. 610 gr ea but good tread pattern.

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    They come in white too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics View Post
    Before you get those BB7's, look at this deal: SHIMANO-BR-M446-BL-M445-Hydraulic-Brake

    Same brakes as what comes stock on the Opus Fever. I'm seriously considering them.

    I have a set of aqua blue Novatec hubs laying in my garage. NOt quite a color match but they'll do and their disk.

    What tires did you end up running? The stock Cannondale's are semi slicks and we ride real trails so was thinking of picking up some Specialized Rollers. 610 gr ea but good tread pattern.
    Take my advice for what it's worth, this is based on my son. I don't think hydros are good for kids. They are still learning to modulate brakes properly. With mechanical, I can adjustment so they slow down the wheel but won't lock up and cause an OTB. As they get better you can adjust that out.

    I'm run Moe Joe- rear Rocket Ron - front on my sons and will be ordering those for my Daughter.
    They are about 420g each
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Take my advice for what it's worth, this is based on my son. I don't think hydros are good for kids. They are still learning to modulate brakes properly. With mechanical, I can adjustment so they slow down the wheel but won't lock up and cause an OTB. As they get better you can adjust that out.

    I'm run Moe Joe- rear Rocket Ron - front on my sons and will be ordering those for my Daughter.
    They are about 420g each
    Thanks for the tires. I'm looking at Hydros as we live in Colorado and some of our downhills are over 7 miles long. That's a workout on v brakes and little hands. Looking at Hydros to give her some relief. There's a few kids here riding Lil Shredders with Hydros and all seem to be doing well with them. I personally dislike the BB7's I have on my Fat Bike otherwise I'd put them on her bike.

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    Has anyone looked at the Islabikes Craig. Definitely more money but comes with disks, decent fork. My sister is looking for a bike for her son and was asking me about it. My son has grown out of 24's so I haven't really been paying much attention to this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKamp View Post
    Has anyone looked at the Islabikes Craig. Definitely more money but comes with disks, decent fork. My sister is looking for a bike for her son and was asking me about it. My son has grown out of 24's so I haven't really been paying much attention to this forum.
    Yes I did, but as I've said $1000 for a bike with X5 RD doesn't do it for me. The Cannondale Race is $500 and with the other $400-$500, I'll end up with a much better bike in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fongster View Post
    Wow, I forgot about this thread...it's been over a year since I first chimed on it. Well, we bought the bike, a medium. It still fits my daughter who is now 65# and 4' 7". Other than swapping tires for Maxxis Snypers, the bike is stock. She raced it last summer and captured 9 Firsts and 2 seconds for the season.
    My 8yo son is about the same weight and height. Would you recommend the medium or the large? They don't seem to stock the 24" Race around me, so I'll have to order the bike without my son trying it out. Thanks!

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    Just curious to peoples thoughts,,,,my son is growing rather quickly, and his 20 inch Specialized is nearing the end from a size perspective. The 24 inch used to seem like a logical next step, but I recently had my son try a 15 inch frame with 26 wheels at the lbs. It was not as big as I thought
    Realistically, I dont want to buy one of these and in one year wish I had just gotten a small adulat frame mtb....thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bleumax View Post
    My 8yo son is about the same weight and height. Would you recommend the medium or the large? They don't seem to stock the 24" Race around me, so I'll have to order the bike without my son trying it out. Thanks!
    IMHO I'd go with the medium. I went with a medium with my daughter and she is about the same height. My reasoning is for flickability. I'm switching out the 60mm stem for a 40mm as soon as we get it. The stem can be changed as she grows taller.

    Sure, a larger frame means she can be on it a bit longer. But by the time she is ready for that larger frame she will be ready for a 26er.

    Quote Originally Posted by fat_tires_are_fun View Post
    Just curious to peoples thoughts,,,,my son is growing rather quickly, and his 20 inch Specialized is nearing the end from a size perspective. The 24 inch used to seem like a logical next step, but I recently had my son try a 15 inch frame with 26 wheels at the lbs. It was not as big as I thought
    Realistically, I dont want to buy one of these and in one year wish I had just gotten a small adulat frame mtb....thoughts?

    The smaller frame will fit them now and as I'm taking my girl on actual mountain bike trails I want her to be able to maneuver the bike as easily as possible. I see a lot of parents putting their kids on bikes larger then child's size in the hopes that they'll grow into them. Sure they can pedal them but can they lift the front wheel off the ground or handle them in technical terrain.

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    Thanks for the response ^^. This is a good point if doing very technical riding. I will have to have him try one in person.
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    My son is now 4'10" and on a 26 for reference. He has been on it for about a year now since he was a hair under 4'9". His riding got much better as soon as he got on the 26. It seemed a little big for him last year but fits great now. If they are on the verge you may think about trying to get one more year out of what they are on and then build up a small 26.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics View Post
    IMHO I'd go with the medium. I went with a medium with my daughter and she is about the same height. My reasoning is for flickability. I'm switching out the 60mm stem for a 40mm as soon as we get it. The stem can be changed as she grows taller.

    Sure, a larger frame means she can be on it a bit longer. But by the time she is ready for that larger frame she will be ready for a 26er.




    The smaller frame will fit them now and as I'm taking my girl on actual mountain bike trails I want her to be able to maneuver the bike as easily as possible. I see a lot of parents putting their kids on bikes larger then child's size in the hopes that they'll grow into them. Sure they can pedal them but can they lift the front wheel off the ground or handle them in technical terrain.
    This is key, so many people push to get them on a 26er too fast in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKamp View Post
    My son is now 4'10" and on a 26 for reference. He has been on it for about a year now since he was a hair under 4'9". His riding got much better as soon as he got on the 26. It seemed a little big for him last year but fits great now. If they are on the verge you may think about trying to get one more year out of what they are on and then build up a small 26.

    I'd like to see pictures of your son handling the bike in the air, or log overs etc...

    Can he wheelie or manual it?

    I'm not bashing, but depending on what you're trying to teach your kids will make a difference.
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    Little log crossing about a year ago comming down Jedi in Flagstaff. I agree though , depends on what you want to ride and how you want it to fit. His fits very well for XC

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    This is key, so many people push to get them on a 26er too fast in my opinion.
    Makes sense. I'll go with the 24 for him. I incorrectly started him with a BMX bike, so this time I'll try to get it right.

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    One of the last rides on his 24

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    Oops wrong pic but it shows the arm.

    And then 4 or 5 months later on the 26


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    Cannondale 24" race 21 speed

    Maybe my kid needs a 20"

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    Thanks everyone for your input. I took my son to the bike shop today and tried a smorgasbord of bikes. He wasn't able to try the Race, but he tried the Trail and the Street. The Cannondale frame was definitely the right fit for him and the Cannondales were noticeably lighter than the other bikes he tried. Placed the order for the Race 24. It might be here as early as the end of next week. My son is pretty excited.

    By the way, are the fork and the paint job the main differences between the Trail and the Race?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleumax View Post
    Thanks everyone for your input. I took my son to the bike shop today and tried a smorgasbord of bikes. He wasn't able to try the Race, but he tried the Trail and the Street. The Cannondale frame was definitely the right fit for him and the Cannondales were noticeably lighter than the other bikes he tried. Placed the order for the Race 24. It might be here as early as the end of next week. My son is pretty excited.

    By the way, are the fork and the paint job the main differences between the Trail and the Race?
    No the Race is a huge step up, comes with a lighter air fork. The Trail has a heavy coil.
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    The main differences is the fork and crank( Trail has a single chainring, Race has 3). If you live in an area that has flat, smooth trails the Trail will probably be ok. If you live in an area that has even moderate trails I'd recommend the Race. If you have the cash, go the Race anyway. Its only $90 extra retail and a better buy. I ordered my daughters on Thursday and it should be here by Tuesday.

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    13-28 cassette changed to a 13-32. We live at the base of the Front Range Mountains in Colorado. Our current 8-10 mile loop that we do from the house has almost 800 ft of climbing and she wants to do more Mountain rides which means she'll need gearing for extended climbs.
    Lasco 152mm 104/64mm cranks. Cranks that come on the bike have rivited chainrings. I want options and the possibility to go 1x.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics View Post
    ..... Its only $90 extra retail and a better buy. .....
    Not MSRP according to cannondale site - $550 vs $420 girls (or $440 for boys version)
    Are you talking street pricing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcp_nz View Post
    Not MSRP according to cannondale site - $550 vs $420 girls (or $440 for boys version)
    Are you talking street pricing?
    Even at $130 it is still a better value for the Air fork vs sprung, 3 chainring crankset vs 1 chainring and front shifter vs non. That air fork alone is $208 MSRP and good luck finding one. I did from the UK when I was looking to build her a Gary Fisher Precaliber but they are hard to find. Two local shops couldn't source that fork or the Spinner Air.

    What's curious to me is that Cannondale spec'd these with singlewall rims and non disc hubs, v brakes and the street with doublewall rims, disc hubs and disc brakes.

    Also, if you have a good relationship with your local bike shop their more then likely to give you a 10% discount. At least in my experience with shops from North Carolina to Colorado that has been the case. If they don't offer it upfront, ask. Worst they can ever say is no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics View Post
    What's curious to me is that Cannondale spec'd these with singlewall rims and non disc hubs, v brakes and the street with doublewall rims, disc hubs and disc brakes.
    These were the main reasons I was going to go with the Street over the Race since my daughter isn't doing much for off road at this point. Then after I did some research on the Street brakes, I found out the Tektro Novelas are really low quality and I was looking for a bike she could ride out of the box. (here's a post I made about the brakes Just Ordered my Daughter an Islabike Creig 24 (only 23.4 lbs!) - Page 2)

    Note that my husband wasn't as worried about the brakes as I was.

    Yesterday we went riding and went through some grassy fields with small hills so if I can get her into more of that it will make the shock we got more worthwhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenMAUW View Post
    These were the main reasons I was going to go with the Street over the Race since my daughter isn't doing much for off road at this point. Then after I did some research on the Street brakes, I found out the Tektro Novelas are really low quality and I was looking for a bike she could ride out of the box. (here's a post I made about the brakes Just Ordered my Daughter an Islabike Creig 24 (only 23.4 lbs!) - Page 2)

    Note that my husband wasn't as worried about the brakes as I was.

    Yesterday we went riding and went through some grassy fields with small hills so if I can get her into more of that it will make the shock we got more worthwhile.
    No doubt. Completely understood. I was going for the Opus Fever until my LBS offered me a deal on the Race that I could not pass up. I'm getting some Sram X9 hubs that were never built from a friend and will be building her some disc ready wheels by the end of this summer. May not go disc for her yet but we do have some 7 mile downhills.

    wW did this one last year for Father's Day.

    Disc may come sooner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics View Post
    What's curious to me is that Cannondale spec'd these with singlewall rims and non disc hubs, v brakes and the street with doublewall rims, disc hubs and disc brakes.
    In my mind clearly an effort to make them feel significantly lighter than competition on the showroom floor -- and it works!!

    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics View Post
    Also, if you have a good relationship with your local bike shop their more then likely to give you a 10% discount. At least in my experience with shops from North Carolina to Colorado that has been the case. If they don't offer it upfront, ask. Worst they can ever say is no.
    Yup, just about every bike shop in a 300 mile radius EXCEPT my local spec/c'dale dealer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcp_nz View Post
    In my mind clearly an effort to make them feel significantly lighter than competition on the showroom floor -- and it works!!


    Yup, just about every bike shop in a 300 mile radius EXCEPT my local spec/c'dale dealer.
    Very true. The bike is super light. The tires are skinny too.

    In my area, pricing is all over the place, but within 10% of MSRP. The local dealer that I bought the Race from discounted about 10% off of MSRP. Oddly, the in-stock Street was priced higher than the Race - maybe since they have no inventory costs on my Race order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenMAUW View Post
    The geometry link works for me using both US and Canada as countries. And yes it comes in 2 sizes. Medium is a 12.2 seat tube length and large is a 13.4 seat tube length. I took a screenshot of the geo page for you below:

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    And this PDF from Cannondale's site has a bit of info on supposed inseams which I'm uncertain are totally accurate. http://media.cannondale.com/media/ca...talog_KIDS.pdf
    Holy chainstay length! Why are the chainstays so long???

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    Have any of you compared the c'dale race 24 with the trek superfly 24 disc?

    Fork clearly superior on the c'dale but lots other stuff appears better on the trek (8 speed cassette vs 7 speed freewheel, shimano hydro disc vs generic v brake, slightly better rear derailleur). Same weight with a heavy fork and disc brakes (trek 25.4 lbs no pedals or kickstand). Upgrade options possibly easier/cheaper by swapping fork instead of new hubs,wheels,cassette,brakes etc. Does the extra $100 buy a better platform to work with or do you all like the cannondale better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcp_nz View Post
    Have any of you compared the c'dale race 24 with the trek superfly 24 disc?

    Fork clearly superior on the c'dale but lots other stuff appears better on the trek (8 speed cassette vs 7 speed freewheel, shimano hydro disc vs generic v brake, slightly better rear derailleur). Same weight with a heavy fork and disc brakes (trek 25.4 lbs no pedals or kickstand). Upgrade options possibly easier/cheaper by swapping fork instead of new hubs,wheels,cassette,brakes etc. Does the extra $100 buy a better platform to work with or do you all like the cannondale better?
    Pros and cons to both

    The Air forks in the 24 inch size are hard to find. About $200 + to do so. I originally was going to buy a Gary Fisher Pre Caliber and just use the frame, probably donating all the parts to the local Trips for Kids. I still may of came out cheaper this way but the folks who had the Gary Fisher wanted 120, add in the fork and I was already near $350.

    The Trek comes with a 104/64 crankset it appears while the C' dale comes with riveted chainrings to the cranks. Important for me as I plan on switching over to either a 1x or 2x system for my daughter. I bought a Lasco Crank though which is better then the one on the Trek. If hers came with with bolted cranks though I wouldn't have changed them.

    I'm wanting to go at least 9 sp and possibly 10 sp so either way I would've upgraded the cassette, rear shifter and rear derailleur. This more because we live in the actual mountains and I want her to have a 22x34 or 36. Again, donating all the parts to the local Trips for Kids.

    I'm gonna give a go at the V brakes. She has been riding with them on her 20" for 2 years but I'll be building a wheelset for disc in the future. Looking X9 Hubs because I can get them cheap.


    If your going to spend $659 for the Trek. Do yourself a favor and spend a few dollars more and get the Opus Fever. Go to their dealer locator and find one in the States that way. Denver, CO has a dealer and had an Opus Fever in stock and I was very close to pulling the trigger on that as well. $750 was the quoted price and worth every penny imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSJ1973 View Post
    Holy chainstay length! Why are the chainstays so long???
    Have you looked at kids bikes? Most are a 420mm. It's one reason I bought the Marin Bayview for my son.

    He into tricks more than my daughter, so the shorter CS was important.
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    I picked up my daughter's Cannondale Race last night from the bike shop and put it together. She got to to ride it for a bit this morning and said it was Awesome! I weighed it at 26.2 lbs out of the box. The stem handlebars and seatpost will be the 1st to go and I have some Avid Single Digit 3 V brakes to replace the current ones, if just to loose a little weight. More coming and I'll post up as I make changes.

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/goatshell/14257682833" title="P1010016 by Jeremy Arnold, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2919/14257682833_765bf7cc18_c.jpg" width="800" height="588" alt="P1010016"></a>

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    That's terrific. She looks happy. Hopefully, my son will receive his this week too.

    If you could note what kind of handlebars and stem you pick up as replacements, that would be much appreciated. I'll likely swap out my son's too.

    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics View Post
    I picked up my daughter's Cannondale Race last night from the bike shop and put it together. She got to to ride it for a bit this morning and said it was Awesome! I weighed it at 26.2 lbs out of the box. The stem handlebars and seatpost will be the 1st to go and I have some Avid Single Digit 3 V brakes to replace the current ones, if just to loose a little weight. More coming and I'll post up as I make changes.

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    Okay, now i'm very confused

    ^^^ does not look like the race 24" I am looking at at my LBS. The one here (and on c'dale website) has a straight top tube not curved like your image. I thought only street and trail versions had curved top tube but apparently not....
    Are there two versions? Different versions for different markets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcp_nz View Post
    Okay, now i'm very confused

    ^^^ does not look like the race 24" I am looking at at my LBS. The one here (and on c'dale website) has a straight top tube not curved like your image. I thought only street and trail versions had curved top tube but apparently not....
    Are there two versions? Different versions for different markets?
    Is that one of the differences between the medium and large frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleumax View Post
    Is that one of the differences between the medium and large frame?
    I don't think so - LBS has both a med and large on the floor and to the best of my memory I'm fairly certain both have straight top tube. I admit wasn't really looking at that though so I stand to be corrected if it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcp_nz View Post
    I don't think so - LBS has both a med and large on the floor and to the best of my memory I'm fairly certain both have straight top tube. I admit wasn't really looking at that though so I stand to be corrected if it is.
    Girl's version or 2013 model year, perhaps?

    Cannondale Kids 2013 | Infinite Cycles Bike Shop

    When I ordered my son's Race, the sales guy commented on how the frame geometry was different than the Street and my son could get another year out of it. He also said it was lighter than the Street. I took his comments with a grain of sale because I wasn't confident that he was knowledgeable about the Race since they don't keep it in stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcp_nz View Post
    Okay, now i'm very confused

    ^^^ does not look like the race 24" I am looking at at my LBS. The one here (and on c'dale website) has a straight top tube not curved like your image. I thought only street and trail versions had curved top tube but apparently not....
    Are there two versions? Different versions for different markets?
    My daughters race has the same bend in the middle of the TT and its a medium.
    I bet it's the frame size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    My daughters race has the same bend in the middle of the TT and its a medium.
    I bet it's the frame size.
    I'm thinking so as well.

    Two Tone, did you stick with the 152mm crank length?
    The BB is the same height as her 20" but her 20" had 140mm cranks and she has hit the pedals a few times on the road making a turn.

    I've tried teaching her the fundementals of making a turn, inside pedal up, outside pedal down but of course she still was doing it

    Anyway, correct length crank for for her 26 inch inseam is 145mm, she's going to grow so I thought about getting some anyway as her sister will grow into this bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics View Post
    I'm thinking so as well.

    Two Tone, did you stick with the 152mm crank length?
    The BB is the same height as her 20" but her 20" had 140mm cranks and she has hit the pedals a few times on the road making a turn.

    I've tried teaching her the fundementals of making a turn, inside pedal up, outside pedal down but of course she still was doing it

    Anyway, correct length crank for for her 26 inch inseam is 145mm, she's going to grow so I thought about getting some anyway as her sister will grow into this bike.
    I am for now, not sure which way to go. She's pretty good with pedaling technique, I started that lesson even on their 12 inch bike- guess that's one advantage over a balance bike.

    My son has the shortened cranks from Bikesmith design. I agree with you I have to do something. The front rings are garbage on any kids bikes. When I put on the shorten cranks for my son it was a night and day difference, it had Raceface rings with proper shift ramps.

    So far I've done the bar- carbon and trigger shifters.

    I'm trying to balance how much I do. My son I went all out because he is trying to wheelie, bunny hope, hits the ramps with no fear. She- not so much.
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    Looks to me like the medium frame is the same frame that's used on the Street 24. And then for the large, they are using a larger frame with straight top bar.

    Love the black/green version. And the little girl riding is super cute!

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    Did anyone consider the Specialized Hotrock 24 XC? It appears to me that the components are much better with the sole exception of the fork. It is also $470 MSRP.
    I am interested to hear your thoughts on the comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lodalo View Post
    Did anyone consider the Specialized Hotrock 24 XC? It appears to me that the components are much better with the sole exception of the fork. It is also $470 MSRP.
    I am interested to hear your thoughts on the comparison.
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    Except the fork? That's a huge but. I really don't see what you're saying is better on that bike vs. the Cannondale. Keep in mind, you're getting a $200 plus fork on the C-dale if you went out and bought one yourself for $30 more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lodalo View Post
    Did anyone consider the Specialized Hotrock 24 XC? It appears to me that the components are much better with the sole exception of the fork. It is also $470 MSRP.
    I am interested to hear your thoughts on the comparison.
    thanks!
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    Bikes at this pricepoint are all about compromise.
    Spesh put the standard low end heavy suntour fork on and upgraded components across the board. The cannondale put a oem version of a nice air fork on and dumbed down the components to the lowest level available. Pick your poison.

    Lodalo, some folks on this forum seem to think an air fork is the be all and end all of choosing a kids bike. It's true they are hard to find aftermarket to upgrade so if it's important to you then by all means go that route.

    Yes, twotone the drivetrain on the spesh is at least a step or two better - on side by side test rides even my 7 yo noticed immediately how much smoother and easier to shift it was.

    For my part after looking for ages at just about everything available and being very close to buying the Rocky Mountain Vertex 24 for a lot more money that checked every box of my wish list I picked up a used Hotrock in great shape at the right price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcp_nz View Post
    Bikes at this pricepoint are all about compromise.
    Spesh put the standard low end heavy suntour fork on and upgraded components across the board. The cannondale put a oem version of a nice air fork on and dumbed down the components to the lowest level available. Pick your poison.

    Lodalo, some folks on this forum seem to think an air fork is the be all and end all of choosing a kids bike. It's true they are hard to find aftermarket to upgrade so if it's important to you then by all means go that route.

    Yes, twotone the drivetrain on the spesh is at least a step or two better - on side by side test rides even my 7 yo noticed immediately how much smoother and easier to shift it was.

    For my part after looking for ages at just about everything available and being very close to buying the Rocky Mountain Vertex 24 for a lot more money that checked every box of my wish list I picked up a used Hotrock in great shape at the right price.
    Well, I guess my problem I see as barely better and I end up putting my old XT or cheap ebay XTR stuff on anyway, wouldn't have matter which bike.

    Not sure if you're dismissing the air fork or not, but that one upgrade made a huge difference for my son's Marin and it cost me $220, so to be able to get that for $30 more- to me seemed like a no brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcp_nz View Post
    Pick your poison.
    All of these bikes seem to be over 26 pounds, so I agree. These bikes need to be in the 22-23 pound range so buy the platform and drop another $500+ to make them lighter. Might as well get the better fork from the beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Well, I guess my problem I see as barely better and I end up putting my old XT or cheap ebay XTR stuff on anyway, wouldn't have matter which bike.

    Not sure if you're dismissing the air fork or not, but that one upgrade made a huge difference for my son's Marin and it cost me $220, so to be able to get that for $30 more- to me seemed like a no brainer.
    If you've got a spare parts bin of high end components then thats a great way to get a nice bike - most folks just looking for a decent bike for their kid do not have that luxury of available parts, skill set or time.

    I'm not dismissing an air fork per se - no doubt it is a huge performance upgrade in terms of actually functionality, small bump compliance, tunability and weight. But IMHO it only makes sense to prioritize that if your kid is going to benefit from those things - lots of kids at the age of riding these 24" bikes will never leave the pavement and if they do it'll only be on a smooth rail trail for which an air fork is overkill.

    I'm one of the worst of poring over spec sheets and weighing pros and cons of various bikes and trying to choose what I want in a bike for my kid that I get so wrapped up in trying to choose the "best" or the "best value" but at the end of the day my kid would ride the bikes and say she liked one because it was comfortable and easy to change gears and she didn't like another because the stand over was too high or the reach was too long or the shifters were stiff and hard to use (and unfortunately we had tears one time over the colors too).

    Now having stumbled across and bought an inexpensive used bike that fits my daughter well and she likes and is comfortable on (which based on specs, components and weight probably wouldn't have been the one I would have bought new) we are out riding a ton and tackling real MTB trails that I could not have anticipated riding with her a month ago.

    So my takeaway from going through the process recently is to figure out what compromise is acceptable to you, or how much work you are willing to put in and then buy a bike that your kid likes and fits and go ride a lot with them.
    (Sorry on reread that comes across a little preachy and it's really not intended to be but I think as bike enthusiast adults we agonize over stuff the kids don't care about or notice).

    Apologies for getting so far off topic of the C'dale race 24 ......

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    Since we're on the C-dale 24 subject anyway.

    Hoping one of you might be able to save me some search time. Her wheels are almost done, so i need to find a 32t WN ring for the front, the Raceface is working well on my son's bike, but she's a girl. I'm hoping to find someone that makes one in Pink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Since we're on the C-dale 24 subject anyway.

    Hoping one of you might be able to save me some search time. Her wheels are almost done, so i need to find a 32t WN ring for the front, the Raceface is working well on my son's bike, but she's a girl. I'm hoping to find someone that makes one in Pink.
    I thought Raceface made one in Pink but it may be hard to find.

    Another cheap upgrade to consider is grips. My daughter was complaining about hand pain. I replaced her grips with some ESI Race Grips (smaller diameter) and her complaints instantly went away.

    Also if your kids have issue with the stock Shimano Gripshifts, consider Sram X3. You can get it on Ebay for around $60 for the shifters and rear derailluer and my girl is much happier with it.

    We live and ride in the Foothills of Colorado. Elevation ranges from 6,000-9,000 ft where I've taken her riding and I will say the air fork plus gears she can easily shift, plus 135mm cranks has made a huge improvement in her riding.

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    Have the kid help in the decision

    @TwoTone:
    You are right about the fork... it is important. I had not realized how stiff and junky the entry level forks are. The specialized seemed better than the trek. The trek felt no different than a Department store fork. I wish I could check the Cannondale fork.
    However, I do not have spare parts and the Specialized XC has SRAM X3 rear and shifters which is one of the things mountaingoat epics was recommending above as an upgrade.


    Quote Originally Posted by dcp_nz View Post
    If you've got a spare parts bin of high end components then thats a great way to get a nice bike - most folks just looking for a decent bike for their kid do not have that luxury of available parts, skill set or time.

    I'm not dismissing an air fork per se - no doubt it is a huge performance upgrade in terms of actually functionality, small bump compliance, tunability and weight. But IMHO it only makes sense to prioritize that if your kid is going to benefit from those things - lots of kids at the age of riding these 24" bikes will never leave the pavement and if they do it'll only be on a smooth rail trail for which an air fork is overkill.

    I'm one of the worst of poring over spec sheets and weighing pros and cons of various bikes and trying to choose what I want in a bike for my kid that I get so wrapped up in trying to choose the "best" or the "best value" but at the end of the day my kid would ride the bikes and say she liked one because it was comfortable and easy to change gears and she didn't like another because the stand over was too high or the reach was too long or the shifters were stiff and hard to use (and unfortunately we had tears one time over the colors too).

    Now having stumbled across and bought an inexpensive used bike that fits my daughter well and she likes and is comfortable on (which based on specs, components and weight probably wouldn't have been the one I would have bought new) we are out riding a ton and tackling real MTB trails that I could not have anticipated riding with her a month ago.

    So my takeaway from going through the process recently is to figure out what compromise is acceptable to you, or how much work you are willing to put in and then buy a bike that your kid likes and fits and go ride a lot with them.
    (Sorry on reread that comes across a little preachy and it's really not intended to be but I think as bike enthusiast adults we agonize over stuff the kids don't care about or notice).

    Apologies for getting so far off topic of the C'dale race 24 ......
    Thanks a lot for the advice. It is really appreciated and I can relate to it!


    I have not yet made a purchase but did take my kid to a couple LBS (local shop) and he liked the "feel" of the trek, even though I was telling him that the comparable Specialized model had better 'specs.'
    Sadly, the Cannondale race is a special order item and we can't test ride them. If we decide that the fork is a more important item than the drivetrain, we will get the Cannondale. I have to take my son on a couple outings with the 20" to be sure he is committed and will enjoy it so that I can gauge how much to spend now (24" wheels) or how much to save for when he is more interested (26" wheels.)


    Does the Cannondale air fork feel the same as a 'regular' adult air fork?



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    hey mountaingoatepics that is a cool photo of your daughter descending over the rocks. The trails look cool too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lodalo View Post
    @TwoTone:
    You are right about the fork... it is important. I had not realized how stiff and junky the entry level forks are. The specialized seemed better than the trek. The trek felt no different than a Department store fork. I wish I could check the Cannondale fork.
    However, I do not have spare parts and the Specialized XC has SRAM X3 rear and shifters which is one of the things mountaingoat epics was recommending above as an upgrade.




    Thanks a lot for the advice. It is really appreciated and I can relate to it!


    I have not yet made a purchase but did take my kid to a couple LBS (local shop) and he liked the "feel" of the trek, even though I was telling him that the comparable Specialized model had better 'specs.'
    Sadly, the Cannondale race is a special order item and we can't test ride them. If we decide that the fork is a more important item than the drivetrain, we will get the Cannondale. I have to take my son on a couple outings with the 20" to be sure he is committed and will enjoy it so that I can gauge how much to spend now (24" wheels) or how much to save for when he is more interested (26" wheels.)


    Does the Cannondale air fork feel the same as a 'regular' adult air fork?


    The fork doesn't have all the adjustments an adult fork has, but it is a 1000x better than the junk on other kids bikes.

    I'm not trying to be an ass, but I really don't understand choosing a bike with a $19 RD over a bike with $200+ air fork.



    If you've been reading the kids bike threads on here, you'll notice a large majority switch to triggers because their kids find it easier to shift over grip.

    So even if you don't have a parts bin, X3 RD and shifter = $19 and $16 at Universal Cycles and that isn't even a sale price. So basically you'd be picking Specialized because it comes with $35 worth of drive train.

    I'd argue that the X3 is barely a step above the TX-35, but what your child will notice a big difference in going from grip shift to trigger.

    If the fork isn't important- then honestly save yourself money and weight and get the street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics View Post
    I'm thinking so as well.

    Two Tone, did you stick with the 152mm crank length?
    The BB is the same height as her 20" but her 20" had 140mm cranks and she has hit the pedals a few times on the road making a turn.

    I've tried teaching her the fundementals of making a turn, inside pedal up, outside pedal down but of course she still was doing it

    Anyway, correct length crank for for her 26 inch inseam is 145mm, she's going to grow so I thought about getting some anyway as her sister will grow into this bike.
    So a little late, but I had been shopping ebay trying to find a good deal and just couldn't find any. On one of these threads someone mentioned replacing the shorten Srams from Bikesmith, so I PMed him and bought them for my daughters bike. 140mm. In my experience shorter is better than too long.
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    Don't worry.. I am taking no offense and don't feel bad that you are chiming in.. on the other hand, I appreciate your time and willingness to help. :-)
    You have a point about getting the drivetrain parts separately at a better price than getting the fork later on.

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    I just picked this up for my son but the tires have proven to be just a tad too slick. Will the DMR Moto Digger MTB Tires in a 24/2.35" flavor fit? Or is it too wide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RidinGiant View Post
    I just picked this up for my son but the tires have proven to be just a tad too slick. Will the DMR Moto Digger MTB Tires in a 24/2.35" flavor fit? Or is it too wide?
    Man those are heavy as hell. If you go with a Schwalbe rocket ron in a 2.10. Cost a little more but onlu weighs 445g vs 750g.

    on 2 tires that's almost 1.25 lbs of rotating weight saved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RidinGiant View Post
    I just picked this up for my son but the tires have proven to be just a tad too slick. Will the DMR Moto Digger MTB Tires in a 24/2.35" flavor fit? Or is it too wide?
    Agree with TwoTone, those are super heavy. Rocket Rons are good. However, I used Maxxis Snypers with a kevlar bead on my daughter's C-dale for the year she was on the bike (they grow so fast, lol). They held great in corners, rolled fast and were a lot less than $ than RRs. I can't recall the weight but they were right between the RRs and the ones you're asking about. BTW, she dominated the 6-8 y/o kids class on that bike and tire combo :-)

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    Thanks for the tips, glad I checked here first...

    Googling both of those tires, it seems like direct from the manufacturer or eBay are my only sources for the 24". Where'd you guys buy yours from?

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    I found mine on Ebay. Your LBS should be able to order them from Maxxis if you can't find them online.

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