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    Quote Originally Posted by dcp_nz View Post
    Okay, now i'm very confused

    ^^^ does not look like the race 24" I am looking at at my LBS. The one here (and on c'dale website) has a straight top tube not curved like your image. I thought only street and trail versions had curved top tube but apparently not....
    Are there two versions? Different versions for different markets?
    Is that one of the differences between the medium and large frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleumax View Post
    Is that one of the differences between the medium and large frame?
    I don't think so - LBS has both a med and large on the floor and to the best of my memory I'm fairly certain both have straight top tube. I admit wasn't really looking at that though so I stand to be corrected if it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcp_nz View Post
    I don't think so - LBS has both a med and large on the floor and to the best of my memory I'm fairly certain both have straight top tube. I admit wasn't really looking at that though so I stand to be corrected if it is.
    Girl's version or 2013 model year, perhaps?

    Cannondale Kids 2013 | Infinite Cycles Bike Shop

    When I ordered my son's Race, the sales guy commented on how the frame geometry was different than the Street and my son could get another year out of it. He also said it was lighter than the Street. I took his comments with a grain of sale because I wasn't confident that he was knowledgeable about the Race since they don't keep it in stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcp_nz View Post
    Okay, now i'm very confused

    ^^^ does not look like the race 24" I am looking at at my LBS. The one here (and on c'dale website) has a straight top tube not curved like your image. I thought only street and trail versions had curved top tube but apparently not....
    Are there two versions? Different versions for different markets?
    My daughters race has the same bend in the middle of the TT and its a medium.
    I bet it's the frame size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    My daughters race has the same bend in the middle of the TT and its a medium.
    I bet it's the frame size.
    I'm thinking so as well.

    Two Tone, did you stick with the 152mm crank length?
    The BB is the same height as her 20" but her 20" had 140mm cranks and she has hit the pedals a few times on the road making a turn.

    I've tried teaching her the fundementals of making a turn, inside pedal up, outside pedal down but of course she still was doing it

    Anyway, correct length crank for for her 26 inch inseam is 145mm, she's going to grow so I thought about getting some anyway as her sister will grow into this bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics View Post
    I'm thinking so as well.

    Two Tone, did you stick with the 152mm crank length?
    The BB is the same height as her 20" but her 20" had 140mm cranks and she has hit the pedals a few times on the road making a turn.

    I've tried teaching her the fundementals of making a turn, inside pedal up, outside pedal down but of course she still was doing it

    Anyway, correct length crank for for her 26 inch inseam is 145mm, she's going to grow so I thought about getting some anyway as her sister will grow into this bike.
    I am for now, not sure which way to go. She's pretty good with pedaling technique, I started that lesson even on their 12 inch bike- guess that's one advantage over a balance bike.

    My son has the shortened cranks from Bikesmith design. I agree with you I have to do something. The front rings are garbage on any kids bikes. When I put on the shorten cranks for my son it was a night and day difference, it had Raceface rings with proper shift ramps.

    So far I've done the bar- carbon and trigger shifters.

    I'm trying to balance how much I do. My son I went all out because he is trying to wheelie, bunny hope, hits the ramps with no fear. She- not so much.
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    Looks to me like the medium frame is the same frame that's used on the Street 24. And then for the large, they are using a larger frame with straight top bar.

    Love the black/green version. And the little girl riding is super cute!

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    Did anyone consider the Specialized Hotrock 24 XC? It appears to me that the components are much better with the sole exception of the fork. It is also $470 MSRP.
    I am interested to hear your thoughts on the comparison.
    thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lodalo View Post
    Did anyone consider the Specialized Hotrock 24 XC? It appears to me that the components are much better with the sole exception of the fork. It is also $470 MSRP.
    I am interested to hear your thoughts on the comparison.
    thanks!
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    Except the fork? That's a huge but. I really don't see what you're saying is better on that bike vs. the Cannondale. Keep in mind, you're getting a $200 plus fork on the C-dale if you went out and bought one yourself for $30 more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lodalo View Post
    Did anyone consider the Specialized Hotrock 24 XC? It appears to me that the components are much better with the sole exception of the fork. It is also $470 MSRP.
    I am interested to hear your thoughts on the comparison.
    thanks!
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    Bikes at this pricepoint are all about compromise.
    Spesh put the standard low end heavy suntour fork on and upgraded components across the board. The cannondale put a oem version of a nice air fork on and dumbed down the components to the lowest level available. Pick your poison.

    Lodalo, some folks on this forum seem to think an air fork is the be all and end all of choosing a kids bike. It's true they are hard to find aftermarket to upgrade so if it's important to you then by all means go that route.

    Yes, twotone the drivetrain on the spesh is at least a step or two better - on side by side test rides even my 7 yo noticed immediately how much smoother and easier to shift it was.

    For my part after looking for ages at just about everything available and being very close to buying the Rocky Mountain Vertex 24 for a lot more money that checked every box of my wish list I picked up a used Hotrock in great shape at the right price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcp_nz View Post
    Bikes at this pricepoint are all about compromise.
    Spesh put the standard low end heavy suntour fork on and upgraded components across the board. The cannondale put a oem version of a nice air fork on and dumbed down the components to the lowest level available. Pick your poison.

    Lodalo, some folks on this forum seem to think an air fork is the be all and end all of choosing a kids bike. It's true they are hard to find aftermarket to upgrade so if it's important to you then by all means go that route.

    Yes, twotone the drivetrain on the spesh is at least a step or two better - on side by side test rides even my 7 yo noticed immediately how much smoother and easier to shift it was.

    For my part after looking for ages at just about everything available and being very close to buying the Rocky Mountain Vertex 24 for a lot more money that checked every box of my wish list I picked up a used Hotrock in great shape at the right price.
    Well, I guess my problem I see as barely better and I end up putting my old XT or cheap ebay XTR stuff on anyway, wouldn't have matter which bike.

    Not sure if you're dismissing the air fork or not, but that one upgrade made a huge difference for my son's Marin and it cost me $220, so to be able to get that for $30 more- to me seemed like a no brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcp_nz View Post
    Pick your poison.
    All of these bikes seem to be over 26 pounds, so I agree. These bikes need to be in the 22-23 pound range so buy the platform and drop another $500+ to make them lighter. Might as well get the better fork from the beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Well, I guess my problem I see as barely better and I end up putting my old XT or cheap ebay XTR stuff on anyway, wouldn't have matter which bike.

    Not sure if you're dismissing the air fork or not, but that one upgrade made a huge difference for my son's Marin and it cost me $220, so to be able to get that for $30 more- to me seemed like a no brainer.
    If you've got a spare parts bin of high end components then thats a great way to get a nice bike - most folks just looking for a decent bike for their kid do not have that luxury of available parts, skill set or time.

    I'm not dismissing an air fork per se - no doubt it is a huge performance upgrade in terms of actually functionality, small bump compliance, tunability and weight. But IMHO it only makes sense to prioritize that if your kid is going to benefit from those things - lots of kids at the age of riding these 24" bikes will never leave the pavement and if they do it'll only be on a smooth rail trail for which an air fork is overkill.

    I'm one of the worst of poring over spec sheets and weighing pros and cons of various bikes and trying to choose what I want in a bike for my kid that I get so wrapped up in trying to choose the "best" or the "best value" but at the end of the day my kid would ride the bikes and say she liked one because it was comfortable and easy to change gears and she didn't like another because the stand over was too high or the reach was too long or the shifters were stiff and hard to use (and unfortunately we had tears one time over the colors too).

    Now having stumbled across and bought an inexpensive used bike that fits my daughter well and she likes and is comfortable on (which based on specs, components and weight probably wouldn't have been the one I would have bought new) we are out riding a ton and tackling real MTB trails that I could not have anticipated riding with her a month ago.

    So my takeaway from going through the process recently is to figure out what compromise is acceptable to you, or how much work you are willing to put in and then buy a bike that your kid likes and fits and go ride a lot with them.
    (Sorry on reread that comes across a little preachy and it's really not intended to be but I think as bike enthusiast adults we agonize over stuff the kids don't care about or notice).

    Apologies for getting so far off topic of the C'dale race 24 ......

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    Since we're on the C-dale 24 subject anyway.

    Hoping one of you might be able to save me some search time. Her wheels are almost done, so i need to find a 32t WN ring for the front, the Raceface is working well on my son's bike, but she's a girl. I'm hoping to find someone that makes one in Pink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Since we're on the C-dale 24 subject anyway.

    Hoping one of you might be able to save me some search time. Her wheels are almost done, so i need to find a 32t WN ring for the front, the Raceface is working well on my son's bike, but she's a girl. I'm hoping to find someone that makes one in Pink.
    I thought Raceface made one in Pink but it may be hard to find.

    Another cheap upgrade to consider is grips. My daughter was complaining about hand pain. I replaced her grips with some ESI Race Grips (smaller diameter) and her complaints instantly went away.

    Also if your kids have issue with the stock Shimano Gripshifts, consider Sram X3. You can get it on Ebay for around $60 for the shifters and rear derailluer and my girl is much happier with it.

    We live and ride in the Foothills of Colorado. Elevation ranges from 6,000-9,000 ft where I've taken her riding and I will say the air fork plus gears she can easily shift, plus 135mm cranks has made a huge improvement in her riding.

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    Have the kid help in the decision

    @TwoTone:
    You are right about the fork... it is important. I had not realized how stiff and junky the entry level forks are. The specialized seemed better than the trek. The trek felt no different than a Department store fork. I wish I could check the Cannondale fork.
    However, I do not have spare parts and the Specialized XC has SRAM X3 rear and shifters which is one of the things mountaingoat epics was recommending above as an upgrade.


    Quote Originally Posted by dcp_nz View Post
    If you've got a spare parts bin of high end components then thats a great way to get a nice bike - most folks just looking for a decent bike for their kid do not have that luxury of available parts, skill set or time.

    I'm not dismissing an air fork per se - no doubt it is a huge performance upgrade in terms of actually functionality, small bump compliance, tunability and weight. But IMHO it only makes sense to prioritize that if your kid is going to benefit from those things - lots of kids at the age of riding these 24" bikes will never leave the pavement and if they do it'll only be on a smooth rail trail for which an air fork is overkill.

    I'm one of the worst of poring over spec sheets and weighing pros and cons of various bikes and trying to choose what I want in a bike for my kid that I get so wrapped up in trying to choose the "best" or the "best value" but at the end of the day my kid would ride the bikes and say she liked one because it was comfortable and easy to change gears and she didn't like another because the stand over was too high or the reach was too long or the shifters were stiff and hard to use (and unfortunately we had tears one time over the colors too).

    Now having stumbled across and bought an inexpensive used bike that fits my daughter well and she likes and is comfortable on (which based on specs, components and weight probably wouldn't have been the one I would have bought new) we are out riding a ton and tackling real MTB trails that I could not have anticipated riding with her a month ago.

    So my takeaway from going through the process recently is to figure out what compromise is acceptable to you, or how much work you are willing to put in and then buy a bike that your kid likes and fits and go ride a lot with them.
    (Sorry on reread that comes across a little preachy and it's really not intended to be but I think as bike enthusiast adults we agonize over stuff the kids don't care about or notice).

    Apologies for getting so far off topic of the C'dale race 24 ......
    Thanks a lot for the advice. It is really appreciated and I can relate to it!


    I have not yet made a purchase but did take my kid to a couple LBS (local shop) and he liked the "feel" of the trek, even though I was telling him that the comparable Specialized model had better 'specs.'
    Sadly, the Cannondale race is a special order item and we can't test ride them. If we decide that the fork is a more important item than the drivetrain, we will get the Cannondale. I have to take my son on a couple outings with the 20" to be sure he is committed and will enjoy it so that I can gauge how much to spend now (24" wheels) or how much to save for when he is more interested (26" wheels.)


    Does the Cannondale air fork feel the same as a 'regular' adult air fork?



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    hey mountaingoatepics that is a cool photo of your daughter descending over the rocks. The trails look cool too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lodalo View Post
    @TwoTone:
    You are right about the fork... it is important. I had not realized how stiff and junky the entry level forks are. The specialized seemed better than the trek. The trek felt no different than a Department store fork. I wish I could check the Cannondale fork.
    However, I do not have spare parts and the Specialized XC has SRAM X3 rear and shifters which is one of the things mountaingoat epics was recommending above as an upgrade.




    Thanks a lot for the advice. It is really appreciated and I can relate to it!


    I have not yet made a purchase but did take my kid to a couple LBS (local shop) and he liked the "feel" of the trek, even though I was telling him that the comparable Specialized model had better 'specs.'
    Sadly, the Cannondale race is a special order item and we can't test ride them. If we decide that the fork is a more important item than the drivetrain, we will get the Cannondale. I have to take my son on a couple outings with the 20" to be sure he is committed and will enjoy it so that I can gauge how much to spend now (24" wheels) or how much to save for when he is more interested (26" wheels.)


    Does the Cannondale air fork feel the same as a 'regular' adult air fork?


    The fork doesn't have all the adjustments an adult fork has, but it is a 1000x better than the junk on other kids bikes.

    I'm not trying to be an ass, but I really don't understand choosing a bike with a $19 RD over a bike with $200+ air fork.



    If you've been reading the kids bike threads on here, you'll notice a large majority switch to triggers because their kids find it easier to shift over grip.

    So even if you don't have a parts bin, X3 RD and shifter = $19 and $16 at Universal Cycles and that isn't even a sale price. So basically you'd be picking Specialized because it comes with $35 worth of drive train.

    I'd argue that the X3 is barely a step above the TX-35, but what your child will notice a big difference in going from grip shift to trigger.

    If the fork isn't important- then honestly save yourself money and weight and get the street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics View Post
    I'm thinking so as well.

    Two Tone, did you stick with the 152mm crank length?
    The BB is the same height as her 20" but her 20" had 140mm cranks and she has hit the pedals a few times on the road making a turn.

    I've tried teaching her the fundementals of making a turn, inside pedal up, outside pedal down but of course she still was doing it

    Anyway, correct length crank for for her 26 inch inseam is 145mm, she's going to grow so I thought about getting some anyway as her sister will grow into this bike.
    So a little late, but I had been shopping ebay trying to find a good deal and just couldn't find any. On one of these threads someone mentioned replacing the shorten Srams from Bikesmith, so I PMed him and bought them for my daughters bike. 140mm. In my experience shorter is better than too long.
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    @TwoTone
    Don't worry.. I am taking no offense and don't feel bad that you are chiming in.. on the other hand, I appreciate your time and willingness to help. :-)
    You have a point about getting the drivetrain parts separately at a better price than getting the fork later on.

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    I just picked this up for my son but the tires have proven to be just a tad too slick. Will the DMR Moto Digger MTB Tires in a 24/2.35" flavor fit? Or is it too wide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RidinGiant View Post
    I just picked this up for my son but the tires have proven to be just a tad too slick. Will the DMR Moto Digger MTB Tires in a 24/2.35" flavor fit? Or is it too wide?
    Man those are heavy as hell. If you go with a Schwalbe rocket ron in a 2.10. Cost a little more but onlu weighs 445g vs 750g.

    on 2 tires that's almost 1.25 lbs of rotating weight saved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RidinGiant View Post
    I just picked this up for my son but the tires have proven to be just a tad too slick. Will the DMR Moto Digger MTB Tires in a 24/2.35" flavor fit? Or is it too wide?
    Agree with TwoTone, those are super heavy. Rocket Rons are good. However, I used Maxxis Snypers with a kevlar bead on my daughter's C-dale for the year she was on the bike (they grow so fast, lol). They held great in corners, rolled fast and were a lot less than $ than RRs. I can't recall the weight but they were right between the RRs and the ones you're asking about. BTW, she dominated the 6-8 y/o kids class on that bike and tire combo :-)

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    Thanks for the tips, glad I checked here first...

    Googling both of those tires, it seems like direct from the manufacturer or eBay are my only sources for the 24". Where'd you guys buy yours from?

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    I found mine on Ebay. Your LBS should be able to order them from Maxxis if you can't find them online.

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