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    Planning a super Europe and UK adventure

    So I am planning on traveling around Europe and the UK for a long period of time in order to ride as many trails as possible. I am thinking I will start in the middle or near the end of spring.

    I want to begin in Southern Germany, probably Munich, then go up to central Germany, go east into the Czech Republic for a bit, then north into Poland, go west into Northeastern Germany and north into Denmark, north into Sweden and west into Norway, then south back into Denmark, south into Northwestern Germany, west into the Netherlands, south into Belgium, south into France, go west and then into the UK, north into Scotland, then southwest into Wales, west into Ireland, then back east into England, east into France, southeast into Luxembourg/Liechtenstein/southeastern France, east into Switzerland, east into Austria, east into Slovenia, south into Croatia, take a boat from Croatia into Northern Italy, west into Southern France, west into Andorra, south into Spain, and south west into Portugal, and then I go home.

    Hell of a trip, right? Anyway, so I want to know where some great trails are beforehand. I am sure I will learn of great places to ride while I am there, but I want to have somewhat of an idea where to go. I'd also really like to meet up with some local riders.

    I am also planning on staying in hostels. Do any of you have any experience/recommendations for hostels? What about staying in a hostel with a bike? Do you think it would be safe or will it get stolen when I am out at night? I am trying to do this for as cheap (but still safely) as possible because I am a recent college graduate who doesn't have a lot of money.

    Any help and tips would be extremely helpful. Thanks!

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    Hell of a trip is right... Do you have time to stop for the riding too?

    What kind of riding do you prefer? XC, Technical, FR/DH?

    In Sweden, http://www.arebikepark.com/en/ is probably worth a couple of days.

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime
    Hell of a trip is right... Do you have time to stop for the riding too?

    What kind of riding do you prefer? XC, Technical, FR/DH?

    In Sweden, http://www.arebikepark.com/en/ is probably worth a couple of days.
    Thanks for the link! I ride everything. I would like to ride more FR/DH because my area does not have much of it, but any and all trail suggestions are welcome.

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    There should be many threads here about places in France, UK, Italy, and more. I am not familiar with that scene myself...

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkem
    Oh man that looks like so much fun, but I don't think I will be there in time for it. But it does have a link to the bikepark, so I will definitely try to ride it when I get there.

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    You may ask the user stuntzi in the mtb-news.de/forum , he has done trips like this quite often and has a lot of experience. I think it will be ok if you ask him via PM (log in necessary).

    Here are some of his threads, he has posted them from on the road:

    http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=396385
    http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=302563
    http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=276199
    http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=236710
    http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=328846

    www.bikeparkmap.com will give you some more information.

    I dont know where you are from, and if you have been to Europe before. This sounds like a trip over 2 or 3 years? Do you want to do this on bike or will you travel with a car or whatever? Maybe you should put some more quality int it instead of quantity?

    If you want to ride it all on your bike, and are looking for AM/FR (not endless fireroads and paved cycling paths), then you should put your focus on the higher mountains (Alps). There are some nice trails in the lower mountain regions of middle Germany and Czech/Poland/France etc., but not too many.

    Edit: thx @clemson, her the ultimate book:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mountain-Bik...dp/190609831X/
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    Quote Originally Posted by cxfahrer
    You may ask the user stuntzi in the mtb-news.de/forum , he has done trips like this quite often and has a lot of experience. I think it will be ok if you ask him via PM (log in necessary).

    Here are some of his threads, he has posted them from on the road:

    http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=396385
    http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=302563
    http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=276199
    http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=236710
    http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=328846

    www.bikeparkmap.com will give you some more information.

    I dont know where you are from, and if you have been to Europe before. This sounds like a trip over 2 or 3 years? Do you want to do this on bike or will you travel with a car or whatever? Maybe you should put some more quality int it instead of quantity?

    If you want to ride it all on your bike, and are looking for AM/FR (not endless fireroads and paved cycling paths), then you should put your focus on the higher mountains (Alps). There are some nice trails in the lower mountain regions of middle Germany and Czech/Poland/France etc., but not too many.

    Edit: thx @clemson, her the ultimate book:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mountain-Bik...dp/190609831X/
    Wow, thank you very much! This is extremely helpful. Yes, this trip will be very long. Perhaps a minimum of 1 year. I want to travel to the destinations via train or maybe even cheap flights like Ryanair. I'm not looking to only ride AM/FR/DH. I also want to ride XC, and maybe a few paved trails once in a while. I am definitely going to put a lot of thought into this trip. The list I gave was the ideal amount of countries to go to, but plans always change.

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    Are you traveling with your own bike, or want to rent bikes?

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    i rode at bullhead mountain aka Ochsenkopf, in Fleckl Germany last summer. i stayed at the bullhead pension. it was 20 euro a night. here's my review:

    http://trails.mtbr.com/cat/trails-ar...4_4537crx.aspx

    i also went to Lermoos, Austria. i stayed in a mountain bike hotel. there were mtb tours offered at http://www.bikeguiding.at/entrance.html. i rode 2 freeride tours. it wasn't was more like all mountain than free ride. it was epic.

    both places mentioned above have lifts. i used human power to ride up. it was painful but good for me. all in all, i had a great time! i live in Wiesbaden, Germany and there is a lack of technical singletrack in my area.

    have fun planning and riding!

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime
    Are you traveling with your own bike, or want to rent bikes?
    I am seriously debating between bringing my own bike and renting. There are positives and negatives for both. I am leaning more towards bringing my own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangster
    i rode at bullhead mountain aka Ochsenkopf, in Fleckl Germany last summer. i stayed at the bullhead pension. it was 20 euro a night. here's my review:

    http://trails.mtbr.com/cat/trails-ar...4_4537crx.aspx

    i also went to Lermoos, Austria. i stayed in a mountain bike hotel. there were mtb tours offered at http://www.bikeguiding.at/entrance.html. i rode 2 freeride tours. it wasn't was more like all mountain than free ride. it was epic.

    both places mentioned above have lifts. i used human power to ride up. it was painful but good for me. all in all, i had a great time! i live in Wiesbaden, Germany and there is a lack of technical singletrack in my area.

    have fun planning and riding!
    Awesome, thank you so much! You mentioned in my other thread about staying away from hostels in big cities, why is that? Also, do you remember the mountain bike hotel that you stayed in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cicatrix
    Awesome, thank you so much! You mentioned in my other thread about staying away from hostels in big cities, why is that? Also, do you remember the mountain bike hotel that you stayed in?
    i don't remember the name but it was in Ehrwald. i originally went to Garmisch and i hated it. i wanted something more technical and more single track. someone told me to go to Austria. since it was last minute, i just stayed at what was available. there was a bike hotel right in Lermoors. it cost more. i'm cheap.

    as for big cities, i've stayed in plenty of hostels in big cities in my lifetime. people are great. i usually only bring a backpack and tour the city. i just don't like my stuff being stolen. and i sure as hell don't want my bike stolen. hostels also don't have a place to store bikes.

    since you池e planning a mtb holiday, i have a dilemma of my own and would like an opinion. I知 currently planning some trips of my own in Europe this July. I知 already booked 7 days of riding in Croatia/Slovenia and a 9 day diving vacation in Gozo, Malta where I知 bringing my bike. I知 torn between Scotland, Transylvania, and Greece. Which would you pick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangster
    i don't remember the name but it was in Ehrwald. i originally went to Garmisch and i hated it. i wanted something more technical and more single track. someone told me to go to Austria. s
    ....

    since you池e planning a mtb holiday, i have a dilemma of my own and would like an opinion. I知 currently planning some trips of my own in Europe this July. I知 already booked 7 days of riding in Croatia/Slovenia and a 9 day diving vacation in Gozo, Malta where I知 bringing my bike. I知 torn between Scotland, Transylvania, and Greece. Which would you pick?
    Too bad you missed all the great technical trails at Garmisch - they are not lift assisted, but easy to find.
    Did you mean the CUBE Hotel at Lermoos? Lermoos is only 15minutes from Garmisch anyway. For a cheap and mtb friendly stay I can recommend the Naturfreundehaus (Ms. Forelle) at Garmisch-Partenkirchen.

    I havent been to Scotland or Transsylvania yet, but very often to Greece. I dont htink you can compare those three places in any way. What do you want? For MTB I think Scotland is best. Hanging around at a beach with other people and occasionally try some MTB trails, thats Greece.
    Transsylvania is Romania - there is very little info and what I read in a mag there a no trails worth riding but wolves and bears ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangster
    i don't remember the name but it was in Ehrwald. i originally went to Garmisch and i hated it. i wanted something more technical and more single track. someone told me to go to Austria. since it was last minute, i just stayed at what was available. there was a bike hotel right in Lermoors. it cost more. i'm cheap.

    as for big cities, i've stayed in plenty of hostels in big cities in my lifetime. people are great. i usually only bring a backpack and tour the city. i just don't like my stuff being stolen. and i sure as hell don't want my bike stolen. hostels also don't have a place to store bikes.

    since you池e planning a mtb holiday, i have a dilemma of my own and would like an opinion. I知 currently planning some trips of my own in Europe this July. I知 already booked 7 days of riding in Croatia/Slovenia and a 9 day diving vacation in Gozo, Malta where I知 bringing my bike. I知 torn between Scotland, Transylvania, and Greece. Which would you pick?
    Scotland. I've looked into it and talked to people, and everyone tells me I have to go to Scotland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cxfahrer
    Too bad you missed all the great technical trails at Garmisch - they are not lift assisted, but easy to find.
    Did you mean the CUBE Hotel at Lermoos? Lermoos is only 15minutes from Garmisch anyway. For a cheap and mtb friendly stay I can recommend the Naturfreundehaus (Ms. Forelle) at Garmisch-Partenkirchen.

    I havent been to Scotland or Transsylvania yet, but very often to Greece. I dont htink you can compare those three places in any way. What do you want? For MTB I think Scotland is best. Hanging around at a beach with other people and occasionally try some MTB trails, thats Greece.
    Transsylvania is Romania - there is very little info and what I read in a mag there a no trails worth riding but wolves and bears ....
    Thank you for the recommendation!

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    Scotland...
    ... did you already find:

    http://www.7stanes.gov.uk/

    and

    http://www.ridefortwilliam.co.uk/

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    Quote Originally Posted by cxfahrer
    Too bad you missed all the great technical trails at Garmisch - they are not lift assisted, but easy to find.
    Did you mean the CUBE Hotel at Lermoos? Lermoos is only 15minutes from Garmisch anyway. For a cheap and mtb friendly stay I can recommend the Naturfreundehaus (Ms. Forelle) at Garmisch-Partenkirchen.

    I havent been to Scotland or Transsylvania yet, but very often to Greece. I dont htink you can compare those three places in any way. What do you want? For MTB I think Scotland is best. Hanging around at a beach with other people and occasionally try some MTB trails, thats Greece.
    Transsylvania is Romania - there is very little info and what I read in a mag there a no trails worth riding but wolves and bears ....
    If you can tell me where the Garmisch trail starts, i'll be more than happy to check it out. It wasn't the cube. i did ride by it.

    i'm looking for more technical trails. there was a great article in a Germany mountain bike magazine on Transylvania. That's the only reason why i am considering it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime
    Scotland...
    ... did you already find:

    http://www.7stanes.gov.uk/

    and

    http://www.ridefortwilliam.co.uk/
    I saw the first one, but not the second. Thank you. I also found some trails in Wales that look really interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangster
    If you can tell me where the Garmisch trail starts, i'll be more than happy to check it out. It wasn't the cube. i did ride by it.

    i'm looking for more technical trails. there was a great article in a Germany mountain bike magazine on Transylvania. That's the only reason why i am considering it.
    Ah, you have read it in the FREERIDE mag.
    Why donエt you ask Dimitri Lehner himself (there should be a email contact in the mag)?

    Garmisch-Partenkirchen:
    1. google for the two downloads of the FREERIDE mag
    2. buy the KOMPASS map Nr.5 "Wettersteingebirge"
    3. look on the map for Notkar, Schafkopf (Farchant), Fricken (not up to the peak!), Stepbergalm, Bernadeinsteig, Hllental from Osterfelderkopf, Herzogstand. More trails that are on my list are: R+B-stein, Schachenhaus (very extreme!), Hohe Kisten, Daniel, and many more. All these trails are not allowed for mtb, so do not ride them on a sunny summer day, when they are too crowded by hikers. To find the trails, just look on the map - the more zigzag, the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cxfahrer
    Ah, you have read it in the FREERIDE mag.
    Why donエt you ask Dimitri Lehner himself (there should be a email contact in the mag)?

    Garmisch-Partenkirchen:
    1. google for the two downloads of the FREERIDE mag
    2. buy the KOMPASS map "Estergebirge"
    3. look on the map for Notkar, Schafkopf (Farchant), Fricken (not up to the peak!), Stepbergalm, Bernadeinsteig, Hllenklamm from Osterfelderkopf, Herzogstand. More trails that are on my list are: R+B-stein, Schachenhaus (very extreme!), Hohe Kisten, Daniel, and many more. All these trails are not allowed for mtb, so do not ride them on a sunny summer day, when they are too crowded by hikers. To find the trails, just look on the map - the more zigzag, the better.
    I did post some fotos of last time I was there here:
    Just riding around in Germany - pix

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    Quote Originally Posted by cxfahrer
    I did post some fotos of last time I was there here:
    Just riding around in Germany - pix
    That looks fun!

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    I've read that the DH World Cup was moved from Schladming to Leogang (both in Austria) because of construction for some ski event in 2013, does anyone know if that means Schladming is closed for all riding or just for the competition?

    Also, from more and more research, it looks like I will be spending a lot of my time in Austria, Germany, and Switzerland. I keep finding more places to ride there every time I look online.

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    Found this website, I am very happy to have found it!

    http://www.dh-rangers.com/bike-parks/

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    If you still manage to go North, go as far North as you can. And go in the middle of Summer.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_sun

    Norway probably has the most rugged terrain in the North:

    http://www.petefagerlin.com/norway.htm

    http://www.google.fi/search?q=mtb+no...ed=0CDEQqwQwAQ

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