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    "You should really try EPO"

    I was in a bike shop recently and a bike shop employees told me I should use EPO--after I shared I like to do master's class endurance races. I laughed and said, "Oh, yaw, I'm going to risk my health to beat Bob from Boise." I have always thought it was pathetic to use performance enhancing drugs unless you are Lance Armstrong and you have to use them to compete.

    I recently found an article in a Bend, Oregon article paper detailing how drugs are on the uptick among master's athletes trying to find the fountain of youth. The article talks about how you can tell if someone is doing drugs if they all of sudden start winning races and never had in the past. It also talks about 50-year-old guys who are 2% body fat and how weird that looks.

    Would you use EPO to move into the top 10?

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    Um, no. I would not use EPO to be more competitive. I'm also the guy has never bought an energy drink because I know it isn't good for my body. I enjoy racing, doing well, placing in my age group, sometimes winning, but it doesn't define who I am. I do not care that much. I'll just stick to riding locally if I determine racing isn't fun or rewarding anymore. There are people that have to win and do anything to win, but that isn't me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybo View Post
    Would you use EPO?
    Not now, not ever.

    My die-hard roadie friends would agree that use of performance enhancing drugs is happening in masters racing, but I'm not sure how they really know with any certainty.
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    Not sure it would vault me from dead last to the podium.
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    Not a chance. It would only move me up to mid pack finishes anyway.

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    I would have better results if I gave up my vices and trained, instead of adding another vice. If you read Tyler's book, you still have to train like a MoFo to rep the benefits of big blood. Plus blood transfusions are what the cools kids are doing now, none of that pesky EPO residue in your system for anyone to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbsbiker View Post
    If you read Tyler's book, you still have to train like a MoFo to rep the benefits of big blood.
    Good read?
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    Quote Originally Posted by "Rod" View Post
    Um, no. I would not use EPO to be more competitive. I'm also the guy has never bought an energy drink because I know it isn't good for my body. I enjoy racing, doing well, placing in my age group, sometimes winning, but it doesn't define who I am. I do not care that much. I'll just stick to riding locally if I determine racing isn't fun or rewarding anymore. There are people that have to win and do anything to win, but that isn't me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    Good read?
    Yes, very good read. The level of detail he goes into is fascinating. It changed my opinion about the "level playing field" and granting all riders amnesty.
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    The Secret Race was very good but Hamilton kind of sounds like a guy with sour grapes. EPO raises a guy's risk for heart attack, pulmonary embolism, and stroke due thicker viscosity of the blood. Plus it is very expensive and like said above won't help you unless you are really at the top of your game and need a 10 percent increase in ability. If you are an hour behind the best riders you are screwed No EPO can save our slow butts!

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    I can see the rational for pro's doping, even if I don't agree with it.

    As a master, I am just out to prove to myself that I can accomplish something. No one else cares how I do. I don't see the point in masters doping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bridger View Post
    Energy drinks are bad for you? damn! I'm addicted to RockStar's.
    Bad for your wallet at the least. That's enough for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    Not now, not ever.

    My die-hard roadie friends would agree that use of performance enhancing drugs is happening in masters racing, but I'm not sure how they really know with any certainty.
    I was hearing that this weekend from a die hard roadie friend. Sad that its a topic that comes up so often now.
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    As one who is also a devoted roadie, I realize that I take my training and racing far too seriously and put it far higher on my priority list than any Adult with a career and family ought to be putting his amateur hobbies. I justify it, however, by telling myself that because it is exercise, it is filling a need; killing two birds with one stone, everyone should be exercising for the health benefits anyway, so why not spend little more time and money on making it something I can enjoying? By taking it to a point where I am negating the health benefits of exercise by drugging myself up for racing glory, I feel I would no longer be able to justify having the hobby at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybo View Post
    ... EPO raises a guy's risk for heart attack, pulmonary embolism, and stroke due thicker viscosity of the blood. Plus it is very expensive ...
    Dude, it isn't expensive if you just hang around at the entrance to Amgen in Boulder offering to trade sex for EPO:

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    Yeah don't know why it is that important to beat everyone else ..... Just showing up is an epic win!


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    I'd use EPO just before bed to see what sex is like doped up....
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    Wouldn't dope... sounds like a bad idea...
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    Blood doping is the ticket. They can't test for that yet. I wonder how many guys have their blood in the fridge waiting to inject it back in. I guarantee there are Joes doing that right now.

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    EPO in masters riders. Like it matters whether they win or lose. I ride because I enjoy it. I race to test myself. If there were no more events to ride, I would make up my own. If I place in a race, it's a bonus. Now get out there and ride.

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    Doping is a horrible idea unless you are racing the TDF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barheet View Post
    I'd use EPO just before bed to see what sex is like doped up....
    If you get an erection that lasts longer than 4 hours, be sure to cal 911. (and brag about it)
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    Ha

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    If you get an erection that lasts longer than 4 hours, be sure to cal 911. (and brag about it)
    I hear the growth potential is fantastic

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    EPO should be an activity at all nursing homes.
    Sorry for the elderly quip,but I'm finding all this EPO crap funny!
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    as we get older test levels lower just start with some Androgel gel from your doctor if u have low t. Problem solved at least for energy levels and muscle recovery and strength. It really does not do much for endurance IMO more of a high intensity thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybo View Post
    "Oh, yaw, I'm going to risk my health to beat Bob from Boise."

    Would you use EPO to move into the top 10?
    Hey, now that I'm in Boise, I think I've met Bob...

    Funny thing is, 12 years ago when I ruptured my kidney in a DH crash, I got a prescription for EPO. Never filled it (bike mechanic with no insurance,) but held on to that 'scrip for years. Unfortunately, I lost it in one of the past 3 moves.

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    the purpose of using performance enchancing drugs is to gain an unfair advantage against other atheletes. It is cheating which is wrong and no performance enhancing drugs should be used.
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    Ummmm...
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    Huh. Okay...
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    Steve Larson once told me the master field at an NRC event was the most doped field in the race. One in 10 was a doctor and the other 9 had the money to buy the goods. Unfortantly I'm pretty sure Steve was right.

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    ^^ Wow this thread blows my mind. Why would someone care to dope in some stupid local race where no money is on the line? Why not just save yourself the money and cut the course? Or better yet, why not just sit your ass at home on the couch because there is no #!$% point to cheating in some stupid local race that nobody will even remember a few weeks later!

    Tyler Hamilton's book is a great read, I highly recommend it. He points out that doping has little effect in the shorter races (especially one day races). Even then it is only going to increase your potential by about 10%, which won't amount to much of an improvement if you are already 20 lbs overweight and aren't on the bike 5 hours a day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    ^^ Wow this thread blows my mind. Why would someone care to dope in some stupid local race where no money is on the line? Why not just save yourself the money and cut the course? Or better yet, why not just sit your ass at home on the couch because there is no #!$% point to cheating in some stupid local race that nobody will even remember a few weeks later!

    Tyler Hamilton's book is a great read, I highly recommend it. He points out that doping has little effect in the shorter races (especially one day races). Even then it is only going to increase your potential by about 10%, which won't amount to much of an improvement if you are already 20 lbs overweight and aren't on the bike 5 hours a day...
    ego and laziness are the reasons behind doping in those races imo. those people don't really consider cheating as bad thing, they probably think that they are better than you because it takes balls to cheat, so you got no balls!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybo View Post
    I was in a bike shop recently and a bike shop employees told me I should use EPO--after I shared I like to do master's class endurance races. I laughed and said, "Oh, yaw, I'm going to risk my health to beat Bob from Boise." I have always thought it was pathetic to use performance enhancing drugs unless you are Lance Armstrong and you have to use them to compete.

    I recently found an article in a Bend, Oregon article paper detailing how drugs are on the uptick among master's athletes trying to find the fountain of youth. The article talks about how you can tell if someone is doing drugs if they all of sudden start winning races and never had in the past. It also talks about 50-year-old guys who are 2% body fat and how weird that looks.

    Would you use EPO to move into the top 10?

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    I have a feeling the bike shop guys were just joking around with you. I remember working at a bike shop back in the day and seeing guys (like myself now...ouch) with a bunch of cash and no time to ride buying gear that they'd never ride hard enough to make use of. If I had some EPO though...those carbon fiber, tubular, sub 1000 gram wheels might make sense though...That was a joke BTW.

    But anyways, for the answer to the question in the OP, no, I'd never do EPO. Its way dangerous and the effects are not lasting. Testosterone is another story though. If I was older and had naturally declining T levels, I'd take it in a minute. There's a big difference between the roided out bodybuilder and the 45 year old guy who's having trouble getting it up and is tired all the time. I don't think I'd race though, even with a legal perscription to testosterone, I'd feel guilty.

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    All the old guys will be on testosterone in a few years. Everyone is taking it in MMA.

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    As an old guy who can't help but ride slow, i have low T and I'll say i will never take it cuz me like most old guys have enlarged prostate and the warnings are quite clear Androgel will prol give you cancer.
    And man boobs.

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    You can easily raise your t-levels by training. Strength training is especially effective. Even without training, the drop in t-levels is very small as you get older. Men between 40 and 60 has the same levels as 16-19 year old boys. Men in their 20s an 30s have only slightly higher levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limba View Post
    All the old guys will be on testosterone in a few years. Everyone is taking it in MMA.
    I'm not surprised since it may not the brightest guys wo do MMA. At least not if they are over 40.

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