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    Are XTR pedals still a bust?

    Relatively speaking of course. I've been holding off on a new set of 980's or 985's because I've read so many negative reviews about clogging with mud and bearing/bushing problems. Any kind words out there for these pedals or would I be better off looking for some old new- stock 970's that are still getting good reviews?

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    I wanted them as well but passed based on the reviews here. I bought XT for 72 dollars. At that price if they blow up I don't really care. I''d wait for the next generation of XTR to come out and go with a cheaper Shimano pedal for now. They all work, they just get heavier as you go down in price.

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    I don't ride much in the mud (lots of stream crossing though so they get wet) but I have beating on my XTR's for over 2 years and haven't had any issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Mama View Post
    I don't ride much in the mud (lots of stream crossing though so they get wet) but I have beating on my XTR's for over 2 years and haven't had any issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Mama View Post
    I don't ride much in the mud (lots of stream crossing though so they get wet) but I have beating on my XTR's for over 2 years and haven't had any issues.
    I got a set of 970s when they first became available in 2007. They have been on my primary bike ever since. Tons of miles, many beatings. Bent part of the body and got replacement parts. Bearings are still smooth as butter. They have been amazing.

    I hadn't heard about negative reviews of the current models, but that's probably because I'm not in the market for any. My 970s with six seasons are still bomber. (Now I'm probably jinxing myself, I'll snap a spindle on my next ride I bet!)
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    All the talk about mud shedding problems were likely from people used to crank brothers. If mud shedding is your primary goal then crank brothers might be a better option... just accept the fact that they break and need bearing rebuilds all the time. Mud shedding isn't THAT much worse on the 980s vs 970s. I've had a pair of the 970s for about 4 years with absolutely no problems. My initial pair of 980s had bearing issues after a year of racing and abuse. Shimano gave me a completely new pair without questions, after using them for another year of racing/abuse they are still perfect.

    One thing I noticed on the 'new' pair of 980s is that they shortened the exposed pedal spindle by moving the pedal body closer to the crank. This seems to address the issue I had with the previous pair, which seemed to have issues due to the bearings having so much leverage on them due to such a long lever (pedal spindle). While a new version might be cool I'd buy another pair of the 980s without concern.

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    I've had a set of 985s for over two years now. Mud shedding is excellent / never had a problem with that. I do live in CO, so it's pretty dry most of the year, but have gone out a few times when snow is melting and it gets sloppy. Still no issues.

    I've beating them up a lot. They did start to get play in the axle to pedal interface. I called up Shimano and they said that it was a feature. You could run the pedals with a loose axle to pedal interface as some people liked that. It sounded like BS to me, so I emailed mountain bike action magazine about them and they posted a pretty comprehensive replay. I had to take them apart, grease the bearings and screw them back together. They still have a little play in them, but aren't as bad as they were (I'm sure a better mechanic than me can get them to fit better / I'm a bit of a hack). The biggest issue is the gold nut on them is really soft metal and rounds pretty easily.

    I recently got a pair of carbon soled shoes, so the extra cage on the 985 vs 980 is now a waste for me. It did help with my older softer soled shoes. I also have the 780s on another bike and they work great. If I needed a new pair for my race mtb I'd probably just get the 780s. Double the price to save 33g isn't worth it for me and I don't notice the width difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcoomer View Post
    980's??
    yes

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    I snapped the axle deep inside the pedal on one of my 980's with a couple of thousand miles on them. Probably only put about 700 miles on the replacements last year so can't comment if they're any better than the earlier ones.
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    I had bought 2 pairs of 980s last year. Both of them got the same race and training abuse and the bearings and bushings are toast. I'm going to send them back and see what happens. Its a great pedal and the mud sheadding isn't too bad. The price is another story but hey I bought 2 pairs.

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    Suck. Inconsistent release and engagement and suck in mud. The older 970 were better.

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    After 3 Eggbeater failures, including one during a race; I went to XTR 980's. They've been rock solid just like every other Shimano product I've used. I still wouldn't discourage anyone from Eggbeaters, good pedal, just not for me. It's sad b/c if you read enough reviews, you will find that everything sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asbury View Post
    After 3 Eggbeater failures, including one during a race; I went to XTR 980's. They've been rock solid just like every other Shimano product I've used. I still wouldn't discourage anyone from Eggbeaters, good pedal, just not for me. It's sad b/c if you read enough reviews, you will find that everything sucks.
    Definitely some truth in the last part of your comment. Folks will trash a product that gives them the slightest problem but there's a common thread in a lot of the reviews I've read. If there's a little smoke there may or may not be a fire but when there's a lot of smoke you better get a hose ready. I was hoping that more recent reviews would indicate that bearing play and bush displacement were problems more commonly associated with previous years and not the newer renditions but apparently those problems still exist. Since these pedals will be going on my Stumpy for trail riding I think I'll drop back and punt. Most folks rave about 970's and I can still find old new-stock. Should work well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limba View Post
    I wanted them as well but passed based on the reviews here. I bought XT for 72 dollars. At that price if they blow up I don't really care. I''d wait for the next generation of XTR to come out and go with a cheaper Shimano pedal for now. They all work, they just get heavier as you go down in price.
    I've always been a big fan of XT. I feel like you get last year's XTR after they get the bugs worked out.

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    I have had a pair for over a year now, they have been great.I have had the previous models as well. I will ask this from the negative comment providers. Did you guys re grease bearing and spindle or just ride them until they failed? I have re greased mine 2 times. If they spin super free then they need grease, if you ride in lots of water and mud they need grease. I only say this because I believe pedals are over looked when it comes to maintenance.

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    Yes. Are XTR pedals still a bust?-imageuploadedbytapatalk1358385257.694125.jpg. A known issue, and no warning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islander View Post
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    Huge Shimano pedal fan.

    I've got one set of newer XTR's that have been rolling since early 2011.

    I've got another set I just started using in March '12. My riding was split between the two bikes, more on the older set. The newer set was taken off in late September '12. I was putting a bike together last week with the newer pedals, and the axle broke off in my hands while spinning the cranks.

    Weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islander View Post
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    My 15 month old 980's did this. But they were quickly replaced no questions asked. Second set have been pretty good except the seal walked its way out so required a strip, clean and grease.

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    That's great they were replaced but Crank Brothers will do the exact same thing. The whole point of buying Shimano is to have something reliable. If they're both going to break you might as well use Eggs and lose a lot of weight.

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    I have the XTR's and they have been worry free. Great pedals

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    I have a pair of 970s and 980s. The reliability of the 970s are laughable in a good way. They probably have well over 10K miles on them and not a single issue. The 980s had a "known issue" early on (play in the pedal/axle) and were warranted with no questions asked. The new set have 2300 miles and still feel like new; no excessive play. I think the early production 980s had issues, but they seem fine now..

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    I have a new pair (2 months ) that so far are working fine. My riding buddy has an older pair (of the current model) that have crapped-out bearings twice before and now trouble for third time. I think Shimano replaced once and LBS rebuilt once and now he's having trouble again. He's not a faker or troll so I think there is some justification for the reliability concerns.

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    My XTRs have been bomber. No issues, no problems.

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    Over 60hrs racing on 980's last year with no issues. They've been through quite a few deep mud puddles as well. I do find they get packed up with snow quite easily though, but what doesn't I guess.

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    My almost two-year old XTR trail PD-M985 drive side pedal just failed:


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    Quote Originally Posted by hmorsi View Post
    My almost two-year old XTR trail PD-M985 drive side pedal just failed:

    Based on things I've heard elsewhere and what was said in this thread, I went and found myself some NOS PD-M970 just like the pair I've been using and abusing since 2007 with just a couple times having shoved new grease into them. The old ones are still working perfectly, but they are now my spares.

    I hope very much that it isn't true that Shimano is sacrificing reliability/durability for weight savings (my assumption). Yes, Eggbeaters have and will always be lighter, but choosing shimano used to mean choosing reliability/durability.
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    Bonus video of my XTR trail drive side pedal killing itself:



    I've shared this video and a couple MTBR threads about XTR pedal failure on Shimano MTB's Facebook page, but received no reactions although they seem to answer pretty much everything people ask on their page.

    If the issues with these pedals are so prevalent, why not issue a recall? It's not like Shimano is a small company, and a sudden pedal failure while riding is dangerous.

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    Why all this talk of shimano vs eggbeater? I've been running Time's since 98, no failures ever. I still have my original carbon versions on my cross bike, the composite on the pedal platform below the springs on that pair have worn through but they still work great. The newer xs version I have on my mtb now are bomber, and I love the addition of the adjustable tension, none of the sliding on glass feel of the originals, or eggbeaters for that matter.
    The old shimano pedals were bullet proof (I had the original 737s from 1991 which are on one of my wife's bikes now), too bad they aren't anymore.

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    I opted not to get the xtr pedals and went xt based on all the people having issues with the pedal body coming off the axle. If the xt's blow up, no harm done as they are a lot less expensive.

    Now what is funny is I have a set of xtr m747 pedals that I purchased new back in 1997. These things have an insane amount of miles on them, they have been on at least 5 bikes since then. Not a single issue whatsoever, they still work flawless to this day.

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    I tried Times years ago, going from XT. Straight away I was impressed that they actually worked in the mud. Havn't looked back since.

    I'm always surprised more people don't use Times. I've found them great and they seem to last years and years. I have one really old pair of Atacs (the green ones, at least 10 years old) and 2 pairs of XS carbons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement View Post
    I snapped the axle deep inside the pedal on one of my 980's with a couple of thousand miles on them. Probably only put about 700 miles on the replacements last year so can't comment if they're any better than the earlier ones.
    Spoke too soon, the nds pedal had the rubber seal come out onto the axle. Not sure if it's possible to get it back into place or not. Anyone else had the seal come out?

    edit: serviced and pushed the seal back into place, lets see if it stays there.
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    I've never had any issues with any Shimano pedals, trial of xc. I will say though, that I've never really used them for more than a year at a time (usually sold my old ones to get a new pair) and that I regularly maintain them by taking them apart, regressing them, and making sure everything is good. I would totally recommend Shimano to anyone wanting a solid and durable pedal.

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    RE: Are XTR pedals still a bust?

    LOL, I also spoke too soon as well. My 780s which are less than a year old are really loose / wobbly now as well. My old 525s were bomb proof and lasted 10 years.

    The point of Shimano over cranks bro was always reliability. Now they are heavier, worse mud shedding and no more reliable. I might give xpedo pedals a try instead....
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    I very happy with my 985s after 2 years 1500+ mi and 0 issues. I ride technical xc, definitely not downhill and I avoid muddy days.

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    Less than two days after I posted on this thread with positive reviews of XTR's, mine busted. They were covered under warranty, but I'm still a bit bummed as they were less than a year old and had not been mistreated in any way. I'm happy with the warranty replacement, but still a bit baffled as to how pedals that cost so much can be "run through" in no time. I do put a lot of miles in every week, but still, only a year?

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    Re: Are XTR pedals still a bust?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pike14 View Post
    Less than two days after I posted on this thread with positive reviews of XTR's, mine busted. They were covered under warranty, but I'm still a bit bummed as they were less than a year old and had not been mistreated in any way. I'm happy with the warranty replacement, but still a bit baffled as to how pedals that cost so much can be "run through" in no time. I do put a lot of miles in every week, but still, only a year?
    Pike14, what are the production codes on yours? I am speculating that most of the reported failures are of batches produced between January and July 2011. Too soon to tell if newer batches are any better longevity wise. I decided to use my replacement pair and find out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmorsi View Post
    Pike14, what are the production codes on yours? I am speculating that most of the reported failures are of batches produced between January and July 2011. Too soon to tell if newer batches are any better longevity wise. I decided to use my replacement pair and find out!

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    Not sure of what the production codes are on the old ones as they were already sent back by my shop. I haven't looked at the new ones yet, but I hope they're after the times you think to have been the bad production periods!

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