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    Ultracentric results?

    So who won the Ultracentric 24 and 48 races in McKinney this weekend?
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    We won the 24hr 4man race. I didn't know the 24solo winner, but it wasn't who I was expecting. The 48solo winner was that Haas guy.

    edit: I wouldn't expect the results to be posted anytime soon, if at all. That was the worst run event I've ever been to and the race director, Robert Tavernini, is a lying pos. We got absolutely nothing for first place...just an "attaboy". We spoke with the owner of the "sponsoring" bike shop, and he had no idea he was a race sponsor. In good faith, the shop owner offered to refund our entry fees....but we declined. Robert had promised $3k worth of cash/swag from said bike shop. This will be Robert Tavernini's last dance in the mtb world and I won't do another ultracentric event until he is replaced as race director.
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    24 Hour Solo winner

    The winner of the 24 hour solo was a Florida college student. His first name is Chris and I won't even attempt to butcher the spelling of his last name.

    Chris was a pretty impressive young rider, he was keeping pace with our 4 man team for a while. And he won the event without any support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kstine71
    The winner of the 24 hour solo was a Florida college student. His first name is Chris and I won't even attempt to butcher the spelling of his last name.

    Chris was a pretty impressive young rider, he was keeping pace with our 4 man team for a while. And he won the event without any support.
    Chris was an impressive young man, for sure. However, he was sent home without a payout check and a promise of "we'll talk next week". Doubt he'll get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chainringrrl
    Chris was an impressive young man, for sure. However, he was sent home without a payout check and a promise of "we'll talk next week". Doubt he'll get it.

    That's absolutely ridiculous. What excuse did Robert give for not handing him a check? Did he claim that Chris didn't earn it, or did Robert just not have it to give?


    (I was the 2nd place solo finisher, missed the "mileage requirement for payout" by 24 miles, partly due to poor promoter communication)

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    That sucks! That's a college kid that drove all the way from Florida for this race. I know the guy was racing a Moots, but I'm sure he could have used the prize money as most students could.

    I wonder what the story is with the prize money. Considering the extremely high entry fees, you'd think they could payout as advertised.

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    What a POS!! That prize money was attractive and I almost booked a flight down at the last minute in hopes of coming home with some. Fortunately, I couldn't quite pull it off at the last minute.
    Does anyone know if there were any women solos or SS solos? If so, who won?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ketchd
    Does anyone know if there were any women solos or SS solos? If so, who won?
    There was at least one women solo 24 that I saw. She was pitting next to our tent and there were Colorado plates on their SUV. Didn't catch the name, but I'm pretty sure she won.

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    I raced SS solo (men), but they didn't score SS any differently than geared.
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    Were you the first place SS? If so, then he owes you $3K. Check out:

    http://www.ultracentric.net/mountainbike.html

    That prize money is for all 24 and 48 hour categories (male, female, SS).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ketchd
    Were you the first place SS? If so, then he owes you $3K. Check out:

    http://www.ultracentric.net/mountainbike.html

    That prize money is for all 24 and 48 hour categories (male, female, SS).
    He was 1st SS solo 24, 2nd 24 solo overall. Had a pretty amazing race.
    But if you'll notice, they made a small change a day or two before the race and attached a minimum mileage to the payouts (big green box halfway down the page).

    I agree PBnJ should get paid. If you advertise (and charge huge fees), you should also be held accountable to what you stated day 1 to attract racers to pay these entry fees. The fact that minimum mileage requirements were posted days before the race (I wasn't aware of them until after the fact) is low-down.

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    I was just noticing that little last minute BS add-on requirement. It could also be interpreted that if you meet the requirements, then you'd get the $4K (instead of $3K) that it says..... Who knows. What a f'n jack@ss. I'm glad I didn't go down there for the race, cuz I might be behind bars today for kickin' the sh!t out of him.
    PBnJ, great job man! Was there much climbing? How long were the laps? How many did you knock off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ketchd
    PBnJ, great job man! Was there much climbing? How long were the laps? How many did you knock off?
    Thanks... There wasn't much climbing, so my 2x1 rigid 69er was just the thing. I took my first break longer than 10 minutes around the 14 hour mark, when I sat down and tried to do some math. By my computer, I would have to keep up the same pace I'd been averaging during the day, all the way to the finish, in order to hit the minimum mileage. My night laps were slower though, so I could tell I wasn't going to hit it. With that knowledge, I did 2 more laps and hit the tent for some rest. I slept for a blissful 4 hours, then got up and did 5 more laps before the 10am finish, for a total on my computer of 22 laps... 150.21 miles.

    The problem was, my computer was showing 6.75 miles per lap, but Robert had calculated the "minimum mileage requirement" based on 8 miles per lap. I didn't realize that until after the race. If I had known that when doing my math at midnight, I would have skipped the sleep, and easily gotten the extra 3 laps needed for the $1500 2nd place cash payout (25x8=200).

    Like I said, I only consider it partly his error (he should have had a minimum lap number, not mileage amount)... I should have been more on top of it. But honestly, I didn't think I'd be in a position for it to matter, when I started the race. And, apparently the payout was bogus anyway. No more UltraCentric Experience for me, thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chainringrrl
    However, he was sent home without a payout check and a promise of "we'll talk next week"..
    Did you witness this firsthand?

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    I spoke with the event photographer, Luis, this morning. He doesn't want to dis Robert yet, but he hasn't received his promised payment yet for flying out from California to take photographs. His name and services weren't plugged on the UC website like they were supposed to be, either. Just a flyer in the registration packet.

    Luis seems like a good guy... he says his photos will be ready for viewing/ordering in a day or two, at this website: www.reflectionsphotographystudio.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBnJ
    I spoke with the event photographer, Luis, this morning. He doesn't want to dis Robert yet, but he hasn't received his promised payment yet for flying out from California to take photographs. His name and services weren't plugged on the UC website like they were supposed to be, either. Just a flyer in the registration packet.

    Luis seems like a good guy... he says his photos will be ready for viewing/ordering in a day or two, at this website: www.reflectionsphotographystudio.com

    Aw man, he is a good guy. I'll check out his pics when they're up. I hope he gets paid.

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    I was the 12hr Solo Women winner (and only entrant). When they were doing "awards" I had to ask for my medal. I could care less about the award, I just wanted the recognition that I and the others deserve. Likewise, he did not even mention any of the 6hr winners.

    I've raced different mtb races in multiple states run by local club organizations thru state organizations and this was the poorest run race that I have ever participated in.

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    This is ridiculous. Photogs not getting paid, the DJ was worried about not getting paid, the list goes on. Robert also negotiated down the amount that was paid to several of the runners AFTER the awards ceremony. Like someone else posted, some racers were also sent home with the promise of getting their checks later. AND, he's contacted several racers in the last day wanting them to destroy their checks and be issued new ones for a lesser amount. This is after he had the balls to change everyones grouping (lumping the SS racers into their respective gender category) AFTER the races started. I really hope that this all goes public and blows up in his face. It really had the promise to be a great event, but this is really running it into the ground.

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    Anyone who witnessed any of this first hand, or is waiting to be paid, or is one of those asked to tear up a check, please contact Mark Abramson, the President of USAcycling, and tell him the details. His email is mark@forwardthought.com . Please, no flames...he is here to help. The mtb event was sanctioned by usacycling and he has plenty of pull as President. He is watching these developments closely.

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    Nice work, Yater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yater
    Anyone who witnessed any of this first hand, or is waiting to be paid, or is one of those asked to tear up a check, please contact Mark Abramson, the President of USAcycling, and tell him the details. His email is mark@forwardthought.com . Please, no flames...he is here to help. The mtb event was sanctioned by usacycling and he has plenty of pull as President. He is watching these developments closely.
    Way to go yater. Thanks for digging this out. Hopefully, all will get what they deserve.

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    I raced in the event as a 48hr soloist. I placed second to Dave Haase who raced a great race and is a class act, thanks for making me suffer in those 30mph headwinds Dave. As an aside, I'm pleased the way things turned out as he deserved the win, there's something to be said about toeing the line next to a 4 x RAAM racer, it makes you realize it's game on.

    Overall the event exceeded my expectations, I don't think I've been to a race where there was that much free (and good quality) food (though I ate very little of it), lots of drinks, rider aid, racer nutrition product, entertainment and other such things. It was a big event and with so many categories going on at once I'm sure it was a big production to organize. I've never organized a bike event but I sure it's not a cakewalk and rather than complaining about it I'm just happy and appreciative that there are organizers out there that create opportunities for us to race.

    Having said that, I agree that the awards ceremony wasn't the smoothest production I've seen, the payouts were confused and the rider swag wasn't typical of mtb races, some of this is probably still being sorted out. Yup, there were different cultures, hahaha, runners certainly aren't mountain bikers. ;-)

    Anyway, I suspect in a few days things will have been resolved one way or another with all parties and once there is better clarity it will be easier to comment. By way of example, I also spoke to Luis (the photographer, who is a cool guy) at the post event and he was still in the process of working out the detail of compensation with the race organization, perhaps in a couple of days that will have been accomplished, who knows? I don't and nobody else does at this point so why not give it a couple of days.

    I put a call into Ultra Centric a short while ago to determine the status of certain things and as part of the conversation Robert Tavernini confirmed to me that this morning he had put a call in to the 24hr solo winner out of Florida to confirm details on his cheque and left a msg on his voicemail. During the conversation, I got the official cheque numbers from the Ultra Centric cheques which are written out to the 48hr finalists and also to the 24hr finalist. I did confirm that Florida Chris's cheque is for $3000 and will be going to his Florida address. The cheques have already gone in the US Postal overnight box and perhaps tomorrow I'll be buying my two boys the ice creams I promised them a few weeks ago. I might even eat an ice cream myself.

    I'm not trying to stop anyone from doing what they feel is the right path for them but at this point I'd say hold off on representing any of the 48 and 24 payout.

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    I don't believe a word Robert says. He lied to me on the phone, he lied to me in emails, and he lied to my face at the check-in table.

    He also changed the event flyer the night before the race. He promised us (the winning 24hr 4man team) $500 gift packages from richardson bike mart. These prizes were later (on race day) allocated to categories which didn't exist. Jim Hoyt, owner of Richarson bike mart, was not aware of these "packages". Robert Tavernini is a pretty smooth con man. Here is the event flyer. Look closely at the "money categories" (24hr 6man and 48hr 4man) and then look at the race categories (hint....the "money" categories don't exist). These changes to the flyer were made within days of the race. Tell us what you think....


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    Understood Yater, I'm not here to defend all of the things that went on I just wanted to post up my experience of the event and at the very least update everyone on the 24/48hr payout piece. I'm not here to speak on behalf of Ultra Centric, Richardson Bike Mart or whoever, I'm just me, speaking my mind.

    Like I said, things could have been smoother. I also think anyone who has a beef (photographer, DJ or whoever) should take that up once it's obvious there is an unfair practice in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by staylor
    Understood Yater, I'm not here to defend all of the things that went on I just wanted to post up my experience of the event and at the very least update everyone on the 24/48hr payout piece. I'm not here to speak on behalf of Ultra Centric, Richardson Bike Mart or whoever, I'm just me, speaking my mind.

    Like I said, things could have been smoother. I also think anyone who has a beef (photographer, DJ or whoever) should take that up once it's obvious there is an unfair practice in place.

    Good work on the 48solo. You're the man.

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    As the sole 48 hour male SS participant I can say I was up against 2 great riders. Dave and Shaun are excellent athletes. I was a little bumed at the lack of SS riders. I give props to chainringrrl for being the sole female SS rider. It was a great course and has the potential to be an excellent event with a more dialed in coordinator.

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    I didn't race in the event but did provide volunteer support Friday as a member of the North Texas Mountain Bike Patrol. I have to agree that the set-up was nice, the support stations were nice and as a volunteer I was treated very well by the volunteer director Jay and by Robert as well. I met some good people that were volunteers and I spent some time talking with Aaron, who's wife Sarah was participating in the 48 hour solo as the only female, at the event and drove in from Arkansas. I've always felt that events such as this were to bring mountain bikers and their support people together in a collective environment of sportsmanship and good times and it looked like this event had that covered.

    I certainly hope that the payouts are made to the 48 hour riders who were working their collective hind parts off and deserve every penny as do the other riders that participated in this event and signed up expecting the payouts as listed. It would be a shame, as well as criminal, for the riders to not receive their due. I thought this event, with a little tweaking, had the future of becoming something great.

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    I realize that this event could have gone smoother than it did, but how many of the athletes out there would have attempted what they did, if Robert had not put the event on. I'm sure the money aspect will be worked out.
    Keep one thing in mind, a lot of people did some pretty phenomenal things and regardless of the outcome, that cannot be taken away. Congrats to all of the racers . . . I'm in absolute awe of some of the laps that were accomplished.

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    I am new to the biking side of things (coming over from ultra running) so please excuse me if I am out of line. I was at the race as a volunteer between 7:30 pm on Saturday night and about 5 am on Sunday morning. I will say that this was quite the event. I do believe there are opportunities for improvement, however, I am amazed at what was accomplished.

    Yater, I understand your emotion around this and certainly hope all of the isssues surrounding the prize mone works out to everyone's satisfaction. Staylor, I was in the cook tent passing out hot soup, coffee, tea, etc. I wish we had more to offer in the wee hours. I have to say that it was a pleasure visiting with you (however briefly) and Haas (sp?), the top contenders in the 48 hour bike event! You guys certainly gave me an appreciation for what endurance biking is all about (again, my perspective is from being on foot in events like these). Congrats to all who tested themselves and broke through new barriers! I certainly hope that the Ultracentric organizers can work through any growing pains and that this event can continue in the future.

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    Hi,
    I'm the 24 hour solo male winner from Florida and thought I'd put in my perspective. Like Mr. Taylor said, the venue was well setup and with the exception of a few timing chip problems was run smoothly throughout the duration of the race. The awards ceremony was what I would expect from someone who was likely awake for most of the 72 previous hours, but in the end I think everyone got their medal/plaque. In regard to the prize money, I talked to Mr. Tavernini today and he mailed it upon recieving my W-4, so no problems there, not uncommon for a promoter to hold off on the award money until they have time to verify the results.

    So in general I thought the event was good, and having a promoter who clearly knows how to market an event and pull in prize money isn't such a bad thing to have enter the mtb racing scene. Finally, as others have said, the other racers in attendance were great and certainly helped me out with staying warm as I was unsupported. While I've never been to a race with "unfriendly" mtn bikers, I can't say enough how nice it is to be part of the endurance racing world. Hopefully, the Ultracentric will stick around and grow, I don't know what's going on with the team and other soloists prizes but I can't honestly say I think Tavernini is a con man, so no worries there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitusX04
    As the sole 48 hour male SS participant I can say I was up against 2 great riders. Dave and Shaun are excellent athletes. I was a little bumed at the lack of SS riders. I give props to chainringrrl for being the sole female SS rider. It was a great course and has the potential to be an excellent event with a more dialed in coordinator.
    Dude, one of my greatest pleasures out there was yelling out to you guys when I'd pass your pit or see you in the transition area or out on course. Good times indeed and a pleasure to meet you guys for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlynnbob
    I am new to the biking side of things (coming over from ultra running) so please excuse me if I am out of line. I was at the race as a volunteer between 7:30 pm on Saturday night and about 5 am on Sunday morning. I will say that this was quite the event. I do believe there are opportunities for improvement, however, I am amazed at what was accomplished.

    Yater, I understand your emotion around this and certainly hope all of the isssues surrounding the prize mone works out to everyone's satisfaction. Staylor, I was in the cook tent passing out hot soup, coffee, tea, etc. I wish we had more to offer in the wee hours. I have to say that it was a pleasure visiting with you (however briefly) and Haas (sp?), the top contenders in the 48 hour bike event! You guys certainly gave me an appreciation for what endurance biking is all about (again, my perspective is from being on foot in events like these). Congrats to all who tested themselves and broke through new barriers! I certainly hope that the Ultracentric organizers can work through any growing pains and that this event can continue in the future.

    Regards,
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    Thanks for everything you did out there Lynn, one of the few "real food" items I took in during the race was that potato soup and man was it GOOD!

    I agree with you, I hope this event is around next year it deserves to grow. The course was tough and technically fun, the local riders should take pride in their efforts to present it as a showpiece, I came away from it after 41 laps still thinking a few more would have been ok. The volunteers were awesome and the way things were setup it would be really easy to race a 24hr unsupported, heck I pretty much raced the first half of my race by myself until my wife showed up to pit for me. A racer could have just shown up with a bike and they would have been set for food and drink from what I saw out there. In fact it was driving me a little crazy hearing all the comments about how good the daytime and evening food was - chicken this and taco that and all I could take in was my liquid race fuel.

    There were a lot of volunteers out there and if you know any of them certainly express my appreciation to them for everything they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janiszew
    Hi,
    I'm the 24 hour solo male winner from Florida and thought I'd put in my perspective. Like Mr. Taylor said, the venue was well setup and with the exception of a few timing chip problems was run smoothly throughout the duration of the race. The awards ceremony was what I would expect from someone who was likely awake for most of the 72 previous hours, but in the end I think everyone got their medal/plaque. In regard to the prize money, I talked to Mr. Tavernini today and he mailed it upon recieving my W-4, so no problems there, not uncommon for a promoter to hold off on the award money until they have time to verify the results.

    So in general I thought the event was good, and having a promoter who clearly knows how to market an event and pull in prize money isn't such a bad thing to have enter the mtb racing scene. Finally, as others have said, the other racers in attendance were great and certainly helped me out with staying warm as I was unsupported. While I've never been to a race with "unfriendly" mtn bikers, I can't say enough how nice it is to be part of the endurance racing world. Hopefully, the Ultracentric will stick around and grow, I don't know what's going on with the team and other soloists prizes but I can't honestly say I think Tavernini is a con man, so no worries there.

    -Chris Janiszewski
    Hey Chris, I'm not sure if you remember but I'm the guy who's wheel you jumped on to do your pre-ride lap on Friday while I was out racing on my 7th lap or whatever it was (the laps kinda blur together a bit). Good chatting with you during the lap and great to see that you delivered on you goals, nice work!

    Shaun Taylor

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    Are results posted anywhere?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gm1230126
    Are results posted anywhere?
    Not yet. They were supposed to go up on www.ultracentric.net last night. You may just want to keep checking there until they show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janiszew
    Hi,
    I'm the 24 hour solo male winner from Florida and thought I'd put in my perspective. Like Mr. Taylor said, the venue was well setup and with the exception of a few timing chip problems was run smoothly throughout the duration of the race. The awards ceremony was what I would expect from someone who was likely awake for most of the 72 previous hours, but in the end I think everyone got their medal/plaque. In regard to the prize money, I talked to Mr. Tavernini today and he mailed it upon recieving my W-4, so no problems there, not uncommon for a promoter to hold off on the award money until they have time to verify the results.

    So in general I thought the event was good, and having a promoter who clearly knows how to market an event and pull in prize money isn't such a bad thing to have enter the mtb racing scene. Finally, as others have said, the other racers in attendance were great and certainly helped me out with staying warm as I was unsupported. While I've never been to a race with "unfriendly" mtn bikers, I can't say enough how nice it is to be part of the endurance racing world. Hopefully, the Ultracentric will stick around and grow, I don't know what's going on with the team and other soloists prizes but I can't honestly say I think Tavernini is a con man, so no worries there.

    -Chris Janiszewski
    You had to send a W-4? What'd he do, pay you like you were an employee?
    First time I've heard of that...

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    I thought the W-4 was odd, but I don't make enough to have tax liabilities so there won't be a deduction. He said any prize over $500 is supposed to warrant a W-4, either way it only took 10min to e-mail it to him so it wasn't any sort of hassle. To the others who are receiving prizes (staylor), did he ask for a W-4?

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    Hey Chris,

    I'm a Canadian citizen so I didn't provide anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janiszew
    I thought the W-4 was odd, but I don't make enough to have tax liabilities so there won't be a deduction. He said any prize over $500 is supposed to warrant a W-4, either way it only took 10min to e-mail it to him so it wasn't any sort of hassle. To the others who are receiving prizes (staylor), did he ask for a W-4?
    Not from mountain biking but I used to fish competitively and won some money in Florida and I had to complete one to receive my check. I'm not an accountant but if you kept track of your mileage, fuel receipts and related travel expenses it should offset anything you won.

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    I still don't understand what the payout was for this race. The web site is such a confusing mess. Did the promoter pay solo 24 and 48 hour mtbrs? Or only the runners?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottytheoneandonly
    I still don't understand what the payout was for this race. The web site is such a confusing mess. Did the promoter pay solo 24 and 48 hour mtbrs? Or only the runners?
    I got paid.

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    So, who is doing this again?

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    I'm 89 & 3/4 % on board.

    New venue.....??

    Hopefully more SS this year?

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    I am thinking about it as well. Has anyone ridden this course? An out an back course on single track for 24+ hours could be scary at night with in coming headlights. I imagine that they will have a hard time getting any good numbers, with all of the problems from last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 02 FSR
    So, who is doing this again?
    You're kidding, right?!

    Tavernini has no approval or endorsement from DORBA, because he's putting on an event without written permission from the land owner, without the claimed sanctioning and insurance from USAC (they denied his application), and without communication with DORBA, the entity in charge of maintaining that trail. He's making claims of support and involvement from people/shops/photographers/etc. that have no such commitments, to just share the tip of the iceberg.

    Please see the thread on DORBA about this race before giving Tavernini any more money. Race Promoters like him don't need to be allowed to continue fleecing and disappointing the mountain bike community.

    http://www.dorba2.com/forum/racing/Ultracentric%202009


    Here is a message from Rich S., president of DORBA, which can be seen here:

    Ultracentric Race at Northshore

    Normally, as President of DORBA, I am writing to help promote and advocate cycling events and activities in our area and on the trails that our members volunteer to build and maintain. It’s a big part of what we are about as an organization. However, when an event threatens to make the relationship between a landowner and DORBA more problematic, and could threaten public access to that trail in the future, as an organization we must take a strong position against those type of events.

    Recently “The Ultracentric Experience” was a thread started to promote an event being held on the Northshore trail. The feedback on last year’s event and promoter went downhill fast with many of our members claiming mismanagement of the event and even unpaid winnings to those that were promised such. In many cases this can be attributed to “misunderstandings” or “sour grapes” and many of those issues were handled and resolved by the Race Director. However, there were some things about this situation that caused us to have even deeper concern about this event.

    When an activity is held on a DORBA maintained trail and with a landowner (in this case the Army Core of Engineers, ACOE) that DORBA has diligently worked to create a long standing and positive relationship with, as an organization, we cannot condone any activity, event, or race that does not have the following in place:

    1. Written permission from the landowner in the form of a permit or other document,

    2. Written proof of insurance for hosting the event, and copies of that insurance in the possession of the landowner and DORBA,

    3. A written plan to help and assist DORBA Trail Stewards in the repair efforts to bring the trail back up to conditions prior to the event.

    Additionally, any public claims of sanctioning by USAC or other sanctioning bodies, when that sanctioning does not in fact exist, could also reflect poorly upon DORBA because of our relationship with USAC, even though DORBA has nothing to do with the event.

    I think it is important to bring these to your attention as there has been a lot of discussion about the Ultracentric Experience event being held at the Northshore trail. DORBA is not in any way affiliated with this event, nor will be in support of any event that does not have a minimum of the above listed criteria in place.

    As the organization that is responsible for the stewardship of the Northshore trail, we do have a vested interest in how events are run. I and the Board both felt that it was important to communicate this to you as members and volunteers that help to keep public access to the Northshore trail available and as a destination location for the North Texas community. Our primary mission is to provide for the enjoyment of trails and land access for our members and the public. The current state of this event poses a threat to that mission.

    Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me directly.

    Rich

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    The 2009 UltraCentric MTB race at Murrell Park (NorthShore) IS legit, sanctioned, insured, approved and on board with everyone concerned including both ACOE and USAC.

    The event IS ON for those who are interested in racing. The course has been adjusted to work within the confines of the current trail and is a single track loop to insure the safety of the racers for the event. The final edits are being made at this moment.

    Onsite registration will be available up until 30 minutes prior to the start of each event; cash only accepted. All racers must have a current racing license to be checked onsite by the racing official prior to the start of each event.

    The prize winnings have all been clearly posted and YES even modified from last year to better insure money to those who place in their respective categories. The prize amounts are directly related to the amount of racers per each category; the more racers that enter, the more money to pass out. All winnings are to be paid immediately following the event at the awards ceremony.

    Anyone who wants to whine and complain can go away!

    GET YOUR BIKE ON ! ! !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sollo
    The 2009 UltraCentric MTB race at Murrell Park (NorthShore) IS legit, sanctioned, insured, approved and on board with everyone concerned including both ACOE and USAC.

    The event IS ON for those who are interested in racing. The course has been adjusted to work within the confines of the current trail and is a single track loop to insure the safety of the racers for the event. The final edits are being made at this moment.

    Onsite registration will be available up until 30 minutes prior to the start of each event; cash only accepted. All racers must have a current racing license to be checked onsite by the racing official prior to the start of each event.

    The prize winnings have all been clearly posted and YES even modified from last year to better insure money to those who place in their respective categories. The prize amounts are directly related to the amount of racers per each category; the more racers that enter, the more money to pass out. All winnings are to be paid immediately following the event at the awards ceremony.

    Anyone who wants to whine and complain can go away!

    GET YOUR BIKE ON ! ! !

    Nice scrambling. You weren't on the USAC schedule until today, and even now you're only listed as pending. You still cannot claim to be "legit, sanctioned, insured and approved" until, well, you're actually approved.

    You have a lot of work to do before you've got your ducks in a row. Many important things should have been done long, long ago. And promising the presence of people you haven't asked yet? Planning an event BEFORE receiving the ACOE's permission? Shameful. There are even contradictions between what you're saying now, and what's in type on your website. Which rules will you follow?

    Produce your permission and trail plan to DORBA in writing, or it's just your word, which doesn't seem to be worth much.

    Don't serve up a steaming helping of disappointment like you did last year.
    -Porkchop

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    Being part of the BMW club doesn't make you faster on your bike.

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