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    Trans Iowa V.2 Discussion

    Since there is a lot of Q & A going regarding nutrtion, bike set up, best flavor of cookie dough, etc, etc, etc for Trans-Iowa V.2 I am going to start this forum so we can have it all in one place for easy reading.

    So what was the best flavor or cookie dough?
    I say P.B.
    I bet there is an extra bit a protein in there being it's P.B.
    Right?

    Discuss.

    Those of you that have registered keep in mind that all information that is important to you will be posted on the T.I. website and sent to you via e-mail.
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    Maybe next year !

    Congrats to everyone that signed up ! I sit here sulking because I talked myself out of signing up after I talked about this race since last year. So why didn't I sign up ? I guess it's the commitment for a race that is 4-1/2 months away and if my work schedule changed
    I didn't want to take a spot from someone else.

    Thats the 1st excuse ! 2nd is using two personal days and I can use them for two different races next season.

    3rd- mentally the risk of getting burned out so early in the year !

    4th- just plain old WUSSING OUT !!!!!!!!!

    I'll be watching and learning from all the post over the next 4-1/2 months !

    good luck everyone !

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    OK, let's talk tires!

    Thanks Jeff for setting up this thread, I'm sure it'll be huge and hopefully helpful too.

    So about tires, what about'em? I'm thinking cushy but I don't want to push a really heavy slow tire for 340 miles so what is everybody thinking? I've read from 26X2.somethings to 700X35's so far for a range. I'm thinking some nearly bald 29X2.1's (WTB nanoraptors shaved down a bit) right now but those guys on cross tires sure did well last year.

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    Rubber Goodness.

    Tire choice is pretty simple. I ride a 26er, so for me the best tire choice to accept all the conditions that might come about during this epic race would be something similar to the WTB Nano's, Maxxis Larsen TT, etc, etc, etc. You need something fast, yet something that can give you hook-up if needed. Don't forget about comfort. There was a wide tire variety last year. Maybe some other can shed some light on the subject.
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    last yr, I rode 26'ers--1.8 kenda klimax lites, they worked good, no issues...this year will be different as far as bike setup goes(and tyre size)

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    Smile Cookie Dough

    While thrilled to be in this year, my worries are a bit more global than cookie dough - my question is regarding food, in general! What convience stores are open and serving pizza by the slice at 3am in the middle of no-where-ville Iowa?? Will I be riding alone and able to keep my wits about me in the wee hours of the morning? (reference Getzelman's story from the 05 edition!). Weather?!

    Yes, tire selection is an important one - light and quick... but flats can slow you down, so also beefy and strong. I think, however, that most important is having the will, discipline, tanacity to keep moving, keep rolling on even when yer tired, hungry, cold and alone.

    Thanks, Jeff and Guitar Ted for hosting this little journey across the state - I think I'm excited about this! I'm looking forward to riding with some folks I've met at other rides - Lance, Bruce, Eppen, (Dee and I are taking you down at Chequamegon this year!).

    Meanwhile, I'll be out there testing tires and cookie dough! Peace - Dave Mable

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    obsessing is a good thing

    As far as food goes I know that in the past I've finished 24 hour bike races on bk and coke before and I've ran 100 mile trail runs on redbull (15 cans at mcnaughton park) and hot dogs ,so I'm not to worried about food stuffs.I figure as long as there are places to stop and some in hand cash then I'll be alright.That being said I plan on carrying two cans of bull and protein bars with me as i go (water is far to obvious to even say I would think).I find that if I don't take in protein as I race my body gets worn down far easier than without.Now as to why this happens.....I don't know I'm a plumber.
    Tire choices will be interesting as I don't even have the rig yet and will most likely look to buy the lightest tire I can get for it.(close your ears paddy) In my 11 years of raceing bike I have only flatted two times and once was do to a rim strip not being put in.So I guess I can safely say that flats are not even on my worries list.
    What is on it is getting lost as I am primarily a ultrarunner and the courses are very well marked out and the chance of getting lost is slim.Having said that the 24 hour bike races I've done were impossible to get lost on so this will be very new to me.






    I am so freakin psyched!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Like last year, the longest you might end up going with out a pass though town might be 40-50 miles. You just have to make sure that you always have enough calories with you. Cookie dough is a great option.

    Will will keep the route planning along these same lines.

    You might be riding alone at times. Last year, there were always groups of atleast two. People rode together just to pass the time and to keep sane.

    Weather? You know what Iowa is like ini late April. It could be 20 degrees and snowing or it could be 80 degree and sunny. Be prepared for anything.

    Oh, and one last thing...
    Heck yes there will be sweet jumps. Be prepared
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    I am an ultra-event roadie (brevets mostly). My technical trail skills are zilch, which is what is so attractive to me about straight roads in rural Iowa. My one question is about tire width. I will be running no suspension (totally not needed for gravel for big hits) but am concerned about hand, groin, and foot numbing vibration.

    Wide tires would help midigate this. Narrow tires are fast.

    So the question is, what minimum width tire is enough to take the vibration out?

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    On tires and food

    I thought I'd chime in here with some thoughts fer ya'all......

    1. Tire choice is/ was a big topic for discussion. Here's what I noticed last year. Several guys showed up, ( at our suggestion) running 2.0-ish rubber. They complained because they thought the psycho-cross dudes had an advantage. Well, out of the nine that finished last year, only four of them were on psycho-cross rigs, and out of those four guys is where all the stories of physical pain, numbness, and bleeding came.........after the race was over for two weeks! This group also reported the most flats. Fast? Maybe. The other five guys on fatties were right there. Look- it's the guys with the best "motors" and toughest mindsets that will complete the course. That said, I'd be running anything over 40mm. and up to 2.1 inches. You should be good to go. Jeff's selections are excellent examples.

    2. Food in the middle of the night shouldn't be a problem. A few of the towns that this years route passes through have all night convienience stores that serve single slice pizza, burritoes, and any other form of death munchies you can think of. Pork rinds anyone?
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    Tires

    I'm with Guitar, some dude wrote a book appropriately titled... "It's Not About The Bike"

    On another note... This little race could develop quite a little community here - kinda cool!

    I guess they say that 'missery loves company'!

    Peace! Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingwedge
    could develop quite a little community here - kinda cool!
    This event has gone beyond "a little community."
    When people sit at their computer to register like it's a race all in itself
    It has a cult following. Just you wait and see at the pre-race meeting and start line.
    Thanks for represent'n we Eye-wee-gens!

    I wonder how many sweet jumps G-Ted and myself can work into the first 20 miles
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    What did most finishers from last year ride? Mtb or cross?

    This will be my first longer endurance ride. I'm looking forward to it. I've done some 12 hour events and found Hammer Nutrition Perpetuem works well. I'm also a big fan of beef jerky and corn chips. Both offer a lot of sodium. Plus they taste good. Never tried cookie dough. I may just mix up some smoothies with soy milk, peanut butter, blue berries, cranberries, bananas and peaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by <Cornbread>
    What did most finishers from last year ride? Mtb or cross?

    This will be my first longer endurance ride. I'm looking forward to it. I've done some 12 hour events and found Hammer Nutrition Perpetuem works well. I'm also a big fan of beef jerky and corn chips. Both offer a lot of sodium. Plus they taste good. Never tried cookie dough. I may just mix up some smoothies with soy milk, peanut butter, blue berries, cranberries, bananas and peaches.
    As I recall the finishers were riding as follows:

    1. Ira - Cross bike
    2. Brian - Cross bike
    3. Alex - Hardtail MTB
    4. Todd - Rigid MTB/SS
    5. Paddy - 1FG SS
    6. Brett (Me) - Spec Epic Full Boinger
    7-8. Jim and ? - Tie (Cross Bikes)
    9. Joe - Ridid MTB/SS

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    Not gonna happen for me

    I'll be bizzy helping my buddy run his bike shop while he is on his honeymoon.....

    07 I'll have to make it... I want to put togather something like this in colorado down the road.

    I really wish I could have done this race this year to use it to messure my fitness before the GDR.....

    Any good luck to everyone that well make it there.

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    how did people carry their stuff?

    So how did people carry all of their junk anyway? I saw some pics of some really full jersey pockets and camelbacks but did anybody use a <gasp> handlebar bag? or <double gasp> a rack and trunk? I'm thinking overnight it seems everybody was cold last year (at least according to the two or three writups I've read) and to be able to put on and take off a little bit of clothing might be a huge thing at 1am Saturday night.

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    I suppose an introduction is in order...

    Well, now that I'm a part of this little "community" I suppose I ought to introduce myself...

    Backtrack about two months: I'm perusing the MMBA forums when I come across a post by some Kerkove guy about some TRANS IOWA V.2 thing. Initially I ignored it - what interest could Iowa possibly hold for me? But, finding nothing else of interest, I make my way to the thread, and as I read, intrigue begins creeping in. I read on. I follow the web links.I continue reading. Hmmm...this is looking interesting - in a wacked-out, psycho kind of way - very interesting. I sleep on it...and it gnaws at me: 300+ miles in under 34 hours, across Iowa, through the night, unsupported...are they crazy? Am I crazy?? Why, yes I am!

    Fast forward to yesterday: I'm anxiously sitting at my computer at 2:00 EDT waiting impatiently for the Active.com registration window to open. It does, I do, and WHAM! What in the world have I gotten myself into?

    Anyway, I am completely and totally psyched for this event! This is my first venture into ultra-edurance events, but have no doubt that I will be there, on the starting line on April 29, as physically and psychologically prepared as possibe.

    What will I be riding? Probably my Fisher hardtail...but maybe, just maybe there's a 29er in my future (man, I want that 2006 Paragon BAD!). Tires? WTB Nanoraptors. Food? Lots. Sleep? None. Clothing? Weather-dependant, of course. Support? None (not legal!), but my wife will be there for moral support. What a trooper!

    Well, I look forward to getting to know all of you in the next 4+ months, and I'll see you in late April in western Iowa!

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    redsnakebite: You nailed it. Only four cross bikes out of nine finishers.

    fastskiguy: No handlebar bags, which surprised me, actually. Look at old photos of Tour riders and they all have the dual waterbottle cages on the handlebars. I'm talkin waaay back! Back when they all rode dirt and gravel. Think about that. Otherwise, a few guys had racks, but really, most just stuffed all they could into their jerseys, or hydration packs and did just fine. Anyway, we are doing the dropbag service, so you can split it up a little bit.

    Brian Hannon did have a couple of bottle cages mounted to each fork blade of his Redline crosser though. That was pretty unique!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastskiguy
    So how did people carry all of their junk anyway? I saw some pics of some really full jersey pockets and camelbacks but did anybody use a <gasp> handlebar bag? or <double gasp> a rack and trunk? I'm thinking overnight it seems everybody was cold last year (at least according to the two or three writups I've read) and to be able to put on and take off a little bit of clothing might be a huge thing at 1am Saturday night.

    I was right in the mix of things during this race. About 90% of the folks stuffed their hydro-packs and jersey pockets with gear, food, and mojo. Some went as far as a rear rack mounted off a seatpost. I even saw a few of the MOOTS TAILGATOR RACKS.

    As G-Ted stated, there where some interesting set-ups. I have attached a picture of Mr. Hannon from Colorado. Notice the bottles on the front fork, and the h-bar bag.

    You will want to do some product testing. Figure out your lights, you calorie needs, water needs, etc, etc, etc, etc. Racing is the easy part. Planning and training is the hard and painful part
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    redsnakebite: You nailed it. Only four cross bikes out of nine finishers.
    Or, to look at it a little differently, CX bikes were almost half the field...

    The real question is this: Do you wanna be comfy, or do you wanna go fast? Ira was not very comfy, but he was able to bask in the glow of his victory as his body healed the next few weeks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    fastskiguy: No handlebar bags, which surprised me, actually. Look at old photos of Tour riders and they all have the dual waterbottle cages on the handlebars. I'm talkin waaay back! Back when they all rode dirt and gravel. Think about that. Otherwise, a few guys had racks, but really, most just stuffed all they could into their jerseys, or hydration packs and did just fine. Anyway, we are doing the dropbag service, so you can split it up a little bit.
    Ira was a madman last year--no racks, no packs, just some crazy overstuffed jersey pockets and some borrowed wool socks pulled almost to his knees. Made me sore and cold just watching him. When asked about it, he used the old quote: Travel light and freeze at night.

    The race logistics have changed this year. Starting in the dark and (for the leaders) most likely finishing in the dark forces a bit more strategery. I will definitely be using a rear rack for gear/food carrying. No way around that. Bar bag? Probably not, but you never know...

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Brian Hannon did have a couple of bottle cages mounted to each fork blade of his Redline crosser though. That was pretty unique!
    That's the beauty of stuff like this--run what ya brung. If you come up with an idea the night before, by all means USE IT if you think it'll work.

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    fear and loathing in iowa

    this thing is really starting to pick up speed ...

    it's awsome to see all the questions beng fired off about gear, bike set-up(fast n light all the way baby!!!), and cookie dough nutrition value, etc...

    I think the most important question yet to be asked is this: How big are the drop bags???

    btw, it's a balmy -30C(without windchill) here in at the "in-laws" in N Ontario
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyH
    How big are the drop bags???
    Good question. I am working with a drop-bag sponsor at the moment. Size we are currently looking at is 21 in x 11 in...or someplace in that measurement.

    How does everyone feel about that size? I have other options out there. But this one looks the most positive.
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    Sitting here with a yard stick

    Sad but true.

    That size seems reasonable to me. I can't think of anything I would pack that wouldn't fit, though I am sure I will be in over-analysis mode after the size is officially announced playing tetris with supplies to figure out how to get the most in the space given.

    I wonder how many rolls of cookie dough will fit in that space?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    Or, to look at it a little differently, CX bikes were almost half the field...

    The real question is this: Do you wanna be comfy, or do you wanna go fast? Ira was not very comfy, but he was able to bask in the glow of his victory as his body healed the next few weeks.
    "Almost" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Ira probably would have "won" no matter what he decided on riding. Again, the motor and mind. I'm not so sure that you "win" at Trans Iowa as much as you overcome it! As far as "basking" in anything, well.......it's not le Tour by any stretch!



    Ira was a madman last year--no racks, no packs, just some crazy overstuffed jersey pockets and some borrowed wool socks pulled almost to his knees. Made me sore and cold just watching him. When asked about it, he used the old quote: Travel light and freeze at night.
    Agreed, crazy like a fox! But then again, I seem to remember someone asking for more wind!



    The race logistics have changed this year. Starting in the dark and (for the leaders) most likely finishing in the dark forces a bit more strategery. I will definitely be using a rear rack for gear/food carrying. No way around that. Bar bag? Probably not, but you never know...
    You think the leaders might finish in the dark? Whoa-ho! Somebody is thinking "fast" this year! As for the bar bag, that used to be a pretty regular item in the past for you, judging from the old photos on the 29"er board.



    That's the beauty of stuff like this--run what ya brung. If you come up with an idea the night before, by all means USE IT if you think it'll work.

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    That's one of the things I get a buzz from. Last spring, walking around the staging area, looking at all the various rigs. Can't wait to see what you guys cook up for this edition!
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    Smile About this many

    Quote Originally Posted by Endurosnob
    I wonder how many rolls of cookie dough will fit in that space?
    Oh, by my scientific calculations I would have to say...6
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    Bob!

    I KNOW - BOB! Let's see.... tent, sleeping bag, coleman stove, boom-box... oh wait, that's that other ride across the state!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    Oh, by my scientific calculations I would have to say...6
    El Jefe-

    Keep it simple--give everyone a doubled up grocery bag (you know, the little ones that we all have dozens of laying around the house right now). It's plenty big for the essentials.

    Besides, the more space you give us, the more stuff you (well, Mark) has to haul across the state, remove from the van, reinstall into the van, then haul to Decorah.

    Personally, I vote for zero resupply. But that's just me.

    Heh heh heh...

    P.S. Are you racing? Your name isn't on the roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    redsnakebite: You nailed it. Only four cross bikes out of nine finishers.

    fastskiguy: No handlebar bags, which surprised me, actually. Look at old photos of Tour riders and they all have the dual waterbottle cages on the handlebars. I'm talkin waaay back! Back when they all rode dirt and gravel. Think about that. Otherwise, a few guys had racks, but really, most just stuffed all they could into their jerseys, or hydration packs and did just fine. Anyway, we are doing the dropbag service, so you can split it up a little bit.

    Brian Hannon did have a couple of bottle cages mounted to each fork blade of his Redline crosser though. That was pretty unique!

    Hey G-Ted,

    Hanon here. I had a handlebar bag as well if memory serves...which it many times doesn't. Case in point; After reminding myself all week that i needed to register last Saturday....I spaced it off!!! Jeez, what an IDIOT! Well, now I'm on the waiting list and will wait all winter if need be Because you can be damn sure I want to get back to Beautiful Iowa again this April.

    Thanks to you and Jeff for all your work putting V.2 together. Hope to see you in Hawarden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    I was right in the mix of things during this race. About 90% of the folks stuffed their hydro-packs and jersey pockets with gear, food, and mojo. Some went as far as a rear rack mounted off a seatpost. I even saw a few of the MOOTS TAILGATOR RACKS.

    As G-Ted stated, there where some interesting set-ups. I have attached a picture of Mr. Hannon from Colorado. Notice the bottles on the front fork, and the h-bar bag.

    You will want to do some product testing. Figure out your lights, you calorie needs, water needs, etc, etc, etc, etc. Racing is the easy part. Planning and training is the hard and painful part

    OK, I guess I did have a handlebar bag and didn't just imagine it. I have to say, it's about the easiest way to reach for food/gel.

    If I get to enter this event (see above) I'll need to decide what bike to use. Last year the cross bike with the 42mm Maxxis wormdrives worked really well...except for the two or three flats I had!! Ouch! Nothing like hammering solo across the 5 min gap to get back to Ira...twice. The thing is, he was only running 28 or 30mm Schwalbe Marathons. I don't know if that says alot for those tires or just that i had some tough luck. I'm tempted to go narrower this year (once again assuming that someone bails and i can take their spot) but Jeff and G-Ted are hinting heavily that that might not be wise.

    Last year i actually came to Hawarden with two complete bikes. The Redline cx bike with 42mm tires was to be used if the weather looked like it would remain dry. My other bike was a titanium Rewel purposefully built around a Rohloff Speedhub. This was to be used with Kenda Klimax lite tires if the weather was to be wet and nasty. I also used a Moots Tailgator and a frame bag on the cross rig. This was really too much carrying capacity but an empty bag weights almost nothing so no big deal.

    Anyway, keep the ideas coming. And the hints. Hint hint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    "Almost" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Ira probably would have "won" no matter what he decided on riding. Again, the motor and mind. I'm not so sure that you "win" at Trans Iowa as much as you overcome it! As far as "basking" in anything, well.......it's not le Tour by any stretch!
    Agreed--Ira was driven. That's what it takes.


    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Agreed, crazy like a fox! But then again, I seem to remember someone asking for more wind!
    It was obvious that most folks there hadn't prepared enough. I was hoping that the wind would come up a notch or two before sunset, to get them to crack sooner. No such luck with the wind, and me and my achilles were the only ones crackin'


    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    You think the leaders might finish in the dark? Whoa-ho! Somebody is thinking "fast" this year!
    Yes. It's all supposition based on weather, but good weather should mean a pre-dawn finish.


    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    As for the bar bag, that used to be a pretty regular item in the past for you, judging from the old photos on the 29"er board.
    I can't remember even one pic with a bar bag (discounting AK, but we have so much crap strapped to our rigs up there it's hard to see where the bike is sometimes...). But if you say so...


    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    That's one of the things I get a buzz from. Last spring, walking around the staging area, looking at all the various rigs. Can't wait to see what you guys cook up for this edition!
    Just finished lacing my front wheel for this race (and many others). On my way back out to the stand to start on the rear...

    MC

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    A throwdown?

    No Sag?

    I likes what I hear!

    as a fellow wheelbuilder, I'd love to hear more about your wheelbuild(s) Mike...glad you're coming back to Iowa as well!

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    agreed

    word to that.
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    Brian H.: Good to hear from ya! I'm sorry you didn't get on the roster. Thanks to Jeff's photo archive's, I see that you actually did have a pretty smart set-up there. Handle bar bags are cool!

    M.C.: I'll be interested to see what you bring. Always a pleasure to learn from a master!

    Paddy H.: I'm a wheelbuilder too. I would also be interested in what M.C. has been working on. I'm probably not in the league of Mike, but I'd have to say that I've had pretty good sucess at building reasonably strong "traditional" set-ups. You know, 32 hole, double butted, 3-cross, with brass nips. Nothing exotic here! Hmm......that sounds like a perfect Trans Iowa build!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    Are you racing? Your name isn't on the roster.
    I will be there and riding along. Other wise I might help G-Ted out if we can't get some volunteer help. I am planning though racing/riding along to Decorah. Of course I will not be counted in the final results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    Keep it simple--give everyone a doubled up grocery bag (you know, the little ones that we all have dozens of laying around the house right now). It's plenty big for the essentials.
    We have lots of size options out there for stuff sacks. I could get stuff sacks the size of a grocery sack.

    ... or I could run down to the local sushi bar and grab 70 take out bags for everyone to stuff their goodies into

    G-Ted and myself have discussed bag size and the fact of transporting 70 of those things to Algona...then to Decorah. I am interested as to what everyone thinks about size. I just want to make sure that we end up getting a bag way smaller than everyone suggests

    Stuff Sack info will be coming soon....hopefully.
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    Brian - I hope you get a spot. I would hope being a finisher last year would get you moved towards top of "waiting list"

    Mike - Glad to see you'll be back for more Iowa fun. See you in April. I am expecting ugly weather...snow/sleet, cold, east wind, soft/muddy gravel, etc. Despite what everyone says about last year, we were LUCKY as far as weather and road conditions.

    Paddy - What gear are you running on your fixie?

    Joe - What gear are you running on your SS? Are you running 29" wheels?

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    ... and if we just ... Don't sweat the size.

    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    We have lots of size options out there for stuff sacks. I could get stuff sacks the size of a grocery sack.

    I am interested as to what everyone thinks about size. I just want to make sure that we end up getting a bag way smaller than everyone suggests
    I'm sure what ever size you choose, we can find a way to fill them, (spare parts, spare wheels....spare BIKES! ). SO I'd keep 'em small as MikeSee said. Maybe a change of clothes should it be raining or "yikes" if my chamois is red. I'd imagine most will put some lights and/or batteries in there for the last night of riding, so the things could get heavy. I'm figurin' a small light for the first pre-dawn, then probably something a bit more sustantial to get through the next night...
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    No Sag would be choice, but I realize you've already billed it a certain way and may want to stick with that.

    Jeff, I am sure that the Lincoln crew will have a car(s) going that could help transport gear bags to Algona if needed. Just let me know and I am sure we can work something out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    G-Ted and myself have discussed bag size and the fact of transporting 70 of those things to Algona...then to Decorah. I am interested as to what everyone thinks about size. I just want to make sure that we end up getting a bag way smaller than everyone suggests
    Okay, forget what I said about simple. You actually need to use a complex formula to figure this out:

    1) Set up a poll and have everyone give their preferred dimensions for the stuff sack.
    2) Average the numbers to get a base.
    3) Take that average and divide it by 3.
    4) Take that number (1/3 of the average) and cut it in half.

    What do you get? Hopefully something slightly smaller than a thimble...

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    gear size.

    Brett:

    not sure about my gear size yet, most likely smaller than my 44x16 of last yr, that said my wheels will be bigger this yr.

    as for weather last year, was it windy? I don't recall.


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    Prefer no sag

    I agree that no sag would be my choice as well. It would foster more of a self-sustaining ideal. Otherwise people may try to get by with no lights or nearly no lights on the front end of the ride, etc. Why carry the extra weight if you can just mail it ahead and slap it on at the last minute?

    With brevets you need to go at least 600K before you can expect any baggage support. In brevets of 600K or more it is expected that you sleep, though. The bag is intended to be for a spare set of clothes for after you wake up. Without sleep, I see no reason for sag whatsoever.

    Having said that, if bags are provided I will use them. No sense putting myself at any more of a disadvantage. That way I can ship ahead <i>my</i> secret endurance food: Spagghettios eaten cold from the can. Sodium and carbohydrates in an easy to digest format. Doesn't do too well in a jersey pocket, but if you have 5 minutes to sit and scarf down a can or two you are set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastskiguy
    So how did people carry all of their junk anyway? I saw some pics of some really full jersey pockets and camelbacks but did anybody use a <gasp> handlebar bag? or <double gasp> a rack and trunk? I'm thinking overnight it seems everybody was cold last year (at least according to the two or three writups I've read) and to be able to put on and take off a little bit of clothing might be a huge thing at 1am Saturday night.

    I kept my junk in my shorts, where it belonged. hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha..........sorry.

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    Stuff Sack

    Hey, I'm all for a drop bag - I figure we gotta be in Algona by 6pm, so we oughta be there a bit before dinner, right? I'm thinkin' if one of us throws in a Weber, another the charcoal, then the rest of us will have room for beer, steaks, taters and have us a great big ol' shindig! The rules said we have to check IN to Algona by 6, nuthin about when we gots to leave!!! If ol' Guitar and Jeff have folks in by pre-dawn... then I say we have plenty of time!

    Enough typing, I gotta get out and ride!

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    Here's a question...

    Here is a question that was just brought up at work...

    What time to you think riders will start rolling into the checkpoint in Algona?

    If I recall, I believe the distance from Hawarden to Algona this year is right around 140 miles. G-Ted can confirm that. Keep in mind wind, temp., moisture content of Iowa's lovely gravel roads, B-Road carnage, etc, etc, etc.

    So what you think?

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    Way to steal my question buddy. Gawd.
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    big wheels rule the roost

    Man you kids are going savage on this thread ,at this pace I'll have to quit my job just to keep up on the info.Good stuff though.
    As for the posts on bike types I think it's very clear that "light is right" and big wheels are the most efficient.Now having said that the course will be full on mtb trails.Now keeping that in mind I have seen some very talented (much more so than me) riders (steve H )locally ride some trails "biggie" style which were very very advanced.
    I'll try and keep my mind open though as far as tire width.
    My opionion on drop bags is ........none.It's amazing and a big help as it is to have access to stores along the way I think.
    But then again I am a rookie so what do I know.




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    I just got this off an ultrarunning group I'm part of..................................crazy weird ****.bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingwedge
    I'm with Guitar, some dude wrote a book appropriately titled... "It's Not About The Bike"
    Just caught this. I find it funny (no offense to the original poster) that this is brought up so often, when His Lanceness and his sponsors spent (literally) millions of dollars, every year, to improve said bike.

    And that cat still wouldn't finish TI...

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    Bamboozled

    [QUOTE=mikesee]Just caught this. I find it funny (no offense to the original poster) that this is brought up so often, when His Lanceness and his sponsors spent (literally) millions of dollars, every year, to improve said bike.

    I am the original poster (boy!) and agree with you on the irony of it all... that being said.... how many races you been in and been bamboozled by some dude in cut-offs on a 15 yr old schwinn with a rear rack? I'm not saying that ever happend to me, mind you! Hey, he didn't even SHAVE HIS LEGS (gasping of crowd)!!!

    OK, now that I brung it up... 337 miles, meby 14 or 15mph ave pace.... how much time will shaving one's legs save on this thing ....(remembering of course, that it's in April and there is a very low probability of any exposed skin...) Just asking here!

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    high noon!

    yeah, the fast guys will be there at about noon. For some of us it'll be.....when is that cutoff anyway?

    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    Here is a question that was just brought up at work...

    What time to you think riders will start rolling into the checkpoint in Algona?

    If I recall, I believe the distance from Hawarden to Algona this year is right around 140 miles. G-Ted can confirm that. Keep in mind wind, temp., moisture content of Iowa's lovely gravel roads, B-Road carnage, etc, etc, etc.

    So what you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastskiguy
    yeah, the fast guys will be there at about noon.
    A 17.5 mph average speed
    Last year I couldn't even hit that going down hill because of the wind.
    I say peg the speed at 11-13 mph and enjoy the ride to Decorah.
    Well...atleast enjoy the painful ride as much as possible.
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    Jeff says 11mph is OK!

    31 hours of 11mph riding...you make it sound so easy... I guess that means the slow guys will be at the checkpoint at about 5pm or so. Hey let's hear it for enjoying the scenery!

    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    A 17.5 mph average speed
    Last year I couldn't even hit that going down hill because of the wind.
    I say peg the speed at 11-13 mph and enjoy the ride to Decorah.

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    Good luck to all of you as you train for this one.
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    Sweating The Details

    Average speed? I'm not so sure we are all on the same page here guys! Let's think of it as "average course time". Think about it, if you have to be in Algona by no later than 6pm. and the race starts at 4am., that's 14 hours for you to do everything. That includes not only riding time, but stopping at the convienience store time, fixing a flat time, changing from one jacket to another time, figuring out navigation time, re-fueling time, pooping time , and whatever else you do.

    So, let's say that, cumulatively, you spend an hour total doing things other than riding. Whats that do to your riding time? That's right, you have to go faster the more you spend time doing all the other stuff. And, if it's wet, rainy, snowing, or blowing, it's going to be even worse.

    Oh, and another thing. It's approximately 157.5 miles from Hawarden to Algona. Just so there's no misunderstandings. You've got from 4am. till 6pm. to do that. Then from Algona, you need to get to Decorah by 3pm. the following day. Kapiche?
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    Hey Ted - I remember last year that my odometer was reading about an extra 4 miles for every hundred on the cue sheets. A couple other riders said the same thing. Are the mileages measured out by car odometer again this year or did you use a different method?

    Also, do you remember what time the first riders came into Algona last year?

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    Average speed on bike vs off bike

    Ted has a good point.

    As Susan Notorangelo of RAAM fame says "going is faster than stopping". If you stop for a measly 5 minutes for every hour on of the bike your average speed on the bike has to be higher by 8.3% (5 minutes is 1/12 of an hour, or 8.3%). So, easy numbers, if you can maintain 20 mph without stopping it is as good as if can hold 21.7 mph and need a break of 5 minutes every 60.

    Another way of looking at it is that if you are hanging with a competitor at, say, 15 mph and you stop for 5 minutes and he does not, he has gained 1.25 miles on you. If you ramp your speed up by 1.25 mph to 16.25 mph you will catch him in an <i>hour</i>. That is pretty significant for what seems like a measly 5 minute break.

    On the other hand, average speed on the bike is good to know too for those of us planning to run one gear. If I knew there was going to be a 30 mph tailwind the whole way I might gear a wee bit different than if I knew there was going to be a 30 mph headwind the whole way.

    I ride fixed on the road as well as brevets (till now not fixed). So I know fixed gear riding and I know endurance riding. What I don't have is a good feel for what gear to run on gravel and how much rolling resistance it is going to add. Experiments in March will tell. . .

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    Ahhh..the good ole days

    thought I'd do some diggin' in the archives on how much yapping we did before last yrs race on this forum...not as much as this yr, that's for sure

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    Hmmmm

    A cog (and chain for that matter) will fit in the smallest drop bag............

    So if we change gearing in the race are we still single speed?

    Not sure at ths point on the geared vs. not question. I'm reserving the right to wimp out and shift.

    Also - has anyone checked the moon phase................that makes a big difference on night riding. I'll save ya'll the trouble:

    There won't be one! All lighting will be of the man made variety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish Hunter
    Hey Ted - I remember last year that my odometer was reading about an extra 4 miles for every hundred on the cue sheets. A couple other riders said the same thing. Are the mileages measured out by car odometer again this year or did you use a different method?

    Also, do you remember what time the first riders came into Algona last year?

    Brent
    I used a bit of a different method this year. I used a car and checked it against mileage markers our state has posted. Close, actually really close. I then used that car for recon. I reset the trip meter, (which is what I checked previously against the mileage markers) everytime I made a directional change. That way, if there was any variance, I figured it wouldn't get multiplied as it would by my not resetting the trip meter, which is what we did in Jeff's car last year.

    We are going to re-drive the whole route again, probably in Jeff's car, and I will use the same method as I did in my car. We will then compare the two against each other and come to some kind of solution. It's not perfect, but it's the best we can do right now.

    As for the arrival time in Algona last year, Ira came wheeling in shortly before 4:30pm. A larger mass of riders showed up at about 5pm. After that, they trickled in till after six. Only 34 guys reported in at the checkpoint out of 51 starters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbspinnen'
    A cog (and chain for that matter) will fit in the smallest drop bag............

    So if we change gearing in the race are we still single speed?

    Not sure at ths point on the geared vs. not question. I'm reserving the right to wimp out and shift.

    Also - has anyone checked the moon phase................that makes a big difference on night riding. I'll save ya'll the trouble:



    There won't be one! All lighting will be of the man made variety.
    On the single speed, we require that you complete the race on the gear combination that you started with. One gear for the whole event. Switching out your cog for another makes it a multiple gear bike, right? So, no switching. That make sense?

    I was curious about the moon! Last year it was a full moon, and it was beautiful! You are right about the moon not being there. It will be plenty dark in the boonies of Iowa at night!
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbspinnen'
    So if we change gearing in the race are we still single speed?

    Notice one of the rules for 2006 that is aimed at leveling the playing field for the singlesspeeders / fixie racers...

    All singlespeed/fixie category racers must start and finish on the same gear. So, that means don't stick 10 assorted freewheels/track cogs in your drop bag. As Mr Curiak would say..."Run what ya brung."

    Like I said in earlier post, training and preping is the hard part. I know last year a few single speed guys went out the night before and tested some gearing after they received their cue sheets in their racer bags.

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    Oh boy!

    I was just looking thru last years forum about Trans-Iowa V.1. I came across this picture that I had posted from a training ride on gravel. I remember that the sloppy gravel had splattered onto my saddle and then I wore a hole in my Pearl Izumi shorts from the sand paper effect. Note, that this is just from riding on gravel. You should see what the B-Roads will be like if they are wet
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    "I came across this picture that I had posted from a training ride on gravel."

    Nice. That's worth a thousand words.

    Off topic: I've seen some references on MTBR.com for a subscription to a thread. Is it possible?, and may I have some advice on how to do that?

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    ignore my question.

    My apologies for gumming things up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    Notice one of the rules for 2006 that is aimed at leveling the playing field for the singlesspeeders / fixie racers...

    All singlespeed/fixie category racers must start and finish on the same gear. So, that means don't stick 10 assorted freewheels/track cogs in your drop bag. As Mr Curiak would say..."Run what ya brung."

    Like I said in earlier post, training and preping is the hard part. I know last year a few single speed guys went out the night before and tested some gearing after they received their cue sheets in their racer bags.
    What if you have a flip flop free/fixed with the SAME gear? Ie, you start off fixed, decide this is for the birds, and then flip it to the free side? Start with a 15 tooth cog, fixed, end with a 15 tooth cog, free?

    OR, what if you have a flip flip hub with two gears and flip it, period? If the rule is to "Run what ya brung" it is still, er, being brung. Just on the side of the wheel not engaged by a chain.

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    Elongated Shift

    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    OR, what if you have a flip flip hub with two gears and flip it, period? If the rule is to "Run what ya brung" it is still, er, being brung. Just on the side of the wheel not engaged by a chain.
    While I don't have an opinion regard switching from Fixed to Free, I would say running a flip flop hub with two gears is simply an elongated shift and isn't "single" speed.

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    flip flop scorching hub?

    Suggestion [mostly tongue-in-cheek]:

    Consider a rule for fixers/wanna-be-scorchers: two fixed sprockets allowed, and the tooth difference allowed being one for every year of age over 45..........

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    That's the way it should be.

    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    Notice one of the rules for 2006 that is aimed at leveling the playing field for the singlesspeeders / fixie racers...

    All singlespeed/fixie category racers must start and finish on the same gear. So, that means don't stick 10 assorted freewheels/track cogs in your drop bag. As Mr Curiak would say..."Run what ya brung."
    That makes total sense to me, the way it should be. Only reason it even came to mind is that I've seen and heard of SSers (on teams) changing gearing in 24 hour races.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbspinnen'
    That makes total sense to me, the way it should be. Only reason it even came to mind is that I've seen and heard of SSers (on teams) changing gearing in 24 hour races.
    The first 200 miles of the race are going to be flat. The last 100 miles are going to be hilly. The optimal gearing for one is not going to be optimal for the other.

    We are also talking about a race of 24+ hours. Riding in one direction. The weather is likely to change significantly. Tailwinds will become headwinds, headwinds will become tailwinds, wind speed will change, etc.

    The gear that you started with will likely not be the best to end with.

    I have done centuries on the road on a fixed gear. I ride fixed gear at least as much as geared. I have not once stopped mid ride to flip my flip-flop hub. But it is always a possibility that I bring with. An insurance policy.

    My take, and I will go with whatever the twin gods of the race decide, is that a flip flop hub IS "ride what you brung". It is not shifting in the normal sense of the word. You can't spin up one side of a hill in a low gear and fly down the other in a tall gear. We are talking about a potential shift that may or may not happen once or twice throughout the whole race to account for large weather and/or terrain changes.

    Heck, I intend to ride fixed, not free. I want this to be difficult. But I also want an insurance policy if I get tendonitis or otherwise fall to pieces. I want to be able to gear my ride for about 15-16 mph at 80 RPMs without being afraid that half way through the wind could double and turn into my face, forcing me to ride at 8 mph at 40 RPMs.

    If we demand only one gear you will get two responses. There will be those who gear conservatively and those who gear aggressively. If the weather turns out nice then those who gear conservatively will be left in the dust as those who geared aggressively fly away. The conservative geared riders will finish, but will finish far behind those who geared aggressively. If the weather turns out nasty, then those who geared aggerssively will die on the course and will drop out of the race. Those who geared conservatively will laugh inwardly as the slow and steady win the race.

    By allowing a flip/flop you let people choose to bring a gear that is both aggressive AND conservative. The style of their riding is going to be the same as with "true" single speed or fixed gear riding (grunt uphill, spin like a sewing machine downhill), but they have an option to laboriously change gears if conditions change.

    Again, I will accept whatever is decided. This is just my take. I won't beat the horse any further.
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    ????

    I always thought a singlespeed was a bike with one gear, period.

    Sure, I've done 24 hr races where I thought I could push a certain gear, then changed my mind a couple laps in and put something easier on, by removing one freewheel or chainring and putting on new ones(losing lots of time in the process, imo--and I'm a wrench, so no "you've been lapped" jokes please). But there's no rule about that..and the times I've done this, I haven't been able to pre-ride. Trans-Iowa is self-supported(very different to a multi-lap 24 race), and switching your gear falls into the the category of switching your bike, or wheels, for that matter.

    Someone commented that the first 200 miles in flat, and the next 100 miles are hilly, BUT the last 30 miles are REALLY hilly. Think about that. If your worried about blowing yourself up midway through the race because your gear is wrong, gear your bike accordingly..spinning is more efficient than grinding anyway, just ask Lance and Jan.
    And what if it rains, sleets, snowsor if there's WIND??? How would that affect to choice, Keep that in mind too.

    C'mon guys, if you're not sure you can start and finish a 330 mile race on the same gear(fixed or free, whatever your start with), maybe racing the Open category is the way to go.

    It's been said and I'll beat this drum too: "run what ya brung"...show up early to check out the terrain, and decide on your gearing then, and pray it works.
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    switchin gearz

    so i think single speed guys should be able to change gear ratios if they want. it ain't the fastest job in the world, so let em change all they want and take the time penalty associated with it.
    one could effectively change ratios by switching from big tires to little tires too, so be aware that i might stash some cx tires in my goodie bag. especially if the cue sheet indicates that all the rough sections occur in the first half of the ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    What if you have a flip flop free/fixed with the SAME gear? Ie, you start off fixed, decide this is for the birds, and then flip it to the free side? Start with a 15 tooth cog, fixed, end with a 15 tooth cog, free?

    OR, what if you have a flip flip hub with two gears and flip it, period? If the rule is to "Run what ya brung" it is still, er, being brung. Just on the side of the wheel not engaged by a chain.

    For all singlespeed and fixie...
    Show up to the start line with a gear. Run it all the way to Decorah. Simple as that.
    Otherwise maybe think of switching to the Open category
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    Morlahach--

    Please don't take what I've written below personally, as I'm not directing it that way. I am NOT trying to single you out or bust your chops. You just happen to be the one who wrote in to support multi-single-speeding, and I happen to be one of those vehemently opposed to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    The optimal gearing for one is not going to be optimal for the other.
    Exactly. It's a choice. If you want the badge of honor that SS'ing brings, you need to commit to the suffering involved to get it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    The gear that you started with will likely not be the best to end with.
    Yep. Again, you have to choose, and then deal with your choice.


    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    I have done centuries on the road on a fixed gear. I ride fixed gear at least as much as geared. I have not once stopped mid ride to flip my flip-flop hub. But it is always a possibility that I bring with. An insurance policy.
    My insurance policy will most likely be made by the SRAM corp, in Taiwan, and include 9 cogs in back, with two rings up front. Or it may not--I'm considering the SS as well. But hedge my bets I will not. I will be geared, or I will be single. No middle ground.


    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    Heck, I intend to ride fixed, not free. I want this to be difficult. But I also want an insurance policy if I get tendonitis or otherwise fall to pieces.
    I read the above as, "I want it to be hard, but not TOO hard".

    Sounds like you (and maybe some others) need to think more about your decision. It will be difficult regardless of what you choose. The course doesn't dictate the difficulty of the race, your pace does.


    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    By allowing a flip/flop you let people choose to bring a gear that is both aggressive AND conservative.
    Choose + Gear = shifting. Simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyH
    I always thought a singlespeed was a bike with one gear, period.

    Sure, I've done 24 hr races where I thought I could push a certain gear, then changed my mind a couple laps in and put something easier on, by removing one freewheel or chainring and putting on new ones(losing lots of time in the process, imo--and I'm a wrench, so no "you've been lapped" jokes please). But there's no rule about that..and the times I've done this, I haven't been able to pre-ride. Trans-Iowa is self-supported(very different to a multi-lap 24 race), and switching your gear falls into the the category of switching your bike, or wheels, for that matter.
    Well, I am only trying to clarify a rule here. As you said, switching gears in your 24 hour SS race wasn't against the rules so you did it as need arose. I am suggesting something sort of similar, but it would apply to flip-flop hubs being legal.

    Self supported can mean different things to different people. In this race it means stopping at a grocery store for food. If it was hard core self supported you would need to carry all your food and drink with you from the start to the finish and there would be no bag sent ahead to the half way point for food, clothes, spare tires, etc. Taken to its extreme, "run what ya brung" would mean you shouldn't even be able to change batteries in your headlights. If changing a cog is not self supported, then changing a battery isn't self supported either.

    If I take a wheel off, reverse it, and put it back on that is also self supported. I rode the wheel from point A to point B, I did the mechanical work, etc. So by definition it is self supported. However, and here I agree with you, it isn't <i>exactly</i> a single speed. It is a bike with two gears that needs to be stopped, partially disassembled, and reassembled to change gear ratios.

    So I guess it is a point of semantics. I feel that a flip flop IS self supported, but agree it may not be viewed as a "single speed". Again, the style of riding is the same. On a fixed gear flip flop you still push too high a gear going up and still spin in too low a gear going down. Changing gears does not happen on the fly and is a huge pain. A flip-flop simply means that you can go to "plan B" in the event of tendonitis, change in wind, etc.

    I can finish this ride with one cog to my name. It will just mean that I will err on the side of under gearing and will be riding something just higher than a bail out gear the whole time. Instead of riding what I think is appropriate and bringing a lower gear "just in case" I will ride the lower gear the whole time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    For all singlespeed and fixie...
    Show up to the start line with a gear. Run it all the way to Decorah. Simple as that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    For all singlespeed and fixie...
    Show up to the start line with a gear. Run it all the way to Decorah. Simple as that.
    Otherwise maybe think of switching to the Open category
    Didn't see this before I posted my last post. I don't get this forum, as new stuff isn't necessarily at the bottom. . .

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    Linear mode for the win!

    There, now I have changed to linear mode. Now the most recent is at the bottom.

    I knew I could figure out this forum layout if I gave it enough time.

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    Maybe the rules for Trans Iowa should be posted on this thread for quick reference...I'm going riding now..this is making my eyes hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyH
    Maybe the rules for Trans Iowa should be posted on this thread for quick reference...I'm going riding now..this is making my eyes hurt.
    I don't think that is necessary. They are on the Trans-Iowa page.

    And now that Jeff has weighed in, I submit.

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    Liner thank you!

    "There, now I have changed to linear mode. Now the most recent is at the bottom.

    I knew I could figure out this forum layout if I gave it enough time."


    Thank you! Now I know!

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    Yes I'm still a new be to the SS scene but i think that it's one gear or be gone.
    I also was wondering why people are talking about flipping catagorys,what up with that?
    As far as I understood as any race, when you entered you put down the required information.If you said SS then it's SS at the line my friend.

    then again maybe I misunderstood............I hope.

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    Listen! Next.

    Quote Originally Posted by dmsigurdur
    Yes I'm still a new be to the SS scene but i think that it's one gear or be gone.
    I also was wondering why people are talking about flipping catagorys,what up with that?
    As far as I understood as any race, when you entered you put down the required information.If you said SS then it's SS at the line my friend.

    then again maybe I misunderstood............I hope.
    One gear is fine. We have debated it and the consensus is that changing gears in the single speed class is not kosher. What's more, the people running the show say so.

    Next topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    Next topic.
    OK. How about light setup for the wee hours of the morning, and the haul to Decorah during the bitterly cold evening hours?

    This will help plan.
    Info provided by the Farmers Almanac

    SUN RISES: 6:13 AM
    SUN SETS: 8:12 PM
    TOTAL SUN LIGHT LENGTH: 13:59
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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    OK. How about light setup for the wee hours of the morning, and the haul to Decorah during the bitterly cold evening hours?
    One or two cateye el-500 lights for the AM start; one niterider digital HID light and two 6 hour batteries for the overnight.

    Last year, with the full moon, the HID was overkill. With no moon, I think the HID on low power should be just the ticket.

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    Oh man!

    10 hours of total darkness without even a smidge of moonlight. Man, that's a long time. I thought for sure you guys planned the date for a full or nearly full moon. I'm thinking the stories of clicking off the lights and riding by moonlight will not be repeated this year....


    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    OK. How about light setup for the wee hours of the morning, and the haul to Decorah during the bitterly cold evening hours?

    This will help plan.
    Info provided by the Farmers Almanac

    SUN RISES: 6:13 AM
    SUN SETS: 8:12 PM
    TOTAL SUN LIGHT LENGTH: 13:59

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    OK. How about light setup for the wee hours of the morning, and the haul to Decorah during the bitterly cold evening hours?

    This will help plan.
    Info provided by the Farmers Almanac

    SUN RISES: 6:13 AM
    SUN SETS: 8:12 PM
    TOTAL SUN LIGHT LENGTH: 13:59
    Schmidt SON Dynohub, 2 X 3 watt lights. Nashbar closeout Cateye backup light in case of wire failure, etc. Expected battery usage: 0.

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    Times of Twilight - Algona, IA, April 29th

    A further bit of info, from the Sky and Telescope on-line Almanac:

    End of evening twilight: 10:06 PM
    Beginning of morning twilight: 4:23 AM.

    These times are for astronomical twilight, whcih means it is pretty dark then, not completely dark, though. One could see lots of stars, although not the faintest ones. Astronomical twilight is defined as when the centre of the sun is 18 degrees below the horizon.

    From the US Naval Observatory's website:

    End of civil twilight: 8:47 PM.
    Start of civil twilight: 5:43 AM.

    Civil twilight is defined as the time when the centre of the sun is 6 degrees below the horizon, and only the brightest stars are visible.

    I suggest that a real all-night headlamp would be wanted sometime between these two times, if the sky is clear.

    My guess is that we will want the headlamp to run from 9 PM to 5:30 AM.

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    Another twist.

    What helmet light or other method are you guys going to use to be able to read the 9-1-1 street signs and your cue sheets/ computer screens by? I went out on a night gravel ride last summer and found that the Cat Eye EL-400 mounted on my helmet vent worked pretty well.

    I will also say that a Cat Eye EL-500 or two will be plenty of light. That's what I use on night time gravel runs. They will burn for up to 30hrs.!
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    SS Discussion... a bit further!

    I'm bringing two bikes, my SS and fully geared rig.... I'll be in SS mode for a while, and just leave my thumbs there, not clicking anything... then when the wind kicks up, the hills begin their grind, the mud cakes heavy.... I'll switch bikes, flick some levers and presto-chango - I've got gears!!! I love that bike!

    (some humility forthcoming, but read on!) Bruce - you may recall heading back north towards the fish hatchery at Leadville in 04 with me... I kicked your a$$ on those hills - saying as I passed you each time "I LOVE GEARS!" Jeff - make sure I'm in the open category - I love my gears! By the way... Bruce, you may also recall passing me up St. Kevins one last time.. I guess the ol SS gets the last laugh!

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    Jeff: I bet you could easily get 10K cookie dough calories in that stuff sack. BTW, I was wrong. I did go with peanut butter at this year's race. I probably only ate half of one tube though. I think I need to talk to some folks about making HammerDough...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    What helmet light or other method are you guys going to use to be able to read the 9-1-1 street signs and your cue sheets/ computer screens by? I went out on a night gravel ride last summer and found that the Cat Eye EL-400 mounted on my helmet vent worked pretty well.

    I will also say that a Cat Eye EL-500 or two will be plenty of light. That's what I use on night time gravel runs. They will burn for up to 30hrs.!
    9-1-1 street signs?

    I have an idea for markers along the way. Ever see those Halloween glow sticks? You shake them up, you bend them a bit, and off they glow for something like 8 hours. Duct tape one of those to a road sign post where a turn is and people who are directionally challenged such as myself will thank you. I tend to put my head down and just ride, zoning out for some time between thoughts. I need something to jar me into noticing what is going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    OK. How about light setup for the wee hours of the morning, and the haul to Decorah during the bitterly cold evening hours?

    This will help plan.
    Info provided by the Farmers Almanac

    SUN RISES: 6:13 AM
    SUN SETS: 8:12 PM
    TOTAL SUN LIGHT LENGTH: 13:59

    time too start eating more carrots!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    9-1-1 street signs?

    I have an idea for markers along the way. Ever see those Halloween glow sticks? You shake them up, you bend them a bit, and off they glow for something like 8 hours. Duct tape one of those to a road sign post where a turn is and people who are directionally challenged such as myself will thank you. I tend to put my head down and just ride, zoning out for some time between thoughts. I need something to jar me into noticing what is going on.
    Yeah, street signs! Every Iowa backroad has 'em. Corny names too, like "Ocean Blvd." (In land locked Iowa!)

    Better lift that head up! You've got cue sheets to read, and they correlate to the street signs along the way. Last year a couple of guys did exactly what you said you do and went off course a mile or two. That'll cost ya! You don't want to have to backtrack, especially if it's the middle of the night, and the race is all strung out so that you do not have other competitors to guide you.

    Navigation skills are a big part of what this race is about. You guys have plenty of time to practice, plan, and come up with a system that will work for you. Your cue sheets are going to be sized so that they fit in a standard map case such as the ones touring cyclists or brevet riders might use. There is an example linked on the T.I. site. The cue sheets are going to have cumulative mileage, mileage to the next directional change, and will be numbered and color coded so you can keep track of them.

    There are NO course markings put up by us. Waaay too much work! Also, we couldn't mark the course any better than our state already has, with the street signs. The only instance where we would mark the course at all is if there were a road closure between the time we last drive the course and the event date, in which case we will re-route the course using marking tape. Also, if there were any part of the course that ran off the public roads, we might have to mark those, as well. Otherwise there is no signage put up by us.

    Well, I take that back! I did put out garden gnomes last time! I wonder what it'll be this time? More gnomes? Monkeys? Hmmm.............
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    I love that cookie dough picture.
    The other photos on that site that are interesting are the 2 included below of bike set-up.
    Innnnnnnteresting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Yeah, street signs! Every Iowa backroad has 'em. Corny names too, like "Ocean Blvd." (In land locked Iowa!)

    Better lift that head up! You've got cue sheets to read, and they correlate to the street signs along the way. Last year a couple of guys did exactly what you said you do and went off course a mile or two. That'll cost ya! You don't want to have to backtrack, especially if it's the middle of the night, and the race is all strung out so that you do not have other competitors to guide you.

    Navigation skills are a big part of what this race is about. You guys have plenty of time to practice, plan, and come up with a system that will work for you. Your cue sheets are going to be sized so that they fit in a standard map case such as the ones touring cyclists or brevet riders might use. There is an example linked on the T.I. site. The cue sheets are going to have cumulative mileage, mileage to the next directional change, and will be numbered and color coded so you can keep track of them.

    There are NO course markings put up by us. Waaay too much work! Also, we couldn't mark the course any better than our state already has, with the street signs. The only instance where we would mark the course at all is if there were a road closure between the time we last drive the course and the event date, in which case we will re-route the course using marking tape. Also, if there were any part of the course that ran off the public roads, we might have to mark those, as well. Otherwise there is no signage put up by us.

    Well, I take that back! I did put out garden gnomes last time! I wonder what it'll be this time? More gnomes? Monkeys? Hmmm.............
    Fair enough. Your cue cards sound pretty well laid out. I will definitely be investing in a helmet light then to read the cue cards and try to pick out the road signs. My headlight has a pretty tight beam, so road signs are pretty much invisible with it alone.

    What is a typical leg between turns? A few miles? Tens of miles?

    Another issue that hasn't been brought up is traffic and visibility. A typical motorist is not going to expect a cyclist on the road at 2:00 am on some dirt road in the middle of nowhere. Traffic should be minimal in the dark on these small roads, but what traffic there is had better see us. Lights are definitely good, but reflective tape, reflective vests, etc, can make a bicyclist light up like a UFO on Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    I love that cookie dough picture.
    The other photos on that site that are interesting are the 2 included below of bike set-up.
    Innnnnnnteresting.

    i wouldn't mind knowing where to get one of those big triangle bags
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlahach
    Fair enough. Your cue cards sound pretty well laid out. I will definitely be investing in a helmet light then to read the cue cards and try to pick out the road signs. My headlight has a pretty tight beam, so road signs are pretty much invisible with it alone.

    What is a typical leg between turns? A few miles? Tens of miles?

    Another issue that hasn't been brought up is traffic and visibility. A typical motorist is not going to expect a cyclist on the road at 2:00 am on some dirt road in the middle of nowhere. Traffic should be minimal in the dark on these small roads, but what traffic there is had better see us. Lights are definitely good, but reflective tape, reflective vests, etc, can make a bicyclist light up like a UFO on Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

    these days you would have to try pretty hard to buy cycling clothing that DOESN'T have reflective junk all over it
    as long as my blinkie is working then i am not worried about the cars unless they are drunk and then god help all of us
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    I would be interested in finding out how to get one of those bags as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iliketoridebikes
    these days you would have to try pretty hard to buy cycling clothing that DOESN'T have reflective junk all over it
    as long as my blinkie is working then i am not worried about the cars unless they are drunk and then god help all of us

    ya, I think last year four cars past by me..in 25 hours, the scary thing was, at least two of the drivers asked if I needed a place to sleep, nice, but I'll I heard was "dueling banjo's"
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyH
    ya, I think last year four cars past by me..in 25 hours, the scary thing was, at least two of the drivers asked if I needed a place to sleep, nice, but I'll I heard was "dueling banjo's"
    While anything is possible, midwest country folk are about the most generous and nicest people you could run into. I rode with PAC Tour back in 2000 and went through Kansas. We stopped in one town for the night where the chamber of commerce threw us a big party, made us a barbeque dinner, and generally rolled out the red carpet for us. The people of the town turned out for this meal and took us on tours of their town's museum.

    I felt genuinely loved and welcomed. I am convinced that they were trying to convince people in our group to move to their town to start businesses, etc. Many of these old farming communities are dying out as agriculture becomes more corporate and automated, and I think that the towns are trying to do what they can to get people to settle.

    Point is, I would trust just about anyone in rural Iowa, Kansas, etc, to "do the right thing". The people offering you their homes for the night did so in earnest. Along with a place to stay you would have had access to their shower, to a free meal, etc. In return all they would have asked for is your company. Not exactly the way to win Trans Iowa (or even meet the time checkpoints to finish it. . .) but they opened the door for you. And think of the rate! 50% of the people you ran into opened their home to you!!

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