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    Trans Iowa V.2 Discussion

    Since there is a lot of Q & A going regarding nutrtion, bike set up, best flavor of cookie dough, etc, etc, etc for Trans-Iowa V.2 I am going to start this forum so we can have it all in one place for easy reading.

    So what was the best flavor or cookie dough?
    I say P.B.
    I bet there is an extra bit a protein in there being it's P.B.
    Right?

    Discuss.

    Those of you that have registered keep in mind that all information that is important to you will be posted on the T.I. website and sent to you via e-mail.
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    Maybe next year !

    Congrats to everyone that signed up ! I sit here sulking because I talked myself out of signing up after I talked about this race since last year. So why didn't I sign up ? I guess it's the commitment for a race that is 4-1/2 months away and if my work schedule changed
    I didn't want to take a spot from someone else.

    Thats the 1st excuse ! 2nd is using two personal days and I can use them for two different races next season.

    3rd- mentally the risk of getting burned out so early in the year !

    4th- just plain old WUSSING OUT !!!!!!!!!

    I'll be watching and learning from all the post over the next 4-1/2 months !

    good luck everyone !

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    OK, let's talk tires!

    Thanks Jeff for setting up this thread, I'm sure it'll be huge and hopefully helpful too.

    So about tires, what about'em? I'm thinking cushy but I don't want to push a really heavy slow tire for 340 miles so what is everybody thinking? I've read from 26X2.somethings to 700X35's so far for a range. I'm thinking some nearly bald 29X2.1's (WTB nanoraptors shaved down a bit) right now but those guys on cross tires sure did well last year.

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    Rubber Goodness.

    Tire choice is pretty simple. I ride a 26er, so for me the best tire choice to accept all the conditions that might come about during this epic race would be something similar to the WTB Nano's, Maxxis Larsen TT, etc, etc, etc. You need something fast, yet something that can give you hook-up if needed. Don't forget about comfort. There was a wide tire variety last year. Maybe some other can shed some light on the subject.
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    last yr, I rode 26'ers--1.8 kenda klimax lites, they worked good, no issues...this year will be different as far as bike setup goes(and tyre size)

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    Smile Cookie Dough

    While thrilled to be in this year, my worries are a bit more global than cookie dough - my question is regarding food, in general! What convience stores are open and serving pizza by the slice at 3am in the middle of no-where-ville Iowa?? Will I be riding alone and able to keep my wits about me in the wee hours of the morning? (reference Getzelman's story from the 05 edition!). Weather?!

    Yes, tire selection is an important one - light and quick... but flats can slow you down, so also beefy and strong. I think, however, that most important is having the will, discipline, tanacity to keep moving, keep rolling on even when yer tired, hungry, cold and alone.

    Thanks, Jeff and Guitar Ted for hosting this little journey across the state - I think I'm excited about this! I'm looking forward to riding with some folks I've met at other rides - Lance, Bruce, Eppen, (Dee and I are taking you down at Chequamegon this year!).

    Meanwhile, I'll be out there testing tires and cookie dough! Peace - Dave Mable

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    obsessing is a good thing

    As far as food goes I know that in the past I've finished 24 hour bike races on bk and coke before and I've ran 100 mile trail runs on redbull (15 cans at mcnaughton park) and hot dogs ,so I'm not to worried about food stuffs.I figure as long as there are places to stop and some in hand cash then I'll be alright.That being said I plan on carrying two cans of bull and protein bars with me as i go (water is far to obvious to even say I would think).I find that if I don't take in protein as I race my body gets worn down far easier than without.Now as to why this happens.....I don't know I'm a plumber.
    Tire choices will be interesting as I don't even have the rig yet and will most likely look to buy the lightest tire I can get for it.(close your ears paddy) In my 11 years of raceing bike I have only flatted two times and once was do to a rim strip not being put in.So I guess I can safely say that flats are not even on my worries list.
    What is on it is getting lost as I am primarily a ultrarunner and the courses are very well marked out and the chance of getting lost is slim.Having said that the 24 hour bike races I've done were impossible to get lost on so this will be very new to me.






    I am so freakin psyched!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Like last year, the longest you might end up going with out a pass though town might be 40-50 miles. You just have to make sure that you always have enough calories with you. Cookie dough is a great option.

    Will will keep the route planning along these same lines.

    You might be riding alone at times. Last year, there were always groups of atleast two. People rode together just to pass the time and to keep sane.

    Weather? You know what Iowa is like ini late April. It could be 20 degrees and snowing or it could be 80 degree and sunny. Be prepared for anything.

    Oh, and one last thing...
    Heck yes there will be sweet jumps. Be prepared
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    I am an ultra-event roadie (brevets mostly). My technical trail skills are zilch, which is what is so attractive to me about straight roads in rural Iowa. My one question is about tire width. I will be running no suspension (totally not needed for gravel for big hits) but am concerned about hand, groin, and foot numbing vibration.

    Wide tires would help midigate this. Narrow tires are fast.

    So the question is, what minimum width tire is enough to take the vibration out?

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    On tires and food

    I thought I'd chime in here with some thoughts fer ya'all......

    1. Tire choice is/ was a big topic for discussion. Here's what I noticed last year. Several guys showed up, ( at our suggestion) running 2.0-ish rubber. They complained because they thought the psycho-cross dudes had an advantage. Well, out of the nine that finished last year, only four of them were on psycho-cross rigs, and out of those four guys is where all the stories of physical pain, numbness, and bleeding came.........after the race was over for two weeks! This group also reported the most flats. Fast? Maybe. The other five guys on fatties were right there. Look- it's the guys with the best "motors" and toughest mindsets that will complete the course. That said, I'd be running anything over 40mm. and up to 2.1 inches. You should be good to go. Jeff's selections are excellent examples.

    2. Food in the middle of the night shouldn't be a problem. A few of the towns that this years route passes through have all night convienience stores that serve single slice pizza, burritoes, and any other form of death munchies you can think of. Pork rinds anyone?
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    Tires

    I'm with Guitar, some dude wrote a book appropriately titled... "It's Not About The Bike"

    On another note... This little race could develop quite a little community here - kinda cool!

    I guess they say that 'missery loves company'!

    Peace! Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingwedge
    could develop quite a little community here - kinda cool!
    This event has gone beyond "a little community."
    When people sit at their computer to register like it's a race all in itself
    It has a cult following. Just you wait and see at the pre-race meeting and start line.
    Thanks for represent'n we Eye-wee-gens!

    I wonder how many sweet jumps G-Ted and myself can work into the first 20 miles
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    What did most finishers from last year ride? Mtb or cross?

    This will be my first longer endurance ride. I'm looking forward to it. I've done some 12 hour events and found Hammer Nutrition Perpetuem works well. I'm also a big fan of beef jerky and corn chips. Both offer a lot of sodium. Plus they taste good. Never tried cookie dough. I may just mix up some smoothies with soy milk, peanut butter, blue berries, cranberries, bananas and peaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by <Cornbread>
    What did most finishers from last year ride? Mtb or cross?

    This will be my first longer endurance ride. I'm looking forward to it. I've done some 12 hour events and found Hammer Nutrition Perpetuem works well. I'm also a big fan of beef jerky and corn chips. Both offer a lot of sodium. Plus they taste good. Never tried cookie dough. I may just mix up some smoothies with soy milk, peanut butter, blue berries, cranberries, bananas and peaches.
    As I recall the finishers were riding as follows:

    1. Ira - Cross bike
    2. Brian - Cross bike
    3. Alex - Hardtail MTB
    4. Todd - Rigid MTB/SS
    5. Paddy - 1FG SS
    6. Brett (Me) - Spec Epic Full Boinger
    7-8. Jim and ? - Tie (Cross Bikes)
    9. Joe - Ridid MTB/SS

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    Not gonna happen for me

    I'll be bizzy helping my buddy run his bike shop while he is on his honeymoon.....

    07 I'll have to make it... I want to put togather something like this in colorado down the road.

    I really wish I could have done this race this year to use it to messure my fitness before the GDR.....

    Any good luck to everyone that well make it there.

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    how did people carry their stuff?

    So how did people carry all of their junk anyway? I saw some pics of some really full jersey pockets and camelbacks but did anybody use a <gasp> handlebar bag? or <double gasp> a rack and trunk? I'm thinking overnight it seems everybody was cold last year (at least according to the two or three writups I've read) and to be able to put on and take off a little bit of clothing might be a huge thing at 1am Saturday night.

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    I suppose an introduction is in order...

    Well, now that I'm a part of this little "community" I suppose I ought to introduce myself...

    Backtrack about two months: I'm perusing the MMBA forums when I come across a post by some Kerkove guy about some TRANS IOWA V.2 thing. Initially I ignored it - what interest could Iowa possibly hold for me? But, finding nothing else of interest, I make my way to the thread, and as I read, intrigue begins creeping in. I read on. I follow the web links.I continue reading. Hmmm...this is looking interesting - in a wacked-out, psycho kind of way - very interesting. I sleep on it...and it gnaws at me: 300+ miles in under 34 hours, across Iowa, through the night, unsupported...are they crazy? Am I crazy?? Why, yes I am!

    Fast forward to yesterday: I'm anxiously sitting at my computer at 2:00 EDT waiting impatiently for the Active.com registration window to open. It does, I do, and WHAM! What in the world have I gotten myself into?

    Anyway, I am completely and totally psyched for this event! This is my first venture into ultra-edurance events, but have no doubt that I will be there, on the starting line on April 29, as physically and psychologically prepared as possibe.

    What will I be riding? Probably my Fisher hardtail...but maybe, just maybe there's a 29er in my future (man, I want that 2006 Paragon BAD!). Tires? WTB Nanoraptors. Food? Lots. Sleep? None. Clothing? Weather-dependant, of course. Support? None (not legal!), but my wife will be there for moral support. What a trooper!

    Well, I look forward to getting to know all of you in the next 4+ months, and I'll see you in late April in western Iowa!

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    redsnakebite: You nailed it. Only four cross bikes out of nine finishers.

    fastskiguy: No handlebar bags, which surprised me, actually. Look at old photos of Tour riders and they all have the dual waterbottle cages on the handlebars. I'm talkin waaay back! Back when they all rode dirt and gravel. Think about that. Otherwise, a few guys had racks, but really, most just stuffed all they could into their jerseys, or hydration packs and did just fine. Anyway, we are doing the dropbag service, so you can split it up a little bit.

    Brian Hannon did have a couple of bottle cages mounted to each fork blade of his Redline crosser though. That was pretty unique!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastskiguy
    So how did people carry all of their junk anyway? I saw some pics of some really full jersey pockets and camelbacks but did anybody use a <gasp> handlebar bag? or <double gasp> a rack and trunk? I'm thinking overnight it seems everybody was cold last year (at least according to the two or three writups I've read) and to be able to put on and take off a little bit of clothing might be a huge thing at 1am Saturday night.

    I was right in the mix of things during this race. About 90% of the folks stuffed their hydro-packs and jersey pockets with gear, food, and mojo. Some went as far as a rear rack mounted off a seatpost. I even saw a few of the MOOTS TAILGATOR RACKS.

    As G-Ted stated, there where some interesting set-ups. I have attached a picture of Mr. Hannon from Colorado. Notice the bottles on the front fork, and the h-bar bag.

    You will want to do some product testing. Figure out your lights, you calorie needs, water needs, etc, etc, etc, etc. Racing is the easy part. Planning and training is the hard and painful part
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    redsnakebite: You nailed it. Only four cross bikes out of nine finishers.
    Or, to look at it a little differently, CX bikes were almost half the field...

    The real question is this: Do you wanna be comfy, or do you wanna go fast? Ira was not very comfy, but he was able to bask in the glow of his victory as his body healed the next few weeks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    fastskiguy: No handlebar bags, which surprised me, actually. Look at old photos of Tour riders and they all have the dual waterbottle cages on the handlebars. I'm talkin waaay back! Back when they all rode dirt and gravel. Think about that. Otherwise, a few guys had racks, but really, most just stuffed all they could into their jerseys, or hydration packs and did just fine. Anyway, we are doing the dropbag service, so you can split it up a little bit.
    Ira was a madman last year--no racks, no packs, just some crazy overstuffed jersey pockets and some borrowed wool socks pulled almost to his knees. Made me sore and cold just watching him. When asked about it, he used the old quote: Travel light and freeze at night.

    The race logistics have changed this year. Starting in the dark and (for the leaders) most likely finishing in the dark forces a bit more strategery. I will definitely be using a rear rack for gear/food carrying. No way around that. Bar bag? Probably not, but you never know...

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Brian Hannon did have a couple of bottle cages mounted to each fork blade of his Redline crosser though. That was pretty unique!
    That's the beauty of stuff like this--run what ya brung. If you come up with an idea the night before, by all means USE IT if you think it'll work.

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    fear and loathing in iowa

    this thing is really starting to pick up speed ...

    it's awsome to see all the questions beng fired off about gear, bike set-up(fast n light all the way baby!!!), and cookie dough nutrition value, etc...

    I think the most important question yet to be asked is this: How big are the drop bags???

    btw, it's a balmy -30C(without windchill) here in at the "in-laws" in N Ontario
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyH
    How big are the drop bags???
    Good question. I am working with a drop-bag sponsor at the moment. Size we are currently looking at is 21 in x 11 in...or someplace in that measurement.

    How does everyone feel about that size? I have other options out there. But this one looks the most positive.
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    Sitting here with a yard stick

    Sad but true.

    That size seems reasonable to me. I can't think of anything I would pack that wouldn't fit, though I am sure I will be in over-analysis mode after the size is officially announced playing tetris with supplies to figure out how to get the most in the space given.

    I wonder how many rolls of cookie dough will fit in that space?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    Or, to look at it a little differently, CX bikes were almost half the field...

    The real question is this: Do you wanna be comfy, or do you wanna go fast? Ira was not very comfy, but he was able to bask in the glow of his victory as his body healed the next few weeks.
    "Almost" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Ira probably would have "won" no matter what he decided on riding. Again, the motor and mind. I'm not so sure that you "win" at Trans Iowa as much as you overcome it! As far as "basking" in anything, well.......it's not le Tour by any stretch!



    Ira was a madman last year--no racks, no packs, just some crazy overstuffed jersey pockets and some borrowed wool socks pulled almost to his knees. Made me sore and cold just watching him. When asked about it, he used the old quote: Travel light and freeze at night.
    Agreed, crazy like a fox! But then again, I seem to remember someone asking for more wind!



    The race logistics have changed this year. Starting in the dark and (for the leaders) most likely finishing in the dark forces a bit more strategery. I will definitely be using a rear rack for gear/food carrying. No way around that. Bar bag? Probably not, but you never know...
    You think the leaders might finish in the dark? Whoa-ho! Somebody is thinking "fast" this year! As for the bar bag, that used to be a pretty regular item in the past for you, judging from the old photos on the 29"er board.



    That's the beauty of stuff like this--run what ya brung. If you come up with an idea the night before, by all means USE IT if you think it'll work.

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    That's one of the things I get a buzz from. Last spring, walking around the staging area, looking at all the various rigs. Can't wait to see what you guys cook up for this edition!
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    Smile About this many

    Quote Originally Posted by Endurosnob
    I wonder how many rolls of cookie dough will fit in that space?
    Oh, by my scientific calculations I would have to say...6
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    Bob!

    I KNOW - BOB! Let's see.... tent, sleeping bag, coleman stove, boom-box... oh wait, that's that other ride across the state!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    Oh, by my scientific calculations I would have to say...6
    El Jefe-

    Keep it simple--give everyone a doubled up grocery bag (you know, the little ones that we all have dozens of laying around the house right now). It's plenty big for the essentials.

    Besides, the more space you give us, the more stuff you (well, Mark) has to haul across the state, remove from the van, reinstall into the van, then haul to Decorah.

    Personally, I vote for zero resupply. But that's just me.

    Heh heh heh...

    P.S. Are you racing? Your name isn't on the roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    redsnakebite: You nailed it. Only four cross bikes out of nine finishers.

    fastskiguy: No handlebar bags, which surprised me, actually. Look at old photos of Tour riders and they all have the dual waterbottle cages on the handlebars. I'm talkin waaay back! Back when they all rode dirt and gravel. Think about that. Otherwise, a few guys had racks, but really, most just stuffed all they could into their jerseys, or hydration packs and did just fine. Anyway, we are doing the dropbag service, so you can split it up a little bit.

    Brian Hannon did have a couple of bottle cages mounted to each fork blade of his Redline crosser though. That was pretty unique!

    Hey G-Ted,

    Hanon here. I had a handlebar bag as well if memory serves...which it many times doesn't. Case in point; After reminding myself all week that i needed to register last Saturday....I spaced it off!!! Jeez, what an IDIOT! Well, now I'm on the waiting list and will wait all winter if need be Because you can be damn sure I want to get back to Beautiful Iowa again this April.

    Thanks to you and Jeff for all your work putting V.2 together. Hope to see you in Hawarden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    I was right in the mix of things during this race. About 90% of the folks stuffed their hydro-packs and jersey pockets with gear, food, and mojo. Some went as far as a rear rack mounted off a seatpost. I even saw a few of the MOOTS TAILGATOR RACKS.

    As G-Ted stated, there where some interesting set-ups. I have attached a picture of Mr. Hannon from Colorado. Notice the bottles on the front fork, and the h-bar bag.

    You will want to do some product testing. Figure out your lights, you calorie needs, water needs, etc, etc, etc, etc. Racing is the easy part. Planning and training is the hard and painful part

    OK, I guess I did have a handlebar bag and didn't just imagine it. I have to say, it's about the easiest way to reach for food/gel.

    If I get to enter this event (see above) I'll need to decide what bike to use. Last year the cross bike with the 42mm Maxxis wormdrives worked really well...except for the two or three flats I had!! Ouch! Nothing like hammering solo across the 5 min gap to get back to Ira...twice. The thing is, he was only running 28 or 30mm Schwalbe Marathons. I don't know if that says alot for those tires or just that i had some tough luck. I'm tempted to go narrower this year (once again assuming that someone bails and i can take their spot) but Jeff and G-Ted are hinting heavily that that might not be wise.

    Last year i actually came to Hawarden with two complete bikes. The Redline cx bike with 42mm tires was to be used if the weather looked like it would remain dry. My other bike was a titanium Rewel purposefully built around a Rohloff Speedhub. This was to be used with Kenda Klimax lite tires if the weather was to be wet and nasty. I also used a Moots Tailgator and a frame bag on the cross rig. This was really too much carrying capacity but an empty bag weights almost nothing so no big deal.

    Anyway, keep the ideas coming. And the hints. Hint hint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    "Almost" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Ira probably would have "won" no matter what he decided on riding. Again, the motor and mind. I'm not so sure that you "win" at Trans Iowa as much as you overcome it! As far as "basking" in anything, well.......it's not le Tour by any stretch!
    Agreed--Ira was driven. That's what it takes.


    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Agreed, crazy like a fox! But then again, I seem to remember someone asking for more wind!
    It was obvious that most folks there hadn't prepared enough. I was hoping that the wind would come up a notch or two before sunset, to get them to crack sooner. No such luck with the wind, and me and my achilles were the only ones crackin'


    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    You think the leaders might finish in the dark? Whoa-ho! Somebody is thinking "fast" this year!
    Yes. It's all supposition based on weather, but good weather should mean a pre-dawn finish.


    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    As for the bar bag, that used to be a pretty regular item in the past for you, judging from the old photos on the 29"er board.
    I can't remember even one pic with a bar bag (discounting AK, but we have so much crap strapped to our rigs up there it's hard to see where the bike is sometimes...). But if you say so...


    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    That's one of the things I get a buzz from. Last spring, walking around the staging area, looking at all the various rigs. Can't wait to see what you guys cook up for this edition!
    Just finished lacing my front wheel for this race (and many others). On my way back out to the stand to start on the rear...

    MC

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    A throwdown?

    No Sag?

    I likes what I hear!

    as a fellow wheelbuilder, I'd love to hear more about your wheelbuild(s) Mike...glad you're coming back to Iowa as well!

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    agreed

    word to that.
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    Brian H.: Good to hear from ya! I'm sorry you didn't get on the roster. Thanks to Jeff's photo archive's, I see that you actually did have a pretty smart set-up there. Handle bar bags are cool!

    M.C.: I'll be interested to see what you bring. Always a pleasure to learn from a master!

    Paddy H.: I'm a wheelbuilder too. I would also be interested in what M.C. has been working on. I'm probably not in the league of Mike, but I'd have to say that I've had pretty good sucess at building reasonably strong "traditional" set-ups. You know, 32 hole, double butted, 3-cross, with brass nips. Nothing exotic here! Hmm......that sounds like a perfect Trans Iowa build!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    Are you racing? Your name isn't on the roster.
    I will be there and riding along. Other wise I might help G-Ted out if we can't get some volunteer help. I am planning though racing/riding along to Decorah. Of course I will not be counted in the final results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    Keep it simple--give everyone a doubled up grocery bag (you know, the little ones that we all have dozens of laying around the house right now). It's plenty big for the essentials.
    We have lots of size options out there for stuff sacks. I could get stuff sacks the size of a grocery sack.

    ... or I could run down to the local sushi bar and grab 70 take out bags for everyone to stuff their goodies into

    G-Ted and myself have discussed bag size and the fact of transporting 70 of those things to Algona...then to Decorah. I am interested as to what everyone thinks about size. I just want to make sure that we end up getting a bag way smaller than everyone suggests

    Stuff Sack info will be coming soon....hopefully.
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    Brian - I hope you get a spot. I would hope being a finisher last year would get you moved towards top of "waiting list"

    Mike - Glad to see you'll be back for more Iowa fun. See you in April. I am expecting ugly weather...snow/sleet, cold, east wind, soft/muddy gravel, etc. Despite what everyone says about last year, we were LUCKY as far as weather and road conditions.

    Paddy - What gear are you running on your fixie?

    Joe - What gear are you running on your SS? Are you running 29" wheels?

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    ... and if we just ... Don't sweat the size.

    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    We have lots of size options out there for stuff sacks. I could get stuff sacks the size of a grocery sack.

    I am interested as to what everyone thinks about size. I just want to make sure that we end up getting a bag way smaller than everyone suggests
    I'm sure what ever size you choose, we can find a way to fill them, (spare parts, spare wheels....spare BIKES! ). SO I'd keep 'em small as MikeSee said. Maybe a change of clothes should it be raining or "yikes" if my chamois is red. I'd imagine most will put some lights and/or batteries in there for the last night of riding, so the things could get heavy. I'm figurin' a small light for the first pre-dawn, then probably something a bit more sustantial to get through the next night...
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    No Sag would be choice, but I realize you've already billed it a certain way and may want to stick with that.

    Jeff, I am sure that the Lincoln crew will have a car(s) going that could help transport gear bags to Algona if needed. Just let me know and I am sure we can work something out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    G-Ted and myself have discussed bag size and the fact of transporting 70 of those things to Algona...then to Decorah. I am interested as to what everyone thinks about size. I just want to make sure that we end up getting a bag way smaller than everyone suggests
    Okay, forget what I said about simple. You actually need to use a complex formula to figure this out:

    1) Set up a poll and have everyone give their preferred dimensions for the stuff sack.
    2) Average the numbers to get a base.
    3) Take that average and divide it by 3.
    4) Take that number (1/3 of the average) and cut it in half.

    What do you get? Hopefully something slightly smaller than a thimble...

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    gear size.

    Brett:

    not sure about my gear size yet, most likely smaller than my 44x16 of last yr, that said my wheels will be bigger this yr.

    as for weather last year, was it windy? I don't recall.


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    Prefer no sag

    I agree that no sag would be my choice as well. It would foster more of a self-sustaining ideal. Otherwise people may try to get by with no lights or nearly no lights on the front end of the ride, etc. Why carry the extra weight if you can just mail it ahead and slap it on at the last minute?

    With brevets you need to go at least 600K before you can expect any baggage support. In brevets of 600K or more it is expected that you sleep, though. The bag is intended to be for a spare set of clothes for after you wake up. Without sleep, I see no reason for sag whatsoever.

    Having said that, if bags are provided I will use them. No sense putting myself at any more of a disadvantage. That way I can ship ahead <i>my</i> secret endurance food: Spagghettios eaten cold from the can. Sodium and carbohydrates in an easy to digest format. Doesn't do too well in a jersey pocket, but if you have 5 minutes to sit and scarf down a can or two you are set.

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    junk?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fastskiguy
    So how did people carry all of their junk anyway? I saw some pics of some really full jersey pockets and camelbacks but did anybody use a <gasp> handlebar bag? or <double gasp> a rack and trunk? I'm thinking overnight it seems everybody was cold last year (at least according to the two or three writups I've read) and to be able to put on and take off a little bit of clothing might be a huge thing at 1am Saturday night.

    I kept my junk in my shorts, where it belonged. hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha..........sorry.

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    Stuff Sack

    Hey, I'm all for a drop bag - I figure we gotta be in Algona by 6pm, so we oughta be there a bit before dinner, right? I'm thinkin' if one of us throws in a Weber, another the charcoal, then the rest of us will have room for beer, steaks, taters and have us a great big ol' shindig! The rules said we have to check IN to Algona by 6, nuthin about when we gots to leave!!! If ol' Guitar and Jeff have folks in by pre-dawn... then I say we have plenty of time!

    Enough typing, I gotta get out and ride!

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    Here's a question...

    Here is a question that was just brought up at work...

    What time to you think riders will start rolling into the checkpoint in Algona?

    If I recall, I believe the distance from Hawarden to Algona this year is right around 140 miles. G-Ted can confirm that. Keep in mind wind, temp., moisture content of Iowa's lovely gravel roads, B-Road carnage, etc, etc, etc.

    So what you think?

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    big wheels rule the roost

    Man you kids are going savage on this thread ,at this pace I'll have to quit my job just to keep up on the info.Good stuff though.
    As for the posts on bike types I think it's very clear that "light is right" and big wheels are the most efficient.Now having said that the course will be full on mtb trails.Now keeping that in mind I have seen some very talented (much more so than me) riders (steve H )locally ride some trails "biggie" style which were very very advanced.
    I'll try and keep my mind open though as far as tire width.
    My opionion on drop bags is ........none.It's amazing and a big help as it is to have access to stores along the way I think.
    But then again I am a rookie so what do I know.




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    I just got this off an ultrarunning group I'm part of..................................crazy weird ****.bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingwedge
    I'm with Guitar, some dude wrote a book appropriately titled... "It's Not About The Bike"
    Just caught this. I find it funny (no offense to the original poster) that this is brought up so often, when His Lanceness and his sponsors spent (literally) millions of dollars, every year, to improve said bike.

    And that cat still wouldn't finish TI...

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    Bamboozled

    [QUOTE=mikesee]Just caught this. I find it funny (no offense to the original poster) that this is brought up so often, when His Lanceness and his sponsors spent (literally) millions of dollars, every year, to improve said bike.

    I am the original poster (boy!) and agree with you on the irony of it all... that being said.... how many races you been in and been bamboozled by some dude in cut-offs on a 15 yr old schwinn with a rear rack? I'm not saying that ever happend to me, mind you! Hey, he didn't even SHAVE HIS LEGS (gasping of crowd)!!!

    OK, now that I brung it up... 337 miles, meby 14 or 15mph ave pace.... how much time will shaving one's legs save on this thing ....(remembering of course, that it's in April and there is a very low probability of any exposed skin...) Just asking here!

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    high noon!

    yeah, the fast guys will be there at about noon. For some of us it'll be.....when is that cutoff anyway?

    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    Here is a question that was just brought up at work...

    What time to you think riders will start rolling into the checkpoint in Algona?

    If I recall, I believe the distance from Hawarden to Algona this year is right around 140 miles. G-Ted can confirm that. Keep in mind wind, temp., moisture content of Iowa's lovely gravel roads, B-Road carnage, etc, etc, etc.

    So what you think?

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