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    Thanks Cowan

    If I come then it will be with a friend and we would be riding fully rigid singlespeed steel bikes ... extra low maintenance and ultra reliable

    What airport would I need to fly to and how easy is it to get back from finish ??
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    This is a great thread.

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    Hi Paul, I agree
    Unfortunately the registration is over.

    But I belive if you register and write an request email, you will have a chance to start as VIP or so.
    Jan Kopka does it so when foregin rider applies. Worth the try.

    From finish it is best to take train to Praha and take a plane home.
    How to get to the start? Well some racers take train from Praha.
    You could also fly to Bratislava and take a train from there. But I am not an expert and there could be an better option.

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    Race Across America is a brutal race.
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    You mean RAAM?
    Yes, it is a different cup of tea. You are absolutely dependent on your support team.

    On the other hand - 1000miles in terrain, all alone.. There are not many races where any kind of support is excluded.
    RAAM distance: 4800km of tarmac, elevation: 32km, support: absolutly necessary - everything - even feeding, time limit: 12 days
    1000miles adventure 2012: 1730km mostly terrain, elevation: 35km, support: 0, time limit: none (best did it in 8 resp. 9 days)

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    Yaw, RAAM is what I meant to say. Guys break down with all kinds of ailments including kidney failure, pneumonia, etc. Guys seems to die from getting hit from cars. It would be a great accomplishment if you have the ability to do it.

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    RAAM is really beyond my grasp. Racers sometimes do not know even where and who they are. It is like riding unconscious. Really extreme in this way.

    On 1000miles you MUST stay conscious, or you get hurt or die. You can rely only on yourself.

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    RAAM does seem dangerous! I'm probably not single minded enough to stay on a road bike over 18 hours a day for 12 days. I am sure at some point I would say enough and quit. I just know me and I would....

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    For a "short" race, the old Ouachita 80 mile course (with the two big climbs/descents put at the end of the course instead of the beginning, as they now do on the 60 miler) seemed pretty nasty. Plus, it's always in early April.

    TI can be beyond painful, depending on the weather.

    VT125 sounds painful and amazing at the same time

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    ABSA Cape Epic

    The ultimate in XC events... Cape Epic. This must be the benchmark for all stage races.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowan View Post
    RAAM is really beyond my grasp. Racers sometimes do not know even where and who they are. It is like riding unconscious. Really extreme in this way.

    On 1000miles you MUST stay conscious, or you get hurt or die. You can rely only on yourself.
    I try to be open minded about things, each to his own and all that.For example, I have no interest in ultra running, but respect that people do enjoy it.

    I have to say though, that I think RAAM is kind of dumb. I watched a documentary on it once, after i felt it was the worst endurance I've ever heard of.

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    Yaw, just grinding away on a road bike would melt my brain down very quickly.

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    Interesting topic - like the breakdown of different style races.

    FWIW 70 miles on > 95% single track I had never ridden (PCPT) seemed harder to me than Puff 100 climb and descend format (although the 2012 version a muddy sufferfest but that's beside the point). What's hard for one person, can be right in another's wheelhouse (more technical/DH versus grinding out miles).

    IMHO the question is what's very hard but still maintains the reasons I love to ride my bike. So far Puff 100, PCPT fit the bill, BC bike and Transrockies are calling.
    Go that way really fast......if anything gets in your way turn.

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    A Couple More For Thought

    Just a couple more to think about (not that I have ever done them/could do them)

    Iron Bike bills itself as the hardest and from what I've seen it looks like it is pretty damn tough. I posted up some video and some links on my work blog if you want to check it out HERE.

    The now defunct Montezuma's Revenge ranked up there for sure too. No one ever actually finished the entire proposed route in the time limit. Although Josh Tostado put in one of the longest attempts during his 2005 win by racing for 156 miles and climbing 32,350 feet in 24 hours.

    Also to reiterate what some previous posters said Yak Attack ranks up there (no pun intended) for sure. That is one sick HIGH elevation race.

    From what I have covered for XXC Magazine and xxcmag.com, some of the hardest races out there now seem to be the self supported ITTs for sure. Colorado Trail Race, Arizona Trail Race, the Grand Loop, Vapor Trail, Stagecoach 400, etc., Great races that are super hard and free. No prizes, no free t shirts, etc., but some BIG ass routes that can be conquered by racers (not me, ha!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingshredd View Post
    For its 56 miles and 11000 ft of climbing I vote Vision Quest in Southern California, happens each spring in the Cleveland national forest!


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    For a one-day event, the 15-hour Patapsco 100 is looking to be brutal (~5,500 ft. of climb over a 33 mile loop x 3). The Mid Atlantic heat in July will take the starch out of some for sure and with that in mind, I'd say it will be tougher than the SM 100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej View Post
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    I have raced p2p, vision quest, Breck epic, 12 hr lap... These are a cake walk compared to unsupported ultras. The stagecoach 400 was very difficult as it is a midrange (relative to CTR) so you are putting yourself into the red but still have a long way to go with variables. In a 24 hr lap race, you can change clothes, have a meal, fix bike, warm up, cool down or even quit. In the ultra ITTs at times you keep riding, moving or perish. There are no course markers which is another physical/mental drain. Things can interesting in the darkness when your Garmin dies and no cell reception in middle of nowhere.

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    The Oh Meu Deus (OMD) is coming up... August 9-11... great time to visit Portugal!

    I'd be happy to host a few people if anyone is making it over.

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    Absa Cape- epic 15000 meters of climbing

    800 kilometers, 100 degree temps all done in 8 days. The fastest mtb guys did it in 30 hrs. Thats 2 weeks of the Tour of France.
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    I still dream about a 150 mile MTB race with a course similar to the Wilderness 101 or SM100. Would have to set qualifications for entry, like finishing the SM101 in under 9:30 or the W101 in under 9:00 within the last year. Cut off times would be harsh and inflexible. Hold it on June 21st for the most daylight. Superfast people would finish in ~11 hours so normal fast and not doped would be finishing in ~ 13 hours.

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    This is how I feel about endurance races. If I want to walk my bike I'll just take up mountaineering and carry it with me.
    When I think about endurance racing that is fun I think of a few things:

    It should be hard, training and being in good shape should be the minimum just to finish.
    It shouldn't kill you, you should be able to complete it tired, sore, but with a feeling of accomplishment. Of course fitness determines a lot of this, but I'm talking about someone in good shape already.
    It should be worthy of a mountain bike, not a road race, but it shouldn't be un-rideable. Anyone can make a course so tough that most people can't complete it, the challenge is to make it a challenge and fun imho.

    I hope to sign up for the Breck. 100 this year depending on my work schedule. It looks like a challenge for me, I feel a little bit apprehensive contemplating it, which is good I think.



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    People used to ask me why I didn't ever to Montezuma's Revenge. (or some reason I can't understand they thought it was right up my alley ) My reply was "because I have no desire to hump my bike over the top of Greys Peak in the middle of the night".

    I'm the course designer of the Breck 100 and my philosophy has always been a little hike a bike is fine but keep it to not much more than 45 min or so. I think most people don't mind some walking, but most prefer to suffer while pedaling, not walking. When Thane changed loop 1 of the B100 to go up Miners Creek to the crest of the Ten Mile one year, the vast majority of the racers didn't like it because it added so much hike a bike. Yes, it was harder, but that didn't necessarily add any enjoyment to the loop so Thane changed it back to the original layout the next year.

    Of course everyone's different with what they like and want. Pick your poison, there are plenty of sufferfests out there to choose from.

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    Vapor trail 125 sounds like the toughest 1 day on paper. 125 miles, 20k of climbing, all at altitude and a significant amount of singletrack. It starts at 10pm and finishers finish the next afeternoon.

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    Breck 100 is crazy tough....at least for me. I think about half the guys in my class DNF'ed. I'm not sure if I would even consider doing the Vapor Trail. That ride sounds crazy for a one day ride.
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    OMD in Portugal kicks off tonight. Only 10 doing it... the 66h cut-off for 300 miles will be brutal considering that temps are predicted in the 100s.

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    For some East Coast Love...Patapsco 100. 85% singletrack, 15k of climbing, some hike-a-bike. Almost 90% DNF's this year (100 starters)...the first year. I made two laps (66 miles) and it was tough. I'll be back next year.

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    I challenge everyone here to do Iron Bike before giving an answer to this thread. I can't see how any mtb event could be tougher. The stats don't do it justice but an average day out of the eight days would have about 4500 meters of climbing over about 80km, which is around 8-11 hours every day for most riders. Oh, and you'll spend a few hours every day doing hike a bike too.
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    Love those Patapsco trails! Used to live in Columbia, MD... you're fortunate to have such great singeltrack.

    DNF % is another way to look at it, I suppose. 100 miles on those super-twisted, rooty, slimy East Coast trails is no joke. Your 66 earns you a trip to the Wharf Rat.

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    I rode the A-strecke (211, 7050 meter climbing) of the Salzkammergut Trophy this year. I needed 15 hours to complete the race. It is a very tough race for sure but much is depending on the circumstance you have during the race. This year it was almost perfect and that made it a relative easy race.

    Most difficult race has to be the Ironbike in Italy. You can read a nice race report here from Matt Page who finished fifth : Iron Bike 2013 - Round-up & Photos - A Cycling

    In totally he needed 50 hours to ride/walk the 620 km and climb 29.000 meters.

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    Maah Daah Hey 100
    minimal aid, extreme temperatures (100+ deg this year), and unforgiving terrain

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    Quote Originally Posted by jumpman View Post
    Maah Daah Hey 100
    minimal aid, extreme temperatures (100+ deg this year), and unforgiving terrain

    That's on my list....


    I heard its an amazing experience.
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    OMD for 2014 is not on the calendar yet, but won't disappoint.
    We'd like to get more foreigners in the mix.
    Portugal in the summer should be an easy sell.

    Part 1 of my race report linked below... Disclaimer: I'm a total hack at blogging and never found myself "in contention"
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    Re: Toughest Endurance Race

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    Maah Daah Hey 100
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    +1
    I think one would be hard pressed to find a tougher race than this. People look at the elevation profile and think "meh, that doesn't look so bad" and "its north dakota, how hot can it be?" But in reality, its absolutely brutal. I did a section of it last summer in temps in the 70s, and it was much more difficult than I anticipated. Couldn't imagine doing the 100 in 90+ degree heat.....as we say up north.....UFF DA!!

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    Try this: Get Lost!! Running, Racing this year. It will be 40 hours in two stages in Henry Coe park, night and day. Since this is a rogaine (collect control points in any order), you can go as far or as little as you can. Oh, and you need to find your own way and plan the route. Not the longest of the toughest, but the format makes it more accessible to normal people. Solo, or teams up to five..

    Henry Coe park means a LOT of climbing. And a lot of nice trails as well.

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    Has anyone done the Tahoe Sierra 100? I complete the WS100 running race years ago and would love to do it on a MTB before I go underground.

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    La ruta or cape epic.Ithink so..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8iking VIIking View Post
    +1
    I think one would be hard pressed to find a tougher race than this. People look at the elevation profile and think "meh, that doesn't look so bad" and "its north dakota, how hot can it be?" But in reality, its absolutely brutal. I did a section of it last summer in temps in the 70s, and it was much more difficult than I anticipated. Couldn't imagine doing the 100 in 90+ degree heat.....as we say up north.....UFF DA!!

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    Vapor 125 is clearly tougher. Longer, steeper, more absolute climbing, and it doesn't drop below 9k

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    Cape Epic and Israel Epic.

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    I did in 2012 in just under 13 hours. Tinker raced too and finished in 9:42 to give you some perspective. Lots of single track and fire road, a little pavement. Lots of hiking. New course for this year. Northlanderevents.com. I'm considering doing it but not sure just yet with all the family stuff going on between now and August 15.

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    Oldie but goodie thread! We should probably separate all-day races and multi-day stage races.

    I would have to vote for the Tour Divide for toughest stage race - no one has mentioned an actual MTB race with more mileage or elevation yet. It goes from Banff, Canada to the US/Mexico border, no support allowed. 2,745 miles and 200,000 feet of climbing, mostly high mountain passes in the Rockies. RAAM is insane, but the racers all have a whole crew following them - doctors, massage therapists, coaches, moral support, people to manage your nutrition, navigate, shine headlights in your path at night etc. Interesting book "Hell on two wheels" chronicling the lives of several racers doing RAAM one year (I think, 2009). On the Tour Divide, you have to navigate yourself, feed yourself, carry all of your water, tools and food, tent, sleeping bag, clothes, repair your bike yourself, charge your own lights, set up your tent or bivvy at night, manage your own pacing and race, sometimes dig your own toilet pit, run from grizzlies, etc. If you crash out in the middle of nowhere, there is no one there to give you first aid or take you to the hospital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shredchic View Post
    Oldie but goodie thread! We should probably separate all-day races and multi-day stage races.

    I would have to vote for the Tour Divide for toughest stage race - no one has mentioned an actual MTB race with more mileage or elevation yet. It goes from Banff, Canada to the US/Mexico border, no support allowed. 2,745 miles and 200,000 feet of climbing, mostly high mountain passes in the Rockies. RAAM is insane, but the racers all have a whole crew following them - doctors, massage therapists, coaches, moral support, people to manage your nutrition, navigate, shine headlights in your path at night etc. Interesting book "Hell on two wheels" chronicling the lives of several racers doing RAAM one year (I think, 2009). On the Tour Divide, you have to navigate yourself, feed yourself, carry all of your water, tools and food, tent, sleeping bag, clothes, repair your bike yourself, charge your own lights, set up your tent or bivvy at night, manage your own pacing and race, sometimes dig your own toilet pit, run from grizzlies, etc. If you crash out in the middle of nowhere, there is no one there to give you first aid or take you to the hospital.

    Fun stuff.
    Tour Divide isn't a stage race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Tour Divide isn't a stage race.
    Sorry, I was confusing a stage race with a race completed over multiple days/weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewh8877 View Post
    One day race - Strathpuffer 24hr. Scotland, just north of Inverness, first weekend of January. It's dark for about 19hrs and usually snowing, quite a lot. You have to be a special kind of stupid to try that...
    I'm that special type of stupid and on a rigid singlespeed.

    I don't think it can be compared to one of the USA long distance epics, it's a different sort of beast. However in 24 hour circles it's held in high esteem, and solo positions sell out in under 2 minutes when it opens for entries.

    The race depends on the weather. It's been a bit soft lately IMO, but it's been run on blizzard conditions and 80mph winds. Other times almost the entire course was sheet ice, and that was before we could get studded tyres.

    As far as 24 hour races I've ridden, it's harder than the national 24 hour solo championships I've ridden - I also did the world 24 hours solo last year, and it's tougher than that IMO.

    It's at its worst when the weather is "warm", ie sleet. It's really difficult to keep any heat in your body because there's usually wind too, and the mud become epic - I've seen an entire bike get submerged when the rider fell off on the wrong line.

    It is on the bucket list of just about every 24 hour racer in this country, and the dread list of support crew because it is truly miserable for them. It's not in a trail centre, so there's no provided facilities or shelter other than the event marquee. I do it unsupported for this reason, just leave a pile of gear and food beside the track and just try to survive.

    It is a notorious component wrecker. It's not unknown to get through several sets of brake pads - granite mud is abrasive - and some folk end up having to replace their entire drivetrain midrace.

    Edit: just to clarify - all races are tough, because even if it's a flat loop you drive your body too hard, it's the conditions this one is run in that make it special. For example, a midsummer 12 hour race used to be run on the same loop as the StrathPuffer, and in the 12 hour I used to do as many laps in the 12 hours as I could do in the 24 hour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Tour Divide isn't a stage race.
    This. And, it's done on dirt roads, and frequently won on drop bars and full rigid bikes with ~slick tires . Basically glorified road bikes.

    It is an incredibly hard race, no doubt. But it is not mountain biking.

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    The absolute toughest endurance race is always the last endurance race you did

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    This. And, it's done on dirt roads, and frequently won on drop bars and full rigid bikes with ~slick tires . Basically glorified road bikes.

    It is an incredibly hard race, no doubt. But it is not mountain biking.
    It's a mixed terrain route, basically. But what race of that length is 100% singletrack anyway? Not even the PCT is 100% ST.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shredchic View Post
    It's a mixed terrain route, basically. But what race of that length is 100% singletrack anyway? Not even the PCT is 100% ST.


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    The divide has 0% singletrack, and extremely limited trail of any sort. It is a dirt road route/race. Nothing at all wrong with that--as evidenced by the sheer volumes of people interested in or out actually riding/racing it.

    It's just not accurate to call it mountain biking, and as such it shouldn't be considered when discussing the toughest mountain bike races.

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    It's certainly more mountain biking-specific than RAAM, which was also mentioned here, and the reason I posted in the first place.


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